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Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:14PM (#21641579)
I've been doing strength training for the last few months with both bodyweight and dumbbells and am really loving it. It's amazing how fast you can go from feeling completely hopeless as a beginner to making significant improvements with almost every workout if you stick with it, are consistent, and don't get hurt. It has fixed my back pain, neck pain, wrist pain, hamstring tightness, and improved my posture. The desire to keep improving has also motivated me to eat a lot better.

One thing that has made it more enjoyable for me and helped me avoid injuries (I initially had some nagging shoulder issues) is to stop caring about the number of reps. Obsessing about hitting a certain number causes form breakdown, injury, a stunted range of motion, and discouragement when you can't reach your goal. It's far better to just do as many as you can on each set with good form and not focus too much on what number you hit. As long as you're pushing yourself on the last few reps, your muscles won't know the difference, and if you're consistent in your workouts and diet, the numbers will take care of themselves over time.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by matwood on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:34PM (#21641785)
There is a fun program from the book "Huge in a Hurry" where sets are to perfect rep failure. The gist of the program is, for example, pick a weight you can 10 reps of. Now do 40 total reps stopping every set when you no longer do a perfect rep. Take as many sets as needed to get to 40. This was a great program for me early on, as it taught me about the focus on perfect form above all else.

But yeah, working out is life changing. I've been lifting in some form for over 20 years now, and try to exercise every single day.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:37PM (#21641819)
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by criddell on Monday December 02, 2019 @09:16AM (#21682453)
Are you still trying to up your numbers or has your focus shifted? I'm going to be 50 next year and when I think about my goals it would probably be to get a bit stronger, improve my endurance, and to have a program that will work for a long time in a type of maintenance mode.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by radicalbyte on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:32PM (#21641759)
The type of training you're doing affects the results. The how IS important.

Do you want to get big? Then train heavy enough that you can do 10-15 reps with good form.

Do you want explosive strength for sports? Then look for around 15-20 reps but do the pushing part explosively.

Do you want to get strong? Lift heavy. Do 5 sets of a weight you can lift for 5-8 reps.

Going for endurance? Then you're looking for weights that take you to 30-50 reps.

Adjust the weights if you're not in your rep range, and don't cheat. Rest longer between sets if they start dropping off.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jriot on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:59PM (#21642068)
Do you want to get strong? You want more in the 2 - 5 rep range for many sets. I followed the Sheiko method (which lays this out) for 2 - 3 years. In June I tested and had the following:

1. Squat - 505lbs 2. Bench - 355lbs 3. Deadlift - 540lbs

Also, eat big!

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by scruple on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:15PM (#21642773)
This, plus getting your sleep in order.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by radicalbyte on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:08PM (#21642142)
Wow those are big numbers! I'm training for body re-comp (I'm fat, I want to be muscular with some endurance) and my numbers are half that.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jriot on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:13PM (#21642190)
That will be maximum, ever, I suspect. In reality, it isn't hard but does take time and you have to push yourself. The hardest part is really eating. A typical day would like this,

1. Breakfast, a cup of espresso with milk, 6oz NY Strip, 1 cup of grits with butter, 16oz whole milk.

2. Lunch, 6oz NY Strip, 2 eggs, 16 oz whole milk

3. Snack, 2 - 4 pieces of fruit e.g, 3 apples with peanut butter.

4. Dinner, 2 - 3 pieces of fried/grilled chicken, collard greens, sweet potatoes.

5. Desert - a quarter slice of pie with 16oz of milk

I didn't take any supplements, just ate whole foods I cooked at home. Everything was made from scratch. The pies used lard we rendered at home from leaf fat (fat near the kidney).

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by codesternews on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:36PM (#21642425)
I loved your routine. Any vegetarian diet advice. I am vegeterian.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sn9 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:29PM (#21644500)
Dairy, legumes like beans and lentils, and protein supplements like whey powder will take care of your protein needs.

It's a bit harder for vegans, but still doable. Look up Clarence Kennedy, the vegan Irish weightlifter.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by Silfen on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:48PM (#21643088)
Vegetarian lifter here. Getting quality protein is a bit more difficult, but if you're ovo-lacto vegetarian then egg whites and whey are great sources. You don't need to overdo it, just make sure you're getting enough. Once you're no longer a complete beginner, you might also want to consider supplementing with creatine, since you aren't getting much in your diet.

For a deeper dive, I'd recommend this excellent article: https://www.strongerbyscience.com/vegetarian-and-vegan-athle...

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by qmmmur on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:46AM (#21646831)
I am not fully veg but have reduced consumption of meat hugely and don't buy it for home anymore. What I have found is really good is retextured soy protein. I get a bag for about 2 pounds and it has 60g of protein in it.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jriot on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @06:13PM (#21643716)
I would be the last person you want vegetarian advice from. If it weren't for my wife, I'd stick to potatoes, broccoli, and grilled asparagus. However, as you noticed I drink a lot of milk, a lot. A pint has 300 calories and 16g of protein. Additionally, add butter to anything you want. Grits butter, eggs, cook in butter etc... It adds a lot of calories (good in my opinion) which is what you want when lifting heavy.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by radicalbyte on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:22AM (#21646724)
How do you handle the fat? I gained most of my muscle weight eating like you do - lots of protein, fat and whole-grain carbs (oats, whole wheat bread, pasta, potatoes with skins, legumes). I gain fat too though.

I was also supplementing with whey (mainly casein) and creatine.

With the baby I've been eating a lot of crap sugars and put on 5kg of fat. I'm trying to drop 20kg of bodyfat now to get to down to 10-12% body fat. So far I've been able to drop without any real muscle loss as long as I still lift regularly.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jriot on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @10:32AM (#21648675)
I put on some fat with it, but due to the weights I was lifting for the last 6 - 12 months it didn't seem to be a concern. Remember what you see on TV and the movies aren't representations of strength, they are on special diets, have trainers etc...

I was strictly concerned with being strong, not being cut, so carrying around a little extra wasn't a big deal. The main thing, no one will think you are fat when you are strong, it is quite noticeable. Lastly, the meal I posted was at my strongest, lifting the heaviest. If I wasn't lifting those weights I would have gained quite a bit of fat.

If you are taking a few months off due to a baby, cut back on eating. Always think long-term. Two months off while you adjust to a newborn will do wonders when you get back into it. If you try to do it all, you'll be stressed and not enjoy lifting - or anything for that matter.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by ranc1d on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @08:02AM (#21647460)
This guy is a vegetarian weight lifter and goes through what he eats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrysja5lYw

Also another one of his videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fsqg6aJOI

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sbmthakur on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @12:59AM (#21645627)
I am in the same boat. Strength has increased significantly and I have also lost some fat. However, I wonder if that will continue. From what I've read, it's difficult to gain muscle and loose fat at the same time.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by aries1980 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:43AM (#21647072)
Fat metabolism comes from low glucose/insulin level. If you can decrease the insulin level or you can guard it to couple of hours in a day, you are fine.

Leucine also spikes the insulin level regardless the source, it is better to take it with fibres and a bit of fat, e.g. avocado.

If you still struggle, you might give a try to a constant glucose monitor (GCM) to see what crosses your efforts.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:54PM (#21642010)
Yeah definitely, I didn't mean to imply that the weight/rep ranges don't matter, just that the specific number you can do within that range on a particular set isn't so important as long as you're reaching failure. If you're doing the 5-8 range for strength and your form breaks down after 4 on the last set, just note "cool, I did 4 today" and stop, rather than trying to do more with bad form or feeling discouraged that you didn't reach an arbitrary number.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by lostapathy on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:49PM (#21642521)
A big trap a lot of people fall into is worrying about whether they are training for strength vs hypertrophy before they are strong enough for it to really matter. Sure, those big body builder types you see won't be as strong as competitive power lifters, but they are a heck of a lot stronger than the average gym goer. Every huge guy is pretty strong, and every super strong guy is going to be pretty big.

It's not exactly the same topic, but Mark Rippetoe gets to the spirit of it "My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500. By then you'll have your own opinion and you won't have to worry about mine."

Until you get to the point of at least a 350lb squat and 400lb deadlift, it's far more useful to just stick with a program you can stick with than worry about optimizing it based on what "professional" athlete you want to be like.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jbc1 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:37PM (#21644823)
/r/fitness got heaps in to Starting Strength like 5 years ago where they recommended it to basically every beginner lifter and there were a bunch of before and afters from it of dudes t-rexing themselves when their primary (often only) goal was looking good.

It doesn't make sense to perform routines that don't aim to achieve the results you want and the routine you're most likely to stick with is the one that promises the results you want, has people who have done it and achieved the results you want, and is created by a guy who has the results you want.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by red2awn on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @10:45PM (#21645076)
I don't think it is necessary to reach failure every workout, in fact I find it detrimental to your gains.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by aries1980 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:36AM (#21647333)
I think this is specific to person, age, other aspects of life e.g. level of stress and sleep quality that affects recovery. If you go to failure but you can train that main muscle group on the same week, I think you are fine as ideal set number for intermediate athletes are between 12-20 per muscle group (according to Dr. Mike Israetel @ Juggernaut Method).
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:09PM (#21645161)
Yeah, I know there are different takes on this. Going to failure or near-failure (I stop when I can't maintain proper form) has been working for me so far, but I think the point still holds that what matters is how much you've taxed your muscles, whether that's to failure or 90% of failure or 80% or 50%, not the precise number of reps you've done.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by lostapathy on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:09AM (#21645913)
Actual failure is a good way for a lot of people to lose confidence, and that carries over more and longer than leaving one rep in the tank.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by fillest on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:58AM (#21647437)
Any reasearch/evidence on size vs strength, please? From what I've skimmed through, size vs strength looks like a myth (popular one though). It seemed to me that one can't get bigger without getting stronger (== handling heavier load) and vice versa. (Without pharma)
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by aries1980 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:30AM (#21647027)
If it would be this simple, no programming would be needed. I'd recommend to look at 5-3-1 or Juggernaut Method. You need a regimen with variability to promote hypertrophy and strength with different focus at a time.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by Scarbutt on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:40PM (#21641847)
What is the difference between big, explosive strength for sports and strong?
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by parliament32 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:47PM (#21641930)
The difference in end result? "Big" as in you'll look good, but not necessarily be strong (hypertrophy, bodybuilding). "Explosive" as in move weight fast, has many sports applications. "Strong" as in you'll end up looking like a bear but you can move ridiculous amounts of weight (albeit slowly).
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by radicalbyte on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:02PM (#21642089)
Big means that you're training for hypertrophy (muscle growth). You gain as much muscle mass as possible, but don't care where. This results in an imbalance, your big muscles get really big but the smaller ones don't. They become the limiting factor in strength. Also, your endurance then sucks.

Explosive strength and strong is more subtle. You basically have two sorts of muscle fiber: one is for short explosive strength the other more endurance. Different training results in a different mix of these fibers (as does genetics!). It's a case of getting the right kind of fiber in the right muscles for your sporting goal.

There are some fantastic youtube videos from people who are experts (for me it's a hobby), I can recommend Shredded Sports Science for the theory and Athlean-X for a mix of both theory and practice.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sergiotapia on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:44PM (#21641897)
Look up fast twitch vs slow twitch muscles.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by rc_hadoken on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:56PM (#21642027)
My understanding is you can't "get" one or the other. You either have them or you dont. Keep in mind I last read on this in 2012.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by Grustaf on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @08:43AM (#21647724)
Everyone has both, though I'm not sure you can change the proportions.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by masonic on Thursday November 28, 2019 @02:20AM (#21655261)
Humans don't experience hyperplasia. You can't gain fibers.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by thechao on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:28PM (#21641727)
I’m about 3.5 years in. I just switched from a powerlifting routine to a bodybuilding one. I’m not going to say weightlifting makes me happy, but the notion of ‘zen’ sounds right; especially once I figured out my only competition was myself.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by number6 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:40AM (#21646808)
Same here!which routine are you on
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by thechao on Friday November 29, 2019 @03:53PM (#21666746)
Heavily modified Rippetoe (strong lifts). It’s a 5 day plan focused on form, ie, power/fast concentric, slow count eccentric. My current major goals are 400lbs deadlift & muscle-ups on the fat pull-up bar.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by MisterOctober on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:30PM (#21641739)
Total agree -- I was temporarily disabled by injury earlier this year and was recently given the all-clear to start lifting again -- was feeling hopelessly atrophied + weak at first and dubious that I'd ever get back to where I was [nothing to write home about, but OK] --

Within six weeks, I was back to most of my original routine, after almost a year not lifting -- and as you say, my overall pain level has been much reduced and my posture improved

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by radicalbyte on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:35PM (#21641791)
Muscle memory is real. I had a break of about 2 months because of having a baby. It took two weeks to get back to my old weights and that includes taking it easy after the DOMS :)

Sadly the extra kilos gained in that time will take longer to vanish.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by enz on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:41PM (#21644834)
Even for longer periods it works! (Except for DOMS if too long)

Besides, since force is a neurological stuff, you « memorize » lifted weight as you memorize playing guitar or riding a bike. It takes a short period of time to get started again, but the neural connections stay for sure.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by cryptozeus on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:37PM (#21641818)
Great point, this is one of the reason I have not been to the gym in sometime. I do not want to figure out one more thing to track and see if I have improved at this and that. I understand logically that lifting weights is good for you so I would just like to go, lift some weights and get out. I like your idea of not really caring about number of reps of weight limits.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by beamatronic on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:47PM (#21641936)
You don’t find it mind-numbingly boring though?
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by raz32dust on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:56PM (#21642024)
Just like some people find running very boring and others are obsessive runners, some people will find strength training boring. That's ok. Find some other physical activity that gets you in the zone and forget about the daily stresses of life - may be it is playing basketball, or tennis or whatever. I really started to love strength training once I got the hang of it. It gets less boring once you learn to be fully absorbed in it - focusing on correct form while lifting heavy weights and pushing yourself requires a lot of concentration and mind-body coordination, and I think that's what gets me into the "flow" state and generates the good feelings of accomplishment.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by ken on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @09:44PM (#21644846)
With running, the scenery constantly changes.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by n4r9 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:33AM (#21646239)
With weightlifting, the number of plates on the bar constantly changes.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by rc_hadoken on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:58PM (#21642055)
Personally -- when I work out I am focused on the moment and each muscle movement. If you want to get philosophical about it..there's no room to be bored because the "me" that experiences boredom is paying close attention to each movement. Not only does this avoid injury I find it as a point of growth, self-control and meditative. Same when running.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by logosmonkey on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:12PM (#21642179)
No, I hit a level of hyper focus when lifting. It's an activity that requires a significant amount of awareness and focus on what's happening right at that moment. So it works very well for me. I'm sure some people find it mind numbing but watching my weight totals grow over time is a great motivating factor for me to focus each session.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sn9 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:36PM (#21644547)
Something doesn't have to be entertaining to be good for you.

And you can make it interesting. Reading about how the body works, the biomechanics of the movements, etc. can make it more interesting.

Learning more about a subject tends to make it more interesting, even if you didn't begin with an interest.

When you're 70 with mobility issues and no longer have physical autonomy, you'll be wishing you'd invested the few hours per week of preventative medicine that would have vastly increased the likelihood that you would still have the strength and mobility to live a physically autonomous life with the ability to play with your grandkids. Not to mention the decades of benefits you would have reaped being in better shape than you ever dreamt was possible for you.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:10PM (#21642167)
Not at all, but I'm also a distance runner so I'm probably not normal in that regard :P

My mind gets zapped by working every day at the computer, so for me doing something totally physical (and for bodyweight workouts being outside in the sun) is the perfect antidote. I now start feeling stir crazy if I miss a workout or two for some reason.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by lostapathy on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:52PM (#21642547)
If your programming is boring, switch it up to something you can stick with. There are a lot of options, and the one you stick with is the one that'll work best for you.

That said - there's a lot of ways to describe a heavy squat session, but boring isn't one I'd use.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by tdsamardzhiev on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @09:01AM (#21647866)
Agreed. Full-body workouts should work better for me in theory. In practice though, I find them painfully boring, and they tire me in a weird way so that I'm completely useless for the rest of the day. I've decided to go with splits, and so far so good.

It may sound like broscience (because it is), but you gotta find what works for you.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by throw0101a on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @08:32AM (#21647648)
It's no more boring than being stuck at a traffic light for 2-3 minutes, or waiting for your bus/train to arrive.

Your mind tends to be focused on the task at hand when doing the movements. After each set, when you're resting, you can listen to a podcast or audio book.

Or, you know, just stand there and do nothing and let your mind wander: perhaps not doing something may actually be good for you. Perhaps you may wish to examine the benefits of being bored once in a while.

* https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hide-and-seek/201407...

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by Aaronstotle on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:51PM (#21643114)
I never listen to music when lifting and like to concentrate solely on the movement and I find that it's a very therapeutic experience, similar to meditating.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by zaroth on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:49PM (#21641956)
It should absolutely not be boring. There are 100s of different ways to work your body, and if a trainer can’t make a workout entertaining and exhausting and help you achieve real progress towards your goals... get a different trainer.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by bproven on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @05:34PM (#21643461)
The key to not make it boring or drudgery is to set goals for yourself. And having a plan to work toward those goals. Without either it can become boring or meaningless for some folks (outside the obvious health benefits).
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by cryptozeus on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:30PM (#21642367)
Yes I do, I am in that category. I have not found a way to make it entertaining enough. Its not like you can watch TV while lifting weights. May be find a good group of people to do it with.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by cabernal on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:33PM (#21641770)
Any recommendations on how to get started?
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:44PM (#21641887)
I started with only bodyweight exercises first, following these progressions: https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommend...

After like 6 weeks of doing that and improving a lot, I bought some dumbbells and started throwing some lifting in to mix it up, target weak spots, and work on muscles that the bodyweight stuff doesn't hit as well. I've found that the combination of the two really accelerates progress and improves recovery too by changing up the movements.

This has been working well for me, but of course there are many ways to approach it. Personally, I really don't like the gym vibe, so working out outside in the sun (with bodyweight) made it easier to get started and stick with. You also don't need to buy anything, and you can build up a base level of strength that makes lifting weights feel more approachable.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sn9 on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:46PM (#21644606)
Rippetoe's Starting Strength is the best place to learn the barbell movements and will take care of your first 3-6 months of training.

From there, you have a wealth of options like his Practical Programming, Wendler's 5/3/1 books, and the Tactical Barbell books for combining strength and endurance training. The Barbell Medicine podcast and strongerbyscience.com are also great.

If you find yourself wanting to compete, Juggernaut Training and the Renaissance Training groups are great sources.

If you want something portable you can do at home, Pavel's Simple and Sinister is your best bet for kettlebell work, and Overcoming Gravity will teach you bodyweight work that only requires a pull-up bar.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by lostapathy on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:11AM (#21645927)
Wendler’s programs are great but buyer beware, his books are really hard to understand unless you already understand his programming. There is a definite bootstrapping problem there that doesn’t exist with all authors.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by sn9 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:50PM (#21652498)
Agreed. He would really benefit from an editor. I think the usual recommendation for reading order is basically this: https://www.reddit.com/r/weightroom/comments/6g5m8o/book_rev...

For clearer writing and simpler programming, I would go for Tactical Barbell and Simple and Sinister over Wendler.

Doug Hepburn's programs (which can be found online with a minute of Googling) are also great for people looking at Wendler, but want something simple that can be run nearly indefinitely.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by matwood on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:39PM (#21641840)
The beauty of weight lifting is that you just have to do it. When I was seriously powerlifting my favorite exercise was the dead lift. After dealing with complex things all day, here was something so simple. Pick up this weight. I did that simple thing over and over for many years until I could pick up 500+ pounds.

A beginning book I always recommend is starting strength. But, depending on where your current fitness is at you may need to check with your doctor first and/or find a good body weight program to get started. Burpees, pushups, pull-ups, thrusters for 20 minutes will destroy even the most in shape athletes. It's really not something you need to over complicate.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by nugget on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @05:11PM (#21643265)
If you're not familiar with how to lift at all, it may be worth a few sessions with an actual personal trainer at the local gym to get the basic movements down. In the beginning, the most important thing is just to get into a routine, lift properly (practice excellent form), eat properly (enough protein to build muscle), and avoid injury. You can follow a program like 5x5 stronglifts to do all that. Once you master the basics and hit your first plateau, then dynamic routines become more important. If you have an iPhone, there's a free app called Shred which is like an automated personal trainer and has an excellent library of dynamic routines.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by logosmonkey on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:21PM (#21642269)
I'm 5 months into this https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/go-from-zero-to-hero-in...

It's a very stupid name and the accompanying article is kind of meh but the program overall is a solid start. I'm using as a way to reshape my body - I'm fairly overweight with a gut - and it's worked well so far. Pick any beginner plan like this and you'll probably be OK. As a beginner you'll make huge gains in your first year and that makes the day to day a lot easier to deal with while you build the habit.

I modified the plan on a few exercises that I don't like and used bodybuilding.com's alternate exercise lists to pick ones I prefer. At month 6 I plan to switch focus slightly to keep things mixed up and will probably switch to a 5x5 for a month or so then back to a more traditional regiment based on the 6+ month recommendations in the article.

The biggest thing is to choose any of the recommended programs in these responses and then start going. Promise yourself a month, a month of trying really hard each day and see how it goes. After that you can re-evaluate if it is really for you but that month will help build a habit and you'll start seeing some strength gains.

I feel so much better and I'm seeing significant body modifications that I'm really happy with. Getting healthy any which way you choose is worth the effort!

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by logosmonkey on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:28PM (#21642355)
Also, others have mentioned getting a trainer. That's probably a good investment. I didn't but it was because my lifting buddy's wife is a trainer for athletic teams and helped me with my form the first month and she still works out with us from time to time. Her input was invaluable in helping me maintain my training. I had a bad back for a very long time and lifting has helped tremendously but only because she was able to instill proper form in me early!
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by logosmonkey on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:23PM (#21642287)
Oh, I use Strong as my tracking app. I really suggest some form of tracking. Either an app or a notebook. For me being able to look back at my numbers over time is a huge motivator.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by ropable on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @07:02PM (#21644009)
To add to all the other suggestions, I'd suggest this program as an ideal starting point for learning how to resistance train using barbells: https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/the-beginner-prescripti...

It's straighforward, manageable, and (importantly) it introduces the idea of autoregulation early on. Autoregulation is an important tool for helping to prevent injury due to innappropriate fatigue management. It also contains good information related to nutrition and how to perform the basic barbell movements.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by t3h2mas on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:16PM (#21642221)
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danburbridge on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:36PM (#21641804)
Stronglifts or starting strength
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by bernardom on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:05PM (#21642121)
I'll second stronglifts. I used the app too. Super simple- three times a week, 35-45 minutes each time, and super gradual.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by red2awn on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @10:49PM (#21645090)
Definitely stronglift for beginners. Not sure about starting strength though. It has power cleans in the program, which takes a long time to get proficient, time that people could have just spent on the big 3 lifts.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by jenkstom on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @05:57PM (#21643608)
Stronglifts 5x5 is great. You don't have to do any math, you just do what the app tells you to.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by ishwarn on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:46PM (#21641917)
What prevents you from starting? Is it not having a program, not knowing form, time, or something else?
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by roguesherlock on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:05PM (#21642118)
not op, but I also started couple of months back. For the longest of times I didn't start because I didn't had any plan, and so it was just easy for me to ignore. Once, I set up the plan (eventually!), it became easier to just follow through with it. Here's the link to the sheet. Hope it helps you.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PKNDlcnpUCAhjur_EEmlJp1PNsD...

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by wvenable on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:01PM (#21642079)
Hire a personal trainer
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by bproven on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @05:35PM (#21643469)
To start: Starting Strength book - having a plan and goals.
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by toomuchtodo on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @02:39PM (#21641829)
Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by criddell on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:02PM (#21642088)
I'm looking at that link and am confused. What does 3x8-12 mean? I get the 3x8 is 3 sets of 8 reps, but what about the -12?

I've been doing a bodyweight routine I got from Reddit for almost a year and I've seen very little progress. I want to try something different.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:14PM (#21642200)
It's a range, so 3 sets of between 8 and 12 reps (however many you can manage).

What bodyweight routine are you doing? The main thing to look at if you're working out consistently and aren't improving is your diet. Are you getting enough protein and calories? The general advice is to eat ~1 gram of protein per 0.7 lbs or so of bodyweight, and to have at least a 300 calorie surplus if you want to gain muscle.

Not getting enough sleep or being overly stressed out will also kill progress.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by criddell on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:23PM (#21642296)
Thanks for the clearing that up. Looking over that page more I really don't have the equipment for a lot of those exercises so I'm going to look for something different.

As far as my sleep goes, it's very good. I'm also not stressed at all.

I have made some progress, it's just been very disappointing. When I started I couldn't do a single pull up and now, 10 months later, I can do two. I'm almost to the point where I can do a reasonable dip as well.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by danenania on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:42PM (#21642466)
Yeah, pull ups and dips are very 'heavy' bodyweight exercises and very slow to improve at first. For me it was effective to do easier progressions in order to work up to them.

With pull ups, for example, you won't see much improvement from just doing sets of one or two since it's not enough volume, so it's better to do something easier like negatives (where you just do the lowering down part slowly) or just hangs if negatives are too hard. You can also target some of the supporting muscles that may be "blockers" with dumbbells--for me it was the brachialis and brachioradialis especially (the forearm muscles on both sides of the elbow), and also grip strength. I started out with 2 lousy form pull ups, and it took me over 2 months to get up to 5 fairly clean ones this way, but in just the last couple weeks I've gone from 5 to 8, so it seems like progress accelerates once you pass that threshold, at least in my case.

For dips, I found that first focusing on normal push ups and then on diamond push ups, which heavily target the triceps, was very effective.

Re:The Zen of Weight Lifting by dirtyid on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @03:34PM (#21642403)
>the numbers will take care of themselves over time

Over time maybe a great overstatement depending on context. Context being sensible programming and genetics. Really mostly genetics. The extremely motivating newbie and even intermediate gains exhaust very rapidly. Lifting can become very monotonous and tedious grind after a few years. It helps to have adopt an analytical and zen attitude towards progress after that. Most advanced lifters will go through multi-year plateaus at some point, it takes an entirely different mind set to pursue the hobby then. Injury prevention also becomes significant considerations when you become sufficiently strong (and old), eventually it's about numbers and not health - training then is not a great health prescription for people. That said, a beginning strength regime is absolutely something everyone should pursue for longevity and quality of life improvements. Intermediate+ strength training will help most folks structure many parts of their life from routine to diet to work ethic. Anything more and like every hobby, it becomes a very time intensive pursuit that requires a lot of sacrifice.

All that is to say, strength training for most people will inevitably turn into a job, and like most jobs, make sure it's something you enjoy. For some people the joy is intrinsic and the process is easier, for others it's work, and and the level of fulfillment is correlated to what one makes of it.