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Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by danneu on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:07PM (#10964259)
Whois is great for social engineering attackers. You get a name, email, address, and the first service to attack.

Meanwhile, the ICANN is working around the clock to make it illegal for us to protect our personal information, and whois protection is becoming an increasingly niche service for registrars.

For example, gandi.net (and thus Amazon) doesn't hide your name when you have it turned on. By the time you find this out, it might occur to you to just type in a different name, but now you're violating ICANN policy. And it's already been scraped by any of those whois history websites.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by lucaspiller on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:19AM (#10966152)
In the UK this and a lot more is public information. As an example of what is available about me online (without paying a penny) just by searching for my name:

- The year I was born

- The district I was born (not the exact town, although that wouldn't be hard to guess)

- My mother's maiden name (which is what most banks et al ask as a security question...)

- The areas I've lived (based upon the electoral register, which you can opt out of but supposedly this impacts your credit rating)

- That I am a director of a company

This is just what is available for free - you can get the full records this is extracted from by paying a small fee.

If you know the name of my company (which isn't hard to find out), you can also find for free:

- My full name

- My address

- My date of birth

- Roughly how much I make a year

TL;DR; If you rely on this to 'identify' someone, you are doing it wrong.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Lawtonfogle on Monday January 25, 2016 @09:27AM (#10967297)
>TL;DR; If you rely on this to 'identify' someone, you are doing it wrong.

Which is why the system is set up so that if I go to the bank with this information and take money as you, I have stolen your identity and thus you are the victim and are responsible for the losses unless you fight back. Identity theft was created so financial institutions could be lax with their verification process thanks to the blame being shifted.

In reality, identify theft doesn't exist. In my example I stole from the bank, no you, and you shouldn't at all be involved in the process.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by manigandham on Monday January 25, 2016 @11:20AM (#10967998)
...that's not what identify theft is. It doesn't have to involve stealing from banks, it just happens to be a popular use of it.

It definitely wasn't just "created" either. Pretending to be someone else to gain the benefits of their identity/reputation/privilege has always been around.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by rasz_pl on Monday January 25, 2016 @08:00PM (#10971240)
>In reality, identify theft doesn't exist. In my example I stole from the bank

you wish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by wrboyce on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:36AM (#10966815)
Your remark about opting out of the electoral register is not quite correct.

It is a requirement to register if requested, the fine for failing to do so is £80. However, it is always an option to not appear on the open register. The open register is publicly accessible, and being absent from it will not be detrimental to your credit rating.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by garblegarble on Monday January 25, 2016 @08:29AM (#10967031)
>being absent from it will not be detrimental to your credit rating.

But it will make identity checks with banks a little more complicated, normally they use the electoral register to confirm your address

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by gmac on Monday January 25, 2016 @09:07AM (#10967203)
I have always opted out of the open or edited register, and have never had a problem with this.

Seems like your details can still be used for credit checks and fraud prevention (which I imagine covers confirming identities and addresses) even when you opt out[1].

[1] http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-and-registr...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by hackerboos on Monday January 25, 2016 @08:42AM (#10967079)
At least Nominet allows you to opt out of public WHOIS information.

Although they planned to change this if you ran ads on your site:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/11/nominet-ne...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:52PM (#10964428)
A related word of warning: Namecheap updated their registration page last year.

Now, when you register a domain it tells you free Whoisguard is included, but it doesn't make it clear that it's disabled by default."

Previously it just worked. Now you have to check another box to turn it on.

This change makes no sense to me. (If you want free Whoisguard, why would you not want it turned on?)

I was white-hot furious* when I discovered that a handful of new domain regs had leaked my contact details, and I began getting the inevitable spam calls and texts.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by scoot on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:04PM (#10964693)
Worse, they'll happily sell you Whoisguard for domains that don't support it. When you discover it's not usable, they'll give you a refund, then include it again in the next billing cycle.

I switched to Namecheap based on recommendations here, and their previous stance on certain privacy issues, but I'm running out of alternatives.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by lpsz on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:25PM (#10964796)
A happy NameCheap user for years, I have started switching away. Their horrid "modern" 40px padding everywhere bubbly redesign makes GoDaddy look good in comparison. A major pain to manage more than a couple of domains, and numerous user feedback seems to fall on deaf ears, e.g. [1][2][3][4]

Example weird feature: all domains are shown, even ones that you've let expire/sold years ago, and there is no way to hide them.

[1] https://community.namecheap.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=...

[2] https://community.namecheap.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=...

[3] https://community.namecheap.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=...

[4] https://community.namecheap.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by romanhn on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:54AM (#10965816)
Another ex-happy Namecheap customer here. Was going through credit card fraud issues back in July. In September out of nowhere get an email from Namecheap support that my July payment for one of the domains did not go through and I owe them $240 for the chargeback. No amount of reasoning got through to them - this is after several years of owning multiple domains with them. Dropped the penalty by $100, but that didn't exactly make it right. As I was considering my options, they locked all of my domains and redirected to parking pages. Had to pay up to get them back. Avoid at all costs.

TL;DR: Credit card was stolen, Namecheap penalized me for that and then blackmailed by locking all domains.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:17AM (#10966740)
Hey romanhn - did you contact support and try to make it right by reversing the chargeback?

This isn't about blackmail as jewsin writes in the comments, it's about the reputation a business suffers with a chargeback. All you would need to do is reverse the chargeback and the full charge would go away.

Disclosure: I work for Namecheap.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by romanhn on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:27PM (#10968480)
Hi tamar - thanks for reaching out! I was in contact with multiple members of the support team throughout this ordeal. Supposedly they consulted with senior management as well. Business reputation was never mentioned - it was always about paying a fee to the payment processor. At no point was chargeback reversal brought up. To be perfectly honest, I know nothing about chargebacks (this wasn't something I initiated, it was fraud-related) and the idea of a reversal never popped into my head. I may try to bring this up with them again, but I'm not sure how much I can do half a year after the fraud occurrence.

Still, I think my original points stand. I find Namecheap locking out unrelated domains and redirecting traffic unethical and in bad faith of the service provider / customer relationship. Not to mention that the domains continued to point to parking pages even after I paid up.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Monday January 25, 2016 @06:01PM (#10970683)
Hey romanhn - so sorry for this. Can you share your ticket number? I think there was a definite mistake in the process here as that should have been broached and if it requires some updated training for the billing team, I'll put in my recommendation for that.

I'm sorry as well for the parking page situation - my guess is it didn't immediately propagate, but I'd have to investigate further as to why that happened. Usually, it's not about redirecting traffic but just not letting you get into your account. This does not sound like it should have happened at all. I sincerely apologize that this is what you encountered.

p.s. I love how trying to genuinely be helpful has resulted in an onslaught of downvotes. I'm going to assume you helped balance that out with an upvote. So thanks :)

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Silhouette on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @01:40PM (#10975030)
p.s. I love how trying to genuinely be helpful has resulted in an onslaught of downvotes.

I wish people wouldn't do that. It does appear that Namecheap has behaved very poorly in this case, intentionally or otherwise. Sadly, downvoting a person who works for an organisation has become a proxy for downvoting the organisation itself on HN recently, which doesn't seem constructive, particularly if that person is trying to share relevant information and/or improve the situation.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by romanhn on Monday January 25, 2016 @08:40PM (#10971364)
I did upvote, don't think the downvotes are deserved.

Sent my ticket number via the contact form on the website from your profile. I see that you spearheaded the SOPA membership surge - it's what got me to join in the first place.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @07:12AM (#10973015)
Looks like things are working out right now - feel free to keep me posted. You know where to find me now ;)
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jeswin on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:41AM (#10966482)
Wow, I was just about to switch to Namecheap. More people need to hear this. How can a registrar make DNS changes without permission and blackmail?

Please write a blog post about this.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by matt4077 on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:22AM (#10966760)
"If you don't pay us, we'll turn it off" isn't blackmail.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Silhouette on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:48AM (#10966859)
But locking all of romanh's domains, so he can't take his business elsewhere, and transferring all of the traffic intended for his systems to somewhere else, does sound a lot like blackmail, not to mention blatant violation of how domain registration is supposed to work.

Also, $240 because of one chargeback, and doing the above while the customer is trying to sort out a fraud issue? Neither of those sounds like normal practice for a responsible domain registrar either.

Obviously there are two sides to every story and we're only seeing one here, but that one does look pretty bad for Namecheap.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:54AM (#10966876)
Please see my comments above - there are ways around this but it appears that that path was never pursued.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by uptown on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:15PM (#10965213)
Another Namecheap "gotcha" is they auto-renew any domains you have setup for auto-renewal a full month before you're due for expiration. So if you're thinking of moving away, and trying to decide as the expiration date approaches, make sure to disable auto-renew on those domains while you decide.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Timothee on Monday January 25, 2016 @01:30AM (#10965908)
It was my understanding that the registration time you have with one registrar carries over with the next registrar. In other words, if your domain is automatically renewed for a year and you move to a different registrar and pay for one year, your domain will be registered for two years.

I must say that I have never verified this myself, mostly because I've never needed it that bad. At least something worth looking into if that problem arises.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by spash on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:30AM (#10966448)
Yep, that's exactly what happens: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="domain+transfer"+"remaining+time"

(Can actually confirm that from this month's experience, so it's even freshly verified :)

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:23AM (#10966767)
Not really a gotcha. Some TLDs require that early renewal and one month is how we handle to avoid any disconnection in service. But yes, if you move away after a domain is renewed (e.g. your domain expires in 2017, most registrars -- but not all -- will add a year to renew in 2018).

(Full disclosure: I work at Namecheap)

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by daveheq on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:55AM (#10965821)
But everyone's using a 10" Surface tablet now! We all need that 40px padding for our sausage fingers while tapping our screen at work.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by chrisper on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:58PM (#10965153)
Do you mind sharing where you switched to?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by scrollaway on Monday January 25, 2016 @01:58AM (#10965978)
I recommend Gandi. They support almost all the TLDs, their web UI is very decent, their support is excellent and they live up to their "No bullshit" motto. They are also overall good guys, donate to the EFF, took public stances against sopa and such...

They're a bit more expensive when it comes to domains but we're talking single dollars a year here.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by seanp2k2 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:03PM (#10965496)
Name.com has been legit for me for about 10 years. Use code PRIVACYPLEASE for free whois privacy (this code has worked for the past ~5 years). I've also used IWantMyName for some TLDs that name.com didn't have and I liked that they had 2FA, but overall it was much less polished.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Spooky23 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:04PM (#10965334)
I've used joker.com for years. The website isn't pretty, but you can actually do many functions via pgp email.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by lpsz on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:22PM (#10965239)
Ah, just Amazon (which uses Gandi under the hood.)

Many pluses: predictable, can be administered using the AWS CLI, consolidated billing with other AWS services. Heck, can even register domains from the CLI.

Only downside as others have pointed out is that Gandi doesn't make it at all easy to hide your name or company contact information.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by the_ancient on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:47AM (#10966499)
>Ah, just Amazon

So you are recommending someone switch over privacy concerns from namecheap to Amazon in story about how Amazon is leaking private Customer data.....

Really...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by coldpie on Monday January 25, 2016 @08:46AM (#10967096)
I've been using Moniker for ages. I'm always surprised I don't see it recommended more often. They seem very steady and reliable.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tbrock on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:10AM (#10965699)
What about Google domains?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tamar on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:21AM (#10966755)
lpsz - Tamar from Namecheap here. We're working on the padding. It's not that it's falling on deaf ears; it's just that it's taking time for us to implement and QA.

Also, the issue with all domains being shown is a bug. If you have a ticket number regarding this, please let me know and I'll investigate this further because it should be resolved.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by spash on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:03PM (#10965494)
Same here - a satisfied Namecheap customer for years, but forced to move my domains away recently. Ironically, what originally brought me there was exactly the huge level of support for Namecheap in HN ranks (well, and few instances elsewhere.)

But their "redesign" and presumably the backend changes tied to it (or lack of them, whatever the real case is) resulted in the worst experience I've ever had with this kind of service in years, culminating in what was the last straw - one of my domains getting shut down five times in a single month due to bogus "domain contacts verification" procedures, which their support wasn't able to solve from early December to when I finally decided to move away in mid-January (from a short exchange after I moved away I assume it's still broken today as they were apparently "investigating it" even after I was gone. That after having it in some or some other way "fixed" for about three times during the previous support exchanges.) Honestly though during that time my tickets mostly kept bouncing back and forth through customer reps that insisted on politely suggesting things like "to check my spam folder", even though I specifically explained every time that I was in full control of my mail servers and that it is them who don't deliver any kind of verification emails to those servers, so there was really nothing that could even end up in "a spam folder" and that yes, I actually thoroughly checked that, several times over. Yet my requests for them to check their own mail logs because I'm here actually losing access to my domains without being able to do anything about it were each time politely swept under the rug with generic assurances like "they're working on it and will keep me informed"... Then quickly closed the ticket as fixed. Every time after the one particular domain went dark (and with another domain randomly flipping into bogus unverified states in the frontend interface, clearly lingering on the edge of the same fate), the domain was reactivated either by me or the customer support, was either set to have its contacts covered by WhoisGuard (which doesn't even use the contacts verification process at all), or at a later point even manually set back to fully verified by their techs (and one time completely having all my zone data wiped without explanation or apparently without whoever caused it having a backup at hand to restore it from) - only to again and again end up suspended as "unverified" several days later, losing me access to its emails, websites, everything...

Now I could still go on and on about how clunky the entire new interface compared to the old one is (yes, the original was lackluster, but not even remotely this level bad and in fact I've never had a single technical issue with it, other than being somewhat hard to navigate) and that ever since the redesign the new frontend frequently displays outdated or plain wrong information, crashes with cryptic errors, sometimes just decides to log you out five times in five minutes for no reason, but I think this is getting too long as it is anyway, so enough.

When I finally grew tired of running through their customer support in a neverending circle (to their credit, they were always very polite and nice, but it felt like that's all that Namecheap support was really trained for. And that clearly doesn't make my domains magically work there), I moved to Gandi just basing on their overall popularity and good reputation with a few people. Already in a week time I had two great support experiences with them and got my issues resolved each time in literally a single step of exchange. In the first case I've received about a page-length of actual technical reply from their support rep that not only bothered to carefully read through several issues that I ran into when trying to run a Python app on their web hosting platform that I ordered for the domains moved there, they even included a how-to custom tailored to my specific use case that was way beyond what I originally asked for and that ended up saving me quite some time discovering it on my own, and also acknowledged that they had a major issue in their documentation system and that they had it quickly fixed in meantime. Now second time was less technical, as I accidentally burned a discount code while customizing and re-customizing some orders in what was probably an unexpected way for their interface, that ended in the code never being applied to any order but still ended up as used and lost... I wrote down the problem in a few sentences, customer support quickly verified it and issued me a new replacement code right with the initial reply in what had to be less than an hour. Can't really say I'll be missing Namecheap any time soon.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by dates on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:44PM (#10965095)
css stylebot or a smiliar extension that allows you to create persistent stylesheets could help you! i think your grievance is legitamate
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by rpgmaker on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:25PM (#10965246)
That sounds like an awesome extension. I will have to look it up.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by veidr on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:19PM (#10964772)
I've always wondered why I never see pairNIC mentioned on the "everybody knows godaddy is garbage but who should I use to register domains?" threads on HN.

I have used them since they opened (2002) and never used anybody else after that, because I have never been dissatisfied. (I don't remember if the box is checked by default, but they definitely offer whois privacy, along with services like custom/dynamic DNS and some other stuff, at no extra charge).

Their site is kinda barebones and old-school, but there are real humans in the rare case you actually need one, and they've never done me wrong.

So for whatever that's worth: another recommendation on HN.

[1]: https://www.pairnic.com/about.html

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by cenal on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:05PM (#10965501)
I used Pair right after they were accredited as a registrar in the 90's up till the mid 2000's but found they were expensive both for domain registration and for hosting. Great customer service but for a commodity like a domain name it's just not worth it for me.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by gkop on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:04PM (#10964952)
Last I checked pairNIC was > $15/year for .com etc. That adds up when you have many domains. Therefore I use pairNIC for the domains I really care about, and Namecheap for the rest.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by joshwa on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:11PM (#10965349)
it seems they are down to $9.99/year: https://www.pairnic.com/prices.html
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by gkop on Monday January 25, 2016 @11:01AM (#10967854)
Wow! No excuses now. With pairNIC you can call up and talk to a technical person during business hours in Pittsburgh, PA.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jrcii on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:44PM (#10965285)
I'm happy with hover.com. They're part of Tucows, who I've been a fan of since the good ol' days.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by seanp2k2 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:05PM (#10965499)
OpenSRS is also Tucows but only for resellers. Their reseller system works alright. Used to use it when I worked for a hosting co.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by imron on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:46AM (#10966213)
Namesilo works well for me, and they have free whois privacy.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by cparker15 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:26PM (#10965393)
I've been a happy user of Google Domains since closed beta. I'll never go anywhere else for domains again.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by revanx_ on Monday January 25, 2016 @02:26AM (#10966048)
Still waiting for them to open to the rest of the world, beta is only for USA. Frankly , no idea what is taking them so long.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by odonnellryan on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:22PM (#10965238)
What's wrong with name.com?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by vanadium on Monday January 25, 2016 @01:30AM (#10965907)
Depends on who you're asking and from what timeframe you're asking about. They used to be absolutely horrid in the age of alternate and meta-TLDs when the real rush to nab a domain was on. I can't speak about present times, however.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by newman314 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:14PM (#10964747)
Plus Whoisguard is only free for the first year. There's Google Domains for $12/yr but the dollar and some savings isn't worth the hassle of switching away from Namecheap.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by JoshTriplett on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:29PM (#10965564)
I'd recommend gandi.net; among many other reasons, they don't charge for whois privacy, though you still have to turn it on.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by the_ancient on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:42AM (#10966484)
I have been happy with NameSilo.

They have a very strong privacy stance and take security seriously

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by shocks on Monday January 25, 2016 @02:37AM (#10966069)
Maybe check out gandi.net? Very happy with them so far.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mangeletti on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:08PM (#10965341)
Hiding your contact information is like security through obscurity. I'm not saying it's not a good extra step to decrease the frequency of attacks (much like changing an SSH port to 3857 or something), but it doesn't add any real security. This is the crux of the problem; our addressees and birthdays are treated like passwords by these companies.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by iopq on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:01PM (#10965490)
Passwords are also security by obscurity.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by andrewaylett on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:43AM (#10966204)
Not really -- security by obscurity is a re-statement of the idea that the security mechanism shouldn't need to be secret for the security to have meaning. You're allowed to have secret data, just not secret mechanism.

And relying on what looks like secret data (changing the SSH port) where the number of bits of entropy is low enough that it's plausible to try them all (16) probably still counts as security by obscurity -- it might hide you from many attackers, but it's not enough to make you secure.

Relying on data that's not actually secret, just hard to find, is just insecure.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by noja on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:15AM (#10966278)
> but it's not enough to make you secure.

That's not why you change the ssh port at all.

You change the ssh port to filter out false positives, if someone is attacking you on your weirdo ssh port, it's likely an actual attack that you need to pay attention to. You still need to do the rest of the security stuff.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by andrepd on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:39PM (#10965596)
Ssh ports are brute forceable, passwords have a much much larger search space.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by SXX on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:09AM (#10966131)
Changed SSH port is not security measure. It's needed to keep your log files clear from random network scanning.

When your SSH port is something like 53148 and you see password brute-force activity in logs it's almost always mean that somebody intentionally scanning your server.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by zifnab06 on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:50AM (#10966220)
Just a note: if you do change it, keep it below 1024. Otherwise if ssh dies anyone on the server can create a client listening on that port and steal credentials.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by acdha on Monday January 25, 2016 @11:20PM (#10971799)
That's a somewhat obsolete belief – people have been scanning arbitrary ports for many, many years and SSH daemons helpfully announce themselves to search engines:

https://www.shodan.io/report/uMZDnWfT

This is a long-running problem and one with various popular solutions: restrict the source networks which you accept traffic for, disable password authentication entirely, and add some sort of rate limiting (e.g. 2004's fail2ban) for failures. Trying to reduce log volume by obscurity is futile - you really need to address the root problem and use tools which allow you to filter and aggregate effectively.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by MertsA on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:27AM (#10965760)
At this point, 16 bits of entropy is more than the entropy of a lot of the passwords that I've seen.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by richardwhiuk on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:28AM (#10966314)
You have 10 bits of entropy at best, unless you put it above 1024, at which point if it dies, any none privileged user on the box can sniff passwords.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Dylan16807 on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:22AM (#10966761)
Why are you using passwords for SSH?

Do you actually have untrusted users on the box?

Why would you not secure the custom port to root-only?

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by arielb1 on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:47AM (#10966501)
If you are serious, you should limit SSH access to a bastion host with no unprivileged users.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by lmm on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:14AM (#10966412)
Passwords are explicitly keys and not used for any other purpose.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by nikcub on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:48PM (#10965292)
I found last week that Namecheap enabled auto-renew of both the domain and whoisguard by default:

http://imgur.com/hoGfojZ.png

If you click-through the checkout with the 'Confirm Order' button at the top right away you can miss that detail - as I have twice.

One of the reasons I switched to Namecheap in the first place is because they were a registrar that didn't rely on bundling tricks. I'm considering moving all of my domains away.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by nostalgiac on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:26PM (#10965251)
I'm not sure how true this is.

I registered a new domain with Namecheap just last Thursday and it had whoisguard automatically turned on.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Buge on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:49PM (#10965450)
I think it is enabled automatically for free for the first year, but does not automatically renew, because it is not free after the first year.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by longnguyen on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:30PM (#10965258)
Same here. I've registered a bunch of domain names with Namecheap over the last year and they all had whoisguard turned on.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by 0x01 on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:13AM (#10966408)
Please can you tell me how I can verify whether my details have been leaked?

I've recently purchased a domain from namecheap, with whoisguard, and if I recall correctly I didn't have to turn it on. I whois'd myself and found that it didn't leak anything. It didn't occur to me that scrapers can get at the info before you protect it.

Perhaps this has changed since your experience? Please could anybody else verify one way or another?

Cheers

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by fps on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:25PM (#10964339)
I think the bigger problem is that public information like your name and address is sufficient for proving your identity. If we make whois information private, what about phone books, property records, direct mail databases, etc. etc.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by VeilEm on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:50PM (#10964418)
If someone has your public name and address you're already at significant risk if you ever say anything controversial that gets attention. You're liable to being swatted, getting fake pizza orders, having people show up at your house, harassing you and much more. See Zoe Quinn, Brian Krebs, lots of less well known individuals, etc.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by thephyber on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:28PM (#10964561)
Which only proves your comment's parent's point even more.

{SWAT, pizza orders, etc} assume that the phone number that shows up on caller ID is authentication of the identity of the phone line on the other end. They could call back the number on caller ID to verify the original caller matched the person who picked up, but they don't.

Having knowledge of a Social Security number was assumed to be authentication, but it's increasingly obvious that such an authentication scheme is antiquated and was destined to fail from the beginning. When an identity thief can get a mortgage under my name with little more than credit bureau data on me, it costs only a little more than $15 to destroy my credit, my time, and my future because transactions don't have sufficient authentication.

These awfully designed authentication schemes will only magnify the problems as more companies (especially credit bureaus and data marketers) pass around data on me and make it easier for someone to buy it on demand.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by the_ancient on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:59AM (#10966530)
>Having knowledge of a Social Security number was assumed to be authentication

No the people that designed and implemented Social Security knew it was not secure for identification purposes, the first few decades of the program even had "Not to be used for Identification" on the card.

Then the government, and financial industry got lazy and said "well since the majority of people already have these numbers assigned to them lets just use them for Identification as well" and made it a defacto National ID. Something it was never designed for, nor secure enough to be,

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by bigiain on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:51PM (#10964649)
Keep in mind too that Caller ID is trivially blockable (and blocked caller id isn't remarkable enough to be super suspicious), and it's also easily within the capability of many of the 4chan/gg griefers to spoof "correct" Caller ID numbers as well.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by XorNot on Monday January 25, 2016 @10:05AM (#10967518)
Caller ID shouldn't be blockable, these days. It's a big ridiculous problem that we've defaulted to "you can intrude with communications anonymously" - and phone calls are definitely intrusive.

I'm pretty much a hair away from blocking all calls without caller ID at my house so I can reliably lock out the remaining spam callers.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by hollerith on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:01PM (#10965327)
By "gg" you mean what? Gamer gate?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Karunamon on Monday January 25, 2016 @11:17AM (#10967983)
I assume so. The "gamergate are women-hating harassers" misconception is still alive and well.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by rplnt on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:15AM (#10966414)
Not that I order pizza more than once a few months, but I would probably switch the pizza place that would call back to confirm order each time.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by TeMPOraL on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:55AM (#10966379)
As a counterpoint, see billions of people every day.

This is getting to the point of paranoia at this point. You're already at significant risk if you ever say anything that gets attention by virtue of living in a society. But it comes with benefits, too...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by ams6110 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:15PM (#10964517)
Agree. Your contact info in whois adds little to any number of other public records that will contain your name, address, phone number.

It does make good sense to not use your primary "personal" email address in whois, nor your home address. PO Box rentals are fairly cheap and that's what I use for whois registrations.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by detaro on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:34PM (#10964838)
Sadly, you can't even use PO boxes for all domains, some registries require a "full" address.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Pyxl101 on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:45PM (#10965287)
USPS now supports a feature called "street addressing". Basically, instead of writing "PO Box #" as the address, you may write the actual street address of the same facility followed by your box number, something like "123 Main St #456". Private mailbox providers also often accept addresses like "123 Main St Apt 456", where 456 is the number of your mailbox as well.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Anechoic on Sunday January 24, 2016 @11:47PM (#10965629)
USPS now supports a feature called "street addressing".

Keep in mind that street addressing doesn't work at all USPS locations, although it does work at most of them. You have to fill out a form with USPS or any mail addressed to that location will be returned as undeliverable.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jcrawfordor on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:15AM (#10966279)
I've found private mailbox providers to be preferable in most every way to post-office PO boxes. Private providers are "street addressed" to begin with, virtually always accept from all couriers, usually have longer hours, often can call or email you when you receive a package, etc. In most cities, there are also more of them than post offices, I suspect because it's such an easy business to start. Look around your neighborhood: copy/print shops, shipping stores, and small business supply stores probably also rent mail boxes.

I wish this was an industry with a bit more visibility. When you think about renting a "PO Box", there's a good chance that you'd be better off with a box rental from a private mail service.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by bigiain on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:49PM (#10964894)
"The street finds its own uses for things."

Where I am (Australia) theres a whole bunch of places that'll provide "non Post Office PO boxes" who're perfectly happy for you to address things to "Suite 306" or "Apartment 306" as well as "PO Box 306" at whatever address the box is located. Fools _most_ of the "must be a real address, not a PO Box" restrictions.

(Interestingly StartSSL failed me on that once when I gave one of those as a personal address - they mailed me saying "that looks like a business address, we need a personal home address for personal identity validation") - I dunno of they Google Street-viewed it or of they've got some automated system that flagged it...)

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by DrScump on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:34PM (#10965264)
USA is a little different. To get mail using the street address of the PO, boxholders have to sign an additional agreement, BUT:

1) it's free, and

2) they will also accept UPS/FedEx/DHL/etc shipments on your behalf for no charge! (they will sign for packages, but if "Direct" signature (the named recipient) is required, they can't accept those.)

If you just try using "UNIT #" or "APT #" or whatever, or you don't have this additional agreement signed, they can and will return to sender.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by fanf2 on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:27AM (#10966309)
"Mailboxes etc." in the UK is a fairly widespread commercial PO box provider. I didn't realise that was their business until I found out about a local spammer using their Cambridge branch for their address :-)
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by MaikuMori on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:12PM (#10965206)
Most likely more than x accounts used the same address.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by rashkov on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:45PM (#10964877)
Yes, but the new piece of information is that you are the one who owns that domain
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Your_Creator on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:34PM (#10991072)
It's not just about proving who is who, it can also be about wanting to distance yourself from random people and their nonsense problems.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by akerro on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:51AM (#10966223)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7525198

His daughter was also attacked...

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mbrutsch on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:18PM (#10965371)
> For example, gandi.net (and thus Amazon) doesn't hide your name when you have it turned on.

Well, yeah, I've been with Gandi for years, that's their published policy: https://www.gandi.net/domain/whois/

> By the time you find this out

You realize you should have done your homework and read your registrar's policies beforehand? I understand your overall point, but don't make it sound like Gandi did anything wrong here, just because you don't like it.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by simoncion on Monday January 25, 2016 @04:42AM (#10966349)
I would have left this very comment if you hadn't beaten me to it. :)

Gandi is very up-front about every aspect of their services. I found out that Gandi's whois privacy doesn't hide the name you provide as the registrant long before I entered my credit card details to provide payment information.

Their whois privacy is structured in this way because for many (all?) TLDs ICANN requires that the entity listed as the registrant be the actual owner of the registered domain.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mbrutsch on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:23AM (#10966765)
I love Gandi because they live by their motto: No Bullshit.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by adrianN on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:06AM (#10966125)
In Germany you have to publish a full address on your website, so even if you don't own the domain, anybody can get you IRL.

http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/__5.html

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by ignoramous on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:26AM (#10966165)
Ditto for TLDs controlled by the Indian Government.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by skrause on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:11AM (#10966139)
Only if you have a commercial site.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by adrianN on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:27AM (#10966167)
According to the Wikipedia the word "geschäftsmäßig" includes private use website if it is even theoretically possible to get income from them, for example via ads. It quotes the ministry:

„Die Anbieterkennzeichnungspflicht muss praktisch von jedem, der ein Online-Angebot bereithält, erfüllt werden. Etwas anderes gilt nur bei Angeboten, die ausschließlich privaten oder familiären Zwecken dienen und die keine Auswirkung auf den Markt haben. Im Zweifel sollten Sie davon ausgehen, dass die Anbieterkennzeichnungspflicht besteht.“

Which roughly translates to: everyone has to do it, unless its a purely private service. So I guess you don't need it for you web-enabled password protected security cam, but you definitely need it for your blog.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressumspflicht

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by phphphph on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:35AM (#10966183)
At one point in the past it was argued that hosting your site with a provider that injects ads was sufficient to consider the page "commercial". I don't know what came of it, or what is now required for a page to be commercial.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by devit on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:57PM (#10964444)
They don't hide the name because you cannot hide the name while legally owning the domain yourself.

Services that hide the name actually result in a company (e.g. "Domains by Proxy LLC") purchasing and holding domain ownership for you, which is a very different legal arrangement with different risks.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by derefr on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:30PM (#10964818)
Treat a domain like money: if you want it held pseudonymously, you put it in the ownership of a shell corporation you control (through power of attorney to the board of directors), but don't own any equity in.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by BinaryIdiot on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:26PM (#10965031)
While I would love to do that it just isn't feasible for me and probably most others. ICANN really needs to provide better controls to avoid resorting to such workarounds.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by wereHamster on Sunday January 24, 2016 @08:59PM (#10965158)
> ICANN really needs to provide better controls to avoid resorting to such workarounds.

Not only ICANN but the whole financial world. Shell corporations provide no real use other than hiding money and ownership.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by an_account on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:23PM (#10965242)
That's not true at all. Corporations have tons of legitimate uses, including reducing liability.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by gruez on Monday January 25, 2016 @09:40AM (#10967372)
>Shell corporations provide no real use
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Your_Creator on Thursday January 28, 2016 @03:40PM (#10991126)
They also sell gasoline.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by lode on Monday January 25, 2016 @02:43AM (#10966078)
I've thought of checking that... Instead of Domains By Proxy LLC or whatever legally holding your account, setup an offshore shell corporation and use that to register my domains, becoming my own whoisguard in the process. It's going to be more expensive than these services, but the domains stay under your full control and you can keep your personal info private.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by therein on Monday January 25, 2016 @07:28AM (#10966782)
Sounds expensive, though.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by kijin on Sunday January 24, 2016 @07:34PM (#10964834)
I actually like Gandi for this reason. Registrars have gone down in the past, and I don't want to have any difficulty proving that I'm the owner if that happens.

Besides, my primary domain is my full name dot com, so anyone who has any interest in the domain already knows my name.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by twhb on Sunday January 24, 2016 @09:52PM (#10965304)
If WHOIS is destroyed, your contact information will still be known by everybody you're in contact with, many you've only met, possibly many you haven't met but want to meet, and millions of employees of companies you've interacted with. There is no meaningful difference between that and public information.

It is Amazon's absurd assumption that your contact information is private that is at fault here. Trying to ameliorate this by contacting fewer people is self-destructive, and cannot achieve complete security unless you're willing to eliminate contact with everybody but those you trust with your accounts. Without a doubt it is Amazon's policy that needs to change.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by panic on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:13PM (#10965355)
There is definitely a meaningful difference between contact info being public and informal disclosure through normal contact. There's a reason doxxing is a thing.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by revanx_ on Monday January 25, 2016 @02:16AM (#10966026)
For me the solution has been to stick with my national ccTLD registry. If your country has strong private protection laws then your national registry will shield your information for your ccTLD domains from public whois. It's not exactly bulletproof, they still make that information available from their whois database but it's just another step someone has to make to get to your information. That much said, on a ccTLD you should be able to get away with only just a name, surname and a valid email address.

What are the alternatives? Those fishy private protection companies? Technically once you sign up there, they own your domain, simple as that.

OpenNIC? I wish that was the case.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by Svip on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:38AM (#10966475)
In Denmark (.dk), any citizen can get their address information removed from publicly available records. That means that any private individual or company cannot get access to your address information unless you manually give it to them. (Note: Government agencies still have access to this information.)

.dk-domains are owned by persons, not the registrars, and therefore the whois-information for .dk-domains follow the same procedure as addresses. So if you have 'address protection' as it is called, your personal information is immediately removed from your whois information.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by DINKDINK on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:36PM (#10964590)
> By the time you find this out, it might occur to you to just type in a different name, but now you're violating ICANN policy.

Why not just "sell"/transfer ownership of your domain to another entity (one that you own)?

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by gist on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:48PM (#10964636)
What you need is the following (and no more):

a) A valid email address. (A gmail that forwards to your real email will do).

b) A valid postal address. By valid I mean "in the proper form".

As such the following would get flagged:

1 Main St. Anytown USA 10016

(because it doesn't exist..)

545 Jones St. New York NY 10016

(let's say that's a post office..)

is fine.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mholt on Sunday January 24, 2016 @05:35PM (#10964378)
Yes, it's awful. Fortunately, at least one registrar (Google Domains) has free whois privacy for all registrations and I think they prompt you about it by default, too (to agree to some legal terms).
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by tjl on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:33AM (#10966179)
Hover also has free whois privacy by default.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by notyourwork on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:39PM (#10964601)
> For example, gandi.net (and thus Amazon)

Why do you say here and thus Amazon?

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by josso on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:47PM (#10964634)
I assume it's because AWS uses Gandi as their registrar.[1]

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8116506

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by pyvpx on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:36AM (#10966470)
while Amazon itself uses Mark Monitor from CSC.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by asymptotic on Sunday January 24, 2016 @06:44PM (#10964620)
You can register for domains through AWS Route 53 and it'll automagically register on Gandi with WHOIS protection and link it up inside Route 53. You then don't need to leave the AWS UI, it just seems like it works magically.

(I think this is true...I can't remember now actually).

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by akerro on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:42AM (#10966202)
I use https://ititch.com/ for over a year now. You can pay with bitcoin, they don't make much validation around whois input values. I use it for my domain registration and whois protection, they support IPv4 and IPv6 which in my country are not supported by biggest companies like 1and1. Customer support answers in less than 30hours.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jitbit on Saturday January 30, 2016 @05:11AM (#11001348)
It's not just whois. Our personal info is out there everywhere. Say, you're a developer who signs his OSS software tool with a certificate that comes with your home address...
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by annoying_tech on Monday January 25, 2016 @05:16AM (#10966417)
OVH did this to me, I registered a .pw domain and I though it was WHOIS secure, but after registering... I found my full name, address and email were all public, forever. (Domaintools keeps a record of it)

I will never again register a domain with my real info. Sorry ICANN, I don't give a about you or your policy.

Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by daveheq on Monday January 25, 2016 @12:51AM (#10965805)
Fighting online thieves by putting more innocent people at risk doesn't sound like a way to fight online thieves.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by retube on Monday January 25, 2016 @03:11AM (#10966137)
How does one go about having their details removed from whois?
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by mangeletti on Sunday January 24, 2016 @10:05PM (#10965335)
When we start using block chain to replace DNS and usernames to replace domains, and services to replace hosted servers, a lot of things will change. One is that there will be nobody to force us to verify who we are. These kinds of things serve no purpose other than to hand leverage up the chain.
Re:Amazon's customer service backdoor by jacquesm on Monday January 25, 2016 @01:48AM (#10965962)
Did I miss an RFC?