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Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:23AM (#20060205)
Man, I really want this telescope to succeed its mission, but I just can't get over how complex its deployment procedure is. I am extremely pessimistic about it actually managing to deploy as planned.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by teraflop on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:01AM (#20061509)
That's what I thought about Curiosity's skycrane, and that ended up working out pretty well.

Yes, it's complicated, but I'm willing to accept that my intuitions about whether something is too complicated are wrong when we're talking about something that actual rocket scientist have spent millions of hours planning.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by falcrist on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:53AM (#20062030)
I can't let go of my intuition that complex deployment procedures carry an inherent additional risk to the mission.

Now, maybe that additional risk is less than the risk of doing it a different way, but that just means the mission is particularly risky. That appears to be the case with the JWST in any case.

Space is hard. We've failed many times. It seems rational to be concerned in this case.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by Gravityloss on Friday May 31, 2019 @12:24PM (#20062335)
You can retire risk and accelerate progress by launching more smaller missions and accepting that some of them fail.

The public must be enlightened enough to understand that occasional failure ia a much faster and better and even cheaper path to success.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @12:36PM (#20062463)
The science done by a bunch of smaller IR telescope is different from what you can do with JWST. (Basically you are reducing resolution but get better time coverage of transients.)
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by Gravityloss on Friday May 31, 2019 @12:44PM (#20062545)
Yes. But you can retire the risk of technologies like segmented mirrors or complex deployment in smaller missions.

These missions don't even need to be physically small.

Then launch the more expensive one.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by HeadsUpHigh on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:33PM (#20063697)
You can combine multiple mirrors like they did with the black hole photo.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by tomr_stargazer on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:44PM (#20063808)
In this case, the black hole image was created with radio interferometry, in which you can separately record electromagnetic waves from individual radio telescopes and then combine them electronically after-the-fact. Visible and infrared interferometry is much more technically challenging because the frequencies are orders of magnitude too high to record in the same way, and so it hasn't really been successfully applied in space. (See the Space Interferometry Mission[0] for one sort-of attempt at this kind of thing.)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Interferometry_Mission#I...

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:57PM (#20063930)
This requires keeping the baseline constant to a fraction of the wave length. In other words you would have to position the satellites with a accuracy of 100 nm relative to each other. In other words: No we can not (, yet. For a decade at least).
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by ATsch on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:53PM (#20064348)
wasn't there an experiment that used laser interferometry to calculate the precise distances between a constellation of three satellites? I assume something like that could work?
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:08PM (#20064977)
That was the LISA Pathfinder mission (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISA_Pathfinder), the preparatory step for a gravitational wave detector in space. And yes something like that could work eventually. Right now we are doing science on that concept. It takes a decade or three to get the technology mature enough that you can do astronomy with it.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by toomuchtodo on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:46PM (#20065294)
In some StarLink thread on /r/spacex, someone was mentioning that you can't do IR/optical light interferometry without being able to measure the phase of light, and someone else said we're pretty close to being able to.

If you're able to deploy orbital observatories with a StarLink sort of cadence (keep throwing up cheap satellites as quickly as possible), would you think we'd reach more mature observation tech faster? Maybe observing from Earth is dead long term if you drive innovation up and costs down with the observing systems and the supporting data transport networks.

TLDR How do we make decades of progress in years instead?

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:53PM (#20065349)
Being able to iterate rapidly might be helpful to get tech of the ground into space once we have it. But right now even Earth-bound optical interferometry is in its infancy compared to optical astronomy and radio interferometry. It is an interesting subject of research for method development, but we are far away from an instrument that is sufficiently well understood to be useful.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by java-man on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:04PM (#20066956)
unless the interferometer is assembled in orbit from several spacecraft. a frame plus three (or more) robotic mirrors.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by azernik on Friday May 31, 2019 @06:47PM (#20065781)
It does absolutely increase risk, which everyone in the industry recognizes - people talk about things like minimizing separation events as a tool for reducing risk. When you're stuck doing risky stuff like this, you can compensate pretty easily by throwing an enormous testing budget at the thing, which is a big part of the ballooning cost of JWST.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:18AM (#20061689)
I don't recall ever saying it was too complicated. I only indicated extremely complex, which it is. Millions of man hours have been lost to bad units. Rocket scientists are human.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by warent on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:43AM (#20061925)
I'm not sure why you're splitting hairs on this. GP is merely addressing your "extreme pessimism" but now for whatever reason you're either arguing semantics or showing some kind of cognitive dissonance.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by batbomb on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:13AM (#20061037)
Normally they name telescopes once they are on orbit and working, because they don’t want to put a name on something and have it fail.

The joke with JWST is that it’s not allowed to fail.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by gnu8 on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:54AM (#20060862)
I have read in other discussions that the contractor has great confidence in the deployment of the sun shield because of their experience with similar systems on classified satellites. I think as long as the launch is successful there won’t be any problems with the mission.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by ttul on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:58PM (#20064399)
Indeed. The NRO - rumor has it - has been launching satellites to observe the earth in the infrared for years..
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:11PM (#20065007)
Since you are looking at a warm planet you will never get your camera down to 7 K nor do you need to as all sources are close by and bright compared to the astronomical targets for JWST. So the shielding issue is somewhat different. Having Earth, Moon and Sun in the same direction so you can block all of them with a single heat shield is actually one of the reasons why JWST is going to the L2 Lagrange point.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by CydeWeys on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:59AM (#20061483)
I really hope this is true, but there must still be something different, because there's been years of delay caused by the solar shade not deploying properly.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by CyanBird on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:50PM (#20066375)
This is a good take, I like it, the US has deployed tons of spy satellites, and if they think the sail/shield+Mirrors will deploy well because they have used it in spy satellites before then I'll believe it
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by knd775 on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:16AM (#20060538)
And this isn't like hubble, where we could (and did) send up a space shuttle to fix an issue after launch. Really scary.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by Klathmon on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:50AM (#20060824)
To be a bit more specific, we can't send something up to fix this because it's magnitudes further away from the earth than Hubble is.

JWT will be ~1.5 million km away from earth, in a special orbit around a spot called the "L2 Lagrange point". It's located there so that it can kind of hide in the earth's shadow at pretty much all times and keep all the nearby "bright" things behind the heat shield.

For comparison, the Hubble is ~600km away from the surface orbiting the Earth, and the Moon is a little under 400,000km away from the earth. JWT will be almost 4x further away than even the moon.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by escapecharacter on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:07AM (#20060979)
I mean, the giddy idiot in me just gets excited about the urgent need for a human L2 mission to fix it.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by lostmyoldone on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:15AM (#20061054)
Likewise. My train of thought goes like

"So what if it fails? There's a lot of money sunk into that! Well, maybe someone would actually decide it's worth going to the L2 to fix it, wouldn't that be cool!!"

So yeah, not the only idiot...

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by GlenTheMachine on Friday May 31, 2019 @12:48PM (#20062583)
We would probably do this robotically.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by ethbro on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:32PM (#20063060)
"What do we do when the robotic satellite fails?"

"Send another robot!"

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by GlenTheMachine on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:39PM (#20063142)
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by jvanderbot on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:28PM (#20065147)
Thank you. I was hoping to post these!
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by Buttons840 on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:00PM (#20066421)
"What do we do when the L2 point is filled with broken robots?"

Could that happen?

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by GlenTheMachine on Saturday June 01, 2019 @07:19PM (#20072400)
Unclear. L2 is an unstable Lagrange point, so the robots wouldn't just stay put. But that doesn't mean they would leave, either, necessarily. They could end up in funky Lissajous orbits and go flying through L2 regularly.

The orbital mechanics around Lagrange points are weird.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by mikeash on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:35PM (#20063095)
If SpaceX’s Starship/Super Heavy (née BFR) actually pans out, it should be able to easily perform this mission.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by bdamm on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:34PM (#20064192)
With the irony being that if BFR pans out, this mission could have ended up being launched on it and eliminate a pile of complexity in the process. The mirrors wouldn't have to be hinged, for example.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by jvanderbot on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:37PM (#20065223)
Imagine going back to 1984, and telling the Hubble successor team "Just wait for a future heavy commercial space launch before planning any larger telescopes".

Or to 1997, and telling Goddard "Your specs will require technological development that we feel should be halted until a commercial spaceflight program develops. We're pretty sure next year someone will found a e-commerce business that will make him a billionaire, and he'll sort it all out."

Or to 2002, when tech internet tech was booming and paypal was going IPO, to tell TRW that the $824 million they just acquired should be put on a shelf until about 20 years later.

Or to 2005, 12 years before BFR was announced, when it appeared cost growth was a factor (not at all related to northrup aquisitions). Again, 2010 it passed review, 7 years before announcement. Is it really irony or somehow a waste? I don't think so.

(Full disclosure: I'm working on alternative tech to deoployables for large-aperture telescopes, but I greatly appreciate their efforts on JWST, given what we had over the last 20 years).

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:15AM (#20061048)
We also can't fix this, because it was designed to be unfixable. Making it fixable would counter productively make the design more complex.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by jjoonathan on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:07AM (#20061568)
With a $10 billion telescope dead in the water and the clock ticking, Louis Rossman leads a crack team of Apple repairmen -- specialists in fixing sytems designed to be unfixable -- through accelerated astronaut training for a last-chance human mission to L2! Will they save the day? Or will the inky clutches of space doom the mission and leave them stranded farther from civilization than any human in history?
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by RosanaAnaDana on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:17AM (#20061671)
Elon Musk spots them a SpaceX rocket. Joe Rogan puts them through basic training.

I'd watch this youtube red series

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by zanny on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:34AM (#20061833)
Starring Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson as Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by hhh on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:17AM (#20061672)
Can't wait for the theater version, starring Louis Rossman!
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by rakoo on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:31AM (#20061221)
Minor nitpick, but the L2 point is selected so it doesn't need fuel to stay there. It's like a gravity well of the earth/sun system, any object getting a little further from it will get back to it.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by CydeWeys on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:01AM (#20061517)
L2 is unstable. There are stable Lagrange points that would be much better for this purpose if that was the reason.

The unique thing about L2 is that it's the only Lagrange point where the Sun is always blocked by the Earth. That's what they're going for here.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by ziotom78 on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:56AM (#20062057)
Not entirely true. Spacecrafts orbiting L2 do not stay still with respect to the Earth; rather, they follow a Lissajous orbit, which is quite efficient given the gravitational properties of the L2 point. Therefore, they will observe the Sun quite often. (The apparent size of the Sun from L2 is roughly the same as Earth's, so eclipsing the Sun would be too complicated.) And this is not bad, because otherwise solar panels could never produce the power necessary for the spacecraft to work!

The real reason why L2 is so interesting is that it violates Kepler's third law: despite being farther from the Sun than Earth, the orbital period is still the same as Earth, because of the gravitational attraction of Earth itself. This allows the spacecraft to keep the same distance from Earth during the year, which eases communications with ground stations.

(Disclaimer: I have been part of the Core Team of the ESA Planck mission, which flew around L2 like JWST will do.)

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by snowwrestler on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:31PM (#20063676)
The spacecraft would also keep the same distance from the Earth during the year in Earth orbit, so there has to be another reason they picked L2.

The real reason for L2 is that the sun, moon, and Earth are all the same direction from the telescope when it is at L2, so the sunshield can block them all simultaneously. Yes, the spacecraft will receive insolation at L2 (yay solar power), but it will always be from the same direction and therefore the instrument can be persistently shielded.

EDIT: from the the horse's mouth:

> To have the sunshield be effective protection (it gives the telescope the equivalent of SPF one million sunscreen) against the light and heat of the Sun/Earth/Moon, these bodies all have to be located in the same direction.

> This is why the telescope will be out at the second Lagrange point.

https://jwst.nasa.gov/orbit.html

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by boardwaalk on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:44AM (#20061336)
I don't think that's true? At the exact L2 point, the forces are zero, anywhere off that point, they are non-zero, away from the point, from what I understand.

Ref: https://www.space.com/30302-lagrange-points.html "L1, L2 and L3 are all unstable points with precarious equilibrium."

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by robertfw on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:46AM (#20061352)
That is incorrect, L2 is not a stable lagrange point, and will require station keeping adjustments to remain in position
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:54AM (#20061427)
They need to use fuel to station keep, there is a hard time limit to this.mission
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by TremendousJudge on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:57PM (#20063326)
Is it known how long it would last? Wikipedia doesn't say anything about this issue
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by gootdude on Friday May 31, 2019 @02:09PM (#20063450)
The mission is minimum of 5 years with maximum 10 years based on the fuel.

https://jwst.nasa.gov/faq.html#howlong

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by jandrese on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:49PM (#20064321)
After 10 years it will probably need more than just fuel. And doing maintenance in orbit, especially way out in the L2 point is easier said than done. Probably easier to build a new satellite with even more capability to replace it, except of course that the JWT is famously behind schedule and over budget and a more sophisticated replacement probably won't be any easier to build.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:21PM (#20065095)
A replacement might actually easier to build. The detector is no small feat, but the major problems with JWST come from the foldable heat shield and the segmented mirror. Both of which are due to size constraints during launch. Basically it has to fit a 20 x 14 m heat shield and a 6.5 m mirror into the 6.4 by 4.6 m fairing of an Arianne 5.

Targeting a rocket with a larger fairing diameter (even at same payload mass) would make the design much simpler. An upper stage with 20 m length and 9 m diameter on a Falcon Super Heavy would allow to have a fixed mirror and heat shield that is only folded once, instead of the crazy origami that JWST is. But of course such an upper stage doesn't exist yet. SpaceX was only started 6 years after the work on JWST started...

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by bdamm on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:39PM (#20064228)
What a shame. The mission won't be operational as long as its delays. After all that I'd at least hope there could be an option for re-fueling, but I bet there isn't.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by testvox on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:01PM (#20062740)
Also Hubble was pretty much a derivative design of existing spy satellites, just fit with some different lenses and pointed in a different direction.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by topspin on Friday May 31, 2019 @12:01PM (#20062110)
Yes, the deployment looks like a lengthy and risky operation. But the risks don't end there. The Northrop Grumman cryocooler has been a major problem for JWST, requiring years of development and rework. If it fails then some of the most crucial instruments are useless.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by mturmon on Friday May 31, 2019 @06:25PM (#20065590)
This is a good comment. The deployment is eye catching, but the cryocooler was the high technical risk item.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by baq on Friday May 31, 2019 @05:14PM (#20065031)
A more complicated process has worked multiple times in orbit already, look up the Orion program and Mentor sats.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(satellite)

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by neurostimulant on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:45AM (#20061948)
For a project this magnitude, I think they should build a spare telescope or two to account for launch failures. Or is it not how the space industry operates?
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by Rebelgecko on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:43PM (#20064275)
The costs don't scale quite as well as you'd expect. Actually building, testing, and transporting the thing is really expensive. If you build 2, it's still a lot of expensive bespoke parts. Maybe if you build dozens the economies of scale start to pay off
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by java-man on Friday May 31, 2019 @11:49AM (#20061997)
exactly my sentiment!

why not build two, given the fact that most of the budget is likely to be R&D costs.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by rbanffy on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:26PM (#20063002)
Manufacture, certification and launch are still quite expensive. You'd easily run a couple extra billions building a fleet.

Having said that, I'd be delighted to have a fleet of them.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by d33 on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:27AM (#20060223)
Could you elaborate on the complexity, comparing it to other complex science projects that succeeded? I'm a layman, curious if this is actually riskier than what humanity has done so far.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by FrojoS on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:00AM (#20060437)
This video explains it very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8yRDrl76d0

Half way through the video, I understood why it's so expensive and risky.

On the other hand, Apollo 11 had many 'firsts' that couldn't be tested before the actual mission and it worked out 'first shot'. Of course there were some problems and Apollo 13 showed that the odd's where not too good.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:17AM (#20060546)
Huge difference is that Apollo had highly trained human beings on board to fix things that could not be planned for. There were also 10 previous missions to Apollo 11 to work out the kinks, with one failing with loss of life.

JW is not designed to be fixed or fail, nor are there training runs. It HAS to work first shot.

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by petschge on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:12AM (#20061027)
Regarding the 10 missions before Apollo 11: It's a little more complicated. Apollo 1 is the name that was given to honor the astronauts who died in the pad accident. Apollo 2 and 3 didn't exists. But a whole bunch of other tests did exist testing Saturn 5 before we got to the unmanned Apollo 4, 5 and 6 tests. And starting with Apollo 7 humans were included. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Apollo_missions for details.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by NikolaeVarius on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:30AM (#20061212)
I probably should have known this. I've read alot on Apollo, but never really internalized some of these facts.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by ethbro on Friday May 31, 2019 @01:38PM (#20063132)
People forget there was an entire series leading up to the Saturn V: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V#Saturn_development

They've got a Saturn IB at an Alabama rest stop outside of Huntsville. Surprisingly small, but still towers above you!

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by DuskStar on Saturday June 01, 2019 @03:06AM (#20067764)
> People forget there was an entire series leading up to the Saturn V

Well, sooorta. The Saturn V was the third in that series, after the Saturn I and Saturn IB. [0] While there were proposed intermediate Saturns (and ones past V, too) only two first stages were developed, and the V was the only launcher to fly with the F-1 engine.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_(rocket_family)

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by TheOtherHobbes on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:50AM (#20061398)
The really amazing thing is it took just over a year and a half to get from the first unmanned launch of a Saturn V to the moon landing.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by sanxiyn on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:25AM (#20061156)
Apollo is probably the wrong thing to compare with, but sky crane did work first shot.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by FrojoS on Friday May 31, 2019 @07:02PM (#20065871)
You are right! Sky crane still blows my mind!
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by eafkuor on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:25AM (#20060614)
Wow, this video is mindblowing.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by enceladus_ice on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:36AM (#20060289)
I think a big amount of the complexity comes from the folded up sunshield. I remember it had torn during a test deployment last year.

Here is a quick animation showing the whole deployment process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVz3UrSsE4

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by nullwasamistake on Friday May 31, 2019 @09:47AM (#20060786)
If it tears bad it's technically possible to send up a shield that floats near the telescope. There were some plans for that way back during the design phase if I remember right. Still wouldn't be cheap or easy
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by mikepurvis on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:42AM (#20061316)
It looks from the renders like the telescope has solar panels, antennas, etc on the sun/earth-side of the shield. Wouldn't sending a standalone shield screw that up as it would shade them?
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by nullwasamistake on Friday May 31, 2019 @03:00PM (#20063951)
Probably, although you could shape the shield not to.

It's still far more complex than just attaching the thing right to the telescope. And glancing starlight leaking in between the shield and the telescope could be a big problem.

I looked it up, the original proposal was actually to use a mobile shield to occlude far away stars for direct planet imaging. I think a similar approach could "fix" JWT but let's hope we never get there

Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by bumby on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:49AM (#20060376)
For one, I think it has an astronomically (ha) high number of single-points-of-failure. A quick Google search reported 344.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by mikepurvis on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:54AM (#20061424)
One imagines that for every single point of failure they've got some kind of plan for how to still derive scientific value while operating it in a degraded state, similar to how Hubble was able to take pictures before service mission 1 and COSTAR.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by robotixonic on Friday May 31, 2019 @08:35AM (#20060277)
I'm a layman too, and just watched this https://youtu.be/bTxLAGchWnA to better understand the complexity.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by jvanderbot on Friday May 31, 2019 @10:46AM (#20061351)
I have great faith in it. The "deployables" crowd knows their stuff and all eyes are on them right now.
Re:James Webb Space Telescope emerges successfully from fina... by kpU8efre7r on Saturday June 01, 2019 @08:46AM (#20068924)
I'm incredibly nervous as well. If a second telescope had to be built for whatever reason would it take as long and cost as much as the first? Or is all the cost and time due to R+D?