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Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:15PM (#24412698)
Have small elementary age kids. It’s rough. 8-10 interruptions the first couple hours of work. Then meltdown over being hungry.

Then afternoon interruptions because they are bored. Lots of crappy reasons, but also because they want me to spend time with them.

Also dealing with my own chronic illness. I was managing to cope/hide before Covid.

Between it all is a sense of guilt of not getting enough done for work and not supporting kids enough.

Other day I got a note under the door asking if I would draw a cat. Man talk about breaking heart.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by bladegash on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @08:16PM (#24415207)
Single dad to a 4 and 7 year old, so I feel you man. In addition to the things you mentioned, the extra messes to clean, dishes to do, trash to take out, cooking, etc. can become really overwhelming.

Between trying to juggle it all, not only feel like I’m letting down my work, but my kids as well. They don’t understand why I can’t spend as much time with them while I’m working, nor is it their fault that I’m so much more tired during the times when I would have spent time with them previously.

You aren’t alone man and we’re all doing the best we can with a really tough situation. Try to be as kind to yourself as possible during all this and don’t be afraid to ask find solutions that ease some of the burden.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by QuercusMax on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:31PM (#24412951)
It's not much better with older kids either; I have 3 teens with mental health issues (depression/anxiety/migraines/ADHD) which have gotten worse with 6 months sheltering-in-place.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:00PM (#24413307)
Me and kids have adhd and migraines.

Migraines for them have improved greatly since they are away from harsh lighting.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by seattletech on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:50PM (#24413908)
Yeah. Dealing with a teen right now who feels completely isolated. Hanging in there.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by mac1175 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:14AM (#24421923)
I have a tween with ADHD, dyslexia, and anxiety. I spend a lot of check in times with her because last school year's remote learning was rough.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:49PM (#24413894)
{{QuercusMax}}

Know your pain. Hang in there. You're doing good work.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by codemac on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:19PM (#24412778)
That sounds incredibly difficult. I hope you find ways to cope. I hope you get support from your company, or more than you are getting now.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:31PM (#24412960)
On Job #3 since being injured.

Chronic conditions ebb and flow, sometimes I’m a great employee and sometimes I’m horrible. Hell sometimes I can’t even see the computer.

Turns out people/companies get tired of it after awhile. So limiting meetings and working solo when I can on large tricky projects is how I’m rolling.

I can solve stuff most can’t. I just need a lot of time to do it.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by throw554324 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:40AM (#24417964)
Taking care of elderly parents can be equally rough.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by eyesbear on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:20PM (#24412781)
Did your kid like the cat you drew?
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:58PM (#24413270)
Cat in question https://ibb.co/ZVfjzB3
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by klmadfejno on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:50PM (#24414998)
This cat is so high quality that it changes my reaction of the situation from empathetic and concerned to optimistic and impressed. I think there is nothing heartbreaking about your situation if you're dropping cats of this caliber to anonymous door notes.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by silasdavis on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:53AM (#24418038)
Agreed no-one who can draw this level of cat deserves our sympathy.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by zrail on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @07:39PM (#24414920)
Excellent cat A++++++++ would pet. Agree with sibling, this is the only good subthread in this trash fire.
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by rdtwo on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:44PM (#24414478)
Cat made my day the rest of this thread is a dumpster fire
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by _coveredInBees on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @10:24PM (#24416191)
Couldn't agree more with you. It's been pretty eye opening to me just how toxic the general dude-bro workaholic culture in Silicon Valley / tech is. There is just astounding levels of lack of empathy amongst so many commenters here.

So glad I never moved to the West coast when I had the chance. Instead I get to live in a nice spacious house with a half-acre lot, a fenced in yard to enjoy with my kids and dog, and work at a great small-business/startup in ML with great colleagues, excellent work-life balance, and the main company motto being - Don't hire assholes, and don't work for assholes. It's been working fantastic for several years now!

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nazgulsenpai on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:11PM (#24413431)
Hey, that's pretty good!
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:15PM (#24414197)
Thanks!
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by nick_ on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @10:14AM (#24421177)
When did HN start pulling in comment threads from reddit? ;)
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by treeman79 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @04:27PM (#24412884)
Very much
Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by pnw_hazor on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @05:33PM (#24413718)
Thanks for sharing the cat sketch bit. It reminded me of some great times.

I am a recent empty nester. I don't like it much.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:00PM (#24414031)
Move to an area where you can afford a house on one income or two half incomes and stop working so much. If you want to raise a family, raise one. That's your choice.

If you want other people to subsidize your productivity and/or income so you can live beyond your means in an area where you can't afford to raise a family, then that's a big ask.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by woah on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:12PM (#24414164)
We all subsidize those who live in rural and suburban areas, whether through direct subsidies for highways and internet access, or hidden subsidies like their increased impact on global warming because of all their driving.

It's better for the planet and better for people to live in urban areas, and the only reason that rural areas are cheaper is that they don't have to deal with the shortage of housing caused by urban zoning restrictions.

We all suffer from long time urban homeowners who won't allow increased density so that they can leach off everyone else's economic productivity. It's time for permissive nationwide by-right zoning standards.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by wrkronmiller on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @06:21PM (#24414254)
This is a bad take.

COVID is an exceptional and temporary situation.

Everyone has highs and lows (great successes, terrible personal problems/tragedies/etc...) throughout their careers. The only difference between this circumstance and any other is that it's impacting many people at once.

If, for example, you got COVID and were put on a ventilator for a month, how would you react to finding out that you had lost your job? Would you want to take it on the chin and down-size, or would you be upset that your employer didn't show the basic decency to (at a bare minimum) re-hire you once you were recovered?

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by avh02 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @08:06AM (#24420096)
I'm just sad you think there's decency in being rehired in a situation like that, you shouldn't even be fired to start with!

Times like this I'm glad I didn't pick the US as a place to live.

Re:Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees du... by ineedasername on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @11:10AM (#24421883)
First, rather than look at these necessary accomodations as something workers shouldn't get, you should look at it as a very useful bit of flexibility that all workers should receive.

You are thinking about this from a single perspective, but it is a massively complicated & interconnected issue.

For one other perspective, consider what would happen is companies didn't do what you call "subsidizing". Effected employees can't then keep their job, they have to take leave or find another job all together. That's bad for the company which loses experienced employees and must now pay to identify, recruit, and train a new person, who doesn't know as much about how things run in that business. That person is going to be much less efficient for 6-months to 1-year before they are completely comfortable. You are then subsidizing them instead.

Or consider a broader economic perspective: Let's imagine companies say they won't subsidize like this and impacted people have to take a 10% pay cut. Over 60% of the workforce in the US is white collar, jobs more likely to be WFH possible. That works out to about 79,000,000 workers. Average salary for White Collar jobs is $60,000. Let's say 1/3 need to work from home for family reasons, and they all take a 10% pay cut. That means the economy loses $158 Billion dollars. That is nearly 1% of our GDP, just in that one move, and it doesn't end there: Those people cut back spending. Areas heavy with such workers, like major cities, SV, etc., suddenly have a huge % of their customer base that has to cut back spending. Businesses like restaurants etc., already hurting, take another hit because 1/3 of 60% of all workers (works out to about 18% of the total workforce) now has to cut back discretionary spending. Even if that accounts for only half their 10% pay cut, that's equivalent to almost a 10% reduction in customer base.

Or consider it from a healthcare standpoint: Putting additional stress on this portion of the workforce will have significantly higher stress if "unsubsidized". That translates to more mental health problems, and expensive health care. Some of these workers may lose their insurance if they drop to part-time work, putting an even high burden on the the healthcare system.

Small things can have massive ripple effects. Saying "It's not fair!" is mostly not a helpful guide to resolving complex issues. Right now solutions are needed to keep society running while we get out of this crisis. Approaching it from a narrow sense of fairness is short sited. It won't be fair to the local shops that lose another chunk of their business. It won't be fair to other workers who have to pickup the slack left by a lost employees. If you're going to bring "fair" into things, you can't cherry pick only the one thing. That is one-dimensional thinking. You need to think multi dimensional. You need to consider second and third order effects.