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Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @02:44AM (#14742075)
As someone who just switched from windows to Mac, when you pick windows you also gain periodic show stopping problems, kafkaesque hoops to jump through randomly in the middle of your workflow, a slightly terrible security architecture and the ability for family and friends to see you using windows and are clearly an expert and then ask you to fix their crapware ridden death boxes. At least you gain thousands of google results for every problem coming your way.

Incidentally yesterday I ran out of disk space on my old windows laptop. There was a windows problem reporting process that ate 100MiB once an hour. Eventually over the space of weeks you lose your entire disk then spend an hour googling the numerous incantations that need to be applied to fix this most of which don't work. Random shit like this happens at least once a week or so and just ruins an afternoon.

Also don't think that the built in ubuntu or windows shell stuff actually works properly. There are many horrible bugs. Nothing on windows works properly for months if not years. Even with creators update, I used putty and virtual box because it was that bad.

Also you're going to miss things like keychain in OSX.

Edit: also my old T440 which I was running windows on, Lenovo couldn't ship working drivers for creators update and the moment that got rolled out TSHTF. This resulted in the SATA controller hanging for 30 seconds every five minutes and locking the machine up. I wasted six hours trying to find a combination of drivers and PM config that actually didn't do this. That's a whole day of work down the pan.

There is just ZERO quality on the platform and I'm done with it.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by sclangdon on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:44AM (#14743302)
Isn't it just what you're used to? I recently (2 years ago) went the other way - from Windows to macOS - and I feel the same way as you but in reverse. I'll never buy another Mac, and I can't wait to get back on Windows, but I know it's not because macOS is inherently bad. It's because I have over 20 years of Windows knowledge and despite it's flaws, I know it well and I know nothing of macOS.

There's plenty of quality on Windows, and Windows itself is a very good OS. It's just what you know, and what you're used to.

Indedentally, in over 20 years I've never encountered a show stopping problem, or kafkaesque hoops I've had to jump through. Maybe our definitions are different...

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by chrisan on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:53AM (#14744157)
I've had the same experience as you. Both windows and mac have bugs (or the software/drivers they use) and it is by far easier (for me) to debug and fix the windows problems than diagnosing that darned pinwheel of death. By far the most annoying experience is waiting for the laptop to be responsive after opening it up. Either the screen stays dark or the mouse/keyboard do nothing or both. I've learned to just open and go get a drink or something while it does "its thing"

I've been trying for the last few days just to make a bootable osx install flash drive so I can wipe and do a clean install before selling yet I can't get the thing to boot from it no matter which keys I hold during boot or resetting the PRAM. I'm sure its something stupid I did (am doing), but I would have been long past this step if it were a windows machine.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by omikun on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @12:00PM (#14745246)
All Macs can remotely install OSX over the internet from the boot screen so you don't need a bootable USB. To manually start up from macOS Recovery over the Internet, hold down Option-Command-R or Shift-Option-Command-R at startup.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by chrisan on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @05:40AM (#14751221)
Thank you. I thought I was losing my mind, you were the first I read that mentioned Option-Command-R, which worked. Some guys had just Option, others were Option-R.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by mb_72 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:44AM (#14742547)
"There is just ZERO quality on the platform and I'm done with it."

This is clearly an exaggeration, as is "Nothing on windows works properly for months if not years.". If 'nothing' works, then how do developers like myself use Windows very successfully for creating and maintaining software? Either you've been very unlucky or made bad choices of hardware.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:02AM (#14742622)
It's really not. I suggest you sit down over the next couple of weeks of your life and tot up the time spend on trivial issues that shouldn't exist. That Visual Studio hang or crash that kills your entire debug rig that took you an hour to get a test case up for, that windows update notification that pops up, that windows defender notification that tells you it has nothing to report, that hour wondering why outlook has suddenly stopped talking to exchange etc.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by Nition on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:19AM (#14742911)
Windows is a mess and the 16 pages of privacy settings to disable on Windows 10 aren't great either, but if there's one OS that demands the most time troubleshooting and dealing with issues, I'd struggle to claim it isn't Linux.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by dotancohen on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:54AM (#14743058)
As a Linux user since 2001, I would have agreed with you up until 2008-2010 when Ubuntu really started making strides. If you haven't tried Ubuntu in the past decade, you really should. Other than one motherboard with some wacky onboard NIC, I have had zero problems that took more than a casual google to solve. This is across literally dozens of installs for friends, family, neighbours, etc.

I won't do other people's installs anymore as the support adds up, such as Powerpoint presentations not opening properly in LibreOffice, but the systems just work. Most people spend their entire time in a web browser anyway, so there isn't much to go wrong.

Note that I praise Ubuntu as a desktop even though I personally use CentOS as my desktop. It is Ubuntu that brought Linux to the masses.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by Nition on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:24PM (#14748213)
My experience has been quite different. I've never done an install of Unbuntu even in the last few years where everything worked out of a box, whereas Windows always has. Just as one example I did an install on a new Intel NUC about a few months ago where the wifi worked on 16.04 but not on 16.10. Soon after I installed it on a laptop where the wifi worked but not the ethernet.

I think this part of your comment is key:

> I have had zero problems that took more than a casual google to solve

The problems I have on install are (almost) always solvable in an hour or so of Googling and messing around in the terminal or in config files. That includes the two examples I gave earlier - I've got those working now. But that's an hour for us, people who do this stuff every day. A random person who isn't so good with computers and decides to try Linux really needs everything to work.

Even this:

> Most people spend their entire time in a web browser anyway, so there isn't much to go wrong.

isn't always a safe bet. I installed Ubuntu for someone who basically just wanted to check emails, write documents, and watch some on-demand TV. The on-demand TV site didn't work because it needed the HAL layer in Flash and that'd been removed entirely from Ubuntu. Luckily someone has kindly hosted a repo with the required files[1]. But a random newbie is never going to get that working. Yes, the site requiring Flash like that is a bit out of date. But it still works on Windows and Mac.

[1] https://launchpad.net/~mjblenner/+archive/ubuntu/ppa-hal

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by uloop on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:54AM (#14743359)
There's hundred of thousands of "testimonials" over which OS is best online. The fact is that Windows remains the best compromise between capability and cost for a lot of people.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by Karunamon on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:08AM (#14743826)
I truly think backwards compatibility is THE reason Windows is still a thing. Linux has a non-stable kernel ABI by design, and Apple loves breaking older stuff with little to no notice.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by girvo on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:21AM (#14742684)
Mind you, XCode and Mail.app aren't that much better, heh. Though I agree with your overarching point.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:25AM (#14742694)
The less said about Xcode the better ;)

Haven't had any Mail.app problems yet but I run an empty inbox.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by Longhanks on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:30AM (#14742955)
Xcode 9 is a major improvement. They rewrote the editor which is now blazing fast and introduced (and open sourced as part of LLVM!) a new refactoring engine capable of refactoring C, C++, Objective C and Swift.

Also, they are currently in the process of rewriting the build system, with a preview shipping with Xcode 9.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:35AM (#14742972)
Excellent. I'll play with that and see how it feels now.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by mb_72 on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @03:56AM (#14750881)
'Nothing works' is not an exaggeration? This is purely irrational, not to mention I don't experience any of those issues you mention, nor other ones that take more than a tiny fraction of my development time (eg shutting down and rebooting while drinking coffee if updates are needed). Sorry Windows doesn't work for you, but it works well for me and my clients (and my bank account and their satisfaction levels).
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by bkovacev on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:05AM (#14743118)
No, not really.

I have a high-end laptop from Asus (no plastic etc) that I installed ubuntu on. It would overheat, have issues with the drivers and just simply would consume more power. It'd maybe last for an hour, while on windows same processes it would last for two and a half. No matter how many hacks I had to google for and how many hacks I tried, still nothing worked. You've wasted six hours, I've wasted a month trying to optimize my laptop to work at 50% of what it did.

I have had a Mac as well that I sold in a heartbeat, because it required an upgrade that I simply was not willing to pay for. For less than double of the amount of money it required for an upgrade I got 32GB of RAM, 512SSD and a neat i7 processor, zero plastics. Mac would also overheat and would also crash, your point? Plus the support in the region where I am located is ZERO.

No I'm definitely not going to miss the keychain as I have last pass that handles just about everything nowadays.

I also work on Python, postgres, ansible, redis (which has limited support on windows but still works). Not sure where your problem is.

So there's also the other side of the coin, plus your isolated case + opinion does not prove the "ZERO quality" statement, just like mine doesn't that's it's good.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by apexalpha on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:29AM (#14743229)
>It would overheat, have issues with the drivers and just simply would consume more power.

This is hardly Linux's fault. ASUS just didn't bother writing (proper) drivers. I have a HP laptop that has support for RHEL, and therefor Linux distro's in general.

I only had to install TLP for power management and I get the same battery on Ubuntu as on Win10.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by gambiting on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:56AM (#14744180)
"This is hardly Linux's fault. <INSERT_MANUFACTURER_NAME_HERE> just didn't bother writing (proper) drivers."

The thing is, as a customer, after a certain point I just don't give a crap. Like, when I was a teenager it was super fun to spend entire days fixing esotheric problems with hardware and rebuilding the kernel to suit my needs, but nowadays I want to hit the power button and work. Linux is not that, at least not for me, I do use Mint daily on an older Dell laptop and that is 90% fine but for any "serious" development I would always use my Windows machine + VS.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by xur17 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @10:00AM (#14744208)
When I buy a computer I specifically choose one with good linux support rather than buying a random computer and hope it works properly. I bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon, and I've had a Lenovo T430s, along with a Lenovo T61. All of them worked great.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by sitepodmatt on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:18AM (#14743888)
Asus Zenbook UX330C - Ubuntu 16.04 64bit / stock kernel / i3wm - No TLP or power tweaks or additional powertools - 88.97% remaining 8hr30mins - and that's pretty accurate.

I think you just have a bad SKU of a laptop if Linux gives you 1hr and Windows only 2.5hrs.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by sitepodmatt on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @10:37AM (#14744514)
Down to 76% now, so pretty accurate. That with Chrome with several tabs, and a GPU/CPU heavy application called Slack/electron running.

Message to OP try 16.04.2 LTS (or a later version) and I think you'll find very different results with Asus laptops and Ubuntu.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by bkovacev on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @11:37AM (#14745041)
That's actually amazing, lucky you! I'll give the new LTS version a go for sure as I still love ubuntu!
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by pzduniak on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:52AM (#14742321)
Same here, also you can't really map NTFS to Linux filesystems (perms + max path length, have fun using Go with vendor / NodeJS), so you run into stupid issues where the only solution is to boot up a VM anyways - and then, most of the time, the VM file sharing does not support proper permissions. After dealing with that for about a month, I was pleased to hear that NVidia released drivers for 10-series GPUs for OSX, so I transformed a Haswell-E 8-core workstation into a Hackintosh and I get best of both worlds (except some USB soundcard issues, but it automatically switches to Bluetooth when it dies, so it's all fine).

Regarding notebooks, I paid the premium over Windows notebooks just to get a MBP. The quality is far superior to anything I could find and for some reason there's no equivalent of a MBP15 in terms of performance, size and portability. Everyone's stuffing the low-TDP 2-core i7s and 14 screens into their "ultrabooks" and calling it a day.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by istoica on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:38AM (#14742518)
This, this on so many levels! But this issue affects VMs too, the shared folders are always mounted with strange permissions, this is propagated to Docker too so Docker XP on Windows, in any configuration is seriously affected by the NTFS, put simply, awful. For developers this is critical. I don't know, maybe a software layer on top of NTFS permission might be able to emulate Posix style perms. The difference between Windows and Unix is too big compared to OSX, that is why OSX will always be more ergonomic.

But this does not mean that it is not to be appreciated, they did an awesome job. Maybe one day things will be solved, maybe you will be able to start native windows apps from UOW, maybe even Docker will be supported, maybe permissions will be cleverly emulated ... the work they did so far clearly focuses on getting things running, the QA period will be there soon too.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:57AM (#14742341)
To be technically honest here, NTFS and NT don't have a max path length problem and are optionally case sensitive. This is the abstraction layer over it (win32). I'm not sure if that does trip over that issue as I didn't experience either way myself but it is a massive problem when running things like Jenkins on windows.

Disparity between the Vm and the host OS is problematic when you use things like vagrant too. Much smoother on macOS.

15" i7 MBP here as well. It's really not much bigger than my T440 and a lot thinner.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by aries1980 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:31AM (#14742958)
I use a Clevo clone called Starlabs “Labtop”. 32GB DDR4 RAM, Core i7U, Samsung PRO 960 with HDMI, mDP, Thunderbolt 3, 2 USB 3.0, SD card reader, gigabit ethernet, additional SATA slot, etc without external adaptors QHD screen, Windows Hello-compatible cam in a 13.3", came with Ubuntu (switched to Fedora). Yours?
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by 627467 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:14AM (#14743147)
Funny, I did the reverse migration at work (windows->mac) and I'm still having countless issues around corporate printer drivers, certificates and provisioning that no other windows or Linux machines in the same environment have. And macs are the only machines that cannot have passwords freely changed at will by the user.

Windows 10 has its share of issues but I think it has well above ZERO in quality.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by __sr__ on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:09AM (#14743830)
> And macs are the only machines that cannot have passwords freely changed at will by the user

Not sure what you mean here. Can you elaborate?

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by omikun on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @12:24PM (#14745459)
Sounds like an IT issue. When I have been able to use Macs at work, they involve less IT hassle than Windows machines.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by ReverseCold on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:32AM (#14742495)
Also just switched from Windows > Mac, don't really want to go back. Battery life, speed, ease of use, everything is just better so far.

(Razer Blade > 2016 MBP)

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by emsy on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:58AM (#14742826)
As a Mac user I agree with you on the security side, but if you think you will get away from obscure bugs and issues I have bad news for you.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by tcfunk on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @09:23AM (#14743925)
Incidentally, there have been similar space-consuming issues on OS X [1] [2]. Granted, the second one was a third-party application (probably) misusing file versioning APIs, but it's still 200GB of disk space being used in a way that is non-obvious to the owner of the machine.

1. https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/84784/128gb-ssd-an...

2. https://medium.com/@thomasdegry/how-sketch-took-over-200gb-o...

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by unityByFreedom on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:24AM (#14742456)
> the ability for family and friends to see you using windows and are clearly an expert and then ask you to fix their crapware ridden death boxes

Hah, thanks for the laugh, funniest thing I've seen today. So true! =)

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by ivan_gammel on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:02AM (#14742129)
Looks like your problem was in using Lenovo, not Windows. Btw, what kinds of tasks did you do there?
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:13AM (#14742161)
No it's really not. I've been using windows since 1992 across tens of vendors and it's the same story. It has literally never changed. I find Lenovo to be the least crap.

I was 50/50 Linux/windows dev. Windows dev is dead for me now (my hair is growing back). Tasks are now python, Postgres, ansible, vim, ssh and a browser and not a lot else. I've worked with Linux for about 18 years as well for ref.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by ivan_gammel on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:42AM (#14742279)
So, no any special needs. It's quite strange to see such judgements from a software engineer about a tool that serves many other people very well (I'm 80/20 on Windows/Linux for more than 20 years and have very different experience, for example). Probably, it's the matter of personal preferences, not of the quality?
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:50AM (#14742312)
It is definitely a matter of quality because I support a team with the same issues. I see the cumulative cost of quality issues daily.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by indemnity on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:19AM (#14742437)
Switched our team off Microsoft platforms entirely.

All developers are on macOS now, targeting JVM on Linux.

Refreshing to be able to participate in a real ecosystem, instead of having to write the .NET version/binding for every damn useful piece of OSS out there.

Plus, working for an 80,000 employee company, IT can't screw up macOS as much as they did their Windows image, which does wonders for productivity.

The last straw was a McAfee update on Windows which causes every executable launched to take 45 seconds the first time it launches. Last time I checked, IT still hadn't figured out how to fix it for real, after months, and resorted to exclusions to "fix" it.

Think how many times a developer builds an executable and needs to launch it....yeah.

I know, I need to quit, but they pay very, very well and it's a pretty low stress job that's really helping me hammer my mortgage.

With proper tooling like I have now, it's a pretty good position that leaves a lot in the tank for learning and experimentation.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:33AM (#14742501)
This is normal corporate IT on windows. The biggest battle I have is with operations teams who require that you don't have administrative privileges on windows dev machines. This cripples development teams instantly because you just can't do that.

I tried to push the organisation I work with currently in that direction but they haven't quite got over the Stockholm syndrome of being a Microsoft certified partner yet or admit that a lot of infrastructure and platform investments were bad ones now.

I'd take low stress and good pay over most things ;)

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by hvidgaard on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:06AM (#14742633)
> The biggest battle I have is with operations teams who require that you don't have administrative privileges on windows dev machines.

Fortunately I do not have this battle. But if I did, I would simply tell operations boss that unless my developers get admin access in their dev environment, they have to have staff dedicated to my team, ready 24/7/365 to serve them. Weekends, holidays, christmas - all the time, no exceptions.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by p2t2p on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @08:50PM (#14749319)
> IT can't screw up macOS as much as they did their Windows image

Oh trust me they can. How about to hang while showing login screen because AD server doesn't respond? MacOS auto reboots in such occasion.

How about screw your keychain with their scripts completely when you change you password? I need to re-login into iCloud every single time I change my password because of that.

How about hang before even getting to login screen because AD doesn't respond? Broken file permissions and groups because of AD thing?

Unexpected CPU spike to 100% because some IT thing does something in background?

Constant notifications even OVER LOGIN SCREEN about "Your sleep time is too long" and so on.

I'm now just afraid to install updates because it'll involve reboot and next reboot IT scripts will screw up something else and I'll need to spend half a day fixing it.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by dm319 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:37AM (#14742513)
I can't understand the number of people on this thread who appear to be very tech-savvy, but don't sympathise with your issues.

I've been off windows for several years, but recently needed to install Windows 10 on a machine for a family member. I ran into two utterly frustrating issues. The first was no ethernet after moving the machine to their house (after reinstalling all sorts of drivers I discovered it was due to assigned IP addresses and the fast-shutdown feature of Windows). The second was random crashes between 30mins and 1hour after boot up.

Of course, the occasional issue on linux occurs (though not really at this scale) - but what is worse is that you aren't given the tools or the means to troubleshoot them. There were at least 3 or 4 published articles about the second problem (which was due to a failing anniversary update - also difficult to troubleshoot as it doesn't show up as a process)- but none of them were actually useful for troubleshooting - they just gave '7 things you can do...', one of which was rebooting... (here's an example of one https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-anniversary-update... - they are useless!)

I think we need to define a new disease because we are both clearly suffering from it:

Post-Windows Traumatic Stress Disorder

Symptoms: unexpected and disproportionate rage at slightest OS attempt to override what they are doing or present them with adverts. occasional bouts of unexplained anger

Signs: weary-looking. withdraws when presented with Windows laptop.

Investigations: while undergoing windows update process, patient demonstrates strong negative emotional signs, i.e. sobbing, aggression

Treatment: if caught early, complete abstinence from windows. After several years they may start to consider trying out the latest version because it apparently forgoes the need for Windows. this is the point of relapse for most people.

if caught late (i.e. >10 years exposure), the prognosis is poor. you can try flooding therapy with Windows, complete abstinence from linux/MacOSX. eventually they may accept the subordinate position to their operating system and be able to share their happy experience of windows with their peers.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:56AM (#14742593)
25 years windows here. I suspect it is some variety of Stockholm syndrome or the fact that several years of "problem attrition" as I call it numbs you to the fact that it isn't a routine thing facing weird issues every day. These are accepted as the norm in windows development teams.

The hilarious thing is the occasional thing I get which is "what do you mean it only too ten minutes?" because people are trained to think that certain things take at least a day and then subconsciously avoid doing them because they don't want to have to explain where that time is going.

I'm going to write a book on this one day.

As for Linux issues, the ONLY issue I've had this year so far is duplicity consuming too much RAM and crashing on a filesystem with tens of thousands of inodes used. This was a relatively easy fix as well. A two line python change. I haven't submitted it yet as a patch because they patched it upstream already when someone else fixed it. Just waiting for it to trickle down to the vendor's repos.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by dm319 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @11:31AM (#14745001)
Yes please do write a book on it.

I do have a slightly strange angst towards Windows - I feel somewhat cheated of my time. I used to reinstall Windows every 6 months just to stop it slowing down, and unlike other OSs where I can script the reinstall/updates, it took a whole day.

To think that all that time I could have been using Ubuntu (my primary work isn't in IT, and I still use Ubuntu) - Stockholm syndrome is probably the right term, or maybe being in an abusive relationship that was steadily getting worse.

I'm probably lying if I said I haven't had a linux problem for 4 years. But nothing major actually springs to mind...

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by pjmlp on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:09AM (#14742388)
I would disagree, having been a Linux zealot between 1995 and 2004, nowadays doing mostly Windows, Web and Android development. Just keep a GNU/Linux netbook around for traveling.

The only machines I had issues where the ones managed by local IT, with their strange images.

The ones managed and installed by me seldom had problems.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:34AM (#14742502)
I'd say the ones I have managed have less problems but not seldom had problems :)
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by ivan_gammel on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:08AM (#14742386)
Well, at least since you mentioned Lenovo, this vendor does have problems with firmware on its devices. On the other side, neither of my colleagues had ever problems with their working environment on Windows (I've developed a lot of very different products on Java, which indeed requires a lot of automation and containerization these days, so it's an multi-OS environment by its nature). There's something wrong either with how you use it or which hardware do you choose. Probably, this OS is simply not for your style of work, just like Linux is not for others. I don't think it's the OS fault.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by jmkni on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:01AM (#14742835)
Maybe you're just not very good at using Windows?

I don't have these issues.

Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by staofbur on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:21AM (#14742923)
I've been building windows applications, right down from Win32/ATL/MFC/C++/DCOM and up to C#/WPF/ASP.Net for 25 years and managed teams of 80+ developers. I can drive windows in my sleep. It's not that. It's a fundamental quality issue caused by a combination of tangled complexity and framework schizophrenia.
Re:Ubuntu now available from the Windows store by kalleboo on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:44AM (#14742284)
I've heard stories like that about every PC laptop manufacturer. Including Microsoft themselves with the Surface!

Somehow desktop hardware seems a lot more solid though.