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Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by endorphone on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:26AM (#18067111)
I agree with the lauding of Shazam, but I am interested in your statement "I use it almost daily" -- what for? I've always viewed Shazam as a novelty and have installed and uninstalled it a few random times, but as Jobs would say it seems like a feature not a product.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by dylan604 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:32PM (#18067818)
As a DJ constantly looking for tracks to add to the collection. I listen to streaming music pretty constantly. For individual tracks with all of the metadata, the artist/track name info is provided. For listening to other DJ mixes, you just get the DJ name and mix name. Shazam tells me the specific track.

I also use My Shazams as a potential mix list. If I have an item in My Shazams, it caught my attention for some reason. Just putting those tracks together into a set has worked out pretty well. It gets tricky if I'm using my phone as the streaming source. At that point, I usually just take a screen grab. If it's an individual track, I have artist/track name, and if it's a mix, I can use the playhead position to narrow down which track it was later.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by snappieT on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:35PM (#18069738)
+1 on that usage.

If only Soundcloud/Mixcloud integrated it so you saw the current track while the mix played - likely avoided for copyright deniability?

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by r3bl on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @07:02PM (#18071294)
Mixcloud actually had that. Then they've switched over to only displaying the current track. Then they've made some shitty version of music recognition similar to Shazam, which simply does not work for this use case (every single time it detects something, which happens almost never, it disregards that it's an edit/bootleg/remix of a song and displays the original instead).

In fact, as an uploader, you can still see it (I don't know why), but not as a listener. As an example, here's a screenshot of me viewing my own upload: https://imgur.com/a/REpxOgx

Editing tools still allow you to post accurate timestamps: https://i.imgur.com/gZabJUx.png

There's also a browser extension that modifies Mixcloud pages to display the tracklists again, but they're useless since no uploader has an incentive to go through the painful process of entering timestamps, and that process is now crowdsourced anyway thanks to 1001tracklists.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:21PM (#18069571)
>As a DJ constantly looking for tracks to add to the collection. I listen to streaming music pretty constantly. For individual tracks with all of the metadata, the artist/track name info is provided. For listening to other DJ mixes, you just get the DJ name and mix name. Shazam tells me the specific track.

So a pretty narrow demographic for the feature though...

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by dylan604 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:19PM (#18070144)
>So a pretty narrow demographic for the feature though...

If you're only going to take one person's usage then, yeah, I guess it's pretty narrow. How about another example for from the same person. As a video editor I'm constantly having to find "hip/trendy/cool" music for video edits. These clients typically like music that I do not normally listen to, but I know it's something they would like when I hear it. I'll let it live in My Shazams until one day I need to find something. I've impressed more than one client with the ability to pull out a "fresh" song for them. Clients appreciate that sort of thing.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:30AM (#18073921)
>How about another example for from the same person.

How about it? We've just added video editor looking for cool music to DJ. We could add tens such cases more, but all those combined are still narrow demographics.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by pathseeker on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:32PM (#18069703)
Diabetes apps have a narrow demographic too. What's your point?
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:37AM (#18073961)
Diabetes apps operate on one of the most lucrative markets (health), and are essential and even life-saving for their demographic. Not a mere nicety for some creative professions...

Also, diabetes narrow? 30 million have it in the US, I'd say those are way more than DJs that need to recognize tunes, and have much more motive to use an app that helps them keep track of something that can have huge impact on their health...

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by parthdesai on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:40PM (#18069785)
I'm not a DJ, but i listen to electronic music mainly and it usually is on soundcloud in the form of sets. If 1001tracklist doesn't come through, Shazam is my go to app.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by mcphage on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:46AM (#18067366)
> I am interested in your statement "I use it almost daily" -- what for?

I'm not the original commenter, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest—they use it to find out what a song is that they hear & like?

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by theDoug on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:36AM (#18067256)
This "feature not a product" belief only makes sense if you pretend that the product doesn't provide the answer sought by its primary user and as byproduct produces a truly real-time stream/map of what music-enjoying people are interested in finding out more about.

This data would be incredibly valuable to companies trying to market and sell music. Like labels, and now, Apple. Not to mention keeping that data now out of the hands of others.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by endorphone on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:49AM (#18067399)
I mean a feature in a sense that it seems (although I assume I wrong and thus am asking) like something that one uses extremely rarely and offers limited utility. I have used Shazam a few times, and each time quickly install, use it, and remove it. I would have used it more if I could just ask Siri or Ok Google what a song was.

There is another reply to me that snarkily opines that the average HNer doesn't engage in social events, which is a bit humorous really because a more correct statement is that most people are socializing at social events, not doing inference on background music. I can say that I have never, ever seen another person pull out shazam in public.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by code_duck on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:41PM (#18069792)
You can ask Siri what the song is. One UI flaw is that music app is open or playing on your phone, she will name the active track. Otherwise, she will say ‘Listening...’ and then identify the song and artist, I think with iTunes links (or course!).
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:22PM (#18069586)
>This "feature not a product" belief only makes sense if you pretend that the product doesn't provide the answer sought by its primary user

It also makes sense if the scope of the product is not enough for it to make anyone pay for it (except as part of a larger product).

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by pathseeker on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:35PM (#18069736)
People don't pay for social networks either.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:28AM (#18073915)
Social networks have a big enough scope to make money otherwise (you're literally using them for hours on end every day).

That's not the case for an app you might take out a couple of times a day (at best) to check some tune for 10 seconds.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by briandear on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:25PM (#18070195)
And you give away privacy as a result.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by mclehman on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:08PM (#18070037)
I don't use Shazam since I have a Pixel 2 that does the same thing in the background, but I use track recognition every day to automatically populate a Spotify playlist with all the music it recognizes throughout the day. It's really nice to have a playlist to scroll back through when I find myself asking "what was that cool song I heard yesterday?”
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by acjohnson55 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:03PM (#18072115)
I probably use it once every couple weeks. So not quite daily, but certainly regularly. If you're a musically inclined person, Shazam is a superpower.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by alfredmuffin on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:35AM (#18067252)
I can't speak for who you're replying to, but I find myself using it at restaurants, bars, and public locations where music is playing, as well as friends' cars, and other social gatherings. I know these sort of situations are rare for the average HN user.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by meowface on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:24PM (#18069603)
I don't go out much, but when I do, most music I've experienced seems to be tolerable at best and ear-assault at worst. I can only think of maybe 2 or 3 times in the past decade where I've heard music in a public location and was interested enough to want to know what song it was.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by alfredmuffin on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:42PM (#18069810)
> I don't go out much

Behold, the average HN user I was referring to

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by meowface on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @06:06PM (#18070933)
It was an unrelated point, though. I'm not sure going out more would result in me finding more music I enjoy, unless I heavily vary where I go.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by Cyph0n on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @11:58AM (#18067485)
> I know these sort of situations are rare for the average HN user.

A generalization if I ever saw one.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by bsder on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @02:26PM (#18069048)
Foghorn Leghorn has some comments for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE

And the original Senator Claghorn that Foghorn Leghorn was channeling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBE92naflJ0

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by Mononokay on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @12:29PM (#18067793)
Have you ever heard about the concept of the "joke?" Novelty thing, I tell you. Admittedly, it might be a bit too recent of a concept for the average person to be aware of, especially with how radical it is.

Here's a recent book of them, to help you get "in" on the "hip slang" of tomorrow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philogelos

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Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by alfredmuffin on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @01:00PM (#18068130)
People like you take the fun out of this community
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by DonHopkins on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @05:20PM (#18070584)
An Abderite sees a eunuch talking with a woman and asks him if she's his wife. The guy responds that a eunuch is unable to have a wife. "Ah, so she's your daughter?"
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:23PM (#18069597)
They're also rare for anyone over 30 to care about (if not the situations themselves, what some random soundtrack to them is). Give it time...
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by alfredmuffin on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:01PM (#18069970)
Yup. I too completely lost interest in music when I hit 30

/s

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:14AM (#18073844)
Yup, because it matters what some outliers do when it comes to statements about the general population ("it's also rare")

/s

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by alfredmuffin on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:33AM (#18075720)
I think I misunderstood ... what exactly is rare?
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @05:24PM (#18080410)
People being as interested to follow new music after 30-40 as opposed in their teens early 20s...
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by ZeikJT on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:25AM (#18084786)
Seems possible, do you have studies or statistical data showing this?
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by iainmerrick on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @03:45PM (#18069832)
Other people might be different from you.
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:24AM (#18073888)
A correct statement based on three wrong assumptions.

1) That I've lost interest in music myself (I didn't).

2) That whether some other people might not lose music was disputed. Perhaps you imagined me as some strange creature in a cave that has never heard or known of people that maintain their interest in music to their late age.

3) That the fact that some other people don't lose interest in music is relevant. I was making a general statement ("it's also rare"). Most people do lose interest in music compared to their younger years. That's not some fringe claim, it's borne out by buying patterns and studies. People tend to stick to the music of their youth time and again. Even the new artists they discover tend to be of the same genres and styles in vogue when they were younger.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by iainmerrick on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @05:34AM (#18074266)
Even if so, why would that mean older people have no use for Shazam? Have you never heard an old song you half-recognized and thought “huh, what band is that again?”
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @07:52AM (#18074934)
>why would that mean older people have no use for Shazam?

It doesn't mean "older people have no use for Shazam".

It means "as it has been observed statistically, _most_ older people don't seem to have a use for Shazam and any random older person is more likely to fall into that category than the rest of the older people".

Carl Craig is old too.

>Have you never heard an old song you half-recognized and thought “huh, what band is that again?”

Yes, but this is not such a large part of the older demographic's lifestyle for the app to matter much to them.

Old people also want to send their dickpicks too, but they don't flock to Snapchat.

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by akaralar on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @07:52AM (#18074936)
I would dispute 3, listening to the same genre doesn't imply you lost interest in music, because being interested doesn't comprise only of listening to the different genres. According to your definition if you listen to the same genres 7/24 your whole life, it means you lost interest in music after 30?
Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by coldtea on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:47PM (#18080124)
Listening to the same genre means that you're not as willing to search anymore. So even if you're still interested in _your_ kinds of music, you're not interest in exploring the musical landscape as much as you did -- your preferences have solidified.

But, honestly, I don't know how all this is controversial, unless someone is 20 and all their friends are too.

I'd expect anybody over 30 or so to verify that even if music is still a big deal for them, it's not as much for most of their friends as it was in their teen years and early 20s.

Unless you're 30 and all your friends are eg. DJs and techno-heads or heavy-metal fans still rocking those leather pants, the usual course is that they are more interesting in their careers, families, new babies, and binge watching TV and surfing, than following music, even if that was a big part of their identity in their teens. Is that inaccurate?

Re:Apple has completed its acquisition of Shazam by briandear on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @04:26PM (#18070208)
By 30, I had already committed every song to memory so I no longer needed Shazam.