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Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by reolbox on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:27AM (#16761769)
For 22 years I used toilet paper until I traveled to South East Asia where every toilet has a seperate sprinkler. After a few toilet visits I decided to give it a GO. Man, toilet paper feels strange and plain stupid now. Water is way cheaper, doesn't hurt your "behind" and I feel cleaner afterwards. Paper seems an invention to sell something we really don't need (by Mad Men :-)).
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by tikkabhuna on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:16AM (#16763444)
After our trip to Cambodia we wanted to bring the "Bum Gun" to the UK. For those who haven't tried it, it's the weirdest thing and sounds disgusting.

To quote a crazy Canadian we met, "if you had poo on your arm and you wiped it off with toilet paper, would you say its clean?"

That said, SE Asia really lends itself to the Bum Gun. Its warm and can be humid, so you're not really worried about being a bit damp afterwards. I can't imagine being in a suit in cold UK winter and using one.

Looking forward to trying a Japanese toilet with those sprays...

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Johnny555 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:01AM (#16764951)
"if you had poo on your arm and you wiped it off with toilet paper, would you say its clean?"

If you had poo on your arm and rinsed it with a gentle spray of plain water, would you say it's clean?

If I had poo on my arm, I'd use soap and water to clean it then rinse well. Of course, if my arm was what was generating the poo, I'd probably be less fastidious about keeping it clean and free of poo. And I'd see a doctor.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by rocho on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:42PM (#16768252)
> If I had poo on my arm, I'd use soap and water to clean it then rinse well.

That is why the only acceptable option is using a bidet, with soap of course. It boggles my mind that some people can withstand even the thought of cleaning themselves with just paper or wet wipes.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by deftturtle on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:20PM (#16787434)
Animals don't use toilet paper or bidets.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by fredley on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:25AM (#16793190)
Animals don't have oversized glutes that allow them to stand upright, and run long distances to catch prey, and a high fat/carb, low fibre diet that most humans have.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by atomical on Monday April 09, 2018 @12:31AM (#16790390)
Ever had an intelligent conversation with one?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:16AM (#16765069)
>If I had poo on my arm, I'd use soap and water to clean it then rinse well.

This is the correct answer.

Baby wipes or go home.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dominotw on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:26AM (#16765756)
Plumbing wasn't designed for them in most places. Most of them are not really "flushable" like they claim.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by daniel-alex on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:18AM (#16771965)
Thankfully we also invented rubbish bins to dispose of stuff instead of throwing it down our pipes.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Raphmedia on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:53PM (#16766597)
That's because people use "face wipes" instead of "wet wipes" meant to be used for the bum.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by infecto on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:20PM (#16766845)
Nope. At least from all the articles I have seen from different waste treatment plants in America. Those wipes that are advertised as flushable don't breakdown that much and they just end up getting pulled out at the waste treatment plant.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Raphmedia on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:40PM (#16767064)
That's because you are not buying the right ones. Real biodegradable & flushable wipes are okay for waste treatment plants. You need to purchase those that do not contain any trace of plastic fibers.

If you are so worried about clogging anything, put them in the compost bin.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by raintrees on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:12PM (#16767419)
And then there are those of us on a septic system - "Septic safe" still causes issues.

And do not get me started on antibacterials... RID dosages to the rescue! (not necessarily a product endorsement).

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dominotw on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:14PM (#16766795)
No. Not really. flushable bum wipes are not really flushable.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Raphmedia on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:33PM (#16766973)
What? You can't say "no" to an entire line of products. Simply make sure that you buy wipes that are flushable AND biodegradable. Flushable simply means that the wipe will make it out of your home. You also need to live in a country where there are rules in place stopping manufacturer from lying on the packets.

If they are made of, let's say, viscose rayon which is wood pulp (well, any compatible plant fiber) there's no reason why it would clog anything at the processing plant.

Edit: Well, it would also depend on how your local plant processes waste. Give them a call and ask them.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dTal on Friday April 06, 2018 @10:21AM (#16773409)
How is it possible to design a wipe that 1) does not disintegrate when wet inside its box and 2) disintegrates when wet in a sewage system?

Even Andrex's maximally biodegradable 'flushable washlets' offering contains 2% plastic fibers.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Fnoord on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:39PM (#16768994)
I'm not sure about which of the two is the best solution with regards to hemorrhoids but I use "wet toilet paper" in combination with normal (dry). Dry -> wet -> dry -> usually done. It works good enough for me, and I am pretty sure that a little bit of soap and water wouldn't make my hands clean if I had poo on them. Because when I wash my ass under the shower or in the morning, and it smells a bit like poo, that smell is hard to get rid of. The question is of course whether that's a problem from a hygiene PoV. From a smell PoV, I do not want to smell poo on my hands except from my newborn. That poo I don't mind.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by srean on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:34PM (#16768584)
> gentle spray of plain water

gentle, my eye. Here its usually forceful enough that it seems it would fountain out through my head. IMO way better than smearing things around and calling it clean.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:15AM (#16765059)
>Looking forward to trying a Japanese toilet with those sprays...

Why wouldn't you just use the 3 seashells?

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by andrepd on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:19AM (#16763735)
>if you had poo on your arm and you wiped it off with toilet paper, would you say its clean?

Whoa...

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by JustSomeNobody on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:32AM (#16764195)
Do those sprays have the pressure and duration to really spray everything down?

I can poor water from a bottle of water onto the poo on my arm and I'd still think it'd be unclean. I'd need some positive pressure to think otherwise. Oh, and some soap.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Idontknowmyuser on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:10AM (#16765030)
I've been Tunisia where they had a hose like this in the hotel, as you can see it has variable pressure, and even without setting it to the maximum it's sufficient.

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/b7/48/74/...

Some of them also have variable temperature.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by peletiah on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:13AM (#16764552)
Combine it with your hand and you get clean, even better when there's soap. Then wash your hands properly.

On our bicycle-journey through Asia we had a dedicated squeezable poo-bottle and poo-soap ("Kackflasche" and "Kackseife" in German).

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:23AM (#16765142)
Googled "kackflasche".

Was disappointed.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by tikkabhuna on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:14AM (#16765048)
10 minutes later he used the hostel toilet and came back saying that it had torn him a new one.

You know a high pressure hose that pushes back when you spray it? It was like that. Vicious.

In terms of duration, it was just like a normal tap, I assume fed by the local water supply so you're not limited.

I'd use it for max 10 seconds to feel fresh.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Chris2048 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:51AM (#16764370)
I'd say most people (in west) have shitty arses.

Sometimes, while in a toilet cubicle, I hear other people wipe once or twice, then leave - their arses are definitely shitty.

Me - I bring in a cup of water, and wet the paper to give my arse a proper shine.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by overcast on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:38AM (#16764777)
Not everyone has messy shit. I often have literally nothing on the toilet paper. Increase your vegetables, and fiber.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by tslug on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:57PM (#16766634)
Agreed. Switching to vegan brought my TP use way down. Becoming gluten-free, however, was so transformative down there that I'm still having trouble adjusting.

I usually tear off the sheets before I'm done, so that if I go multiple rounds, my TP is prepped. Usually, that means I tear off 3-4 strips of 2 squares each if it's thick paper, or strips of 3 squares if thin. After going gluten-free, I rarely end up using all the strips, and I'd say about a third the time, I'm done after using my first two squares of it, so the rest is wasted.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dominotw on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:28AM (#16765768)
depends on how furry your butt is. I have the south asian furry butt curse.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by overcast on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:09PM (#16766748)
Nah, just doesn't come out all sticky. Definitely a hairy ass.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Chris2048 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:35AM (#16765252)
I doubt it has literally nothing on it. You can eat nothing but fiber, but bowel mucous is still dirty.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by blarg1 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:16PM (#16766233)
Haven't you ever done a shit that when you wipe there's nothing on the toilet paper?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Chris2048 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:11PM (#16766773)
Nothing visually, I don't consider the paper clean.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by washadjeffmad on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:16AM (#16772927)
I don't understand who would fade for your views on this, and there's no reply explaining so I'll chime in: you're right and I agree.

You can think that you've won the poo lottery by pinching one off that seems to wipe clean, but no one is going to recommend sticking that paper back on the roll or putting it in their pocket to wipe their child's face with later just because they don't see anything on it. That's absurdity, and anyone arguing otherwise knows they wouldn't do the same because they don't actually believe it's clean.

That "clean" paper has enough on it to inoculate a fecal assay, and for some people, that's enough to cause issues. There's also the case of it wiping clean but not being completely cleared yet. Not everyone needs maintenance wipes, so not everyone even knows or understands how unreliable wiping as an indicator is.

The mods of HN are suffering from wipe privilege, and it needs to be addressed.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by michaelbuckbee on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:38AM (#16765287)
Some googling found this informative (and entirely SFW) "bum gun" video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V32m3FZbjg

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by devmunchies on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:31AM (#16764718)
> if you had poo on your arm and you wiped it off with toilet paper, would you say its clean?

My dad says the same thing but he uses wet wipes.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by aeorgnoieang on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:59AM (#16764938)
Those things are supposedly hell on every septic, and even (older?) sewer, system.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Cerium on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:09AM (#16765013)
You can put them in the trash.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by mygo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:33PM (#16766975)
If you had poo on your butt, would you wipe it off with toilet paper and throw it in the trash?

No because it would stink up the place and someone can touch your poo while taking out the trash

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Fnoord on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:43PM (#16769025)
> No because it would stink up the place and someone can touch your poo while taking out the trash

How about menstruation pads? Are you afraid to touch those as well when you take out the trash? Because what you said is true for anything which resides in a trash bin or compost bin. Heck, my plastic bin sometimes smells like rotten fish. It is disgusting. But that's what you get when you eat fish.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Cerium on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:59PM (#16769888)
Yes. I've spent time in countries with poor plumbing systems and picked up the habit. I've found that it does not stink up the trash since it dries quickly. Additionally, if you put the poo side down it all stacks up in the bin until you take it out. Since I started doing this at home I have not had to unclog a toilet.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:17AM (#16765079)
How do you get them from the stall to the trash?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Raphmedia on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:54PM (#16766604)
Women's bathrooms have trash cans in the cubicle.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:21PM (#16766866)
Mind. blown.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Fnoord on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:41PM (#16769016)
Unisex bathrooms do as well.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by devmunchies on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:28AM (#16765769)
you bundle it like a paper basketball and shoot it from the stall.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:23PM (#16766882)
Boy was my aim way off! Will have to put some more work in on my sky-hook.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by josefresco on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:29AM (#16765786)
You must be talking about a public toilet? I think most "normal" or home toilet routines go out the window when using a public restroom.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by chimprich on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:02PM (#16766681)
I don't think throwing them out of the window is the answer either.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by raintrees on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:15PM (#16767464)
And then there is the mountain-climbing poo experience... I would guess that eventually (when the plastic degrades) there is some rather lush, fertile groundscaping at the foot of some of those places.

I have raised chickens, after a year or so to "cook" (I am a low-intensity composter) we end up with some pretty rich compost.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by devmunchies on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:28AM (#16765775)
probably less so than tampons though, but that doesn't make it right I guess.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:21AM (#16765125)
Has he been able to solve the problem of bridging the gap between the bathroom stall and the waste bin? Ir does he flush them? Most stalls in the colonies don't have waste bins in the stall. So you are faced with the problem of how to dispose of your dirty nappies. If you walk out of the stall to the vin before going to wash your hands you will be on the business end of some odd looks. This why most wet wipers flush. There are, however, alternative methodologies.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by devmunchies on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:26AM (#16765753)
He owns his own business (funeral home) so he has his own bathroom for employees. He's hardly ever at a public restroom so I don't know what he does. I recall him carrying around a 10 pack of disposable wipes so he probably flushes them.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by bhnmmhmd on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:04AM (#16762526)
Agreed. They use water in Iran, too. Other than religious considerations (that only water will really clean mess), it actually feels better and cleaner.

Plus, their toilets have a different shape, something like this:

https://behsakala.com/image/cache/data/products/-پارمیس-گلسا...

As far as I've heard, this form of toilet is better and easier for colons.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by afroboy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:14AM (#16762589)
All Arabs and Muslim countries use water to clean too, and that toilet too is used by 90% in Arabs homes and in public toilet is considered must have since it's easy to clean.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Chris2048 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:52AM (#16764386)
A good spray helps clean the toilet bowl of poop too, which is ten times harder once it dries to the porcelain..
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by tomcooks on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:20AM (#16762628)
Easier to wash too, and to lose your smartphone into
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by user5454 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:44AM (#16763848)
But worse for your knees...
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by badosu on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:46AM (#16763860)
Squatting is a more natural position for evacuating
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by chimeracoder on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:40AM (#16764277)
A proper squat puts zero pressure on the knees. That's why people with ACL injuries are still able to do squats.

Grab a copy of a basic barbell weightlifting book, and you'll see - it'll say the same thing.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by aeorgnoieang on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:03AM (#16764969)
Maybe what the other commenter was referring to was something like weak leg muscles that manifest as pain in or around the knee.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by zhte415 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:16PM (#16770206)
A lot depends on the age from which you've been squatting. I don't mean weight-lift squats, just squatting on the ground.

Most people from Asia are able to squat pretty comfortably, comfortably as in heel on the ground and not exerting any calf or knee tension, having done it since childhood. Most Western Europeans and Americans can no, the heel of the foot doesn't rest on the ground and squatting is done on the ball of the foot therefore calf and knee pressure.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by nerdwaller on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:26AM (#16762046)
After traveling through a decent portion of China I tend to agree. The design of the “facilities” (e.g. “squatty potty”) in a lot of locations made a few in my group question toilet paper all together. Though being back in the states there are a lot of weird looks trying to find ways to mimic the stance...

A few years after my time there I saw the “Squatty Potty”[0] on Shark Tank, but haven’t tried it. Anyone with thoughts?

[0]: https://www.squattypotty.com/

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by carlmr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:18AM (#16762609)
I like Chinese toilets as well, but I think they're a hard sell here. They're more hygienic (no touching), better for health (in terms of poop position) and simpler to clean (just mop the whole floor and you're done).
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by ivanche on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:38AM (#16763819)
An honest question: how these handle when you have to drop a "scatter bomb"?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by loxs on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:33AM (#16764211)
When you are in that position, it doesn't scatter, or at least my limited experience on the topic says so.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by carlmr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:29AM (#16764168)
Never had an issue, you just have to squat deep enough.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dancek on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:32AM (#16762362)
I use things similar to that Squatty Potty and it feels better for me. I discovered this a couple of years ago. Coincidentally we have brand name ones at work, but any stable platform will do--my favorite might be this kids' stool from Ikea: https://m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/art/60248418/
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by donatj on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:39AM (#16763822)
Having not used such a contraption, it always seems to me that the same thing could be achieved by leaning forward without one?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by omgbananas on Saturday April 07, 2018 @06:51PM (#16783494)
I lean forward (elbows resting on thighs). I've always done it. I never even thought it was a thing not to lean forward until I saw/heard advertisements for the Squatty Potty.

That, spreading cheeks when sitting down, and a decent diet means almost zero clean up.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dancek on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:41AM (#16765892)
It might be possible, but at least for me achieving the same position in a different rotation requires a lot of strength (due to gravity). And I can't poop while flexing half of my muscles.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by 23478s882u on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:14AM (#16764058)
A squatting posture made a big difference for me. I get more thoroughly emptied out more easily. I literally need to go less often than I used to.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by jasonkester on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:41AM (#16763280)
The "hose" is a recent innovation. You can still find the old version occasionally, consisting of a big bucket of water and a smaller bucket for scooping.

But yeah, once you've discovered the beauty of the hose, it's hard to go back. Worse is traveling in other tropical parts of the world with bad plumbing, where the solution to the same problem is "giant garbage bag filled with used toilet paper".

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by weeksie on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:25AM (#16765743)
Yeah, when I got back from spending about a year in SEA I immediately bought a TOTO for my apartment. Now I dread having to go when I'm out and being forced to use a barbarian toilet. I can't _wait_ for the States to catch on.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by akkat on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:56AM (#16762194)
Do you dry yourself before putting your pants on? If so how?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by nashashmi on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:12AM (#16763418)
This is the most important. Use toilet paper before and after water use to ensure cleanness.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by jm547ster on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:04AM (#16762840)
The hand towel
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by hn_user2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:46AM (#16763300)
Or TP to dry.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:26AM (#16765163)
I carry a portable electric hair dryer. It's rechargable and lasts about a day.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by O_H_E on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:14AM (#16763427)
As an Arab and now not living in the Middle East. I feel just sick trying to clean with toilet paper
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by lsc on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:03AM (#16762521)
So, my current employers have the, uh, washlets you describe, real high grade ones with a heater and a dryer. And I use them for the wash cycle, but I've found that I still prefer to dry off using toilet paper; the air dry function, even though it's heated just takes to damn long.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by 4ad on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:54AM (#16762790)
Just like those stupid hand air driers at public facilities. God, how I hate those. Americans have it easy, in general paper towels are available even when the damn air thing is installed. But here in Europe, most often you only get the stupid air machine with no paper towels.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by krageon on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:44AM (#16763039)
The high end ones take maybe 20s to dry your hands off. Properly drying your hands with paper towels takes at least as long and it wastes paper. What is your problem with an air dryer?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by 4ad on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:53AM (#16763072)
No, it doesn't take 20 seconds, even a 2 (two!) second wipe job does a better job at drying than 30s of air. Apart from that, air driers are incredibly unsanitary, spreading stuff everywhere.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/news/20141121/restroom-h...

Also see this episode of mythbusters, which goes into much more depth than the synopsis on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(2013_season)#Epis...

And the high-end ones, which are only marginally better, are very, very loud. Loud enough to trigger tinnitus in myself, for example.

Paper towels don't "waste" paper, they use paper (of which there's no shortage of, in the world) very efficiently. Plus in Germany and Portugal (at least) they have these reusable cloth towels that move between two spools.

If I don't have towels of any kind, I just wipe my hands on my clothes. It's not great but it sure beats the damn useless contraption.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by distances on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:38AM (#16763815)
> And the high-end ones, which are only marginally better, are very, very loud. Loud enough to trigger tinnitus in myself, for example.

I basically don't use air dryers any more due to the infernal noise of the new ones. I'd rather go with wet hands.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by neeleshs on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:36AM (#16763258)
Or carry a kerchief in your pocket.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by VVyattPrentice on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:29AM (#16765193)
This.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dotancohen on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:04AM (#16763376)
A side benefit of the paper towel is that in-swinging doors can be pulled with the paper, not your hand. Imagine how many people _didn't_ wash their hands then pulled that door.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by _asummers on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:15AM (#16764063)
Trivially fixable by a little foot hook on the bottom of the door intended to be used to open the door after you're done.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Rhinobird on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:41PM (#16767761)
What if you have no foot? Or the foot hook isn't there? Or you have to turn a knob?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by 4ad on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:11AM (#16763412)
Plus pipelining.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by stedaniels on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:52AM (#16763071)
You answered your own question. "The high end ones" all others take anywhere from 30 seconds to infinity. I can probably dry my hands on a paper towel in about 4 or 5 seconds max. I don't feel strongly enough about the subject to argue either way, just adding some more data points to your view on the matter.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Illotus on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:16AM (#16763715)
Paper towels are much more sanitary. Big part of washing hands is wiping the bacteria and viruses along with water into something. Drying just gets the water, leaves everything else.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by kqr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:59AM (#16763951)
No. It's a nice idea, but doesn't hold up. (Gustafson, Vetter, et al. 2000)
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Illotus on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:20AM (#16764099)
I rather trust a fairly recent review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3538484/
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by dalore on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:07AM (#16764011)
Only one person can use it at a time, and it wastes energy. Paper is recyclable, and more need for paper means more trees. Paper is low tech and works, and is more hygenic.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by spathi_fwiffo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:53PM (#16767201)
I hate it when there are only air dryers in a restroom. Towels can dry anything. Dryers are special built for hands. (sometimes i like to wash my face)

also, the level of noise pollution they create is toxic. Especially the high end/high speed ones.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by qwtel on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:48AM (#16785109)
the problem is that you are actively doing something with the paper towel, while you passively wait for the air dryer.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by emiliosic on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:47PM (#16767147)
It's called Bidet, from the french word. Bidets are very common in southern Europe. Bidets are more common in Mexico and parts of Canada than US. Anglo regions are behind on the trend here.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by darklajid on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:17AM (#16762294)
There are lots of places here in SG that have these toilets. They ... freak me out, tbh. Mostly because I have not the faintest idea how you'd use them and "So, how do you do your business" is not among the list of conversations I want to have.

This whole floor (hosting six companies I think?) in a prominent office tower has one shared male restroom. Two booths. One is usable for me, the other one the scary thing. Most people, locals included, fight for the single seat..

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by inapis on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:55AM (#16762795)
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by onetimemanytime on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:50AM (#16763059)
>> Mostly because I have not the faintest idea how you'd use them

Once you get a stomach bug and you should have gone to the bathroom a minute ago you'll figure it out :) . Hint: It's like the old days, like we've been doing it for millennia, if not millions of years. https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+use+squat+toilet

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by pzs on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:47AM (#16762436)
May be a naïve question: have you tried googling the topic?
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by darklajid on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:25AM (#16762935)
I honestly did. But the descriptions (just like the StackExchange link's replies) are utterly alien to me (squat..? How?) and I haven't found it in me to go on a video hunt (the StackExchange one links to something which supposedly is safe and helpful).
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by hsrada on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:33AM (#16763516)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dKkryfdtMNQ

Not sure how I feel about sharing this here but yeah, this should answer some of those questions.

The Youtuber is.. A 'comedian'..

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by RichardCA on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:16PM (#16767478)
Thanks, I was waiting for someone to post that one. :)
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Cthulhu_ on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:52AM (#16763069)
> (squat..? How?)

This is a thing for westerners; the squat position (with feet flat on the floor) is really hard to do for a lot of them, iirc mostly having to do with ankle flexibility (for me personally anyway). In countries with squat toilets the people are a lot more used to the position / motion. I guess most people could get by with doing a toe squat, but that's harder to keep balance.

Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by moosekaka on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:18AM (#16764082)
this always amazes me...it is like telling me some population of humans cant raise their hands over their shoulders..
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by pbhjpbhj on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:30AM (#16763499)
Yes, ankles, after 18 months learning Shotokan karate I can almost do a squat now, kids can do it with ease. I think with a toe squat you can't relax as much, which makes it difficult to open your sphincter.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by Doxin on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:56AM (#16763084)
Just pretend you're taking a dump on the floor. You stand over the hole and squat down any which way seems comfortable and just let your droppings... drop.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by samhain on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:49PM (#16770094)
Maybe I'm weird, but I've been spitting on toilet paper for years.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by ivanhoe on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:34PM (#16766404)
You can use toilet paper, and then in addition wash yourself afterwards. That's what bidets are used for by most of Europeans.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by theprotocol on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:11AM (#16762269)
I'd be afraid of the sprinkler collecting fecal and other matter, and am not too eager to nebulize that onto my behind.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by m_mueller on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:38AM (#16762722)
It's not really an issue. It sprays from an angle below that should minimize sprayback (no idea whether that is a word), plus you just clean it when doing the normal toilet cleaning. For sure is better than those overfull American toilets that welcome your butt with splash toilet water everytime you drop something.
Re:What Did Ancient Romans Do Without Toilet Paper? by jakevn on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:59PM (#16766657)
The $300 add-on unit I have does self-cleaning after every use. When the sprayer retracts, it again sprays, but since there is now plastic directly above it, it cleans off the sprayer head on the rebound.