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Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:17PM (#13140554)
Wow, this address a major problem I have.

I have decent hearing, but when I'm in a noisy environment like a bar, I can hear but can't understand what other people are saying. It's why I don't like going to bars/pubs with live performances or ambient music.

People think I'm bored or brooding because I'm not talking to anyone, but I just can't understand anything anyone says, so I can't participate in a conversation.

Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:32PM (#13140685)
Are you sure you have decent hearing? I thought I could hear what people were saying in noisy environments, but couldn't understand anything. This was one of the major symptoms for me before I was diagnosed with moderate/severe hearing loss. It's very isolating. No problems now with a decent set of hearing aids.

Have yourself tested! The quality of life improvement from a set of hearing aids is incredible!

edit: I was 31 when I was diagnosed, so don't think because you're young that you're immune. Generally hearing loss is very gradual so you don't really notice it. If you frequently have to ask people to repeat themselves though...

Re:Bose Hearphones by tibbon on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:44PM (#13140788)
I have a similar problem in loud spaces. Given my activities (motorcycling, guitar playing, powertools, etc) I had assumed my hearing was bad, but when I went to an ENT/audiologist for unrelated things I had them give me a good test on a whim.

For me, the results were that I have hearing ability on-par with a ~5 year old, and they only see adults like me every 18 months or so. I've got a printoff of the chart around here somewhere, but it's well outside the normal, especially for my activities.

On the flipside, I'm very ADHD, which I think hurts my loud-space conversational abilities some. I always figure my ears are trying to listen to all of it at once.

(Most lightbulbs and televisions drive me up a wall, because I can hear them all the time)

Re:Bose Hearphones by manyxcxi on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:03PM (#13140928)
I went to an audiologist a few years back because I could hear certain things that would drive me up the wall. I thought it might be tinnitus or something like that- I ride motorcycles, am on the water in boats, use power tools, etc. Turns out I have exceptional hearing as well, and much better high frequency responses than an average 30 year old. Certain cheap lights and power transformers can drive me absolutely freaking crazy.
Re:Bose Hearphones by okreallywtf on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:00PM (#13141361)
I'm glad to know it is not just me! Our cheap HP printer makes the worst racket, when the house is quiet I can hear it in all the way in the kitchen from the other side of the house. Nobody else notices it, and I tried unplugging it once and it made an even worse noise (probably would fade as the capacitors discharge but when I was trying to sleep without a fan in another room I didn't care to wait).

As a kid I always used to take the batteries out of clocks when I would sleep at other peoples houses on a couch or something but since becoming an adult around 29 I gained a little more mental control so I can deal with that stuff a little better.

Re:Bose Hearphones by seanp2k2 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @02:28PM (#13147404)
Yep, I have to be in a top-floor apartment with earplugs and double pane windows. I live near the mountains and it has done a lot for my quality of sleep and quality of life.
Re:Bose Hearphones by okreallywtf on Sunday December 11, 2016 @08:15PM (#13154740)
That is a good point, when I started sleeping with earplugs at my parents house where I don't have a fan or some noisemaker it made a huge difference to me. I found I would fall asleep much faster even when there was no actual obvious noises to keep me up. I've noticed when I'm falling asleep even minor noises can 'jolt' me (its the best description I can think of) and effectively reset my progress of falling asleep. Putting in earplugs can cut my time-to-sleep in half when I'm away from home.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tajen on Saturday December 10, 2016 @04:35AM (#13144874)
Intra-auricular earphones do the trick for me, temporarily. It's not earplugs but cancels enough to let me sleep.
Re:Bose Hearphones by ghurtado on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:01PM (#13142236)
Also known as the "I'm certain there's a TV that was left on somewhere in this house" phenomenon. I agree, annoying as hell.
Re:Bose Hearphones by vanderZwan on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:09PM (#13142294)
Where "left on" means "merely plugged in, because they used a shitty noisy capacitor that whines even when on standby"

OTOH, unplugging those devices saves you energy.

Re:Bose Hearphones by omilu on Saturday December 10, 2016 @02:39AM (#13144587)
I feel sorry for house dogs and cats, they must be going crazy listening to all the irritating electronic noises that most people don't notice.
Re:Bose Hearphones by vanderZwan on Saturday December 10, 2016 @10:54AM (#13146185)
Similarly: birds and old CRTs and fluorescent lights (they are much more sensitive to the flickering than we are)
Re:Bose Hearphones by spydum on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:17PM (#13143075)
i've noticed more and more cheap USB wall-wart chargers. I can hear them pulsing, it's sort of interesting, but super frustrating when trying to go to sleep (I end up just unplugging.. for which you can hear it scream as it drains)
Re:Bose Hearphones by mjrpes on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:19PM (#13143411)
I used to love the idea of a device without fans or spinning hard drive. But the last two "silent" tablets I've had randomly made very faint, but annoying, high pitch squeaking. Vibrating capacitors, I think. So ironically, I was better off with at least a low speed fan to provide white noise to cover up this faint electronic noise.
Re:Bose Hearphones by ghurtado on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:26PM (#13142406)
Exactly, it doesn't even need to have a picture on the screen.
Re:Bose Hearphones by NovaS1X on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:07PM (#13143585)
I so happy to know there are other people that experience this. When I try to explain to people that I can hear a CRT TV with with no sound/muted just because it's on they think I'm crazy.
Re:Bose Hearphones by StavrosK on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:50PM (#13143918)
I'm 33, I got a powerline plug that emits a high-pitched whine that drives me crazy. When I was in Tokyo, my friends and I would pass outside a shop at night that would have a supremely annoying whine that made me quickly walk away from it, but none of my friends could hear it.

I also frequently have to ask people to repeat themselves and can't hear what they're saying well in noisy environments. I think I have superhuman hearing loss.

Re:Bose Hearphones by kalleboo on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:39PM (#13144053)
There are shops in Tokyo (and other countries) that emit a high pitched noise to keep teenagers from loitering
Re:Bose Hearphones by NovaS1X on Saturday December 10, 2016 @04:26AM (#13144859)
I'm in Osaka right now and you'll find those around the temples at night. They kill my ears but I'm the only one in my group that can hear them.

I think they're meant to scare cats away, but they work well for teenagers and people like myself (26)

Re:Bose Hearphones by Semaphor on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:46AM (#13144425)
While I don't think we have those, there are anti-marten devices for cars that are supposedly outside of the range of human hearing. They really hurt.
Re:Bose Hearphones by khedoros1 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @05:01AM (#13144942)
When I was a kid, we had a monitor that whined when there wasn't any video going to it. My parents couldn't hear it, but I could hear it from across the house. I'd get up when my father went to bed to turn it off.

Closer to what I think you're describing: The TV didn't "whine" really (at least, I was never completely conscious of it), but I always knew when it was on.

My hearing isn't quite as good now, but there are still a few devices that I keep unplugged because they're loud and high-pitched.

Re:Bose Hearphones by stephengillie on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:24PM (#13143840)
With an app like Spectral Audio, you can actually prove this to them. Though informing them of their inferior hearing may not be beneficial to a friendship. Ymmv.
Re:Bose Hearphones by manyxcxi on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:51PM (#13143723)
I was 26 before I realized the whole world couldn't hear CRT screens.
Re:Bose Hearphones by ghshephard on Saturday December 10, 2016 @06:08AM (#13145130)
I find that hard to believe (that the whole world can't hear CRT screens) as the capacitor or whatever it was, winds up/down - it's pretty loud. I think it's the case that there are a lot of older people that can't hear that high pitched scream, and its only younger people who can hear in that high frequency.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mey on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:52PM (#13141296)
What you are most likely hearing are switched-mode power supplies, the cheaper the nosier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply

"The operating frequency of an unloaded SMPS is sometimes in the audible human range, and may sound subjectively quite loud for people whose hearing is very sensitive to the relevant frequency range."

Even analog power supplies will generate a 50/60hz hum (depending on what the power-lines are providing)

Re:Bose Hearphones by Benofiniquity on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:16PM (#13141462)
The hum you hear is actually double the mains frequency (100/120 Hz) with emphasis on odd harmonics going up. Magnetostriction gives you two expansion/contraction events per wavelength, effectively doubling the frequency. (If everything is perfect, spherical cow in a vacuum, &c.)
Re:Bose Hearphones by twothamendment on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:12PM (#13141437)
Yes, the one that came with my Amazon Echo is the worst. I can hear it from 15 feet away. If I walk up to it and push on it it stops. I don't think pushing on it really makes the difference, I was guessing that it has to do with grounding it or something electrical changes when I touch it.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Myrth on Sunday December 11, 2016 @07:19AM (#13150760)
I can hear SSDs, consistently when I plug them, and the noise stops when unpluged, is that weird?
Re:Bose Hearphones by webmaven on Saturday December 10, 2016 @04:10AM (#13144815)
Hah. I discovered I could "hear electricity" when I was about 12 (and I still have a bit of it in my 40's), but luckily it was never particularly annoying (unless it was also quite loud).

Bonus: I leveraged it into the ability to emit (by sort-of-whistling with the tip of my tongue against my palate) sounds in the same frequency range (which has provided many hours of amusement over the years).

Oh, and this age-related degradation of hearing in the upper registers is also the basis of a few interesting things, like devices that discourage teens from loitering[1], and apps that allow teens to communicate under the noses of adults[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito

[2] http://www.psfk.com/2015/09/high-frequency-app-text-ringtone...

Re:Bose Hearphones by Semaphor on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:43AM (#13144421)
Same here. I have above average hearing (30 yo as well) and I hate so many high-pitched tones. But in a club or a bar I can barely understand anyone :(
Re:Bose Hearphones by anotheryou on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:37AM (#13150636)
Same same. Comparing my equal loudness hearing curve to that of my father is scarry, hehe. But neither of us understands too well when is noisy.
Re:Bose Hearphones by conradev on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:20PM (#13141045)
This happens to me as well. I'll walk into a restaurant and there is a high pitched ringing coming from the HVAC on the ceiling, I ask anyone else if they hear it… no one does.
Re:Bose Hearphones by EGreg on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:00PM (#13141804)
I can hear when most TVs are on - actually as I type this I can hear the monitor. It's just a high pitched constant sound like a dog whistle.

Yet when I am in noisy environments I often am much less adept at figuring out what people are saying than others.

Are these two things related?

Re:Bose Hearphones by neffy on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:35PM (#13142049)
Probably not. There is a particular kind of hearing problem, where the brain doesn't process the frequency bins that sounds are broken down into very well. It impacts your ability to do source separation and tell the difference between different sources of sound. The symptom of this particular issue is that you can hear just fine when one person is talking, but have trouble in any environment where there are multiple sources of sound, so several people talking at once, background noise etc.

Because people have no problems in the classic quiet room, one person talking sound test environment, it tends to slip through the simple screening tests.

Re:Bose Hearphones by p4ck3ts3nd3r on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:55AM (#13144460)
"Because people have no problems in the classic quiet room, one person talking sound test environment, it tends to slip through the simple screening tests."

This is exactly why every time I've had an Audiology test, I've never scored above "Average - Above Average", even though I can hear nearly every fluorescent light ballast, powered-on TV, etc. From my own personal tests that I've done with soundwave generators, I can hear up to about 20khz.

Re:Bose Hearphones by ghurtado on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:05PM (#13142257)
> actually as I type this I can hear the monitor. It's just a high pitched constant sound like a dog whistle.

Curse you for this! I've had this monitor for years without a problem and now I can't unhear it!!

By the way, I have the same exact problems as you do: hypersensitivity to high frequencies, and I can't hear / understand crap in a bar.

Re:Bose Hearphones by GrinningFool on Thursday December 15, 2016 @09:22AM (#13184689)
Printers, crt displays back when they were a thing, cheap chargers... even low-end LCD displays. All of them emit a high pitched frequency that can be maddening.

Interestingly it's pitched above the range of my tinnitus so I get to hear both most of the time :/

Summer here is my favorite time of year for that reason - the insect noise gets so loud at night, and falls right into the range of the tinnitus and e-noise such that it completely obscures them. It's almost like those sounds aren't there for a few months every year.

Re:Bose Hearphones by jimmaswell on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:31PM (#13142433)
I've wondered if hearing loss can be induced purposely for specific ranges for cases like this. Maybe just loud sound of a given frequency would work since that would only resonate with and damage its associated hairs inside the ear.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tominous on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:17PM (#13142726)
This Reddit comment [1] suggests that people who work around CRTs a lot have a "notch" on their hearing tests at the CRT frequency of 15.734kHz. So yes it is possible.

On the other hand, you probably don't want the tinnitus that often comes with noise-induced hearing loss. Better to be able to turn off the noise (or wear earplugs) than to hear it all the time.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1tepwv/why_is_t...

Re:Bose Hearphones by philovivero on Saturday December 10, 2016 @04:04PM (#13147910)
Naw. Just wear crappy earplugs (that is, that don't do a great job of silencing).

When I wear earplugs I can understand conversations better. Like many others in this thread, I have uncommonly good hearing but find it difficult to hear any conversation in a loud environment.

Re:Bose Hearphones by Faaak on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:20PM (#13141041)
I have the same. They said it was hyperacusis. It's different than tinnitus.
Re:Bose Hearphones by acjohnson55 on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:33PM (#13141600)
This is me too. Also, treble-heavy noises like squeaks drive me insane.
Re:Bose Hearphones by manyxcxi on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:25PM (#13142401)
There is not a hinge in my life that goes un-lubricated.
Re:Bose Hearphones by drhayes9 on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:23PM (#13141074)
I need to get a hearing test, but I can often hear things that people around me can't (TVs, radios, bad speakers, etc). But put me in a noisy bar or restaurant and I'm at a loss. I figure it's my ADHD as well.

On a related note, this is why people talking during movies is so infuriating for me: while they're talking the movie is basically turned off for me.

Re:Bose Hearphones by tummybug on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:43PM (#13142102)
Same for me and apparently many others in this post. Can hear fine with a single source of sound, little noises in distant rooms etc but put me in a noisy bar and I can't make out a thing.
Re:Bose Hearphones by alistair77 on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:06PM (#13141397)
Re:Bose Hearphones by lobster_johnson on Saturday December 10, 2016 @12:22AM (#13144185)
That page seems pretty... unscientific. Sensitivity to coarse language, for example, is a social issue that has nothing to do with sensory sensitivity.
Re:Bose Hearphones by geoelectric on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:51PM (#13143257)
You might want to find an audiologist who knows how to diagnose/exclude Central Auditory Processing Disorder. It mimics some ADHD symptoms that aren't specifically hearing related, but also has as a hallmark not being able to separate foreground from background in noisy places and "hearing" people but not parsing the speech.
Re:Bose Hearphones by benmathes on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:37PM (#13141628)
Some of the earliest work that Kahneman and Taversky (think behavioral economics or biases) stumbled upon that told them the brain was filtering/processing unconsciously and incorrectly was hearing focus. Different people would be able to recall strings of numbers played into each ear at varying levels of ability. The better you were at picking up more input streams, the better a bus driver, fighter pilot, or tank captain you would be.
Re:Bose Hearphones by seanp2k2 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @02:26PM (#13147390)
Same-ish, I have perfect hearing and my eyesight is 20/15. I can barely hear people in bars or clubs. The best solution I've found so far are musicians ear plugs which attenuate most of the bass and highs in such environments. I've tried a few brands from Etymotic to Surefire to Alpine and I generally like the Alpine ones the most. Flare Audio also makes some, and I've looked at DUBS before as well. A few years ago, Etymotic was one of the only good products in this space, but there are a few now.

I'd definitely pony up for a pair from Bose. Their headphones don't impress me in the outright SQ department, but they have the best noise cancellation tech I've heard.

Re:Bose Hearphones by bogomipz on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:04PM (#13142250)
>"For me, the results were that I have hearing ability on-par with a ~5 year old, and they only see adults like me every 18 months or so."

Can you elaborate on this? Is this good? Does that age correspond with undamaged hearing?

Re:Bose Hearphones by flatpointer23 on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:16PM (#13142344)
Yeah, that's the implication. Age-related hearing loss is called presbycusis; it's quite common. Some of it can be attributed to being exposed to loud noises throughout our lives.
Re:Bose Hearphones by bogomipz on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:46PM (#13143226)
That makes sense. Thanks. I wonder what thing will be like after people have had 10-15 years of daily music listening through earbuds.
Re:Bose Hearphones by webmaven on Saturday December 10, 2016 @06:05AM (#13145126)
Hard as it may be to believe, earbuds/earphones/in-ear headphones were not invented with the iPod, or even the MP3 player. ;-)

Today, many adults already have significant hearing loss from having regularly listened to loud music on portable players like the Walkman starting 30+ years ago. The first research on this seems to have been done in the mid-80's.

Re:Bose Hearphones by bogomipz on Saturday December 10, 2016 @05:03PM (#13148189)
>"Hard as it may be to believe, earbuds/earphones/in-ear headphones were not invented with the iPod, or even the MP3 player"

Believe I am well aware of that time before ipod/iphone/streaming services etc :)

However back then there amount of time spent by people wearing earphone and headphones was much smaller comparison. Even with the existence of the Walkman it was not common to see people using them for instance in the office and at their desks for hours at a time during the work day.

People also didn't spend hours on the phone chatting socially with them either.

My comment was really more about non-congenital hearing issues being potentially common place in the future as a result of this change.

Re:Bose Hearphones by webmaven on Monday December 12, 2016 @03:13AM (#13156478)
> Even with the existence of the Walkman it was not common to see people using them for instance in the office and at their desks for hours at a time during the work day.

You're only considering adults. Teens definitely did spend hours a day with earbuds in.

Re:Bose Hearphones by jolux on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:58PM (#13141344)
>On the flipside, I'm very ADHD, which I think hurts my loud-space conversational abilities some.

Same. I'm also pretty sure that extreme difficulty sifting through conversations in noisy environments is a symptom.

Re:Bose Hearphones by TrevorJ on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:07PM (#13141407)
I too have ADD and experience this.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mickronome on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:15PM (#13142325)
For me (ADD) it help a lot with a couple of simple music ear plugs. It might sound a bit weird, but the lower volume helps me pick out voices much easier. Also concerts started sounding like music instead of mostly ... noise.

Has been like this forever and have never had any (other) problems with my hearing.

Re:Bose Hearphones by shermanyo on Saturday December 10, 2016 @11:11PM (#13149551)
Can't agree with this more! Seriously, if you're a fan of live music, grab a pair and just try it at the next concert you go to.

Its a signal/noise attenuation, you'll hear _more_ detail, not less.

A pair like these are what I'd consider 'high end':

https://www.amazon.com/ETY-Plugs-Fidelity-Earplugs-Standard-...

But I've always got a cheap set from the pharmacy in my pocket or the car somewhere. Something like this is perfect:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/HEAROS-High-Fidelity-free-case/15...

Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:46PM (#13140804)
Interesting! I can totally see having hyper sensitive hearing being very annoying too. From one rider to another, make sure you always wear hearing protection under your helmet :)
Re:Bose Hearphones by ddmf on Monday December 12, 2016 @03:20AM (#13156507)
I wonder if that's the problem - hearing is too sensitive - I have mysophonia (level 6) and I'm more likely to hear a packet of sweets being opened than someone talking.

Bar type conversations usually have me decoding people's facial expressions and nodding or grimacing at the right times.

Re:Bose Hearphones by freyr on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:39PM (#13140756)
I became unable to understand conversations in noisy bars and restaurants. I had my hearing tested, and it was normal. I can hear one person talking quietly from across the house, but can't understand a person right next to me in a bar. It's very frustrating.
Re:Bose Hearphones by sowbug on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:02PM (#13143762)
A while back I was treated with cisplatin as part of chemotherapy. One of the side effects is ototoxicity. I acquired tinnitus that ranges from unnoticeable to distracting but not severe (I've noticed that green tea is a very reliable trigger for the rest of the day). I self-tested my hearing after chemo and found that I'd lost 15KHz and higher. I knew about the side effects before starting treatment, so I'd already run the same test. Pre-treatment, I could easily hear up to 17.5KHz.

I've adjusted to the hearing changes for the most part, but the most insidious new problem is acute sensitivity to nearby conversations when I'm talking to someone else. The best way to describe it is that I've lost the dynamic range of amplitudes. Rather than being able to focus on one conversation and hear it as louder than the rest, I feel that all of them seem to be at the same volume. The worst is when I'm out walking with another person to have a conversation, and we come upon another walking/talking pair. I need to let the other people go ahead until they're out of earshot.

No complaints overall. I'd have died without the chemo, so it was a favorable trade.

Re:Bose Hearphones by enobrev on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:13PM (#13143384)
Like the others who have replied here, I've found that I have the same issue. I started noticing at maybe around 35 (I'm 38 now), and I know it was something new, as I spend a lot of time in social settings.

I assumed I was losing my hearing, which would make sense as I was a DJ in my later teens and spent a lot of time with large speakers and no ear protection. I went to get tested this past summer and I passed - my hearing is basically "normal for my age". They didn't have much else to offer, unfortunately.

What I've noticed in loud settings, like bars or busy restaurants, is that I can hear the music and everyone's voice at once, but I can't seem to pick out the voices directly in front of me.

It can definitely be a bit embarrassing as I'm constantly asking people to repeat themselves if it's a serious conversation, and if it's not, I try for a while until I lose the thread and then zone out and ask my wife about it later.

Re:Bose Hearphones by maxxxxx on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:02PM (#13140921)
Same for me. I have had my hearing tested several times and always had pretty good scores. But I still don't understand people in loud environments. It would be interesting to try a hearing aid.
Re:Bose Hearphones by canes123456 on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:09PM (#13140982)
Some people with Autism Spectrum Disorder have this issue. I believe I had it when I was younger but it less noticeable right now.
Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:50PM (#13140834)
Agreed. Social situations can be frustrating/depressing if you can't converse like everyone else.
Re:Bose Hearphones by jnbiche on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:41PM (#13142506)
I have the same problem and also was tested with "normal for age" hearing. But I know that most people can hear conversations in busy restaurants, loud cars, etc.

What could this thing be? ENT was very unhelpful.

Re:Bose Hearphones by kmonsen on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:33PM (#13141150)
I have this as well, and respond with talking louder since I think it is the same for everyone. Turns out it is not.
Re:Bose Hearphones by didgeoridoo on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:44PM (#13140783)
It can also be a neurological or psychological issue. I had my hearing tested after years of being totally unable to pick out voices in a noisy environment. Turns out my hearing is actually above average. My ENT suggested that I might just be "bad at hearing", in the same way that one might have poor memory, or have poor visual-spatial awareness. It's apparently a skill that can be trained.
Re:Bose Hearphones by skylan_q on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:48PM (#13140820)
I never thought of it that way but it makes sense. My hearing is fine and I can pick out quiet sounds, far away sounds, high-pitched sounds, etc... But I always have trouble turning the sounds that comes out of people's mouths into words especially if there's other noise. It's not a focus issue, either. I'm probably just bad at hearing speech in those situations for some reason.
Re:Bose Hearphones by jobigoud on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:27PM (#13141102)
I feel research in this area would be very relevant to foreign language learning. At some point you go from hearing gibberish to individual words, and then to being fast enough to assemble the words into meaning.
Re:Bose Hearphones by okreallywtf on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:03PM (#13141375)
I have heard this[1] and my girlfriend (an amature musician) has worse hearing than me generally (subjectively based on quiet situations picking out very quiet sounds or high frequencies) but is way better than me in loud enviornments.

[1] http://io9.gizmodo.com/5839116/lifelong-musicians-can-unders...

Re:Bose Hearphones by faster on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:02PM (#13141818)
An audiologist once told me that hearing is sort of mechanical; does the vibration in the air stimulate the nerves that send a signal to the brain? Processing is where we make meaning of the signal. They are distinct functions.

I hear just fine (slightly above average 'signal' for my age), but in a noisy environment I struggle to focus on the voice of the person in front of me and exclude the 'noise'. That's processing.

Re:Bose Hearphones by dspig on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:39PM (#13141196)
There are different aspects - I have good hearing (measured by quiet tones in an audiogram test) but a worse masking threshold than other people (so sounds are swamped by other, typically lower frequency sounds) but you are unlikely to find an audiologist who will test you for this, and anyway there is not much you can do about it.
Re:Bose Hearphones by mabbo on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:08PM (#13140970)
I have mild hearing loss, but I never realized how much I relied on lip-reading until I started hanging out with a friend who habitually put his hand in front of his mouth while talking. "Brian, you've pressed mute again".
Re:Bose Hearphones by KingMob on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:39PM (#13141191)
I have hearing aids, and I seem to recall reading at one point that lip-reading provides about a 10 dB improvement in speech comprehension.
Re:Bose Hearphones by AdamJacobMuller on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:04PM (#13141391)
I have similar issues and have "pretty good" hearing (been tested in the past 2 years)

My hearing is actually far better than it was when I was younger (32 now), I also had moderate/severe hearing loss from allergies (which I have mostly grown out of).

Re:Bose Hearphones by AYBABTME on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:20PM (#13141953)
I always had a hard time understanding conversations, and thought it was my hearing but multiple audition tests confirmed that my hearing is just fine. I'm guessing it must be some mental inability to process words from the noise, since my hearing is fine. Hence, I don't think the OP necessarily has hearing problems.
Re:Bose Hearphones by JohnTHaller on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:06PM (#13142659)
I've had the same issue for a good chunk of my life. I have good hearing according to my standard and advanced 'musician' hearing tests (aside from tinnitus). But I have trouble focusing on a given conversation in a room full of noise. Places with flat walls reflecting sound make it especially difficult.
Re:Bose Hearphones by solarmist on Saturday December 10, 2016 @05:26AM (#13145006)
I have been tested in the past and I have very little hearing loss (other than some tinnitus), but I have trouble with the same things. If I'm in a bar or club if I'm not watching a person's lips I have trouble following the conversation.
Re:Bose Hearphones by 746F7475 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:33AM (#13151205)
Man, now I'm all worried.

In every physical where my hearing has been tested I've always gotten average results, but quite often if there is some noise in the room (like a dining hall or a bar) I have really hard time hearing what people are saying

Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:47PM (#13141700)
Yeah, I'm sure, I've been doing audiometry tests yearly and the doctor says it's quite good.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tiglionabbit on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:51PM (#13143724)
Being able to pick out one voice in a cacophony is a learnable skill. If you don't have experience it's quite frustrating. I have decent hearing but I avoid these settings too. Talking in them is just too much effort.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Grazester on Saturday December 10, 2016 @10:30AM (#13146050)
I know I am half deaf(well have some hearing loss) and in loud spaces I have problems hearing people also
Re:Bose Hearphones by edge17 on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:46PM (#13140802)
maybe a dumb question, but how do you get yourself tested? does a doctor have to order tests? is it a self-test?
Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:48PM (#13140819)
No not a self test: you need to be tested by a professional. It's done in a sound proof booth using a standard set of tests, including mechanical things like measuring how well your eardrum responds to sound vibrations. I think I pay ~$75-$100CAD per checkup.

You usually don't need a referral as most hearing aid clinics will just let you call up and schedule an appointment. If you want to talk to an ENT specialist though, you'll probably have to go to your family doc first.

Re:Bose Hearphones by berberous on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:26PM (#13141994)
There's an iPhone app these days that will test your hearing called Mimi. Not sure how accurate it is. If you have symptoms you may want to confirm with a real doctor.
Re:Bose Hearphones by AceJohnny2 on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:05PM (#13140947)
This is a known condition, apparently, called "Hidden Hearing Loss" and was covered here a couple months ago:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cant-hear-in-noisy-places-its-a-...

(if the direct link from here gets you to the paywall, it looks like a referral thing. Oddly going to it form Twitter worked, though Incognito and Web didn't: https://mobile.twitter.com/Jieqian_Zhang/status/780613322097...)

HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12637996

Direct link to the papers cited in the article: http://www.nature.com/articles/srep24907

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2812055/

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....

(you can guess I also have interest in the topic...)

Re:Bose Hearphones by calebm on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:59PM (#13142215)
When I've described this problem to people in the past, I used my own term: "deconvolution issue". My mother and grandfather apparently have it too. Cool to see it's being researched.
Re:Bose Hearphones by torrent-of-ions on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:08AM (#13145483)
I think of it more as a "demultiplexing" difficulty. I can hear the sound coming from their mouth, I just can't separate it from everything else and decode the language. I know that my hearing is good, even above average, and I don't suffer from tinnitus. I used to notice that I would have to ask people to repeat things a lot, and that other people didn't seem to have the same problem. I've found that watching the speaker's lips helps to some extent.

My own theory is that nobody can, in fact, hear everything that people say in such situations. But their mind does a great deal of work filling in the gaps. Our languages are surprisingly redundant, and quite often you can pick up everything you need to know from broken audio and other input like facial expressions and gesticulation. I think that my brain is worse at filling in the gaps.

Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:06PM (#13141853)
Wow, never thought the synapses could be damaged. Very interesting to know, will tell the audiologist about these new tests.

Also, the link from Twitter worked, but the direct link hit a paywall.

Re:Bose Hearphones by Isamu on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:24PM (#13140611)
You get no sympathy from people who can hear what's going on. They simply will not understand why you are so withdrawn.

Oddly enough, my wife has somewhat degraded hearing but she hears a lot better in noisy environments than I do. Must be like applying a filter to the noise, maybe she is losing the frequencies that cause confusion for me.

This will be an interesting product to try out - I hope there are more in the area of enhancing everyday interactions, rather than providing new distractions.

Enhanced vision is another area where I am hoping to see new products.

Re:Bose Hearphones by koalaman on Saturday December 10, 2016 @07:24AM (#13145348)
It's hard to express sympathy when you can't be understood. :)
Re:Bose Hearphones by jseliger on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:33PM (#13140693)
Try these: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0044DEESS. I keep a pair in my pocket. They're shockingly good, and unless someone is looking closely for them they're not real noticeable.

They're also cheap enough that a lost pair is not catastrophic.

Re:Bose Hearphones by robert_tweed on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:03PM (#13140931)
I was going to say the same thing. The general name for these is attenuating ear plugs. A lot of musicians, especially drummers, wear them on stage so they can hear their own instrument over everything else, at a sensible volume.

They vary primarily in their frequency response: some are flat and others are designed to cut specific frequencies more than others (e.g, for bass players vs guitar players).

I found out about them from a drummer who was wearing them in a nightclub after a gig. I initially thought he'd left them in by mistake, but he swore it made having conversations a lot easier. That, and he had no plans to go deaf from the loudness of the music (and you don't learn the drums if you dislike loud music).

Re:Bose Hearphones by djsumdog on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:57PM (#13141336)
I see a lot of live music. I am very lucky a doctor long ago told me I need to guard myself from hearing loss (he was treating me for an ear infection).

I always carry earplugs when I go to shows. Sometimes it's the nice plastic ones; sometimes I lose those and go back to the foam ones. Sometimes I forget and uses pieces of tissue (don't do that. When those pieces get stuck, it's slightly terrifying picking them out of your ear).

Last time I took one of those free hearing tests, I could still hear everything I should for my age range. I can still hear high pitch ringing (like from old CRT monitors), so I think my hearing is in decent shape for being in my 30s.

Hearing loss is a big problem in the US and it's spreading throughout the world. You don't want to be shelling out money of hearing aids later on in life (some are covered by medicare, but still) and once you start losing hearing .. you start to become isolated from people and friends. You will miss things and people won't bother repeating them or you'll just laugh and pretend you heard. It's isolating (according to a sign language instructor I had -- who wasn't deaf, but very impaired).

TL;DR Take care of your ears! Always have earplugs if you see live music a lot!

Re:Bose Hearphones by comex on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:59PM (#13141795)
I don't go to concerts often but when I do, I tend to bring foam earplugs: partly to protect my hearing, partly because otherwise the music is usually subjectively painfully loud. Sometimes when I haven't brought them I make do with tissue.

Problem is, even without earplugs I always find it pretty hard to actually experience the music, comprehend the lyrics, etc. at concerts because it's so loud and distorted. Earplugs reduce the loudness (not as much as I'd like), but they also muffle high frequencies, making it even harder. I've sometimes resorted to the somewhat silly approach of having one ear plugged and one unplugged, alternating every few minutes, so I can hear the music better, while still somewhat reducing the volume accumulating over time. Probably not the best idea.

I haven't tried fancy musician's earplugs yet. I know they're supposed to provide a more even attenuation curve, but they also have less noise reduction overall, which isn't great. I suppose I should buy a pair and see what they feel like at a concert…

But do you have any advice? What's your impression of sound quality at concerts when you wear plugs?

Re:Bose Hearphones by smrq on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:18PM (#13141938)
Foam earplugs are absolute garbage. The difference is night and day.

With foam, it's like being at a rock show underwater. With musician's earplugs, it's like being at a rock show at a reasonable volume. Spend the $20.

Re:Bose Hearphones by wishinghand on Saturday December 10, 2016 @03:57PM (#13147877)
With the sorts of metal and rock shows I go to, it seems like the 12-15db that flat response earplugs reduce isn't enough. My ears still ring with foams that do 33db, even with the highs being muddy. Are there any really expensive ones that have a flat response to at least the 20db level?
Re:Bose Hearphones by Renevith on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:23PM (#13141972)
I also feel concerts can be painfully loud without earplugs (though I find foam reduces the volume too much, so either we have different preferences or you aren't getting a good seal with the foam).

I have the exact Etymotic attenuating earplugs mentioned a few levels up. They don't reduce the volume as much as foam, but they reduce it enough for me, and the sound balance is much better. I can understand lyrics better with those earplugs than any other configuration I've tried, including no earplugs at all.

They aren't magic and they won't get the volume/balance perfect for you, but for $13 they are pretty great.

Re:Bose Hearphones by eanzenberg on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:46PM (#13142540)
The triple-flanged hearos are all you need[1]. I played drums in a few bands and always used these when practicing and playing live. Nowadays I take em to concerts as well. They sound great.

[1]http://www.guitarcenter.com/Hearos/High-Fidelity-Series-Long...

Re:Bose Hearphones by eiffel31 on Monday December 12, 2016 @05:11AM (#13157004)
I regularly go to concerts as part of the audience, and also as part of a band. Getting ear-molded linear -15dB protections has been my best decision ever since I enjoy and practice music. I definitely recommend you give some a try.
Re:Bose Hearphones by farnsworth on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:24PM (#13141084)
Those are the ones I have - they make loud concerts much more enjoyable actually, since sometimes the volume seems to be adjusted for people who are already half deaf, as a result of going to loud concerts... it's a vicious cycle.
Re:Bose Hearphones by smrq on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:20PM (#13141952)
To be honest, I'd rather go to a loud show with earplugs than a quiet show without. Half the fun of a live show is the visceral punch of the literal sound waves.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tonfa on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:51PM (#13142156)
Also covers the sound of people talking during concert (sometimes I wonder if it's intentional).

(another happy user of etymotics earplugs, was life changing for concert experience)

Re:Bose Hearphones by _kyran on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:11PM (#13143598)
Having said that, earplugs can't protect against lower frequencies (that bass through the bone, rather than the air).

Because of this, even with ear protection, damage still occurs at clubs/concerts.

Re:Bose Hearphones by Griffinsauce on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:40PM (#13140765)
Your ears compress sound to a degree when it gets loud, I wonder whether there might be a difference in that capacity. I also can't hear a word in a noisy environment, I'm relatively sure my hearing is "fine"
Re:Bose Hearphones by JoblessWonder on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:06PM (#13141852)
Question: When you wear these, do you get the same sensation you get when you put your fingers/expanding foam earplugs in your ears? It is hard to describe but almost like a humming/pressure sound? Depending on how I put them in I can get that sound or not. When I don't get it, I'm not sure if they are working. When I do, the quality of the audio suffers.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Jtsummers on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:01PM (#13140916)
I've been using these [0] for years at the initial recommendation of a colleague who goes shooting frequently. They've been great for travel on airlines, and for nights out at loud(er) events.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004DH0YOS

Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:54PM (#13141751)
Nice. I use foam earplugs (usually worn by construction workers) when going to concerts.

I get some bad ringing in my ears for a few days if I don't wear them.

Re:Bose Hearphones by newman314 on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:23PM (#13141514)
I'll have to try them out. I love Etymotic earphones and their support so far has been nothing short of fantastic.
Re:Bose Hearphones by nilkn on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:51PM (#13140847)
I have the opposite problem. I can understand people fine in noisy environments, but I can't speak loudly enough for other people to understand me. The end result is pretty much the same, though. I end up not really talking to people much in super noisy environments because it's too much of a struggle for me to try to talk loudly enough.
Re:Bose Hearphones by Cakez0r on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:15PM (#13141459)
Do you have a low voice? I think that's why I have the same problem. Lower voices don't seem to cut through noise as well as higher voices.
Re:Bose Hearphones by nilkn on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:45PM (#13142527)
It is low-ish, but not abnormally or excessively so.
Re:Bose Hearphones by dsmithatx on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:21PM (#13141961)
That's an early warning sign of Parkinson's disease. You might want to google and make sure you don't have any of the other early warning symptoms.
Re:Bose Hearphones by nilkn on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:23PM (#13142390)
It's very interesting and a little scary that you mention that because, while I don't have any of the other warning signs, my grandfather recently passed away just short of the age of 80 from complications due to Parkinson's. For my own sanity I don't want to jump to any conclusions but I'll look into it, and I thank you for the suggestion. For what it's worth my voice has been relatively low and soft my whole life, so it's not a recent change or development. (I'm currently 27.)
Re:Bose Hearphones by amelius on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:58PM (#13142207)
In any case, talk to a doctor about it. Perhaps a speech and language therapist could help you.
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Re:Bose Hearphones by sctb on Saturday December 10, 2016 @06:21PM (#13148507)
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Re:Bose Hearphones by jwr on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:33PM (#13141601)
There is a lot more to hearing than just your ear. Signals have to be processed by the brain and that's often where the problem is. A good example are children with sensory integration problems: a child will often go through phases when it will have trouble "hearing", but the actual problem will be with processing. You then have to repeat things several times so that the child "hears" you, but at the same time the child will have no problem with hearing quiet sounds. Kids are especially interesting because as they grow (and with therapy) you can observe as these things change over time.
Re:Bose Hearphones by rl3 on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:25PM (#13140631)
Same. I often wonder how bartenders do it.

Granted it doesn't stop me from being outgoing, but people having to almost shout or otherwise talk directly into my ear gets old after a while. I suspect it's not an issue with hearing itself so much as the brain processing the information.

In quiet conditions I can usually hear whispered conversations a good distance away.

Re:Bose Hearphones by sophacles on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:46PM (#13140803)
I suspect my experiences bartending lead me to having the problem GP describes. Too much noise over and over... (although the summer jobs working with machinery and not enough ear protection and all the concerts probably contribute too).

But during bartending a few things are true:

* it's not too loud when you have time for a conversation.

* if it is too loud to converse, you're probably busy enough that interaction very simplified to a small subset of language - so lip reading becomes a big contributor to understanding. (e.g. basic greeting scripts, "can i get a..." and so on)

* when it's loud, it's pretty socially acceptable for the bartender to lean in to the conversation to hear - the "personal space bubble" of the speaker tends to shrink in that instance. Similarly a bartender asking you to repeat that a bit louder isn't considered rude.

edit: I wish I was clever enough to say this in as few words as BurningFrog did :)

Re:Bose Hearphones by BurningFrog on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:37PM (#13140728)
The bartender API is very limited. The customer is either ordering one of a few enumerated things, or asking one of 3 questions.
Re:Bose Hearphones by burntwater on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:51PM (#13140841)
This. As a severely hearing-impaired individual, context is EVERYTHING in a conversation. Or, like, 95%. In all but the best environments, I'm not actually hearing what you're saying, I'm pattern matching your garbled sounds to the closet logical words my brain can think of. The narrower the context, the better and faster I can do this.

This is why, for example, I don't answer unexpected phone calls. If I don't know the initial context of the call, the first minute is going to be very confusing for both parties.

Re:Bose Hearphones by victorhooi on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:16PM (#13141464)
burntwater is absolutely correct.

The human brain is remarkably good at filling in the blanks.

I rely on context, plus lip-reading, plus the sounds I do hear to figure out the rest.

For context - I'm not severely hearing impaired - I only have a mild-to-moderate loss in both ears, but it's enough to hamper me in normal conversations, particularly in group settings or noisy environments. I use Siemens hearing aids at work, at church etc. - basically, anything that's not 1:1, or where I can't easily ask them to repeat things constantly.

Re:Bose Hearphones by Cafey on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:53PM (#13140859)
I really really am bad at hearing anything in a noisy environment yet I was a bartender for 3 years and never had a problem getting someone's order. You get used to reading people's lips given that there is only a limited amount of things they could be ordering.

Very often I didn't understand what the clients were talking to me about but then I'd hear keywords like "beer" or "tequila" and the quantity they want is very often requested using hand gestures (finger count).

Even then, the usual conversation between a bartender and the client is very short. To the contrary, when getting together with a bunch of friends you have to listen to entire stories which is way harder.

Re:Bose Hearphones by acupofnope on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:14PM (#13143053)
+1

I've been diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder somewhat recently. Before the diagnosis, I had my hearing tested a couple of times over the course of my adult life but nothing was found. It was during my ASD diagnosis that I've learned that people on the spectrum may sometimes have sensory issues, and sometimes hearing is affected. It explained why I can't understand what people were saying in noisy environments where everyone else seemed to carry out conversations normally.

Re:Bose Hearphones by teddyc on Sunday December 11, 2016 @11:01AM (#13151587)
same
Re:Bose Hearphones by stcredzero on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:52PM (#13140850)
I often have difficulty parsing speech in noisy bar/club environs. This has always made me into a bit of a wallflower. Then I started dating a woman who was also very wallflowery, but mostly because it was a lot of effort for her to talk loudly.

We ended up having a lot of arguments, because she'd say things to me, I'd tell her I couldn't understand what she was saying, then she'd refuse to talk louder but still hold me accountable for remembering what she said.

Re:Bose Hearphones by randlet on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:54PM (#13140873)
Oh how I know that feeling. The absolute biggest benefit of getting hearing aids was that my relationship with my wife improve immensely. Not joking at all, it was a constant source of friction between us even though logically we both knew neither one of us was really to blame.
Re:Bose Hearphones by kumaraman on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:15PM (#13141457)
Auditory processing disorder sums up a lot of what you are describing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_processing_disorder

Re:Bose Hearphones by ChuckMcM on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:56PM (#13141330)
Same issue, although exacerbated by a misspent youth near noise sources like teletypes and machine rooms. Certain high frequencies in my hearing spectrum were damaged which, as an audiologist demonstrated for me once, means I can't hear some allophones, especially from people with high voices (children, women). When its nominally quiet, my brain can fill in what those allophones would have been and I "hear" them normally, but when there is wide frequency noise in that spectrum the missing allophones cause the phonemes to become impossible to decipher. She had this tool that would play back words and could remove frequencies with a notch filter and replace the missing sound with either silence (still understandable) or noise (not understandable). Tuning a hearing aid to boost those weak areas works well for me with the exception that hearing aids don't benefit from the brains ability to focus on sounds in particular directions so they enhance the spectrum areas from all around rather than just where I'm looking.
Re:Bose Hearphones by steamer25 on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:45PM (#13140795)
There's a little bit of a life-hack for this (assuming your hearing really is okay) in loud environments... Push the little flap of the recipient's ear (the flap is called the 'tragus') over their ear canal to seal it off. Then you can lean in and speak loudly enough to overcome the ambient noise without hurting them.
Re:Bose Hearphones by amag on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:50PM (#13140837)
Assuming of course that the recipient is ok with you touching their ears...
Re:Bose Hearphones by gaius on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:08PM (#13140971)
The Army Rangers have headphones that cancel gunfire and explosions and enhance voices, they say they can have a normal conversation in the middle of a battle. Very clever!
Re:Bose Hearphones by remarkEon on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:31PM (#13141135)
Yeah, Peltors. Just don't forget to replace the batteries.
Re:Bose Hearphones by jeff_marshall on Friday December 09, 2016 @07:52PM (#13143264)
Indeed. I've got a set for range use and they work great (esp. on outdoor ranges).
Re:Bose Hearphones by fapjacks on Friday December 09, 2016 @06:34PM (#13142847)
Not only Rangers, but any unit that will order them for you.
Re:Bose Hearphones by codazoda on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:24PM (#13141979)
I... Uh... Doesn't everyone have this problem?

Maybe this is another reason people think I'm brooding. I can only hear the people directly next to me in a noisy environment; not the people on the other end of a table for example. I typically assumed they couldn't hear me either, but now I'm wondering.

Re:Bose Hearphones by dghughes on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:35PM (#13142050)
I work in a noisy (slot tech in a casino) and I was able to adapt to it to be able to hear people distinctly in a very noisy environment it's called the cocktail party effect.

Through a crowd of people and and multiple noisy machines I could hear someone ask me "Where is the bathroom" or "How do I..." I guess it's a learned skill.

Up to a limit I mean it's not a superhuman skill just existing in certain circumstances and in my regular environment. I'm sure I'd be terrible in a noisy environment I'm not used to.

Re:Bose Hearphones by webmaven on Saturday December 10, 2016 @07:23AM (#13145343)
Your description marks you as about average. What GP is describing is not being able to hear/understand people that are right next to them in a noisy environment, unless someone is literally talking directly into their ear.

That said, yes, it is entirely possible that someone at the other end of the table could hear and understand you.

Re:Bose Hearphones by santoriv on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:47PM (#13140812)
My mother has this issue (and so do I). Her doctor told her that the problem was a cognitive issue. Apparently some brains have a hard time filtering all of the noise into something we can understand. Have no idea if it's true but seems plausible.
Re:Bose Hearphones by kolinko on Saturday December 10, 2016 @09:21AM (#13145737)
Did you get tested for ADHD? Many people with ADHD have problems with focusing on a conversation, especially when there is a lot of noise around.

Their hearing is perfectly fine, but they drift away a hundred times a minute.

You don't have to move a lot to have ADHD. Here is a fun test/explaination on how it works in adults: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iozAFIr3BEw#t=50

Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Monday December 12, 2016 @02:43PM (#13161203)
Yes, a psychiatrist evaluated me prescribed Ritalin.

I had a nice improvement in concentration and attention to what I'm doing at work, but I haven't gone out to a bar or concert since, to try talking in a noisy environment.

Re:Bose Hearphones by nkrisc on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:40AM (#13145591)
I have the exact same problem. This could really be a life changer for me. Only recently I was at a reception at work after one of our town hall style meetings and in the large room with many people talking, I could barely hold a conversation. It literally took all my mental effort just to hear what the person if front of me was saying. I left shortly after because I couldn't talk to anyone.
Re:Bose Hearphones by CorvusCrypto on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:38PM (#13140748)
Actually just getting some earplugs helps this. Will filter your noise and make it really easy to have a conversation at normal level with someone near you. Use this myself for sports events, sometimes lounges, and of course flights. They cost way less than these headphones and work just as well to quell the problem you have.

Or if you don't want to use earplugs, just plug your ears when someone is talking to you. Same effect really.

Re:Bose Hearphones by nialo on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:49PM (#13141274)
I've recently started carrying earplugs on my keychain for basically this reason, everything just sounds much better. The only tricky thing is remembering to speak loudly enough so that everyone else can hear me.
Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:57PM (#13141782)
Never thought about carrying them in the keychain, nice idea.
Re:Bose Hearphones by tim333 on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:22AM (#13145527)
Possible fix:

I suffer a bit from tinnitus and as a result have taken to carrying earplugs for noisy environments. I find in addition to protecting my ears I can hear conversation better. I think basically the ears work better in the normal db range and don't function so well if overloaded. My kit, approximately:

Holder: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Emergency-Cash-or-Pill-Keyri...

Wax ear plugs: http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Muffle-Wax-Earplugs-5-Pairs-_1...

Wax is quite good because you can adjust the effect - put in loosely they don't block much, squish them down and they do. I also chop them down to fit which the packet advises against. I recommend for tinnitus avoidance if nothing else.

Re:Bose Hearphones by dpeck on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:36PM (#13140727)
I'm the same and it drives me (and my wife if Im honest) crazy. For whatever reason I pick up background noise with much more intensity than most people. Surround sound is useless to me, I'll hear cricket chirps and background music over the dialog.

I can more of less push through it at a pub and in other social situations but its extremely draining.

Re:Bose Hearphones by dacracot on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:48PM (#13140826)
You have described my problem exactly. It's impossible to explain to someone who hasn't experienced it. I've been tested and other than tinnitus, I'm told my hearing is normal. This could be awesome.
Re:Bose Hearphones by intsunny on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:42PM (#13142099)
Please checkout King–Kopetzky syndrome:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Kopetzky_syndrome

Re:Bose Hearphones by baldfat on Friday December 09, 2016 @09:30PM (#13143660)
Had that my whole life. I was diagnosed with "Hyper-Hearing" were normal people have a frequency bumps and dips in their hearing my was a straight line all at the top.

Now that I am lower I have ringing ears and lost the high frequency range of sound to a "slightly bellow level" and will probably never have to have hearing aids. My brain just couldn't figure out how to filter out all that noise.

Re:Bose Hearphones by tn13 on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:05PM (#13141845)
Get medical help to test yourself. This is not to scare you but there are large number of sometime even trivial health issues that might cause this. It will hurt your social professional life.

I use to avoid drive-through, phone conversations etc. because there was always a 10% chance that everything I heard seemed like other person mumbling something. Medical help helped me correct the problem.

Re:Bose Hearphones by boobsbr on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:08PM (#13141875)
If you don't mind me prodding, what was the condition causing this for you?
Re:Bose Hearphones by ghurtado on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:00PM (#13142223)
You may have auditory loss that affects only certain frequencies.

The problem is easily masked in a quiet environment, since your brain has more aural information to put the words together, but in a noisy environment, where many of the speech frequencies are cancelled by ambient sounds, you don't receive enough aural information.

Re:Bose Hearphones by mgv11 on Monday December 12, 2016 @06:45AM (#13157377)
Woah, so many people "suffer" from the same thing!

edit. As for these hearphones, would be interesting to test them, but dont think I've used them. Never seen the problem as a big thing. More like annoyance perhaps. And yes, I am cheap.

Re:Bose Hearphones by rubyfan on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:52PM (#13142169)
+1 I have this same issue. I can hear but can't quite make out the details especially in places with a lot of background or competing noises.

This looks like a new spin on an old concept though. Perhaps it's made more practical since we all carry phones now.

Re:Bose Hearphones by technofiend on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:38PM (#13142480)
Too many 80s rock concerts mean there's a giant downward notch in the center of my hearing range. I gave up on socializing in loud environments long ago because people speaking is what I hear the least. I will definitely give these a try!
Re:Bose Hearphones by vgrafe on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:29PM (#13141567)
Happy to see (with your comment and subs) that I am not alone. For my case, it is explained by the fact my right ear is deaf (I was born like that). The left one has perfect hearing, but I guess missing stereoscopic sound totally changes the game.
Re:Bose Hearphones by sdfjkl on Saturday December 10, 2016 @09:39AM (#13145804)
Re:Bose Hearphones by acoubrcre8d on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:34PM (#13140702)
I have great hearing and totally agree. I am always annoyed being out with a bunch of friends around a restaurant table and no one can hear further than about 2 people away from them. This seems kind of neat!
Re:Bose Hearphones by pc86 on Friday December 09, 2016 @02:02PM (#13140920)
Not to piggy back off randlet, but I would venture to say that most people would consider being unable to hear conversation when there is background noise the opposite of "decent hearing."
Re:Bose Hearphones by pmarreck on Saturday December 10, 2016 @08:24AM (#13145536)
Re:Bose Hearphones by augustflanagan on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:21PM (#13143412)
I have this exact same problem. It's been something that has bothered me for over a decade. I'm really excited to see if these work for me!
Re:Bose Hearphones by efrafa on Saturday December 10, 2016 @12:01AM (#13144131)
As a non native speaker I have same issue.
Re:Bose Hearphones by lanius on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:31PM (#13142021)
I'm not alone! I always assumed I had something like the auditory equivalent of color blindness.
Re:Bose Hearphones by sambe on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:50PM (#13140839)
This is an even bigger problem in a non-native language. Not just a social issue but hinders learning.
Re:Bose Hearphones by dzhiurgis on Friday December 09, 2016 @04:43PM (#13142101)
For me it's the height. I either have to lean in for 10 cm lower or I start missing pieces.
Re:Bose Hearphones by arunc on Saturday December 10, 2016 @11:05AM (#13146255)
I thought I'm alone!