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Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by krick on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:35PM (#24296979)
It's funny how your comment immediately makes me want to buy it, because the description on the site with all these silly photos and such for some reason got me thinking like "looks kinda nice, but since it's obviously something very Apple-like, it will be as restrictive as it gets, I won't be able to use it without some obligatory shitty web-account and I probably even won't be able to read *.cbz comics on it, so... nah, no way I'm paying €400 for it, and it's not really worth to spend more time looking into it".

Now I'm not sure what effect this site has on the average customer, and if making it more selling for me would make it less selling for them, but they actually lost me, and after reading your comment I'm seriously likely to pre-order. And it's not about your positive evaluation, of course. So I've got a feeling all these marketing people do advertising wrong somehow.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by capableweb on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:37PM (#24297016)
Same here last time ReMarkable came up. Saw the marketing page and really liked the hardware and expected it to be locked down, so moved on to reading the comments. Bunch of comments describing how it's open, runs linux and you can basically just ssh into it and run stuff. Made a pre-order right there and then and now waiting for it.

I think we're simply such a small user-base that they don't think to include it on their landing pages. Most people probably don't care. But since we're on HN, we most likely care to some degree.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by amirhirsch on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:56PM (#24297249)
Same boat lol. Saw the open-source comments and decided to buy one so I could make a sheet-music reader that changes pages automatically using facial cues from an ESP32-CAM
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by semi-extrinsic on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:06PM (#24298037)
I'm slightly astonished (have been for a while) at the fact that no-one (as far as I know) have developed a Guitar Hero style e-ink sheet-music reader. Imagine how much easier you'd make life for kids learning how to play music! Software and hardware wise, it's got to be well within the realm of feasibility.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Polylactic_acid on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:01PM (#24299635)
ePaper does not refresh fast enough to do the falling notes thing you are thinking of. An ipad works infinitely better, costs less second hand (I got an ipad air 2 dirt cheap and its still getting updates) and it does more.

Also my experience with using those things is that you would be better off spending the time to learn sheet music because once you get past twinkle twinkle little star, the falling note style videos don't work. You can't keep up with them live and paused they only show you the very short term future.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by _AzMoo on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:37PM (#24299917)
Yep, you might as well just learn to read music the traditional way. It's very common for musicians to be reading the sheet music a long way ahead of the actual music being played, especially while playing fast and complex pieces.

Having said that, an e-ink reader that could read visual cues would be awesome, but I feel it could be very frustrating unless it was incredibly smart. Maybe some kind of blink gestures might be useful.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Polylactic_acid on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:41PM (#24299938)
I think the best UI would just be a page change foot pedal. Not particularly difficult to implement and very reliable.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by kawera on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:48PM (#24300613)
That's what many big-name classical pianists use, a pedal hooked to an iPad.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dkarbayev on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:09AM (#24302499)
Why iPad though? I’ve seen a specialized electronic music sheet (seemingly based on e-ink) in some videos, I guess pages are flipped using a pedal since I didn’t notice any visible interaction with it to do so, e.g. https://youtu.be/oB-gF2Ncphg
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by IanCal on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:15AM (#24303238)
I think the question quickly becomes why not an iPad. They're easy and pretty cheap to get hold of, have good screens, lots of people can easily write new software for them and they're also a tablet. Many people may already have one and so using hardware they already have is much cheaper than buying new special hardware.

Also, eink screens are nice to look at but so expensive for non-kindle sizes.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by JackMorgan on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:49AM (#24303755)
I've played so much live music with an IPad, but after the 4-5th time having it freeze up mid live performance I gave up on the dream. It's just not 100% reliable, and nothing like standing there like an idiot desperately trying to swipe to the next page to make your realize how great paper is
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by masukomi on Friday August 28, 2020 @12:20PM (#24306721)
that really sounds like the software you were using not the ipad itself. most people essentially NEVER have their ipads freeze.

chucking the ipad because of that is like chucking the baby out with the bathwater because the bathwater got cold. The baby still has value. you just replace the water.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by amirhirsch on Friday August 28, 2020 @10:04AM (#24304959)
cool video. looks like the remarkable, actually two of them. now i need to buy TWO
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by scrozier on Thursday August 27, 2020 @11:28PM (#24301096)
Not sure about the Guitar Hero bit, but there’s a really nice, albeit very expensive, e-ink “sheet music” device. Product name is Gvido (not a typo). I’ve been using it professionally for about a year. Clunky UI, but hugely nicer than carting around books and sheet music. Form factor is more like traditional sheet music size than is an iPad, and it opens like a book—two side-by-side big, non-backlit pages. Turn pages with a Bluetooth pedal.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by ableal on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:25AM (#24315622)
Thanks, link for convenience: https://www.gvidomusic.com/
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by scoopdewoop on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:28PM (#24298271)
You should check out Rocksmith. Its guitar hero with real guitar, pretty cool stuff. I don't see how a scrolling format like guitar hero would fit the slow refresh rate of an e-ink display, but perhaps you imagine something different.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by yayr on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:47PM (#24298468)
Absolutely love that toy, unfortunately they stopped producing DLCs for it some time ago to do something else... I wonder what that is.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Zero_Negative on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:28AM (#24302276)
They are working on RockSmith 2, you don't know this from me.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by codeofficer on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:38AM (#24304110)
I remember a couple years ago getting Rocksmith for my ps4 and absolutely loving it. The controller mappings were a little unnatural in places but I did reasonably well with reading their notation/tab. Fast forward to when I tried to pick it up again a few weeks ago ... I can't read their notation/tab for the life of me. It's so confusing. Need to rewire my brain somehow.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by NikolaeVarius on Thursday August 27, 2020 @08:36PM (#24300274)
Custom DLC is still going strong
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by viraptor on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:53PM (#24298535)
Or Yousician. I'm not a fan of the Rocksmith presentation which relies on small position differences and colours, but there are alternatives.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by delgaudm on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:31PM (#24298297)
I ordered my remarkable2 yesterday. Wrt sheet music, Not exactly what you were talking about but there was a great app called jammit that did something similar --playing along with sheet music with existing songs, and either isolating the instrument or muting it. The app just disappeared one day and the community reverse engineered the app and you can still get it under the facetious name "crammit" on Mac and windows. I found it very helpful to learn drum set notation.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by remarkableguy on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:34AM (#24301962)
you mean like this? not animated but up the same street. nothttps://www.padformusician.com/en/products/18-18-padmu-3.htm...
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by xwdv on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:29PM (#24300831)
Probably because you could just make an application like that on an iPad...
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dbenn8 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:15PM (#24298754)
The Kala Ukulele app is a chords only version of this. It also includes videos showing how to play each section, and it plays accompaniment into your headphones as you play along.

I found it super helpful, and I believe it's based on technology originally developed for teaching guitar.

Not sure if it's open for programming your own songs in or not, and much of the library is behind a paywall.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by chrisweekly on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:19PM (#24297540)
What a great idea! How can I learn if/when you build that music reader app?
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by krick on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:56PM (#24297252)
That's why I'm saying I'm not sure about the average customer, so I'm not feeling comfortable assuming people responsible for sales strategy (who are obviously professional marketers) are bad at their job. But I seriously don't want to dismiss this thought. After all, are we "such a small user-base" that it doesn't matter? Maybe, but I don't know. We likely would be if they actually had customer base Apple has, but they surely don't. And given they don't have such a remarkable brand-recognition, it actually makes it kinda more likely that they are selling it to us, whether they like it or not. I mean, this thread here is the first time I've ever heard about them, so I'll probably be the first guy in the office that gets the tablet, and then if I'll like it some people who don't read HN will hear an endorsement. In fact, it wouldn't even be the first product introduced this way to numerous non-technical people I know (who now own one).

And even if I'm mistaken and none of this matters, well, after all a sale is a sale.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by jodrellblank on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:53PM (#24298540)
> I mean, this thread here is the first time I've ever heard about them,

They have been on HN a lot[1][2], and one of the founders posted here on some of the threads. My understanding is that they couldn't reach all of the openness they were hoping for, and in recent times they've taken VC money and (I predict) that will affect version 2 negatively for hacker types.

I recommend the Youtube channel "My Deep Guide", he uses Remarkable long term as a normal person (not trying to hack it) and has done several video reviews over the years about firmware changes, what he likes and dislikes; it's not a "great device thanks for the freebie, like and subscribe" hype channel, it's thoughtful and detailed: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1B04TSL2cY (Looks like he's just done reviews of Remarkable version 2, I'll have to watch)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16321531

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by TeMPOraL on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:24AM (#24302572)
It's not incompetence, it's most likely just resource prioritization. There's nothing in principle stopping companies (not just ReMarkable) from having a separate landing page / marketing copy targeted at the hacker audience. With a device like this, it would most likely have a positive ROI. Just not positive enough compared to other things the marketing team could be spending their time on.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by ajuc on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:31AM (#24302295)
I think including such details in marketing would even detract from the "it's easy and intuitive for everybody" point they try to make.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by asdff on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:42AM (#24301997)
I really think they should push this, because if you are in the market for an e ink notebook like this, you are probably a niche customer to begin with. Everyone else and their mother draws on an iPad. This is nerd hardware, and they really should lean into it with the marketing.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by eequah9L on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:02AM (#24303848)
There are various types of nerds, and an "I like paper" nerd seems mostly orthogonal to an "I like hackability" nerd. I mean, _I_ am the right type of nerd to appreciate the hackability, and yet I only use mine to scribble notes and read papers.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by wenc on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:20PM (#24297551)
I think you hit on a good reflection there. I've half a foot in the consumer space and my intuition is that if consumer product marketing targeted their strategies at the HN crowd, they will likely have a small market share. Certain cognitive styles are over-represented in the HN comments section which, from my empirical observations, do not match that of the broader population. The glossy pictures are visually impactful and do matter to most people: it's not even the subject but the production values, which communicate either downmarket or premium.

I have a sense that "lack of restrictiveness" is not something most users prioritize, as witnessed by Apple's phenomenal success. My daily driver is Linux (I've used Kubuntu for over a decade) yet I own Apple devices and am rarely bothered by things being locked down because for the most part, the constraints are tastefully picked (well based on my aesthetic they are -- others may disagree).

I watch MKBHD reviews regularly and it's not lost on me that Android phones for instance are so much more cutting edge and unrestricted relative to Apple devices. (I've owned Android devices in the past and have to admit they're objectively better in many ways -- Google apps for instance are more responsive and have more features than their iOS counterparts).

But I still find myself preferring the iPhone experience because everything feels right.

p.s. I ordered a reMarkable 2 earlier this year, but canceled my order because I decided that an iPad Pro (for consumption) + fountain pen/paper (for scribbling) fit my habits better. No knock on the reMarkable -- from all the YouTube reviews I've seen, it seems like a solid device.

It's just that from a social perspective, it's unlikely I'd use a reMarkable in a meeting room. It's still a touch too tech-y and liable to make others feel I'm not paying attention/being present (a sentiment which somehow pen-and-paper don't convey -- folks are ok with me jotting down notes with pen and paper. Don't know why. It's weirdly psychological.)

p.p.s. it sounds like reMarkable might gain a few extra orders by including "dev-friendliness" as a benefit. Why not add it to the marketing material? (I remember when Apple laptops were marketed to creatives, but the dev crowd -- who weren't being marketed to -- jumped on board when OS X became the main OS).

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by inamberclad on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:33PM (#24298955)
> Certain cognitive styles are over-represented in the HN comments section which, from my empirical observations, do not match that of the broader population.

I'd call it groupthink but your assessment is probably fairer.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by TeMPOraL on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:21AM (#24302554)
Groupthink isn't the right term to describe a fluid group of Internet commenters that post semi-anonymously, and only on the topics of their choosing. There's no pressure forcing a common belief system, other than self-selection.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by inamberclad on Saturday August 29, 2020 @01:55AM (#24313952)
No, but HN produces self-reinforcing discourse.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by lallysingh on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:48PM (#24297844)
For meetings I use a Neo smartpen, which syncs back to Evernote. It's a regular pen and paper experience, so nobody is offended.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by pmontra on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:18PM (#24298797)
> folks are ok with me jotting down notes with pen and paper. Don't know why.

Maybe because everybody had the experience of taking notes at school, university, work meetings. And everybody spent time googling and chatting on their digital devices when they should not.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by pre on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:55PM (#24297221)
Indeed.

"All your work is instantly synced to the cloud"

Ugh. Nope nope nope.

But now maybe sounds like I could turn that off and just rsync the files to my Debian tower.

That is more win.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by jbeard4 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:22PM (#24297565)
> But now maybe sounds like I could turn that off and just rsync the files to my Debian tower.

Yes, I can confirm this. I have never connected my device to wifi. I backup my notes to my home server using rsync.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by krick on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:26PM (#24297611)
You mean rsync via USB? Or can you rsync by WiFi without allowing it to send requests to their services?
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by jbeard4 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:38PM (#24297737)
> You mean rsync via USB?

I mean rsync via USB (but over ssh protocol - the USB mounts as a network device, rather than as a disk drive).

> Or can you rsync by WiFi without allowing it to send requests to their services?

I have never connected the device to wifi, so I don't know about this.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by solarkraft on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:12PM (#24299715)
While I haven't used this device, because it's just a standard Linux system, certainly.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by mennis16 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:39PM (#24299482)
Their support page does imply if you want to avoid cloud sync you should keep it offline, but perhaps that is just because it is the most brief/user friendly way to describe the situation. There definitely isn't an explicit option to turn off the cloud sync in the device settings, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are workarounds to this once you ssh in. You could also maybe block internet access to the device via your router settings, so you could at least use rsync while at home?

https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000264829...

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by kadoban on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:30PM (#24300524)
The cloud sync requires an account, which the device works fine without. So just don't sign up.

I think I'm missing out on features I don't care about, like OCR and emailing docs to people, but it's well worth it.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by mcv on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:20AM (#24302229)
But can you have it sync automatically in the same way with your own private cloud? That would be really awesome.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by eichin on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:50PM (#24311241)
Sounds like you could maybe use git-annex on it for that? (I use rsync (via "FolderSync") on the android-based onyx boox max, so as soon as I turn on wifi it pushes to one of my personal boxes (internal format is a hideous sqlite-based thing, but after the third round of updates they generate competent PDFs so I just push those) - sounds like on this I'd also just use rsync from an ifup script or something...)
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by justinclift on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:48AM (#24302383)
Sounds like the optimal approach would be to run some kind of server on your own hardware, and update the /etc/hosts on the device to point at it.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out what it's communicating over the network, then put together a server to match that and do useful things with it.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by pre on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:36PM (#24298351)
I don't own one of them, but I would surely be able to instruct my router to put it in jail like I can every other device.

LAN-only.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dredmorbius on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:05PM (#24299669)
Fine until you're elsewhere.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by pre on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:43PM (#24299951)
Eh?

When I'm elsewhere it can continue to not have the passwords to anyone else's wifi.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by ahnick on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:14PM (#24300434)
Wouldn't you still need to be careful about the device auto-joining to open public wifi? Basically, if you were going to be away from your house you'd have to always remember to disable the wifi before you left. Alternatively, just keeping wifi off and only using the USB cable means you don't have to worry about forgetting to disable wifi before you leave home. :)
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by johntash on Thursday August 27, 2020 @11:47PM (#24301166)
Most devices don't auto connect to open wifi unless you tell them to. I'd assume this would have an option for that as well.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dredmorbius on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:28AM (#24302981)
This requires being militant about never connecting under any conditions. If the device ever is even briefly connected to a particular network (especially any commonly-named public network), unless that entry is cleared, the device may reconnect later unintentionally and with no obvious indication of having done so..

For those with more expansive threat models, intentional dvice or network spoofing or cloning might bebrisks.

Since firewalling is performd off-device (on the home-LAN router), this will resut in an unsecured evice.

My preference would be for some on-device configured networking limits. Putting full reliance in fixed-site infrastructure migh be unpleasantly surprising.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dredmorbius on Thursday August 27, 2020 @09:26PM (#24300507)
This.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by justinclift on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:51AM (#24302396)
People have mentioned you can ssh into it, so it might be possible to make changes to the /etc/hosts file.

That's assuming the device doesn't use straight IP addresses for whatever it's communicating with. That's possible, but pretty unlikely.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by dredmorbius on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:11PM (#24311938)
Or update/modify the networking, WiFi, routing, gateway, firewall, or other configurations on the device itself such that it connects to and communicates over only specified networks and/or hosts.

Again my point is that relying on off-device, local-netork hardware and configs is brittle.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Izkata on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:53PM (#24297900)
...and now I, too, have reason to consider ordering one. Looking like it was dependent on the cloud was what turned me off before.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Qwertious on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:09PM (#24300737)
>"All your work is instantly synced to the cloud"

It's opt-in, FWIW, it doesn't work unless you log in to a ReMarkable account and you can just store everything locally. It has ~6GB of usable space (8GB but 1-2GB reserved by OS)

And if you mod it, it looks like you can fairly trivially handle the syncing yourself: https://github.com/verbavolant/reMarkable-autosync

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by ggrrhh_ta on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:17PM (#24297514)
My thoughts exactly
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by inamberclad on Thursday August 27, 2020 @05:18PM (#24298788)
Ultimately the software matters little to the average consumer so long as it does what they want and looks nice.

Us 'hackers' have the dual detriment of being cheap people and demanding on company resources. It's just more profitable to focus on the larger client base.

That said, it may work well if they launch their own software sharing platform.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by solarkraft on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:09PM (#24299693)
> So I've got a feeling all these marketing people do advertising wrong somehow.

I have a feeling the HN crowd is a rather unusual one :)

High-quality normal user experience and a good power-user experience luckily aren't mutually exclusive at all (just appear together much too rarely).

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by filmgirlcw on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:05PM (#24299665)
Yeah, I pre-ordered one because a friend has an rM1 and used a bunch of hacks and that was what made me interested. At the time (~18 months ago), I was uninterested in paying the money for one, but when the rM2 came out at pre-order for the lower price (the reMarkable 1 is now $100 less than the rM2) and with better battery/faster processor/USB-C, I pre-ordered.

I'm in the second batch and because of delays, I won't get it until early October (they claim) but it's the hackability that sold me on it, rather than anything else. I have an 11" iPad Pro and Apple Pencil and a 2018 Kindle Oasis (second-gen is I guess the parlance), so I don't actually need something like this, but I want it.

That said, I don't think they are marketing it wrong at all -- they might just not be marketing it to all potential audiences. This is definitely an enthusiast device with a niche audience -- people that want really a really good drawing/writing experience that is as similar to paper as possible. There are a number or e-Ink devices similar to this and most run Android, which has the advantage of opening it up to more consumer apps (Kindle, Kobo Reader, etc) but also tends to lead to a less ideal writing/drawing experience.

Some of the people who really want that pen on paper experience are like you and I and are really intrigued by the open nature/hackability of the device but the vast majority really want something simple and task focused. If you look at the Reddit for the reMarkable and the community around YouTube/Facebook/etc, although there are plenty of people who are hacking on it, that's not the core audience at all. In fact, the original reMarkable was criticized a bit for not being intuitive enough, even though the ink performance was always excellent. Even now, the biggest complaints are about the lack of features (primarily an e-reader), even though this is very much a uni-task device.

Small companies like this have limited marketing budgets so I don't think going after hacker enthusiast types at first is the right move -- especially when the people willing to spend $500 on an e-Ink notebook in the age of the iPad is fairly small. That said, I hope that the marketing can expand to the DIY/hacker crowd more after the rM2 is released because I do think that could attract some additional users and also help contribute to the ecosystem.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by hebetude on Thursday August 27, 2020 @07:36PM (#24299907)
They're spending a ton of Facebook. I wanted to buy one until the 500th ad that was presented to me. I think 1/2 the price of the device is marketing spend.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by filmgirlcw on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:57PM (#24300959)
I don’t think so. The first version was more expensive and it didn’t have much (any?) marketing at all. And it’s not much more expensive than the Chinese E Ink devices. They are selling this at a premium for sure but I don’t think it’s 50% or anything close to that. ReMarkable raised $15m USD last fall and I think that is where the Facebook/Instagram budget came from. I imagine preorders are funding the first wave of rM2 production and the additional funding is paying for the hardware development and Facebook ads.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by jeromenerf on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:28AM (#24301938)
> so I don't actually need something like this, but I want it.

I understand what you mean but it makes me uncomfortable.

> there are plenty of people who are hacking on it.

https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable Has many great examples indeed.

I was remembering mostly as binary patches on the UI components and it seems that it developed further, with source project on GitHub... I feel a lot more comfortable with this kind of community than with Android mods, which always felt like colourful forum posts Over git, binary packages over source and leet speak over documentation.

In the mean time, no one has come with a way to export Apple iOS notes to markdown + images.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by justinclift on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:54AM (#24302412)
> primarily an e-reader

It has no capability to be used as an e-reader? eg ePub's, etc.

Ouch. That outright kills the idea of this for me. :(

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by sergiosgc on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:06AM (#24303492)
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by justinclift on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:35AM (#24303665)
That's, that's workable. :)
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by BigJ1211 on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:03AM (#24303852)
It does according to the website: https://remarkable.com/#Reading_on_reMarkable
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:04AM (#24305724)
Marketing in its current virulent incarnation is a scam, and front for wholesale population level surveillance. I've yet to see a convincing argument to the contrary.

All a business needs to be successful is a good product, and word of mouth. Advertising gets people to buy stuff they don't need. Instead companies scrimp on the product and spend more on advertising. The sooner society finds a way to clothe, house and feed everyone the better all of us and our planet will be.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by nick_kline on Saturday August 29, 2020 @03:12AM (#24314307)
That seems naive. Very few products succeed without marketing. Only tesla, for example, in autos succeeds without much marketing. I'd never have heard about remarkable2 without current marketing around the v2.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by aleksjess on Thursday August 27, 2020 @06:20PM (#24299330)
It's pretty obvious, however I'm gonna say it anyway - they probably don't target people that are active here.

They could add all of that, though thatd be disrupting their intended Apple-like presentation of the product.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by teekert on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:03AM (#24302459)
Same here, but we are a super niche market, not even worth a couple of small letter on the landing page. I learned about that a lot as early adopter of products that inevitable had to switch to address a more mainsteam market and in the process completely alienate me. Examples are Pebble (I don't care about fitness, OI care about minimalism and battery life), bunq, a fintech "bank", went from nerdy minimalism, IT company with a banking license to a comapany that that integrated Instagram and Tree saving counter into the banking app. Another, less strong, example is OnePlus who lost me after the 3.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by thallavajhula on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:13PM (#24297458)
HAHA it is funny indeed. Last time when someone posted a similar comment about reMarkable (the original edition) here on HN, I was immediately hooked. I checked out the tablet and was impressed by it. I immediately placed the order for reMarkable 2. Just waiting to get my hands on this device. I take down a ton of notes and I think this would be perfect for me.
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by rkagerer on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:49PM (#24297847)
Same here. Looks like great hardware and I even had a pre-order, but I canceled it in part over concern there wouldn't be much of a third party application ecosystem and I'd mainly be restricted to notetaking and viewing/annotating PDF's. I recognize for lots of people note-taking alone is enough to justify it; I just realized I'd personally get more utility out of an iPad or similar.

If I'd seen the "open-source" pitch it might have enticed me to stay onboard.

Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by tyre on Thursday August 27, 2020 @02:37PM (#24297005)
I had the same thought. Knowing we can develop software on top is delightful
Re:ReMarkable 2.0 – A digital notebook that feels like paper by samtuke on Thursday August 27, 2020 @04:19PM (#24298170)
Same here - the website led me to assume the software was all locked down, and forever restricted to reading two file formats.