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Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by hbosch on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:53AM (#15466710)
If I order toilet paper via my Google Home, where does it come from? Wal Mart or Target? How long for shipping? If they send me dog food instead, how do I get in touch with customer service? Is it Google's customer service or Target's?

I don't see how this is a threat to Amazon. People don't shop there because they have voice -- they shop there because I can Prime myself anything in 2 days or less and if it's messed up I can talk to a human being and find out why. I'd hate to try and get the same kind of service via Google and Target.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by viperscape on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:06PM (#15466822)
With that said, I’m really irked that amazon is using “private” shipping companies, I’m tired of seeing joe schmoes ring my bell in their Honda Civic or uhaul rental van, with my goods, my address, and seeing my house and family. They even take pictures with cell phone of package at door, wtf. Is there any background check, nope. Stick to a professional shipping company and not fly by night, random folks please
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by glibgil on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:30PM (#15467108)
Random folks doing odd jobs is good. It puts responsibility back on society. Rather than background checks done by an employer, we should regulate industry. The equivalent of a food handlers license for customer privacy and safety for Uber drivers, Amazon delivers and Walmart greeters and even your bank manager and CPA would be better for society
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by notfromhere on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:45PM (#15467760)
It's not really good for the random folks either; those jobs pay shit wages and offer no benefits
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by Theodores on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:48PM (#15467292)
That is a good idea. If you sell ice cream in the street you still need a Pedlar's License in the UK. If it is a school fete and you are selling ice cream to passers-by in the street then that is still law breaking but if you are doing that one day in a year in a small village with the money going to charity then that can be overlooked, but every day? I think you would be closed down soon.

I think the gig economy should have a similar Pedlar's License. There should be some paperwork. Maybe no more hard than Basic Food Hygiene that you get working in the food trade.

This would also allow local authorities to refuse. So if they didn't want the food delivery guys then they could just restrict licences.

Standards, e.g. lights on bikes, MOST for cars, all should be part of this license for doing door to door deliveries.

Standardisation could result in no drivers getting it wrong whether hired the UPS or FedEx way.

If the driver ID was a standardized way of doing tracking then that could even be part of the final mile procedure.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by kbenson on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:53PM (#15467848)
More licensure with requirements for using the license might be good for a gig economy, but likely only if we have some way of vetting licenses for general usefulness, so they aren't just ways to limit a market and protect the existing license holders and not the public.[1]

If we had rules about what a license should promote (such as public safety, accountability, etc) and what it should try to prevent (rent seeking, protectionism) and metrics by which to measure this (even if an impartial panel), we could possible greatly increase the number of licenses we require while also lowering the bar of entry for many existing licensed businesses.

I understand this would be a tricky path to take. It's layering bureaucracy, which is often problematic. But I'm not sure we necessarily want random unaccountable people driving around throwing packages at us, nor doctors practicing without experience, and I don't think having to pay $1000 and take a one week course for licensure to deliver packages for Amazon is useful either.

1: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/04/14/524007928/episo...

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by KekDemaga on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:45PM (#15467261)
YES! finally the 3rd party shipper Amazon uses will be as convenient and efficient as the postal service!
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by colordrops on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:16PM (#15466943)
Have you had any actual problems with these "fly by night" shipping companies? Do "schmoes" not work at Fedex and UPS?
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by Applejinx on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:28PM (#15467080)
The end game is squeezing margins down until only house thieves are motivated to take such jobs, and either disclaiming responsibility or trying to manage it so few enough people get attacked/robbed/etc by predators signing up to deliver for whatever the ultra-budget-shipping thing is. And of course in the end the whole thing gets automated, but until then the strategy is to squeeze shipping as hard as possible, because employing safe people is part of the margin and it's cheaper if they're a lot more ephemeral.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by colordrops on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:30PM (#15468634)
This all sounds like FUD. Have you personally had any problems with delivery people or have any data on problems in the aggregate?
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjeaff on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:06PM (#15467952)
Why would a house thief waste time delivering packages?

Not only would that not help your thieving at all, but the company that hired you having all your info on file would make you much more likely to get caught. Assuming you are robbing houses you can deliver too.

Putting on a fake delivery uniform and carrying around boxes that aren't meant to be delivered makes a lot more sense if you just need to case the houses before robbing.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jbob2000 on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:54PM (#15468338)
Nobody has a career of being a "house thief", it's always a crime of opportunity. Given the low barrier to entry for delivery, they are good jobs for people coming out of jail or people with low education levels. So Joe Schmoe comes to your house, sees easy access to your backyard where your expensive BBQ sits, and wonders "shit, I could make a quick hundred bucks stealing that tonight, I already have the truck to move it!"
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by DanBC on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:00PM (#15468385)
> Nobody has a career of being a "house thief", it's always a crime of opportunity.

plenty of people have life long careers of house burglary.

here are two, but there are very many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/burglar-with-crim...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12187965/Career...

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by c22 on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:45PM (#15467770)
You don't need to get a job delivering packages to rob someone's house.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjeaff on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:07PM (#15467960)
Nor would it be a good idea or helpful in any way to a thief. You would be robbing homes that someone somewhere has a list of, which is tied to your name.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjawssd on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:05PM (#15467945)
The research opportunity certainly increases the ROI
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by Chaebixi on Friday October 13, 2017 @04:17PM (#15468934)
> Have you had any actual problems with these "fly by night" shipping companies? Do "schmoes" not work at Fedex and UPS?

Yes. Fedex, UPS, and USPS drivers clearly have a much better grasp of how to correctly handle delivery exception scenarios. That's probably because they actually train their employees, and schedule them so they can learn their routes. You're never going to get that with with the short-term gig-economy randos Amazon hires.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by grasshopperpurp on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:11PM (#15467473)
We have had problems with them marking items delivered that are not, but I know USPS has done this, and I expect UPS and FedEx have as well. It's not a big deal, especially since Amazon will send replacements without issue, but it is a little annoying. It is strange to receive mail from someone wearing a wife beater, and, in my experience, the drivers are much curter than USPS, UPS, or FedEx drivers, but I haven't come across anything that would cause me to file a complaint.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by wickawic on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:24PM (#15467037)
I have never seen a UPS employee throw a package at my house
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by anotherproj on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:32PM (#15467132)
There is an entire website dedicated to UPS employees throwing packages: http://dontthrowmypackage.com/category/ups/
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by tyingq on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:29PM (#15467090)
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjeaff on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:08PM (#15467968)
Ha. I'll assume you are being sarcastic.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by aeotnhu0923nt on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:12PM (#15468484)
I doubt it. We just moved, but in our previous neighborhood, we knew the UPS guy who did our deliveries. It was always the same guy, and he was great! He even gave us some great tips on where to vacation! I knew about his family probably more than he knew about ours.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by iamdave on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:29PM (#15467088)
Is there any background check, nope.

Yes, actually there are background checks.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjeaff on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:09PM (#15467982)
Are there background checks for ups or FedEx drivers? Many FedEx drivers are actually contractors as well.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by DoctorNick on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:19PM (#15466975)
how dare these dirty proles touch my precious package
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by maxxxxx on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:36PM (#15467183)
From my experience the probability of receiving a damaged package is much higher with OnTrac than with UPS or Fedex for example.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by genericone on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:34PM (#15467151)
Clear ad-hominem attack if I've ever seen one. Maybe the comment could have been better phrased as a question:

What is actually unprofessional about Amazon contracting package delivery to random individuals?

I'm not in favor of it, but I haven't thought about it enough to have a good argument about the topic. @viperscape does bring up good points though: personal vehicles and the perception that Amazon has "granted permission" to random people to enter property and handle their goods. What are the arguments in favor or Amazon's new delivery model?

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by slackingoff2017 on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:52PM (#15467836)
Lol. I'm sure random people walk around your house all the time unless you're in the middle of nowhere.

What's stopping a random guy from walking around taking pictures through all the windows when they see you leave? Nothing. Dude just dresses up like the meter reader and does whatever he wants. Even if you "catch" the guy he did nothing illegal. In most places it's totally fine to stroll around on other people's land unless "no trespassing" is clearly marked. Got one of those big signs in your front yard?

If you ever leave the house I'm sure pictures of you with your family have been streamed on countless webcams over the years and probably live TV.

You have no real security unless you've got a cement room with no windows and a metal door. Anything less is just to make people feel better

Your perceived privacy violations sound pretty mundane to me.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by jjeaff on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:02PM (#15467914)
I agree. I have seen these kind of complaints a lot and I just don't get it. "Now some random person knows where I live." ... Uh, well, they know where -someone- lives, but they don't know you. I can't see how this is a problem unless your house is some kind of camoflauged hidden lair.

Houses are easy enough to find. You don't need to get a job as a delivery person to find where houses are. The fact that they delivered a package to your house doesn't make you any more of a target than anyone else. Maybe if you were having gold bricks delivered and they were clearly marked "expensive gold bricks" on the package.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by antisthenes on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:40PM (#15468695)
It's just thinly veiled racism/classism. Nothing to see here.

That or the dude legitimately expects white glove delivery for bottom shelf pricing, which is even more absurd.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by CPLX on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:26PM (#15467059)
And your theory is there is something fundamentally and transformationally different when a guy working for a local subsidiary or independent contractor shows up in a truck with FedEx painted on the side?
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by pbourke on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:43PM (#15467238)
The theory is that the incentives to behave properly differ between people who are employed delivering packages full time and those who do it as a gig.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by danudey on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:43PM (#15467742)
Regardless of the number of times UPS drivers have been filmed just throwing a package over a fence or lobbing it onto a veranda rather than actually walking up the path?

My experience has been far better with Amazon's deliverers than with shipping companies. I even had one who left a package under my doormat early in the morning and then noticed our lights come on so she came back to let us know it was there.

With UPS, it's more likely I check my tracking number after being home all day and see it go from 'out for delivery' to 'waiting for pickup at UPS store' with no notification. They don't even make the attempt to deliver it, and that makes things less efficient (loading the truck up just to unload it again, making me wait all morning just to have to go to the store anyway, etc.)

So yeah, personally it makes much more sense to me from all kinds of angles for Amazon to handle this stuff directly rather than deal with UPS or Fedex. Those companies are fine for getting a package from me to someone in Halifax, but for getting something from Amazon's warehouse an hour away to my doorstep, it makes no sense.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by aeotnhu0923nt on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:16PM (#15468517)
Yes. If my security cam records him throwing the package onto my porch, I have somewhere I can complain to, and I can probably ask my neighbors if they've had the same problems with the same driver. Whereas, when some guy I've never seen before rolls up in a Honda Civic, who do I complain to? I can try complaining to Amazon, but were they even the one who hired the guy? Or did they subcontract that out to a logistics company who subcontracted it to a local company who subcontracted it to the guy with the Civic? Those smaller subcontractors don't have to worry about damaging their brand. If they start losing customers, they simply rebrand or sign up with a different one of their supercontractors and keep on trucking.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by anindha on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:29PM (#15467091)
Big retailers don't do well in this type of online marketplace. Target and Toys"R"Us already tried partnering with Amazon and both deals failed [1][2].

Google should start developing warehouse technology and a delivery network in order to start competing directly with Amazon. Their current strategy is just a coat of paint on declining businesses.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100017752821017751 [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113798030922653260

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by quickben on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:43PM (#15467242)
They should start with something more basic: customer support department.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by zitterbewegung on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:45PM (#15467260)
Nah, they should start with figuring out how to not kill a project that people want.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by dawnerd on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:02PM (#15466781)
I order by price, so that means not ordering things like paper towels from amazon. Their grocery and household goods are often more expensive than just going down the street.

Also target has amazing returns. You can return online orders to the store - not like you can do that with amazon. I believe Walmart is the same.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by CamelCaseName on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:05PM (#15466811)
Starting this month, you'll be able to return some Amazon items to some Kohl's locations. [0] I suspect that will be true for Whole Foods as well at some point soon.

[0] http://www.businessinsider.com/kohls-returns-amazon-how-to-2...

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by daveFNbuck on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:06PM (#15466816)
Amazon has been messing up most of my deliveries lately and they make it as difficult as possible to talk to someone to find out why. When I do talk to someone, they always pretend to check the status, say that the item has been lost in transit, ship another one, and extend my prime membership by 1 month. Now I've got a hassle, a late shipment, and often a duplicate on the way that I'll have to deal with later.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by steven777400 on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:15PM (#15468039)
What I really want is to the ability to optionally select the shipper... UPS, FedEx, USPS, OnTrac, with different prices as needed. I think a lot of people who have trouble with one particular shipping company in their area (which one varies by area) would enjoy the ability to choose the one that is more reliable, and be willing to pay for it.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by staticassertion on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:13PM (#15466904)
So they give you two products and a month of prime... what response did you want on the customer service end?
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by daveFNbuck on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:22PM (#15467008)
They didn't intend to give me two products, and the month of prime is worthless if they don't actually have 2-day shipping. The response I want on the customer service end is for them to stop using their shitty AMZL carrier and deliver reliably like they used to for the last 10 years. It would also be nice if Amazon didn't hide their customer service options so I didn't have to waste a bunch of time finding it every time there's a problem.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by beering on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:37PM (#15467192)
You can ask them to make a note on your account to not use their in-house delivery.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by daveFNbuck on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:40PM (#15467216)
I've been contacting them a lot lately, and they haven't made me aware of that option. Thanks for letting me know!
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by Retric on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:22PM (#15467001)
If the same issues keep showing up they probably want a fix to the actual problem. And really, having two show up at some random date is not going to be helpful if you miss a kids birthday etc.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by danudey on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:45PM (#15467761)
The question "what do you want their customer service to do better" misses the point: the person doesn't want to have to call customer service in the first place to get a replacement product that shouldn't have gone missing in the first place.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by egeozcan on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:26PM (#15467048)
I'm having so much problems with DHL in Germany that my prime subscription is extended every month. I guess I'll never have to pay again for a service that's getting next to useless. When they use Hermes[1] though, it's always on time.

[1]: https://www.myhermes.de

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by Quanttek on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:46PM (#15467271)
You are sure it's that way around? Everybody I know is happy when DHL is used (particularly me as a "Packstation" is nearby) and fears for their newly-acquired property when Hermes is the carrier.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by danudey on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:52PM (#15467841)
I have never once had DHL successfully take a package from one location to another without screwing it up somehow.

I ordered something from Thinkgeek once. It got from New Jersey to Montreal in two days, and it took them a week to actually get it to me. They'd no-show on days customer service told me they'd deliver, then they'd deliver on days customer service told me they wouldn't be showing up. That was the day I learned the value of shipping things to work.

I had a replacement MacBook power adapter shipped out. They left a notice once, and then customer service told me that there'd been three failed attempts and no further attempt would be made. When I asked where the package was, the agent didn't seem to know, but guessed that it was at the depot. When I got to the depot I gave my delivery slip to the guy behind the counter, who came back and said he couldn't find the package. I told him to go look again and this time he actually found it.

I ordered a kit from 23andMe. DHL tried to deliver it once and then returned it to sender. I got them to send me another one (at a $25 fee), which DHL never delivered. I tried a third one, and this one was "at the depot". I went there and waited an hour in a small cement room with nothing but a chair in it while they looked. Eventually they came back and said they'd given up.

Every single encounter I've had with DHL has shown they're completely incapable of performing the core aspect of their business: getting a thing from one person to another. Worse still, they don't really seem to care or even understand that a screw-up is happening.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by neurotech1 on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:31PM (#15467645)
Email Jeff Bezos ([email protected]) and see if you get a real answer.

Various articles in the media state that he does read them, and typically forwards to the relevant executive in charge.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by bharris62 on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:15PM (#15466924)
last time I had a messed up delivery, not that long ago - i did a report on their site, they emailed within an hour and had another one overnighted to me.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by daveFNbuck on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:18PM (#15466961)
When you make your order, they give a guaranteed delivery date. When they miss that date, they just send another one as fast as possible but still late. What does the guarantee mean?
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by scrooched_moose on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:17PM (#15467522)
You can report a problem with your order and get a free month of Prime when they miss their dates (up to 12 per Prime renewal). It's somewhere in the shipping guarantee. If you paid for any accelerated shipping they'll refund those fees.

I used to be able to nearly double my Prime length this way. The shippers in my area have gotten much better though recently and I haven't had a late package in almost a year.

Edit: Hm, they may have quietly discontinued it recently. It used to be listed on this page:

  https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=201117450
And I can find articles up to December 16 stating it still works. Doesn't hurt to try though, they're usually pretty accommodating.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by danudey on Friday October 13, 2017 @02:06PM (#15467946)
The guarantee means that if the package doesn't arrive after that point it's their responsibility to assume it's not going to arrive and make alternate arrangements.

In other words, if they "guarantee" tomorrow at 5 PM and it doesn't show then it's late, whereas if they "estimate" tomorrow at 5 PM and it doesn't show then it's whatever, call back tomorrow.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by bitmapbrother on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:31PM (#15467647)
>If I order toilet paper via my Google Home, where does it come from?

Well, you would specify where it came from by mentioning Walmart or Target.

>If they send me dog food instead, how do I get in touch with customer service? Is it Google's customer service or Target's?

The same customer service you ordered the product from and was clearly stated in the email confirmation you received from either Walmart or Target.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by tw04 on Friday October 13, 2017 @05:49PM (#15469450)
Really? Because if an order is screwed up with Target you can either call and talk to a live person, or walk into a store and talk to a live person. I love Amazon but they've got nothing on target from a service perspective (IMO).
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by danudey on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:35PM (#15467675)
This is as much a threat to Amazon as Microsoft PlaysForSure was to Apple.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by cryptoz on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:03PM (#15466790)
> they shop there because I can Prime myself anything in 2 days or less and if it's messed up I can talk to a human being and find out why.

Really? Amazon is often very late with Prime deliveries in my experience, only hitting the 2-day mark maybe 60% of the time. And when the miss the delivery (which I am paying $100/year for!!) there are no options presented for customer service or support, just "check back here in 3 days and if your package still hasn't arrived we'll present you with more options".

Meanwhile I can call Google any time and get great customer support for the products I pay for. I'd vastly prefer the Google delivery experience that I'd expect them to create compared to what Amazon Prime is now.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by tedmiston on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:04PM (#15466797)
> Meanwhile I can call Google any time and get great customer support for the products I pay for.

We must not use the same Google.

Lack of available support is one of the most cited reasons for not buying Google hardware, especially their own Chromebooks.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by panopticon on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:09PM (#15466847)
Yeah, cryptoz's experience goes totally against the grain with respect to all of my friend's and family's experience too. Although I do have issues with Prime from time to time, Amazon's customer service usually kicks me a discount or another month of Prime as recompense.

As a bit of an outlier, Google Fiber's customer service has been stellar for me though.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by sli on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:55PM (#15468807)
Yeah, all of my experiences with Amazon's customer service have been great. I usually have to Google the CSR chat link to find it, but I'd probably do that anyway.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by richardknop on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:34PM (#15467164)
Exactly my reaction. Google is known for having almost non existent customer support. Not just in products but also things like Google Cloud (before that App Engine). It works well and you are happy but if there's some issue with your site/app, getting in touch with a human being is almost impossible.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by uep on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:11PM (#15466881)
Or the same Amazon for that matter.

I suspect it has to do with the kind of things I order, and where I'm located, but Amazon deliveries have always arrived within two days for me (sometimes one day). Exceptions being when I order stuff that is not eligible for prime, but I know that at the time of ordering. Their customer service has also been excellent in my experience.

That said, I haven't had a terrible experience with Google yet, but I've barely used their support. I'll find out soon, because my Google-purchased phone started the infamous bootloop the other day.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by usaphp on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:08PM (#15466838)
> Really? Amazon is often very late with Prime deliveries in my experience, only hitting the 2-day mark maybe 60% of the time.

I wonder if that depends on a city. I have ordered probably over a thousand things from amazon over the years and it was late for 2 day delivery maybe once or twice. And customer service is also the biggest reason why I use amazon even if the price is higher. I know that I can online chat with someone within minutes and they solve my problem most of the time. I had issues with paid google g suite or whatever they call it now, account and I don’t want to deal with their non existent customer service again.

Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by nicoburns on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:12PM (#15466893)
Depends on where you live. If you live in the UK you can get reliable 1-day delivery (prime in the UK guarantees 1-day delivery, and if you're in a city, same-day delivery on certain items). There are advantages to high population density I guess.
Re:Google is building an anti-Amazon alliance, and Target is... by ArchReaper on Friday October 13, 2017 @12:05PM (#15466809)
>I can call Google any time and get great customer support

For what, specifically? Because this is the opposite of reality for everyone else.