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Re:Netflix Flexes by 2bitencryption on Sunday January 27, 2019 @02:42PM (#19013396)
My takeaway from Bird Box is that if Netflix wants to make any of their original content one of the most-watched media events of the year, they can do it, regardless of the quality of the content itself.

All it takes is for them to slip it in to people's "custom, curated" lists at a higher frequency, and maybe do a little subtle social-media engineering on Reddit/Facebook, and bam: instant box office smash of a derivative film with a 66% on Rotten Tomatoes.

That's a huge "flex". Big studios could pump hundreds of millions into a decent film and still have it flop. Netflix can take a B-movie and make it a sensation with relative ease. No wonder every game in town is trying to break into this model. Why invest millions on a potential flop when you can engineer one with 75% accuracy whenever you wish?

(though maybe I'm being just a bit too paranoid here. I have to admit some of the Bird Box magic stems from its intriguing concept. guerilla marketing doesn't work so well if what you're selling doesn't seem too interesting)

edit: people are debating the idea of "box office smash" here. I didn't use that phrase to emphasize direct earnings as a result of the film (which is "free" to watch if you pay for a subscription). The article addresses this:

> Secondly, and relatedly, Netflix is counting on subscription revenue. To that end, producing a piece of content that 58% of its subscriber base viewed in a single month is by definition a triumph (and yes, worth ~$700 million).

The idea is that Netflix was able to coerce more than half of its subscribers to watch this film. That's crazy. The result, as we see in the article, is a tidal-wave of Bird Box achieving near-meme status. How does that feel to someone who does not have a Netflix subscription? What big joke/story are they missing out on? For only $14.99 a month, they can win social acceptance by being "in the know" of the current big thing.

Re:Netflix Flexes by 40acres on Sunday January 27, 2019 @02:57PM (#19013468)
If you look closely enough you can see a clear trend regarding Netflix's content strategy. They will continue to make movies like Bird Box, B-style movies and "cult classics" that they can draw big numbers to via their reach and marketing.

Oscar contenders like Roma and Beast of No Nation (a bit early for it's time if you ask me).

Partnerships with foreign content makers to act as an international distributor (BBC produced, Golden Globe Winner, The Bodyguard for example).

Top quality original TV: The Crown for example, fueled by contracts with big name show-runners and writers to produce them (Shonda Rhymes).

And finally, high value syndication targets (Friends, Mad Men, The Office).

Netflix's content allocation seems pretty clear, the next few years will be optimization at the margins.

Re:Netflix Flexes by gh02t on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:27PM (#19013593)
Netflix has also been pushing anime/anime-style originals. I think this is a pretty interesting strategy, anime is relatively cheap to produce and is niche but has a huge fanbase worldwide.
Re:Netflix Flexes by giancarlostoro on Sunday January 27, 2019 @05:36PM (#19014189)
And some of them are pretty damn good depending on your interest. Theres a few decent mecha ones at least. I am sure they will eventually land the rights to a solid winner. I do like the end result too lots of subs in different languages and I feel like they dub it in different languages too. The best of both worlds for any type of anime fan.
Re:Netflix Flexes by yboris on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:05AM (#19017465)
Kill la Kill and One Punch Man are phenomenal!
Re:Netflix Flexes by oweiler on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:48PM (#19020450)
If you like Kill La Kill you probably also like Gurren Lagann (which is done by the same team).
Re:Netflix Flexes by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:12PM (#19023697)
It's pushing anime but the originals made by netflix are incredibly low quality (really low) and plot is ok at most.

Disclaimer: I watch a lot of animes since most tv shows don't come even close to their plots, soundtracks and epic moments.

Re:Netflix Flexes by nojvek on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:22PM (#19015020)
Any good Anime you recommend ?

I loved Violet Evergreen. It was very well done as an animation. The others are “your lie in April”. That legit made me sob. I usually don’t get that emotional. (Although not a Netflix original).

Re:Netflix Flexes by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Monday February 04, 2019 @01:27PM (#19079078)
Code Geass, Death Note, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Shingeki no Kyojin, No Game No Life, Steins; Gate (these are top notch) Boku no Hero Academia (Season 1 and 2), Sword Art Online (first 13 episodes, maybe 25, but after that is terrible), Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, Full Metal Panic (season 1, FUMOFFU, Season 2). Psycho-Pass, Made in Abyss, Accel World, Ga-Rei Zero (these are just amazing, but not top)

Be careful with FUMOFFU, leads to death due to laughter

They cover a wide variety of range, not all of them might be of your taste. You also need to get used to some things that are Japanese culture in animes (their way of being fun, their way of being embarassed by stuff that is not in your culture and so on).

Insane plot (like REALLY incredible): - Code Geass - Death Note - Steins; Gate - Shingeki no Kyojin (not completed, season 4 coming soon) - Made in Abyss (not completed, season 2 coming soon)

Epic (you feel hyped): - Sword Art Online - Full Metal Panic - Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (this anime is amazing, but I recommend watching it only after you've watched quite a few animes. Rewatching it leads to improvement. It's like when you try wine for the first time and it sucks, then it turns great) - No Game No Life - Boku No Hero Academia - Accel World

Laugh: - Full Metal Panic FUMOFFU (requires watching the season 1 first)

This list is purely based on my taste, but I watched over 200 animes (lot of bad stuff too, sadly), so for a beginner it's a good baseline.

Good plot (not like the insane ones, still good): - Psycho-Pass (AMAZING soundtrack) - Ga-Rei Zero - Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood

Re:Netflix Flexes by Yptur on Monday January 28, 2019 @08:25AM (#19017224)
I feel like Castlevania is a really cool take on Anime. It has a different style than the usual Anime and the fight scenes are amazing. I was surprised it is actually any good.
Re:Netflix Flexes by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Monday February 04, 2019 @01:29PM (#19079107)
Castlevania backgrounds in season 1 are really ugly, the animation is poor. Season 2 did some good upgrades to backgrounds and the fight scenes where surprisingly good. I think they used the whole budget for that, because I was surprised by how good that looked.

The plot was interesting, I love castlevania, but the quality is still incredibly low from my point of view.

I think of Shingeki no Kyojin, that destroys Castlevania quality by so many levels...

Re:Netflix Flexes by grawprog on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:14AM (#19017522)
I was really disappointed in the second season. It felt like it suffered from the usual problems of the second season of a lot of netflix originals I've watched.

For castlevania in particular, the art and animation really declined between the first and second season, the tone and atmosphere seemed totally different and the story just kinda went offs the rails.

I thoroughly enjoyed the first season, it was one of the best video game adaptations i've seen but the second season just didn't quite do it for me. It just felt rushed and cheap.

Re:Netflix Flexes by throwaway415415 on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:57AM (#19015721)
Gantz: O is CGI but oh my... It's amazing.
Re:Netflix Flexes by mayoff on Monday January 28, 2019 @03:02AM (#19015900)
Death Note was fantastic. Much better than I expected after reading a synopsis of the premise.
Re:Netflix Flexes by bopbop on Monday January 28, 2019 @04:36AM (#19016201)
Death note is almost a reverse bird box.

Bird box has an excellent premise, which turns out to just be a hook on which to hang some character development (I did quite enjoy it though).

Death note has a really derivative premise, and then goes nuts drilling down in to the exact mechanics of how such a thing would work - there's no deus ex machina (apart from the literal god of the plot), instead it plays within it's own rules very exactly and never cheats the audience, instead introducing very clever "hacks" to its own system.

Re:Netflix Flexes by grwthckrmstr on Sunday January 27, 2019 @10:06PM (#19015116)
Try Akame ga Kill, love the action sequences
Re:Netflix Flexes by alexgmcm on Monday January 28, 2019 @03:51AM (#19016050)
Code Geass and Death Note were the best for me.
Re:Netflix Flexes by IkmoIkmo on Sunday January 27, 2019 @07:02PM (#19014551)
> they can do it, regardless of the quality of the content itself.

Yes they can do it but, not without consequences. I thought Bird Box was pretty lame and given a dozen experiences like these, it'd completely destroy their reputation for putting out decent content for me, and I'd unsubscribe in a world where non-original content was an important factor. (and looking at the media landscape, with content companies creating their own platforms, or publishing on competing platforms, that world is becoming more and more a reality).

It's a bit like saying that Apple can create a big software hype by pushing an iOS 13, just by pushing it as a notification on 1.3 billion iOS devices. But if iOS 13 is complete rubbish, they can only perform that 'trick' a few times before they lose customers.

That plus, one can wonder if they can actually do it. Bird Box indeed took on meme status, me and my gf only watched it because it showed up as a joke on our feeds about 20 times and we had nothing better to do one night while eating food and decompressing from work. There's plenty of netflix content that pretty much bombed, despite showing up for weeks on end on the Netflix front page whenever I logged in. This felt more like the Flappy Bird of movies, a gimmick, a meme, not the next Harry Potter or Game of Thrones that turns people into long-lasting fans of your content.

Re:Netflix Flexes by achillesheels on Monday January 28, 2019 @07:52PM (#19022705)
From an investor’s perspective, this is principally why I have never liked Netflix’s content creation binge. How much of what they are producing has any long-tail value for their subscribers? The same can be said for the studios, and I suppose we live in a world now where content creators need to stream, but why not develop the tech and seek monopoly rents from Disney, Paramount, et al when they need to stream?

Is digital content streaming that simple that there is no value in creating defensible IP? Or is it more a function of dumb data pipes which do not favor the smartest content distribution so there’s no need for that investment?

Re:Netflix Flexes by baddox on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:58PM (#19013740)
I don’t think I buy this analysis. In what sense is Bird Box a “box office smash?” Only Netflix can know the impact the film made on their bottom line, and even that internal analysis is difficult to do, especially in the short term.

In other words, I’m saying that yes, Netflix can fairly easily promote a film and get millions of people to watch it, but that doesn’t mean they have a magical sustainable model. If they were to consistently flex this muscle with content people don’t like, it’s pretty obvious things will turn out badly for them.

Re:Netflix Flexes by notatoad on Sunday January 27, 2019 @07:31PM (#19014662)
>In what sense is Bird Box a “box office smash?”

the article you're commenting on makes a pretty thorough case for why it is a box office hit.

Re:Netflix Flexes by trevyn on Sunday January 27, 2019 @06:36PM (#19014441)
There’s a difference between content people “don’t like” and content with a mediocre, but broadly acceptable level of quality.

It seems like the real magic is the capability to make a particular piece of content the “thing that prople talk about”, and so you watch it just so that you’re able to talk about it in conversation, because it’s part of the social consciousness.

Re:Netflix Flexes by FreeKill on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:06PM (#19013509)
What I also find interesting is the fact that Netflix doesn't necessarily even need the "flex" to succeed. Their push on bird box could have failed miserably, and they really wouldn't have suffered greatly, whereas Disney's push of A Wrinkle in Time probably hurt, since the movie ultimately flopped and their only chance to recoup costs was after the huge investment.

Netflix's goal is quite distinct from much of its competition. In simplistic terms, their goal is to release enough compelling content to keep existing subscribers subscribed and then hopefully entice new users to sign up more than old users quit. These "flexes" I would assume are primarily for the second category. If you make something enough of an event, with subscribers talking about it all the time, maybe non-subscribers will think they are missing out and take the plunge. If that fails, however, they only really lose out on the marketing costs, since it's very unlikely to affect the existing subscriber base at all.

Re:Netflix Flexes by lsc on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:33PM (#19013627)
Yeah... I mean, when this switch occurred (away from having a wide selection of classics towards being more of a cable channel with their own custom content) I canceled my subscription.

I switched to amazon video... I can't say I'm always thrilled with the video quality, but amazon video usually has what I want to watch, and they make watching it low effort (They usually charge me a few dollars to watch it, but if I'm going to take two hours to watch something, a few dollars is the least of the cost.)

I mean, one could argue that I'd be better served by the netflix disk service, but I can't reliably predict what I'm going to want to watch ahead, and I don't have a convenient device for watching disks in the gym. (I know they exist, and I used to have one. But the kindle fire is a lot more convenient.)

Re:Netflix Flexes by nojvek on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:28PM (#19015030)
Amazon video has some nice content but their streaming quality is dogshit. For first 10 mins I get pixelated video and then it catches up with SD. Proper HD is a hit and a miss. Also their App for vizio TVs is so bloated that it crashes the TV after a couple of episodes.

Netflix on the other hand has their tech together. Beautiful streaming and lightweight responsive app.

Please Amazon, pay your Engineers well and make an app that doesn’t crash at the least.

Re:Netflix Flexes by mrguyorama on Monday January 28, 2019 @03:56PM (#19020998)
>Beautiful streaming and lightweight responsive app.

You seem to be forgetting the downright user hostile UX, though maybe not as user hostile as Hulu and Amazon and everyone else

Re:Netflix Flexes by Semaphor on Monday January 28, 2019 @04:19AM (#19016150)
Amazon has one huge problem for me: Language. I'm in Germany. I do not want dubbed movies/shows. I need English subtitles (translated subs are useless but I need subs to understand what's being said during loud scenes). Amazon usually (less than Netflix though) has OV, but subs are almost exclusively in German.

Netflix, on the other hand, has almost everything in English with English subs (exceptions are foreign language shows and most anime)

Of course, it doesn't help Amazon that their interface is atrocious and that they have ads. (Well, I mean Netflix is working towards making their interface worse, but for now, they are still miles ahead)

If I wouldn't get Prime Video for free with my normal prime subscription for shipping, I'd never use it. I barely ever use it as is.

Re:Netflix Flexes by lsc on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @12:46AM (#19024069)
Amazon has issues with language, and I imagine some of it is licensing, but like several times I've done the "try to learn a foreign language by reading the same book in two different languages" thing, and it's really hard to do with the kindle. Like spanish and french and Japanese are mostly just not available to me on my US amazon account.

I mean, I can get an amazon.co.jp and amazon.fr and amazon.es account, and tie them to different kindles, but each time I want to switch kindles, i have to wipe the thing, and get rid of my english books.

I'm totally willing to pay a premium for kindle convenience, and deal with not being able to loan books so easily, etc, etc, the kindle walled garden actually works really well for me in English but once you move out of English, it's just not convenient anymore.

Re:Netflix Flexes by Semaphor on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @05:18AM (#19025212)
Yeah, Amazon reminds me of Google a few years ago: Language settings are a clusterfuck. My Amazon.de is in English, Alexa and generally digital accounts are connected to Amazon.de (otherwise I'd lose prime video and prime music without paying twice).

English books work fine, but for some reason, I can't add skills while Alexa is in English. I need to switch it to German, add skills, switch it back to English for it to work.

Re:Netflix Flexes by autokad on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:48PM (#19013981)
(SPOILERS AHEAD)

> "...if Netflix wants to make any of their original content one of the most-watched media events of the year, they can do it, regardless of the quality of the content itself."

birdbox isn't the first promoted original content. it certainly drives success, but ultimately to get 45 million views, probably more than 2x all of who have ever seen game of thrones (16 million is their highest rating ever), is big.

I did think the movie was kinda derivative, a mix of the happening and vanishing on 7th street, but its still a must watch if you are into horror.

every game in town is 2nd guessing their models, because they are extremely outdated. Comcast's (NBC etc) entire model is based around market share - broadcast television. Hollywood is around big box office high spending action movies to make global sales. These is fine in some senses, but it means there are types of content we havent seen much, and while Netflix could satisfy niche customers, it was generally thought that it couldn't compete with large budget content producers. Now maybe it can, and that requires content providers to re-think.

>"The idea is that Netflix was able to coerce more than half of its subscribers to watch this film. That's crazy. The result, as we see in the article, is a tidal-wave of Bird Box achieving near-meme status. How does that feel to someone who does not have a Netflix subscription? What big joke/story are they missing out on? For only $14.99 a month, they can win social acceptance by being "in the know" of the current big thing."

for the longest time, ironically this has been hbo, especially with game of thrones. i feel like they must be paying reporters lots of money to go on about it so much, because its not really watched by that many people - compared to how much its talked about.

Re:Netflix Flexes by lawlorino on Sunday January 27, 2019 @05:32PM (#19014156)
I agree with your comment in general but just wanted to be nitpicky over this part (this is HN after all)

> probably more than 2x all of who have ever seen game of thrones (16 million is their highest rating ever)

I don't think that's an accurate measure for GoT as it's probably the most pirated TV show ever, that 16 million figure you quoted is people watching on HBO only. Those of us outside of the US either watch it on a different network (e.g. Sky in the UK) or just pirate it.

Re:Netflix Flexes by philliphaydon on Sunday January 27, 2019 @08:40PM (#19014887)
GoT would have a huge figure if hbo did international releases via Netflix. DC released Titans on Netflix international. I saw heaps of people streaming it on their phones via Netflix on the train. If GoT was on Netflix I suspect piracy would drop a lot (not completely cos people will always pirate)
Re:Netflix Flexes by duxup on Sunday January 27, 2019 @05:41PM (#19014208)
>All it takes is for them to slip it in to people's "custom, curated" lists at a higher frequency

Slip it in? I feel like Netflix beats me over the head with their own content even when I'm looking for something else.....

Re:Netflix Flexes by dragonwriter on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:07PM (#19013795)
> instant box office smash

How is a film with literally $0 at the box office and “instant box office smash”.

Sure, if as many people as watched it paid for full-time tickets at a theater it would have been a stunning box office, but all that proves is that more people will pay a $0 marginal cost than the cost of theater tickets. Which we already knew.

Re:Netflix Flexes by dvfjsdhgfv on Sunday January 27, 2019 @02:54PM (#19013456)
I wonder when people start noticing. For me their content is just mediocre. When you think about it, creating a real masterpiece is very hard and requires a combination of talent, taste, luck, investment and so on. It doesn't happen just by pushing something as "recommended".
Re:Netflix Flexes by assblaster on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:11PM (#19013529)
Here's the secret to Netflix:

A "masterpiece" is in the eye of the beholder.

A masterpiece to some is not to another.

Roma is one example: it clearly is masterfully done. Film critics love it. I loved it and it resonated with me. Have you seen it yet? Maybe you think it's "mediocre".

I liked Bird Box because it was apocalyptic and dealt with the downfall of society, a common theme in this genre. I don't care if anyone else liked it or didn't, the film was made for me. I see Netflix just released Kingdom. I have loved it so far.

I could list dozens of shows and movies that I have been extremely thrilled with. Will everyone else? I. Don't. Care.

As long as Netflix keeps pumping in the fantastic content, people will continue to subscribe.

I think you just need to look harder in Netflix. Try some British shows like Marcella or The Bodyguard.

Re:Netflix Flexes by pishpash on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:53PM (#19013720)
That's exactly it, they can exploit the efficiencies of personalized masterpieces. Theaters and other pre-packaged distribution channels can't.

Netflix only has to make a crap load of content available to cover all the content space. The average quality according to any particular user doesn't have to be good if their recommendation engine can find your niche. Think what the average quality of YouTube is.

Re:Netflix Flexes by mostlysimilar on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:57PM (#19013735)
I agree. I'm always surprised by the number of people I encounter who have negative opinions of Netflix's original content, both online and in discussions in person.

I've been very happy with Netflix's originals and think they're top-notch. They have actually solidified my subscription--if they continue to produce shows at the rate and quality they have been, they have a customer for life in me.

Re:Netflix Flexes by baxtr on Sunday January 27, 2019 @02:51PM (#19013441)
Yes, I agree, but you can’t do that too often. People will eventually stop trusting your recommendations. I experienced something similar with their B-series that they highly promote. I stopped after watching 1-2 episodes. Now, I don’t even care to start anymore.
Re:Netflix Flexes by alexis_fr on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:17AM (#19015773)
My takeaway from Netflix:

- None of the blockbusters are available,

- Instead, you’ll find a pale B-series copy, oftentimes with plain cringy actors.

Seeing memes on facebook/9Gag, this impression is quite popular in teenagers too. And that’s a very, very bad reputation to have.

Re:Netflix Flexes by ericmcer on Sunday January 27, 2019 @04:55PM (#19014015)
It was almost amazing how popular and terrible that movie was. What’s gonna be next, a monster where if you smell it you die? It was just another blatant example of how you can get people to mainline the kool-aid with social media, marketing, and Fear of missing the current big thing.
Re:Netflix Flexes by DanBC on Sunday January 27, 2019 @05:02PM (#19014036)
It wasn't a terrible movie. It was reasonably well constructed and hit most of the right beats. But for middle-brow entertainment it's a perfectly good example of a monster movie.

You may be getting bored of this trope (DON'T USE THIS SENSE OR YOU DIE) but that doesn't make the individual films terrible.

Re:Netflix Flexes by V-2 on Monday January 28, 2019 @04:36AM (#19016196)
It was mediocre and ridden with plot-holes, even by the (very forgiving) genre standards.
Re:Netflix Flexes by throwaway415415 on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:01AM (#19015732)
It was a great movie.
Re:Netflix Flexes by dylan604 on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:30PM (#19015038)
I'm much more likely to give an unknown movie a chance sitting on my couch than I am making an effort to go to a theater. I will pretty much give anything a chance for 15-20 mins streaming, and have no qualm turning it off if I just don't like it. I have found some decent things this way, and just stop watching stinkers (more than I've enjoyed).

I believe this is has a huge portion of Netflix's ability to get tons of people to watch their content. Fish in a barrel, trapped audience, whatever cliché you prefer. Of course I agree with the hype machine and self-promo within their apps as you've described as well. Combined together, it's a powerful marketing/promotion result.

Re:Netflix Flexes by namdnay on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:06PM (#19013505)
To be fair, big studios have to convince you to pay to go see a film, Netflix just have to convince you to watch it “for free”
Re:Netflix Flexes by scarface74 on Sunday January 27, 2019 @10:52PM (#19015229)
Well, with our AMC stubs pass my wife and already pay monthly to see up to three movies a week. We are just as likely or not likely to go see a movie as we are to watch it on Netflix. The cost is just our time either way.
Re:Netflix Flexes by phs318u on Sunday January 27, 2019 @06:18PM (#19014385)
> Netflix was able to coerce more than half of its subscribers to watch this film

What definition of 'coerce' are you using? I'm a Netflix subscriber. I saw this thing popup in my feed. Had a glance. Read some articles about it. Doesn't sound overwhelmingly compelling to me. I've added it to 'My List' but keep finding other stuff to watch ahead of it. I suspect it will end up getting removed from my list without having been watched. I guess I'm in the other half of Netflix users?

Re:Netflix Flexes by throwaway415415 on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:02AM (#19015734)
You should watch it if you liked a quiet place. It's good.
Re:Netflix Flexes by iamgopal on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:27AM (#19015633)
Indian Netflix and Amazon prime are making originals that are border line porn with no story or acting or what so ever. They know one simple thing. Sex sells.
Re:Netflix Flexes by aviraldg on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:36AM (#19015823)
Do you have specific examples in mind? I've really liked most of their original content so far, like Sacred Games, Mirzapur, Rajma Chawal, Selection Day, etc.
Re:Netflix Flexes by wewake on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:41AM (#19015834)
What are those originals? I haven't come across such content made specifically for Indian viewers as you imply.
Re:Netflix Flexes by throwaway415415 on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:00AM (#19015731)
They just released Polar which is just a sequence of torture and gore scenes. Nothing else.
Re:Netflix Flexes by rospaya on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:07AM (#19016534)
> The idea is that Netflix was able to coerce more than half of its subscribers to watch this film.

How is this different from any other Netflix show/film? They can pay for marketing and force it to be recommended for all users, but that's about it. The difference is that Bird Box had a lot of viral potential and turned into a meme because of its content, not external factors.

Re:Netflix Flexes by talltimtom on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:46AM (#19015843)
They did more than just “a little reddit/facebook”, there where more posters in busses/metros/buildings than for any other single movie everywhere. They went big on all types of add spending, in addition to pushing it on their own platform.
Re:Netflix Flexes by rajacombinator on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:16PM (#19015009)
Netflix can push trash to all their viewers, but eventually if you push too much trash you lose your viewers. Their current model can’t work long term.
Re:Netflix Flexes by throwaway415415 on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:56AM (#19015719)
Are you implying that bird box was not a good movie? Because it was great.
Re:Netflix Flexes by bronco21016 on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:59AM (#19015728)
I think the implication is that it was a copy of ‘A Quiet Place’ which was a great movie. If you saw ‘A Quiet Place’ first ‘Bird Box’ was not great and left you wondering what all the hype was about.
Re:Netflix Flexes by cthalupa on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:00PM (#19020093)
People keep saying this, but I don't think it's particularly true, at least for me. I thought A Quiet Place was one of the dumbest movies I've seen, and that the weakness of the monsters would have been obvious once it was determined how they hunted, if not found completely incidentally through normal attempts at fighting them. It wasn't possible for me to suspend my disbelief because the movie outright uses the very thing I was saying "Seems like X would be effective on them, since they hunt using sound" about 30 seconds into the movie. Even ignoring that, A Quiet Place is about the monsters having mastery over a sense that we share.

Conversely, Bird Box is about robbing us of one of our senses. In one movie, you have to be quiet - you are robbed of a form of expression. But you can still see, you can still hear, you are attempting to hide. In the other, there is no attempt to hide, at least from the monsters or force or whatever you want to call it. You just have to deny yourself one of your most important senses to be safe.

They're both set in a post-apocalyptic world, or at least partially so, but that's hardly unique to them or something A Quiet Place invented.

I thought A Quiet Place was a bad movie with a flawed premise that prevented suspension of disbelief due to just how ridiculous the premise was, and then totally failing to subvert the ridiculousness. I saw it long before I saw Bird Box. I didn't think Bird Box was a great movie, but I did think that it was significantly more enjoyable than A Quiet Place.

Re:Netflix Flexes by jammygit on Sunday January 27, 2019 @06:06PM (#19014316)
Its not fair imho to underplay the movie itself. Maybe it wouldn't have done as well if it wasn't marketed as hard, but I didn't tell my friends about it because Netflix made me.

Bird Box was one of the best horror movies I've ever seen.

Re:Netflix Flexes by goostavos on Sunday January 27, 2019 @09:05PM (#19014976)
I'm going to be really, _really_ smug here, but you should probably branch out in your movie watching if Bird Box was the best horror movie you've ever seen.
Re:Netflix Flexes by jammygit on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:08AM (#19015593)
This is the most troll comment I've ever seen on hn