Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by synicalx on Sunday September 10, 2017 @08:41PM
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Can't speak for everyone, but in my case I've got a lot of old legacy rubbish that I need to access through IE that just won't work through Chrome or any other browser.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by FussyZeus on Monday September 11, 2017 @12:17AM
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We have to keep it around for the admin control panels and management interfaces in some of our older (and not even that old) network hardware. Basically anything pre 2010 that uses frames and other crap like that.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by Sylos on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:13PM
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There's two kinds of on-video ads on YouTube. The ones that you described, which play before or during the video that you're watching, pausing the video, and then the ads that display in a little overlay at the bottom of the video.
I don't see how either of these would be alright by this new pseudo-policy, but your argument most definitely does not apply to the latter kind.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by tyingq on Sunday September 10, 2017 @11:42AM
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Not sure I understand. Both are an overlay blocking content. I suspect Google would still punish an interstitial overlay with a countdown timer that dismissed it. If you don't click, YouTube sometimes makes you watch 30+ seconds of ads.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by charrondev on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:52PM
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To be honest I've seen a couple advertisements that I watched the full ~5 minutes. Both were game trailers that were really interesting. I would have rather had a "click here to view the actual trailer video instead of the ad version" button though. I was sold after the first 2 minutes, but couldn't see the full name of the game until the end.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by hobarrera on Sunday September 10, 2017 @10:15PM
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Game trailers as ads?
Over 95% of the stuff I watch on Youtube is gameplays, collagehumor and tech reviews, yet all my ads are diapers or clothing softeners. I've no idea why their algorithm sucks so much for my account.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by odammit on Sunday September 10, 2017 @06:33PM
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I'll take a pop up ad over and inline any day at least I know it's not a part of the content and the close button is usually in the same place-ish.
In line ads always confuse the hell out of me especially now that they are getting so camouflaged into the content and content sites have the scroll to next piece of content functionality.
How will Google punish themselves? Or will Google just punish the publishers who bothered to follow their repeated recommendations to run page level ads on their site?
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by matt4077 on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:05PM
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Have you ever seen the little "x" in the corner of google display ads? If you click it, you're asked for the reason you're objecting to the ad. Among them "ad covers content".
Meaning: you shouldn't always assume the worst, especially if there's evidence against it.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by drawnwren on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:29PM
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I think the difference is the potential for abuse. It's not possible for a YouTube advertiser to make a YouTube ad appear to be a system popup or for it to attempt to take over my browser experience by full screening. Keep in mind, Google has been fine with popup ads until 2017.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by dlp211 on Monday September 11, 2017 @05:23PM
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The difference is how advertising has been done traditionally. Think about TV vs. print. Advertisements need to be interspersed in both mediums, but how it is accomplished is different based on the medium. Why would it be different just because we now consume both on a different platform?
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by nathcd on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:45PM
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Maybe Google Search is punishing search scores for YouTube videos because of ads, but since most online videos exist only on YouTube, those results generally still rank highly regardless of the penalty?
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by akoncius on Monday September 11, 2017 @06:27AM
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given that it's not automatic and it doesn't work on mobile or for people who have no experience in html, it doesn't work and it should not be even considered as a solution, because internet is not for tech-savy people and this discussion is about marketing and internet advertisement which is for all people.
so no, it doesn't work on a larger scale. it's like suggesting to hack MS Windows checks if provided licence key is valid in order to use OS. It works, but for narrow audience, and we should discuss about how to solve issue for all users.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by synicalx on Sunday September 10, 2017 @08:47PM
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I suppose it's a matter of practicality - with most text heavy sites you can put ads around the text and it works just fine. But with something like Youtube, that approach isn't really going to be as effective because people generally won't be scrolling around the page.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by ocdtrekkie on Sunday September 10, 2017 @11:28AM
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This is only really because you're already aware of where YouTube's buttons are and how they work. If you visited any given other website often enough, it'd be more or less the same.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by ceejayoz on Sunday September 10, 2017 @08:33PM
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I've seen a number of sites prompting via a modal that isn't the browser's built-in functionality. If you say no, it just prompts again in a day or two. If you say yes, then you get the built-in (blockable) "enable notifications?" prompt.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by DerfNet on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:26PM
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I work for an e-commerce company. This absolutely brutalized our sales until we made significant changes to our layout.
I understand that this instance is seen as a net positive for the end user, but Google should not have the power to force websites to conform to whatever Google decides is the new standard, or become irrelevant.
The end user should be deciding what is and isn't worthwhile content, or where to shop, or what have you. Not Google.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by vm on Sunday September 10, 2017 @03:52PM
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What kind of ecommerce company? I do a lot of work in the sector.
Your business is dependent on Google for traffic. You can embrace it and be beholden to platform rules, or you can build a direct audience and brand. The latter is hard but more defensible and there are many case studies to follow of other companies doing this.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by mythrwy on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:45PM
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Not you either.
If people come in through Google because they are searching for something and instead of arriving at the content that was advertised in search results, see a content covering popup, that's not really informed decision making. I think Google has legitimate right to rank sites that do this lower.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by taysic on Sunday September 10, 2017 @04:39PM
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If users heard there were better results elsewhere though, they would switch from Google. However, it is more likely that by doing this Google prevents itself from being taken over by a competitor that creates this feature.
I actually just added a full-screen video popup to a site a few days ago, and I made it so that it won't appear to googlebot. This wasn't for deceptive purposes, just because it wasn't relevant. I only show the video once to users, and it doesn't appear when they go back to the site...it's just a walkthrough of our products, which many people seem to need. I suspect many sites will check for googlebot and not show their popups to avoid this penalty.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by cpncrunch on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:27PM
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In my own case, I'm showing the same thing as users who have been there > 1 times. I could remove the check and it wouldn't make much difference, as gbot uses cookies anyway.
For sites that always show the popup to users and never show it to gbot, I agree. However I've seen a lot of scammy sites that do this kind of time so I don't know how likely google is to find out about it.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by ryanwaggoner on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:29PM
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You're not getting "caught", and Google can fuck right off with any "terms of service" that I never agreed to about how I respond when they scrape my site without permission.
I know that there are practical concerns here, but Google has done a masterful job of shaping the conversation so that many people think anything not sanctioned by Almighty Google with regard to SEO (let alone actual "blackhat" tactics) is illegal or immoral.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by squeaky-clean on Sunday September 10, 2017 @01:58PM
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It's not illegal, but if you're hiding content from Googlebot because you don't want it to derank that page, once they crawl it with an agent that hides the fact that it's Google, they will then derank your whole website.
So it's not illegal, but if you think you're beating Google by doing it, they're well aware of this workaround and will punish you harder.
If you don't care about ranking, then no biggie. But why would you manipulate your web server like that if you weren't trying to rank.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by falcor84 on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:31PM
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>scrape my site without permission.
No one needs permission to request a web page, and that includes bots. But if that still bothers you, why not create arobots.txt with your preferences?
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by Karunamon on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:06PM
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You’re giving permission to scrape by way of having a page accessible to the general public. If googlebot is bothering you so much, install a two line robots.txt and it’ll go away.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by reconbot on Sunday September 10, 2017 @12:22PM
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I'm not so sure about that. They change up things a lot. Search is only part of the equation however, people can still buy an add to show you anything they like. So these practices aren't going away, they're just pushed into an arbitrage situation.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by newusertoday on Sunday September 10, 2017 @12:37PM
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Any idea what would happen to chat boxes that pop up on companies websites? they don't block the content and are there to interact with customers (think olark).
Does anyone know if that would lead to lower search ranking as well?
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by siliconc0w on Sunday September 10, 2017 @02:37PM
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This is great. Ideally you look at the % of the page with actual content and % of the page with 'everything else' and sort by % content. Hopefully, this would motivate sites to compete with one another for cleaner UX.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by kindawinda on Sunday September 10, 2017 @08:05PM
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i dont know why they always says this and never fulfill. search 'free porn' and youll see pornhub.com and xnxx.com and they have popups but never get deranked.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by cassowary on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:15AM
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Could they just get around the requirement by using the HTML5 storage stuff? It's such a silly legal requirement. There's significant privacy concerns. And they make me close this silly message that has nothing to do with privacy at all.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by cm2187 on Sunday September 10, 2017 @11:40AM
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That's not google reminding you of privacy settings (in fact if you want to change those this menu is highly impractical with a lot of nesting). This is google making you agree with their T&C to go any further.
Re:Google will punish sites that use annoying pop-up ads
by ocdtrekkie on Sunday September 10, 2017 @11:57AM
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Isn't that effectively a legal requirement? That users must make some sort of actual confirmation step to acknowledge the terms for them to be legally enforceable?
I mean, look at my submission/comment history, I'm literally the voice of Google criticism on this website. But it's hard to see how this little diversion has to do with pop-up ads. It's not advertising, first and foremost.
(Google is my default search engine. I just have their tracking blocked, so they can't check this. Lame.)
I have also noticed that Google's Captcha is more annoying than it is on Chrome.
http://css3test.com
I didn't think it was possible but I switched and I don't miss Google 99% of the time.
The biggest exception I've found is that the maps from open street map don't have street view.
Both force an ad to be looked at before granting you access to the content you came for. I don't get the distinction.
The equivalent YouTube ad would be if it started playing and didn't pause the video you're trying to watch.
I don't see how either of these would be alright by this new pseudo-policy, but your argument most definitely does not apply to the latter kind.
Here's Google's post about it: https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2016/08/helping-users-easi...
Over 95% of the stuff I watch on Youtube is gameplays, collagehumor and tech reviews, yet all my ads are diapers or clothing softeners. I've no idea why their algorithm sucks so much for my account.
In line ads always confuse the hell out of me especially now that they are getting so camouflaged into the content and content sites have the scroll to next piece of content functionality.
How will Google punish themselves? Or will Google just punish the publishers who bothered to follow their repeated recommendations to run page level ads on their site?
Meaning it won't show when coming from a Google search, until the user navigates to a second page of the same site.
I guess it's okay to irritate users if it's at least one step away from search?
Meaning: you shouldn't always assume the worst, especially if there's evidence against it.
In fact, there's often less waiting with overlays on top of text content.
Not mobile.
(I had, at one point, some 2,000 or so personally modified wepage CSS files under Stylish for just this sort of crap.)
so no, it doesn't work on a larger scale. it's like suggesting to hack MS Windows checks if provided licence key is valid in order to use OS. It works, but for narrow audience, and we should discuss about how to solve issue for all users.
I'm so tired of those and there seems no way of blocking, even after blocking notifications in Chrome settings.
I understand that this instance is seen as a net positive for the end user, but Google should not have the power to force websites to conform to whatever Google decides is the new standard, or become irrelevant.
The end user should be deciding what is and isn't worthwhile content, or where to shop, or what have you. Not Google.
Your business is dependent on Google for traffic. You can embrace it and be beholden to platform rules, or you can build a direct audience and brand. The latter is hard but more defensible and there are many case studies to follow of other companies doing this.
If people come in through Google because they are searching for something and instead of arriving at the content that was advertised in search results, see a content covering popup, that's not really informed decision making. I think Google has legitimate right to rank sites that do this lower.
Not to worry, the days of the U.S. government busting up monopolies seem behind us.
http://searchengineland.com/google-confirms-rolling-mobile-i...
I actually just added a full-screen video popup to a site a few days ago, and I made it so that it won't appear to googlebot. This wasn't for deceptive purposes, just because it wasn't relevant. I only show the video once to users, and it doesn't appear when they go back to the site...it's just a walkthrough of our products, which many people seem to need. I suspect many sites will check for googlebot and not show their popups to avoid this penalty.
For sites that always show the popup to users and never show it to gbot, I agree. However I've seen a lot of scammy sites that do this kind of time so I don't know how likely google is to find out about it.
I know that there are practical concerns here, but Google has done a masterful job of shaping the conversation so that many people think anything not sanctioned by Almighty Google with regard to SEO (let alone actual "blackhat" tactics) is illegal or immoral.
So it's not illegal, but if you think you're beating Google by doing it, they're well aware of this workaround and will punish you harder.
If you don't care about ranking, then no biggie. But why would you manipulate your web server like that if you weren't trying to rank.
No one needs permission to request a web page, and that includes bots. But if that still bothers you, why not create arobots.txt with your preferences?
It also covers the adsense product - so using google product can affect your google rank.
HOWEVER there are many many news websites that have not been penalised despite a full range of pop ups, interstitial and screen take over adverts.
Anyone from Google able to explain why there is such a discrepancy?
This seems rather analogous to digging up a corpse to give it a spiteful kick in the ribs and bury it again.
Given all the SEO spam in the Google search index, it is a misplaced priority to make a target out of sites with popups.
So yes, one google product can result in a penalty with another. You will probably make a few quid more on adsense though.
I mean, look at my submission/comment history, I'm literally the voice of Google criticism on this website. But it's hard to see how this little diversion has to do with pop-up ads. It's not advertising, first and foremost.
http://www.thelibertyconservative.com/google-issues-ultimatu...