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Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by ChuckMcM on Thursday May 12, 2016 @10:51PM (#11688319)
That layoffs have increased should not surprise anyone at this point. Unlike the dot com explosion it seems painfully difficult as a regular employee to have divested some of your equity gains mid-bubble. That makes it more painful.

However, every time there is a great deflating, it is because the market is tired and preparing to embrace something different. So far I've been through several of these, chips in the 80's dot coms in the late 90s, storage in the early 2000's, and now either web 2.0 or social (depending on how you score it). Three threads are competing for the next round, IoT, Machine Learning, and Bioinformatics. CRISPR derived technologies could be in there too but I see a lot of regulatory hurdles headed that way which will be hard to dodge.

The thing to keep in mind though if you are one of the folks getting laid off, it isn't you its them. Seriously. Layoffs happen when the world shifts and your company didn't shift with it. That said, it still sucks to suddenly be out of a job and the temptation will be to grab at the first thing that offers you something. My advice to you is to be thoughtful. Think through what you want to do, what the world is going through, and how you want to look back at your role on that. Then head for the area that best meets those needs.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by nostrademons on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:29AM (#11688801)
The interesting thing to me is is that each of these inflection points, the industry had a set of 2-3 possible "next big things", and then none of them happened and the actual next big thing was something different.

In the early 90s, the next big thing was WebTV, VR, or PDAs. Instead, we got the WWW.

Post dot-com crash, the next big thing was P2P, enterprise software, and the semantic web. Instead, we got social networking.

In 2008, the next big thing was casual games, (micro)blogs, and embeddable widgets. Instead we got mobile and the sharing economy.

Now, the next big thing is wearables, IoT, or AI. And who knows what we're going to get?

Looking at the patterns, it looks like the mistake most people make is to extrapolate the last big thing into the next, not being willing to make a big enough conceptual jump. So enterprise software, the semantic web, and P2P are all offshoots of the WWW and all enjoyed some modest success, but a different offshoot of the WWW (social) connected it to a different area of peoples' lives. Casual games, microblogs, and embeddable widgets are all offshoots of social, but a different offshoot of these social changes was enabled by mobile, which enabled totally different ways of interacting.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:47AM (#11689472)
I have a hard time seeing how that is accurate. People misjudge the timing and widespread it will be, but those next big things you mentioned are billion dollar industries now.

WebTV -> YouTube, Netflix. VR -> Warcraft, EVE Online, Minecraft. PDAs -> iOS, Android. P2P -> Spotify, Skype, BitTorrent. Enterprise Software -> A lot, but obviously not well known, say Atlassian. Semantiv Web and APIs have largely failed, probably because of the shift to mobile. Casual games -> Rovio, Supercell, King. Microblog -> Tumblr, Instagram, Vine, Twitter. Embeddable widgets -> All the big companies. Failed dot com things -> "sharing economy" and of course earlier things like Amazon.

And most of those things are still successors to other technologies that performed the same function.

Most of the things happend, just as we know wearables, IoT and AI is going to happen. It's when and how that is the question. The people who hype things are always going to dominate over the people who argue the facts, at least in public forums. Look at any discussion on HN about space, self-driving cars, digital currency etc.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by nostrademons on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:07PM (#11691621)
As is often repeated around the tech industry, "Early = wrong". Knowing that mobile became a huge hit in 2010 doesn't really help the folks writing apps for NewtonScript in 1992 or Palm in 2000. WebTV was a specific Microsoft product (that was gonna be huge, it was the next information superhighway!) - it was actually a set-top box more like GoogleTV or AppleTV - and Microsoft benefitted not a bit from YouTube or Netflix's success. If you got the "casual games" part right but missed the "mobile" part, you ended up like Slide, Newgrounds, or Kongregate, all of which are in decline now, usually bought for 2x invested capital or so.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Saturday May 14, 2016 @03:06AM (#11694861)
Newsgrounds and Kongregate was "web casual games platforms" not "casual games companies" like King or Zynga. Notch (Minecraft) worked as a programmer at King between 2005 and 2009. The app store didn't exist until mid 2008. Minecraft is in many ways a casual game.

WebTV is in that case not a good "prediction". You have to look at what the premise is and if the product fits the premise. Cheap and easy access to the web is failing because of it's hard to build an ecosystem. Most people don't want to buy, say a chromebook, if something else with the full ecosystem is available at a similar price point.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by rqebmm on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:08PM (#11692096)
> Knowing that mobile became a huge hit in 2010 doesn't really help the folks writing apps for NewtonScript in 1992 or Palm in 2000.

Which begs the question "were predictions too early, or were early executions insufficient". There are a million examples of first movers who didn't execute. Off the top of my head Yahoo, Blackberry, and IBM OS/2 were first to market for generational techs and then lost.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dragonwriter on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:11PM (#11692115)
> Which begs the question "were predictions too early, or were early executions insufficient".

Its not A or B; its A, in part because of failure to correctly anticipate B. Predicting market success is, inherently, a prediction of market participants successful execution.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Saturday May 14, 2016 @03:25AM (#11694919)
To succeed you often have to get in early, which means that barrier to entry will be low and competition will be extreme. Plenty of these things didn't fail because they idea failed, but because they got beaten by another company, or a simpler or more advanced technology. I think market success is a higher bar than concept or technology success. Which probably means it is more relevant for discussions (more qualified discussion are better).

I said this in another thread. We know that self-driving cars are gong to be a thing in the future. That doesn't necessarily mean that the effort a company like Google makes today is going to be that valuable. It might be that when full autonomy is ready for mass implementation, we already had cars running around with (much cheaper) sensors for years. Since things like highway autonomy and active safety systems are lower hanging fruit. On the other hand if they gather enough patents and full autonomy explodes in 10 years, they have a good position. There's all this complexity yet most of HN is like "Google is the self-driving company".

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by jhanschoo on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:42AM (#11689604)
From my perspective, semantic web (if we are talking about the same things) failed not because of mobile, but for a variety of other reasons. When semantic web was taking off, the web was very heterogeneous, and web authors could not be expected to write proper tags. In addition, it received little support from mainstream search engines like Google, and for good reason; while the intention of semantic information was to help indexing and other agglutinative tasks, by being invisible to the user, a malicious web page might misrepresent the nature of their content.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by osi on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:56AM (#11690109)
The semantic web came silently. Google bought Freebase and has been incorporating that into search. Microformats still live. It just wasn't the big bang it was hyped as.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:54AM (#11689638)
My lasting (but maybe wrong) impression of the semantic web was that it was basically about interconnecting things. I think when focus shifted to mobile, where closed app store with isolated apps were the norm, that idea became less practical. But I can't say if it was because of mobile or just that the companies "grew up" and this was then reflected in not adopting the semantic web and how mobile was designed.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by hosh on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:02PM (#11691159)
There is a part of the semantic web being subsumed by AIs. Viv, Alexa, and Google's and Apple's offering will be interesting as people start creating apps for those. (And as you said, timing and how widespread things get is fuzzy).

Another part of semantic web that had not taken off had to do with www itself. For example, in thinking about blockchain and ipfs, it's possible to create a fully decentralized data store. But to do it well, we'd need to incorporate the semantic web ... And possibly machine learning. I don't think anyone has yet figured out how to do a fully decentralized AI yet.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:49PM (#11691481)
Interesting, my probably incorrect assumptions are that the semantic web was largely 2000s era hype that didn't really take off. What are Vivs, Google and Apples semantic web offerings? I guess you are referring to the knowledge graph API from Google? Also what's an ipfs?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by hosh on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:39PM (#11692734)
One more: Buckminster Fuller had this concept of ephemeralization. He talked about how technologies get smaller and smaller until they are invisible. For example, water and sewage pipes are ephemeralized. They are ubiquitous (at least in first-world countries) _because_ they are invisible. I think that is what happened with semantic web. It didn't vaporize so much as ephemeralized.

The AI/ML platform is interesting because I think a lot of it is shifting over to voice-based, rather then web-based (or mobile/tablet-based) interface. A voice-based interface is more invisible than a touch or mouse-based interface.

Come to think of it, adding in the idea of ephemeralization might be a good way of getting a better estimate of timing for a technology. In such a case, voice-interface (and the AIs that power them) would probably be closer to being the next big thing than VR (based upon ephemeralization).

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Saturday May 14, 2016 @03:30AM (#11694936)
William Gibson usually talk about how when things are new they are called with a prefix, like "electro", "cyber", "i" or "wireless". Then when it becomes commonplace it usually just sounds silly. We usually don't say "mobile phone" (unless talking about mobile vs. web/desktop) anymore, but we say things like smart-tv.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dragonwriter on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:07PM (#11692529)
> What are Vivs, Google and Apples semantic web offerings?

Both Google Now and GMail/Inbox -- as well as Knowledge Graph in Google Search -- incorporate substantial functionality building on semantic web concepts.

Some of them are built on Schema.org markup, which is essentially a modern, multiparty defined vocabulary semantic web markup vocabulary.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by hosh on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:33PM (#11692697)
I don't think Viv is offering a semantic web offering. They are using it. Viv is a generation ahead of the current chat bot AIs, and able to deconstruct a query or a request and then construct actions. Those actions span across multiple APIs and ontologies.

I'm not entirely sure how, but the Viv ontologies grows and change as Viv gets used. What would be interesting is to see how the third-party developer interfaces for Viv will look like, and whether incorporating semantic markup in data sources would make it easier to get your offering on the Viv platform. Assuming AI/MLs takes off as the next big thing (which as was asserted, it's not a certainty, but seems likely), I can see the technologies behind semantic web getting resuscitated as people try to get their offerings onto these AI platforms.

IPFS is a completely decentralized store that combines a lot of older ideas in a way that hasn't been tried before. All content is content-addressable (like git), decentralized (like bittorrent), with nodes automatically discovering each other (dht), and a networking strategy that works with NATs. You can use it to publish content, and that content would be pinned or stored by the users who care about the content.

One of the ways you can use IPFS is a kind of decentralized, immutable, unstructured datastore. So if you were writing an app on that, how do you make sure the data is sufficiently structured for your app? You might need to declare schemas, as well as describing a graph of how each piece of data are related to each other. Once you start trying to use IPFS as a kind of decentralized graph database, someone will probably reuse the ideas from semantic web or reinvent it.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:37PM (#11693077)
+1 for mentioning Buckminster Fuller. I have a copy of Spaceship Earth on the bookshelf, a great thinker. Thanks for the detailed response, just in time for some weekend reading : )
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by udkl on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:44PM (#11694218)
What's a bookshelf ? ;)
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by samstave on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:46PM (#11715094)
Its where you use old programming books to put your monitor on so its the right height for you.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by blowski on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:03AM (#11689505)
You're absolutely right. "The next big thing" is a term marketing folks and journalists like to bat around because it (over) simplifies difficult concepts.

The general trends have been miniturisation and ubiquitous connectivity, and they haven't just appeared in one big thing, but in every area of life.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by vonnik on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:15AM (#11690847)
Shrink and grow rich ;)
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by nsxwolf on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:24AM (#11690239)
WebTV was just a thin client device you attached to a TV to access the web and email. It wasn't a video service. So it's probably closer to the iOS category, a device for accessing the internet that's cheaper/easier than a PC.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by wpietri on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:00PM (#11691138)
Could you say more about "WebTV -> YouTube, Netflix"? There are two things I could imagine WebTV meaning here (TVs used for Internet access; broadcast TV including more interactive elements) and both are basically the opposite of YouTube and Netflix.

I'd also question the "VR->Warcraft" thing. the 90s notion of VR was about something much more like the current hype for VR, with head-mounted displays and natural human movement in imaginary spaces. Even in the 90s we had what I think of as the predecessors to WarCraft and MineCraft, which were 3D games like Doom.

I also think you can't sweep timing under the rug like that. The next-big-thing phenomenon has timing as literally the first word. And that's important when talking about technology as a business. PDAs were always a niche business; it took integrating them with the cellphone to make the leap to ubiquity. But none of the PDAs made it into the promised land; Palm even had PDA+Cellphone models, but by then they were too old, too tired, too confused to seize the moment, so Apple did.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:34PM (#11691842)
nsxwolf pointed out that WebTv was something I've never heard about [0]. I guess we didn't get web on the tv so much as tv on the web. I'm guessing the original purpose was to give more people access to the web and that as such is fairly solved by phones. I have a hard time being upset over "they promised us WebTv, but all we got were internet access everywhere".

I think VR was both in the 90s. In large part VR was an interface to getting access to another world. A lot of it stemmed from things like neuromancer for example which isn't really natural world. It wasn't necessarily how realistic a flight simulator is. HTC Vive is quite interesting hese days with the room concept.

It's hard to argue perception of the past though. I'm just saying that plenty of things that are commonplace today, like kids playing (as in the traditional sense of the word) together online, would be science fiction in the 90s.

Regards to timing, I don't think it is unexpected that technology takes a few, or even many, years to live up to expectations. A smartphone is way more like a PDA than it is an early cellphone.

In the end I think the most important part is just having more qualified discussions about these things. We know self-driving cars are going to be a thing and internet connected devices and digital currency, in which capacity it can, should and will be is the interesting part.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dragonwriter on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:04PM (#11692511)
> WebTV -> YouTube, Netflix.

WebTV (The product that was later acquired by MS and became MSN TV, and was discontinued in 2013) is basically a forerunner of web-connected smart TV STBs.

It is distinct from the newer "Web TV" (web-delivered TV-style content) like Netflix and Youtube, though WebTV's successors are a common vehicle for Web TV.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by wil421 on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:17AM (#11689930)
>VR -> Warcraft, EVE Online, Minecraft

How are any of these VR? The first warcraft was released in 1994, Eve in the early 2000s and Minecraft in the 2010s.

None of these use VR. Decent VR was a pipe dream in the 90s but today it will most likely become a reality. Not sure if the public will adopt it en masse.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by blowski on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:49AM (#11690072)
In early 2000s, there was massive hype over Second Life. While that never went mainstream, you could see it as the ancestor of today's WoW and Minecraft. I think that's what OP was talking about.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by philipov on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:26AM (#11690249)
Second Life wasn't the ancestor, so much as a dead-end descendant of a common ancestor, Ultima Online, and Meridian 59 before it. Ultima Online itself was developed to sate a demand for graphical versions of MUDs, which can be said to be the ancestor to the MMORPG genre.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by eropple on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:02PM (#11691161)
I'd say that Second Life is more of a descendant of MUSH/MOO/MUX than of Ultima Online/Meridian 59.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by elif on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:55PM (#11691532)
i second the UO association because of the concept of virtual real estate. In UO housing was a large aspect, regulated with an ownership system, which made the entire world nuanced and relevant. Beyond second-life, I have not seen that level of world-building in any game. Even Minecraft on a server with block area ownership is not the same, as you typically just end up with an endless landscape of art pieces, rather than a functional user-created environment.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by philipov on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:07PM (#11692526)
That's pretty much what EVE Online is. Most of the galaxy belongs to player-owned corporate alliances, who build infrastructure such as space stations and outposts.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by eropple on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:46PM (#11691932)
Before UO came out, MUSHes had exactly that (with object/room ownership and @quota to constrain what you can build at any given point).

Nothing is ever new, of course. =)

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:56AM (#11690421)
As far as I remember the "virtual" hype of the 90s was more about the concept of virtual worlds, cyberspace and having experiences online. I think that part has become true in things like WoW and Minecraft. VR as a technology is still not mainstream, but has always existed in form of simulators and other niche products. I don't think anyone should have expected that to come sooner, because the technology just wasn't ready (cheap) yet. It still isn't in some ways. I goes back to my earlier point, people imagine things one way, but we get something else that is practical at the time. Doesn't mean it didn't happen though.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by emddudley on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:25AM (#11690245)
I would point out that World of Warcraft was announced in 2001 and released in 2004. Second Life was released in 2003. I imagine that it's possible Second Life influenced the development of WoW, but I would hardly call it an ancestor.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by MichaelMoser123 on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:44AM (#11690357)
i am a bit ambiguous about these cycles, its a bit like death/rebirth. Each time i get to work with a new industry: before 2002 i was doing windows stuff , After that it was Linux,networking/security. Now since 2012 its all about storage. the stupid thing is that finding a new job is harder once you are getting a bit older...
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gboss on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:54PM (#11691522)
Did you mean ambivalent?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dredmorbius on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:49AM (#11689182)
Really good point.

I'll note that all three Internet booms have fundamentally revolved around communications and advertising. Web, search, social, mobile.

People like to engage with friends and family, and businesses want to sell. Seems fairly powerful. Ever cheaper and more capable kit has gotten ever more portable.

Don't underestimate people's desire to connect. Or advertisers' to pitch. Though each may also have saturation or backlash points.

Simple and atomic seems also to have beaten complex and integrated.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by icebraining on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:50AM (#11689626)
The problem is that those are so broad that they are useless at actually predicting what will be successful. People do like to communicate, but the 3D virtual chatrooms that were hyped in the late 90s/early 2000s still failed.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:07AM (#11689891)
Yet, how many billions have MMOs made? The hype was right (well, hype often prevents good discussions), the implementation was wrong.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by saalweachter on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:41AM (#11690337)
Forgive me if I've been using WoW wrong all these years, but do people interact with each other using the 3d first-person components?

When used as a communications platform, it's a text/voice communication system with an unrelated 3d game you can play to keep from getting bored.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:12AM (#11690511)
More in the way that we assumed that "people like to communicate", so we built something that looked like the real world. But what people really want to do is share experiences and talk about that, which is why everything from sports to bars exist. People probably don't "communicate" as such in WoW (while I'm sure it happens), but they don't in the real world either.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by icebraining on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:21AM (#11690880)
MMOs already existed, the hype was about 3D chatrooms and such. In any case, as much a success as they are, WoW at its peak still had less than half the users of Orkut, let alone Whatsapp or Facebook. It's relatively niche compared to the expectations.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by uola on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:53AM (#11691096)
Habbo, even though it has an enormous churn rate since it mostly attract teens, is still one of the most successful communities out there. It just that now these things are commonplace so it's not very exciting anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virtual_communities_wi...

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by icebraining on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:48PM (#11691942)
According to its wiki page, Habbo has ~5 million monthly uniques. HN has 3. Reddit has 227.

Habbo has many registrations because of the churn rate you mentioned and that it's been around for 16 years, but it's not that big. And it certainly doesn't make billions.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dredmorbius on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:32AM (#11690294)
Cheaper, simpler, sufficient technologies typically win over complex ones. Email over complex 3D chat. Async over sync. SMS over voive. Image sharing. FB over blogs. Mobile over fixed. Complexity (in the eyes of the user) is virtually _always_ a loser.

And discretely monetizeable chunks -- ads, music sales, monthly services, frequent sales. The dream of a ubiquitous, always on, universally accessible information stream of the 1950s - 1980s seems not to be compatible with business necessities.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by zeemonkee3 on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:22AM (#11689275)
Some failed ideas from the original dotcom boom just got recycled, such as Webvan. Better technology and market conditions meant that a bad idea in 2000 made more sense in 2015. So we might see some failed ideas from today succeed in 5 or 10 years' time.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by dragonwriter on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:57PM (#11692455)
> In the early 90s, the next big thing was WebTV, VR, or PDAs. Instead, we got the WWW.

That's kind of confused: WebTV was a predicted next big thing after the WWW (it was, in fact, seen as a progression of the WWW).

Of course, mobile (PDAs, basically) was big in the next wave you cite, and VR is, if not quite big, just hitting the consumer market in a noticeable way now. And WebTV is basically the original SmartTV STBs, which are now an integrated part of most consumer TVs. So, another one that went big, if somewhat later.

> In 2008, the next big thing was casual games, (micro)blogs, and embeddable widgets. Instead we got mobile and the sharing economy.

Microblogging was predicted earlier, and became big (as a key part of 2nd wave social networking -- FB/Twitter, which displaced MySpace, etc.). In fact, its so central to them that its just been absorbed into the concept of what social networking is rather than being called out as a separate, distinct thing anymore.

Ditto with casual games, which then moved from social networking platforms largely to mobile, and while some of the original developers went through a bust after their initial boom, that seems to because the market got more competition, not because it stopped being big. So, of these, the only one that wasn't true either before or shortly after 2008 is "embeddable widgets".

> Now, the next big thing is wearables, IoT, or AI. And who knows what we're going to get?

Well, judging from the success of the other things you point to, probably all three of those (or at worst 2 of 3), but only one of them will hit it big in this wave, and the others will be one-two waves later.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by sevensor on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:10AM (#11690499)
I'm especially wary of claims that AI will be the next big thing. This would be, what, the fifth time? The sixth? I think we're due for another AI winter, given all the ill-informed hype around artificial neural networks.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:01PM (#11691574)
Is "AI winter" the semi-official term for the period receding of AI progress?I feel like I keep hearing this term.

Do you think neural networks are just hype? I am curios, because Tensor Flow seems to be a real product but I can't speak to how much of that is Google's marketing.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by sevensor on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:37PM (#11692315)
"AI winter" is a pretty official term -- it even has a Wikipedia entry. I actually don't think neural networks are just hype, any more than previous AI technology was just hype. A lot of great things have come out of AI research -- logic programming, expert systems, even genetic algorithms -- but each in turn failed to deliver on the unrealistic expectations that were built up around it. We see pictures of ANNs hallucinating, and they seem to promise machines that can dream. But in reality an ANN is just a statistical model trained on a large corpus of inputs belonging to a particular domain. They're profoundly effective at what they're good at, and it's cool to see them pick apart a picture and tell you what's in it.

However, I've been hearing crazy talk, especially in the popular press, about how strong AI is just around the corner, how AIs will soon replace people, what will we all do when machines can do everything for us, and so on. It's been repeated on a ten to fifteen year interval since the dawn of the computer age, it's no more true than it was the last time, and we should know better by now!

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by raincom on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:39PM (#11692334)
Very true. This has been the criticism of AI since 1990's. For instance, Berkeley philosopher Hubert Drefus wrote a book "A critique of Artificial reason". A great book to understand the limits of AI.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by smaddox on Sunday May 15, 2016 @01:11PM (#11701701)
I agree that we have a very long way to go before strong AI. That being said, I also think quite weak AI is sufficient to commandeer the vast majority of existing jobs, and it's not clear how our socio-economic systems will handle that.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by ultimatefan1 on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:20PM (#11691720)
whenever you ask a smart person in tech what the hardest industries are to "disrupt" these days they always say healthcare and education. healthcare has so much money and inertia in it that nothing will happen fast. but education, otoh, is ripe. all students have access to computers and phones, which was never the case. it won't be changed by a single good idea, but if you believe in Steve Case's Third Wave idea, then education is the place to look
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:48PM (#11693141)
I think healthcare and education are very similar in this respect though and hence both equally difficult to disrupt. Even given the presence of connected mobile devices college classes still require 200 dollar text books. Both of these industries are pretty well entrenched and their costs far outpace inflation.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by paavokoya on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:36AM (#11688824)
The financial world is absolutely ripe for an overthrow... People don't seem to want to think or talk about that though.. Means embracing a certain cryptocurrency that everyone wants to hate. Cognitive dissonance casts a strange aura over the future that many don't enjoy confronting.

The ones who have overcome it are always just sitting and waiting for everyone else to catch on.. (think social media). Takes a while of digesting and overcoming misunderstandings.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by grey-area on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:02AM (#11688884)
Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed, not in its technology, but because it solves the wrong problems - most consumers want verified identity, reversible transactions, accountability, a centralised source of truth, central insurance, and real-time transactions.

They don't want a federated pseudo-anonymous crypto-currency, just anonymous enough for theft without consequences, which requires them to hoard tokens on their home computer or a trusted server with extraordinary security measures as if they were gold coins and then pay a variable fee and wait a variable length of time (10 minutes!) to actually verify a transaction. I suppose gold bugs might be happy with it as a replacement for gold or stacks of cash under the mattress but as a currency it has glaring shortcomings. I don't think many people hate bitcoin, they just find the hype for it and its blockchain overblown and myopic. It's an interesting experiment, but it's unlikely to replace the currencies we have, I suspect that will happen at the transaction layer, not the currency layer (the underlying currency to a transaction is in many ways uninteresting).

The financial industry may well be ripe for disruption (indeed some startups in the UK have started), but the founding tenets of bitcoin are such that it is not a suitable replacement.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by mahyarm on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:08AM (#11688896)
Bitcoin or some derivative is better as a foundational bank reserve currency or wire transfer replacement than the actual direct thing you use. Someone else will build the next equivalent of visa on top of it.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by grey-area on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:25AM (#11689419)
Someone else will build the next equivalent of visa on top of it.

For the reasons given above I find that highly unlikely. Proof of work and distributed consensus are at odds with the requirements of a global real-time processing network.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by jcfrei on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:00AM (#11689663)
Some people have mentioned this before but I forgot who they were: The blockchain is very likely to disrupt the financial sector, specifically the whole industry which is now in place for settlement/clearing when transferring financial contracts (shares, bonds, CDS, etc). A unified API and single public ledger could really bring costs down for those transactions and that's what a lot of financial institutions are interested in. I don't think it will have much value as a reserve currency, especially since it relies on computational power (so the amount of control is mostly based on economics - ie. the availability of cheap electricity and APUs) rather than political power.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by daemin on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:38AM (#11689594)
I don't like the fact that bitcoin basically relies trading electricity for money in a nonsensical way. Having large exchanges built on it seems like a terrible idea, where financial places will be required to gobble up immense amounts of energy just to operate. It just won't make financial sense to do this as I can see it now.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by CyberDildonics on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:27AM (#11689765)
Mining resources are not correlated to scaleability.

Once again, whatever people's views on bitcoin at least realize that mining hashes don't dictate how many transactions can be processed by a miner. They mine a block, then they include as many transactions as they think they can get away with and keep the latency low enough to propagate. Right now they are capped by a block size limit which is the real next hurdle. Some people think there should be no block size limit - latency already becomes a limit in itself.

To hammer it home - someone using bitcoin does not need to use any more electricity than a computer and internet connection. The miners use the electricity and the amount of transactions they process is not directly linked in any way.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by stale2002 on Saturday May 14, 2016 @02:41PM (#11697484)
The amount of money spent on electricity is a rounding error on top of a rounding error, when compared to how much wealth/money the current financial system uses to make it run.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by te_chris on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:17AM (#11689095)
The banks already are working on blockchain based interchange, at least from what I hear in the UK
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by douche on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:14AM (#11689538)
10 minutes seems like the blink of an eye next to how long it takes money to show up in my bank accounts from ACH or wire transactions. Usually it's at least two days, sometimes three or four - apparently computers take bank holidays too...
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by ropiku on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:36AM (#11689588)
But that's only the US. UK/EU has shown that you can have instant free bank transfers.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by majewsky on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:48AM (#11690063)
Hue? I'm in Germany, and SEPA transfers usually show up in the recipient's account on the next business day.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by foldr on Sunday May 15, 2016 @05:52AM (#11700194)
Transfers are instant in the UK now, and have been for a few years.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by plafl on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:28AM (#11690266)
Same in Spain
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by grey-area on Saturday May 14, 2016 @12:16PM (#11696752)
Faster payments transfers take seconds, and debit/credit cards usually under 1 second. Those are the competing technologies.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by 666_howitzer on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:23AM (#11688924)
Bitcoin supports reversible transaction, if you don't trust the vendor, it's not that hard to use a trusted escrow service.

I agree bitcoin does have its flaws, economically bitcoin behaves like a commodity, which might hinder consumer adoption. There are ways to get around that, you could potentially issue a anonymous currency of sorts backed by bitcoin, with a fixed exchange change rate. So, the prices could remain relatively stable. May be that could drive consumer adoption.

TBH, I don't know what bitcoin is going to look like in the next 10 years. It's like the internet all over again. Just like the internet, bitcoin value doesn't necessarily come from the underlying utility as a transaction platform or in case of the internet TCP/IP, but from its distributed , permissionless and decentralized nature of governance. We know for a fact, that's what drives innovation.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by hueving on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:50AM (#11689012)
>permissionless and decentralized nature of governance.

I was under the impression that more than 50% of the mining power is controlled by a very small set of Chinese miners. Could they not wreak major havoc by deciding to tweak the protocol themselves or not adopt certain features?

Similarly, what happens if the few bitcoin core developers decided to do something nefarious with the client. Surely they would be caught right away, but then how would the community decide on what software/protocol to use?

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by CyberDildonics on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:37AM (#11689792)
I think the reason it is working and has worked so far is aligned incentives - doing something nefarious or selfish will ultimately work against you as people abandon and avoid you.

There is no doubt though that cryptocurrencies are potentially fragile. I do think though that pandora's box has been opened. Maybe bitcoin will stand the test of time like jpeg, C, C++, http, TCP/UDP/IP, zip, bittorrent, fortran, x86, SMTP, unix, RTSP, vi, javascript, etc that have been good enough and persisted with a huge network effect. Or it could end up being a jumping off point for something that smooths out the rough edges needed for mass adoption.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by jsemrau on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:59AM (#11689037)
> The financial world is absolutely ripe for an overthrow...

No it is not. Regulation in Financial Services exists for a very good reason. To protect you the customer against the various kinds of risks.

When you run a company and borrow a significant amount of money from a lender you do not want that this lender changes terms half-way through because they are in trouble re-financing their portfolio. The same applies to due-diligence in credit underwriting. Social scoring was hailed as the future of credit origination but it does not work at all (yet). No social characteristic is correlating at to defaults.

What if you deposit your life savings or life insurance with a fintech startup and they do not survive (for whatever reason). Then what?

There are a lot of businesses out there relying on a stable financial systems. Fintech companies will work with established players to bring faster technical implementations and MVP's for banks to implement. After they have done their technical due diligence. Beyond that I am more than doubtful.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:37AM (#11690319)
Oh come on. Did the regulation in the financial system protect "the customer" against a massive loss of jobs and against having to subsidize a bailout of the entire industry in 2008? Did it protect people from banks who were betting against them(Goldman Sachs.)?

I have news for you all of these exotic and toxic investment vehicles that these investment banks cook up, largely because a previous loophole was close are essentially high flying risky startups inside the context of the bank.

Deposits and retirements savings did not survive in the last financial meltdown and this had nothing to do with fintech, these were white-glove investment houses. So yeah people do want protection, protection against this established racket. The established racket is the largest offender.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by andy_boot on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:35PM (#11691377)
>Oh come on. Did the regulation in the financial system protect "the customer"

Yes it did. Nobody lost money in their savings or current accounts in commercial banks (Except Iceland)

What happened in the stock market was different but the core of the FSA/FCA is about protecting customer's money which they did. (See how they were able to ensure none of Northern Rock's customers lost money in the UK).

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:25PM (#11693324)
Maybe people didn't lose their savings in the last meltdown but can I remind you how maybe people have lost a significant amount of their savings overnight by their governments and the bad monetary policies those governments pursued? The devaluation overnight of the Argentine Peso(where incidentally Bitcoin is very popular), the devaluation of the Thai Baht. These are all incidents where people went to bed and woke up much poorer than they were the day before. How about the unsound policies of Zimbabwe(do a google search for a Zimbabwe 100 Trillion dollar bill) and Venezuela that leads to devastating inflation? These were the result of politics and monetary policies that were enacted in the pursuit of those politics. Crypto currencies turn all of this interventionism on it's head.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by drzislav on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:45AM (#11691044)
> Did the regulation in the financial system protect "the customer"

You mean the Glass-Steagal regulation that was repealed prior to the crisis?

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Saturday May 14, 2016 @10:59AM (#11696395)
Repeal of the Glass-Stegal Act was not the cause of the 2008 crisis! Also Glass-Stegal was never regulation to protect individuals. It had nothing to do with customers. Glass-Stegal did allow big banks to get much bigger but it was not about protecting individuals. Glass-Stegal forbid commercial bank from becoming investment banks. The crisis in 2008 was caused by subprime lending, complicit ratings agencies and a derivatives market that speculated against those loans. Glass-Stegal would not have prevented this! I wish people would stop propagating this misinformation. The only reason its relevant to the crisis is because it allowed banks to become "too big to fail", not because it would have prevented banks the players from engaging in reprehensible behavior.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by drzislav on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:09AM (#11713743)
Thanks! This is informative.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:36PM (#11691388)
I wasn't referring to Glass-Stegal but rather the collusion between the the banks and the ratings agency, or banks selling products to investors and then betting against them.

Glass-Stegal would however further my point, its the regulatory capture in the financial industry that allowed that to happen, and by that I mean appointing an investment banking executive from Wall Street to head the Federal Reserve.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by Styx- on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:47AM (#11690055)
I don't really understand the other guys' argument, but I don't necessarily agree with you either.

In my opinion, bitcoin will be overtaken by another coin, most likely ethereum. This is because while bitcoin has many issues, the underlying tech (blockchain) is sound.

The reason ethereum will succeed is because it is not just a currency. It's not even mostly a currency. It is a decentralized network that gives users the ability to engage in trustless programmatic contracts.

Decentralized, meaning that no one person has the ability to tamper with important documents or files.

Programmatic in that contracts are actual programs that get run at a predetermined time.

And trustless in that some third party mediator isn't required to enforce terms. This point is the most important because it means that organizational structures that simply would not be feasible otherwise are possible.

Organizations as we know them today are necessarily built like pyramids (governments, large corporations) or they are kept very small for mobility (startups). With trustless organizations, this won't (always) be true anymore.

And with the momentum of these features, I could see Ether (Ethereum's currency) dethroning Bitcoin. It's already got a fifth of the market cap that BTC has.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by linker3000 on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:43AM (#11689158)
You argument is based on 'finance' continuing to exist and trying to regulate it into some notional form of sanity.

Can you wrap your head around getting rid of the system completely? 'Money' is an artificial numerical system of tokenised management that fundamentally limits our progression as a race. We can't repair roads, fund disease treatment, build structures to house our sick or educate our children, distribute food to the needy because the 'numbers' don't let us. The concept of finance is thrust upon us from birth and we're all but incapable of seeing what a stupid system it really is.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by petewailes on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:27AM (#11689296)
Fundamental misunderstanding of what money is. It's an abstracted version of time and labour, allowing for transmission of from one person to another.

Example. I work x hours and get paid y tokens. y tokens thus equals x hours of my work. I now go and buy a cutlery set. That was produced by n people over m hours, and is sold with p profit. My y tokens is equal to n * m + p, which is equal to x * y.

Money exists to make the n * m + p = x * y things workable. It's an abstracted barter system, where rather than having to work in Sony's programming department to earn a new TV, I can write code for other people, get paid something, and then pay it to Sony, who can equate it to the cost of a TV.

The doing all the things you talked about in the second paragraph is a management and distribution of labour issue, which is down to society and governance. There's many nations that manage those things fine, and have financial systems. The issue is with a society that isn't able to provide those things, because the values held and the outcomes desired are fundamentally opposed.

If you want to fix something, get involved in local politics and make a difference.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by neffy on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:26PM (#11691780)
I would beg to differ. The monetary system might be described as something that is trying to abstract time and labour in the way you describe. But money itself is just a token of exchange.

The monetary system, is an attempt to use money, and market price setting to solve the problem you describe - and that problem is essentially NP complete, so what markets and market price setting, in conjunction with an enormous number of local decisions made in response to those price signals are doing is trying to find a reasonably efficient approximate solution.

It's an untested assumption that the monetary system can actually do that without any regulation. There are good reasons to think that it can't, especially over long periods.

Completely agree about the involvement in local politics - it's easy to be an armchair economist, and ignore the reality that at the end of the day the single most important government function is that the garbage is collected regularly.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by oarsinsync on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:38AM (#11689448)
> If you want to fix something, get involved in local politics and make a difference.

That's a massively oversimplified perspective on the completely broken political systems most of us in western psuedo-democratic nations live in, whereby resolving a lot of the systemic issues requires a lot more than a single individual getting involved in local politics.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by petewailes on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:09AM (#11689524)
Single individuals involved in local politics begins the process of change in a small group, which can beget change in a larger group.

Better to be involved and work towards the change you want to see, than to throw your hands up and despair over the "broken political system of our western psuedo-democratic nations".

That's the point of democracies - they only work when people effectively engage. Most people don't, but that's not a failure of democracy, it's a failure of society. History is rife with examples of single individuals and small groups who made massive change over time. The American civil rights movement, the Indian independence movement, the anti-Apartheid movement in South Afica...

You can work to make change and then bemoan anything you want, but if you choose not to engage, your words lack authenticity and merit.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by oarsinsync on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:24AM (#11689962)
Fair!
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:25AM (#11690243)
Money is a store of value, nothing more. It could be gold, a piece of paper, a coin, an apple, it doesn't matter. It does not represent time and labor. It could be equated with time and labor but that is not what defines money. I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by m-i-l on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:52AM (#11690398)
Money is a store of value, nothing more.

Not quite:

"Money's a matter of functions four,

A Medium, a Measure, a Standard, a Store"

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:30PM (#11691337)
Well I think a medium and a measure are implicit in a store, otherwise you couldn't store them. A standard can be rather loose, when people were using wampum, beaver pelts or cowry shells as money those items weren't all of the exact same, size, shape or color but it was understood that they were a store of value.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by collyw on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:11AM (#11689699)
"It's an abstracted version of time and labour, allowing for transmission of from one person to another."

How does that translate to the billions that hedge fund managers "earn".

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by petewailes on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:18AM (#11689731)
They spend their time engaging in an activity (labour), for which they're given financial reward. Just because you don't equate what they do with work, doesn't mean that it doesn't follow the same rules. They just get vastly more for their labour than other people.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by linker3000 on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:29AM (#11689429)
I don't diagree with anything you said, but your rationalisation of why we have the current system is based on the premise that we have to have the current system.

Overthrowing the system isn't on my bucket list, but it makes for an interesting debate - eg: https://medium.com/@RickWebb/the-economics-of-star-trek-29ba...

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by petewailes on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:02AM (#11689503)
I'm not saying we have to have it. Post-scarcity economics are great, once you've got effectively limitless production capacity. Without that, you've got to have a way for people to exchange goods and services.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gaius on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:29AM (#11689568)
Post scarcity isn't just about production, it's also about logistics, everyone forgets that.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by petewailes on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:17AM (#11689724)
Sure, but if you've got essentially limitless production, you must have de facto solved logistics too. (I can't imagine a scenario where you get production without the infrastructure)
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by zo1 on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:44PM (#11691448)
If you don't have the ability to near-instantaneously "spike" your production to meet demand, then you have an opportunity for arbitrage. At least a time-based one.

Additionally, if you do have over-abundant capacity to pre-manufacture well above that required "spike", then you need to a) use logistics to get it there and b) foresight of knowing where you need to get it to, and how much of it.

Otherwise, you'd have to have the ability to produce any arbitrary amount of it at the desired location when the need requires. By it, I generally mean all products.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gaius on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:16AM (#11690199)
That doesn't follow. One can easily imagine a situation in which the US or Western Europe are post-scarcity but the rest of the world isn't.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by jsemrau on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:19AM (#11689553)
I can wrap my head around a lot of things. But I value realistic pragmatism over ivory tower logic. There are real people in an real economy who want real compensation for their works to fix roads, do research, or construct things.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by akg_67 on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:14AM (#11688911)
> The financial world is absolutely ripe for an overthrow...

The implosion currently going on in fintech indicates otherwise: Lending (Square, Lending Club, OnDeck) and Investment (Robo Advisors) both are unraveling.

A currency backed by no one is unlikely to earn the trust of many.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by cableshaft on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:44AM (#11690673)
What's the internet backed by? You could argue ICANN but that's not absolutely necessary to have an internet, and in fact other countries want their own version of that.

You could argue "the infrastructure of a bunch of ISP companies", but then you can argue that about Bitcoin as well. The infrastructure of a bunch of (eventually) more trusted companies built around the currency (like Coinbase, etc), and the computing power of the miners propogating the blockchain, plus the entire ledger being public and independently verifiable, could earn the trust of many (it might not, but it could).

There are obstacles getting in the way of that, though, including it being such a new and different concept that most people can't wrap their heads around it.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:45PM (#11691457)
I dont agree, its backed by everyone that participates. This is just FUD that is propagated by those with vested interests for preserving the status quo.

A currency policy that is constantly being manipulated and a money supply that is constantly tinkered with(quantitative easing?) is unlikely to keep the trust of many when there are alternatives.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by smaddox on Sunday May 15, 2016 @01:31PM (#11701816)
Any currency that has a supply decoupled from the macroeconomy is doomed to failure as a currency, either through deflation or inflation. Deflation results in hording, at which point there is insufficient exchange and another currency replaces it. Inflation results in divestiture, at which point another currency replaces it.

Maintaining a currency requires threading a needle. Only strong governments have ever been successful at it.

Perhaps there is a technological solution, but it's not bitcoin or any of its brethren, because their growth rate is decoupled from the economy.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by forgetsusername on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:12AM (#11689706)
>The ones who have overcome it are always just sitting and waiting for everyone else to catch on..

Yep, that's the problem with BitCoin alright: a bunch of people sitting on coins because they got in "early", thinking everyone is going to climb aboard and make them rich.

Probably not gonna happen.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gaius on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:26AM (#11689561)
Outsiders radically underestimate the complexity of what banks actually do. A fintech firm that isn't 90% ex-bankers is extremely unlikely to succeed.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by collyw on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:13AM (#11689707)
The reason its complex is because if it was simpler the masses would see how much its ripping them off.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gaius on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:17AM (#11690207)
Ironically one of tne reasons is regulatory compliance and reporting...
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by kordless on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:01AM (#11688880)
Dissonance and causality are related. Not sure how yet, but they are.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by zxcvcxz on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:41AM (#11690029)
I think the next "big thing" is going to be that the internet as we know it comes under much more strict control and people just don't care because they spend all their time in smartphone apps and only browse a few big websites.

It will become much harder for the average person to put a server on the web because they'll have to pay higher fees and go through more and more bureaucracy. Kind of like what happened to radio.

A few big companies will own 90% of high traffic sites and the only way to get access to "unapproved" software will be to root your device, which will put you on a terrorist watch list.

We'll assimilate under a few main services:

- a social net (facebook/twitter)

- a search engine (google)

- entertainment (netflix/walled garden apps)

Everything will feed directly into the NSA. There will be a slight illusion of choice.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by nickthemagicman on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:13PM (#11693541)
What about IpV6
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by sjcrank on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:49AM (#11689624)
"the temptation will be to grab at the first thing that offers you something" I actually think this is a good idea, since it will give you a chance to pay the bills while you take your time to find the best next step in your career. Also, like it or not, there is real bias against hiring the unemployed and you are in a better position to negotiate compensation when you are currently employed.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by technotony on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:36AM (#11688822)
I don't think CRISPR is going to face as many regulatory hurdles as you might imagine. USDA is pretty clear that CRISPR plants are unregulated [1] and the White House is likely in the process of making lighter regulations so that you can apply CRISPR to animals as well [2].

[1] https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/biotechnology/am-i...

[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/07/02/improving-transpa...

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by gourneau on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:51AM (#11689019)
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Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by akg_67 on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:00AM (#11689042)
You may want to consider putting a page about the team on your site. You most probably targeting scientists, highly educated segment of the market. You need to build trust before you can sell online to them.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by rdl on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:30AM (#11689128)
They look intentionally secretive.

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/stealthy#/entity https://angel.co/synthego

It appears to be people from the former Halcyon Molecular, so basically part of the Musk/Nosek/Thiel and Founders Fund insider crowd.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by bogomipz on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:17AM (#11690205)
What kind of tech stacks are involved in CRISSPR?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by engizeer on Friday May 13, 2016 @12:30AM (#11688638)
Would it make more sense financially, during this time to join a larger company? How long do you think before we start seeing regular IPOs of tech companies?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by mhewett on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:06AM (#11688746)
As an older guy who has been through a number of these economic cycles, my feeling is that this will be a mild recession. Nothing like 2000 or 2008. (I'm not always right about the economy but I did correctly take my money out of the stock market on Thanksgiving weekend 2007.) Joining a THRIVING large company right now is a good idea. Google, Apple, Dell. Not HP or Yahoo. Some of the large consulting companies are also in good shape although from my experience they don't know what to do with good software engineers. Also good would be auto high-tech, like BMW or Mercedes Research. That field is in a growth curve that will do just fine during the recession.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by junto on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:58AM (#11689208)
Having also been through a few recessions, of also advice anyone who works in training or marketing to get out now. Training especially is one of the first things companies cut during hard times. Experienced that painfully in 2001.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by ryandrake on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:05AM (#11690471)
Great advice. In recessions, small companies tend to disappear entirely, medium sized companies get gutted, and larger companies, although they do cut, you've at least got a chance to survive and they're not going to go out of business. Take it from another older guy who spent his life in small and medium sized companies and lived through 2000 and 2008 as well, although not as good a the stock market as you :)
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by eva1984 on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:00AM (#11689500)
Genuine question: Would big companies also lay off people during recession? I mean companies like APPL/GOOG/FB. What happen to their employee at that time though? Did they get a pay cut?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by ghaff on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:01AM (#11689868)
Wages are generally pretty sticky. So bonuses might be eliminated and pay increases deferred but it's relatively unusual for base pay to be cut. (And, of course, stock based compensation may suffer in a downturn.) AFAIK, neither Google nor Facebook have yet had significant layoffs. Apple certainly has in the past.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by hyperpape on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:25AM (#11690242)
For Apple, I see layoffs under Gil Amelio in 1997, and recruiters in the last month (http://venturebeat.com/2016/04/25/apple-recruiters-layoffs/). Are there more recent layoffs for engineers?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by eru on Friday May 13, 2016 @07:22AM (#11689745)
Google and Facebook haven't really had rough times yet, so it's hard to tell. Does anyone know about Apple?
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by w1ntermute on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:42PM (#11692352)
They just reported their first revenue drop in 13 years and first-ever decline in iPhone sales[0].

0: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-results-idUSKCN0XN22...

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by rubber_duck on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:15AM (#11689093)
>IoT, Machine Learning, and Bioinformatics.

I'm hoping VR/AR will be on that list as well.

Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by mathattack on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:43AM (#11690040)
I agree. The only thing to add is that the numbers we are seeing today are tiny. In 2000-2002 companies laid of tens of thousands per month, and new jobs were hard to find.
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by Bombthecat on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:05AM (#11688743)
I'm moving soon into iot stuff ( especially api communication, protection etc) I'm really looking forward to it :)
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by batbomb on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:20AM (#11689406)
Bioinformatics was the next big thing in 2009
Re:Tech layoffs more than double in Bay Area by busterarm on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:23AM (#11690566)
And 2003-2004.