We're especially interested in web developers who have built and deployed large, extensible applications into production environments. An interest in data visualization and analysis doesn't hurt. We also have some deep distributed storage system hacking problems.

We have a strong preference for open source experience: our team (see http://cloudera.com/about) includes core contributors from the Berkeley DB, Ganglia, Lucene/Nutch, Hadoop, and MooTools projects.

We expect you to communicate ideas clearly, exhibit preternatural intellectual curiosity across a variety of domains, write quality code, and have a consistent focus on improving yourself and the team around you.

If you're interested, drop your CV and a cover letter to [email protected].

[email protected], please put "HN" in the subject

If the job is too far away, it might not be worth my while to even attempt an application.

Keep up the good work Drew!

http://automattic.com/jobs/

And information about how we work, which is a lot like an open source project:

http://automattic.com/about/how-we-work/

If you apply mention [HN] in the subject it'll make it stand out. We typically do a paid trial project of 2-3 weeks on contract before making a full-time offer.

Please be familiar with at least some of the following:

design of hydraulic and pneumatic systems, heat transfer, thermodynamics, fluid power, pistons and seals, and multiphase phenomena.

Candidates should be comfortable with 100 kilowatt to multi-megawatt systems. Our needs range from mathematical modeling and design of experimental apparatus during the Research and Development phase, to designing for manufacturability and reliability. The ideal candidate will be a hands-on design engineer who possesses a high level of creativity and innovation required to be a valuable asset to the company.

Interested? Please send your resume to [email protected].

If you are interested, send an email to [email protected] subject "200908 dev application". Include a file named <yourfirstname>_<yourlastname>-phase1.tar.gz with code in any language that does the following:

Given a word, output all anagrams of that word that are legitimate words. Notes: use a reasonable dictionary of your choice, for sample input "EAR" your output should be "ARE ERA", this will be benchmarked

Technology: We have a fairly complete Common Lisp back end and are developing various front ends (mobile web, full web, iPhone, Android) now. Built on top of a BerkelyDB key/value store (Elephant with some secret sauce). Stateless sessions, almost completely static frontends, novel (and fast+scalable) architecture. A lot of Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing on the back end, and we're toying with the idea of some novel UIs on the front end.

Business: We can get funded now, but are looking to do a regional launch in Boston (and/or NYC) in September in order to push our valuation up. We are small now (2 business people + 2 technical peoples) but given the founders' pedigrees it's very likely we will be funded with favorable terms when we are ready.

I can't say too much about the company, but email me if you are interested (for what it's worth, I'm not a founder - I'm just in charge of the technical stuff).

If you don't know Bump, our technology let's two phones connect by bumping them together. Currently we let users exchange contacts and photos (but more is on the way). We are YCS09, featured in Apple's most recent TV commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giBNazD-Lm4) and currently #3 free app overall on iTunes.

In general we are just looking for really smart people that are excited about Bump and fit in with the team. Although we haven't posted a job yet we are also looking for someone to help with scaling (good at algorithms, optimizing apache2, SSL/HTTPS, and mod_python). If you think that architecting and scaling a real-time matching algorithm across geography and millions of users sounds interesting please get in touch.

We would love to hear from anyone interested: [email protected]

A lot of different roles for engineers, come join us.

They probably do get too many applications. They are like the brangelina of sillicon valley right now.

send us your details! - [email protected]

More info here: http://www.heyzap.com/docs/jobs

Expert javascript a must, PHP and/or Java a plus.

It's a tough role, but rewarding. I've held the position for the last year and half, and it's been a good experience. (I'm moving over to YUI.)

Great team, lots of interesting problems to solve.

It's an awesome group with plenty of engaging problems left to solve. Gearing up for the Y! Homepage is only one of them.

More: http://developer.yahoo.com/yap/

If interested, send your resume to rburke at yahoo-inc dot com and include Hacker News in the subject.

You've got someone (reid) here who's currently on the team, and me, who's leaving the team and creating the opening. We're giving you email addresses and offering to send your resume directly to the hiring manager.

It seems like you just want to complain. For the record, yes, Yahoo recruiters do review the applications submitted to the career portal, as well as resumes posted just about anywhere else. Maybe you're just bitter because you weren't hired?

AFAIK, the only development on YUI2 is to fix "significant" (ie, new and/or awful) bugs, and to remove forks and special code that was in place for deprecated browsers (ie, safari 1.0 stuff, mostly.)

All the new development is happening on YUI3.

I'm not an authority on the matter, of course, since I've only been on the team for -1 week ;)

However, won't HN people applying through that method just be sent in to a black hole?

As much as I want to still love Google, it's getting harder every day. Even my original suggestion regarding pixel space amounts on the search results page template seems to have been implemented recently:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=498660.

Yeah, I'm a wee bit irked; I think I deserved a bit more than the lie-wielding form rejection email from my application somewhere back in early 2005 or so. And don't even get me started on the fact that Google went and doubled the limit of receiving pay on my AdSense account sometime last year; so I've still not even seen anything from that.

So as much as I still want to love Google, it is getting harder every day. Your comment regarding "Nooglers" is actually pretty funny considering how many of them, like me, have probably been really diligent in their quest to get hired just about anywhere.

The interview process was less difficult than I thought it would be. 1 phone screen, 4 (supposed to be 5, but one never showed up) in-person interviews over a day. I'd thought I'd flubbed it when I got out, but apparently the interview feedback was quite positive.

If I had to guess what makes most candidates bomb, it's that they don't have sufficient depth in the positions they're interviewing for. For example, at the end of one of my interview problems, the interviewer asked me "And how would you attach that event handler?" And I replied "Well, if it was IE, I'd use element.addEventListener('mouseover', fn, true). If it was a standards-compliant browser, I'd use element.attachEvent('mouseover', fn)." Note that that's wrong - it's backwards. But the interviewer didn't care. He just wanted to make sure that I was aware of those functions, because so many of the people he interviews would just say element.onmouseover = fn.

Similarly, most of the disastrous product-manager interviews I've heard of have been because the candidate would give handwavey answers and couldn't clarify what he meant or figure out how to support his opinions with data, even when prompted by the interviewer. Google culture really prizes precision, perfectionism, and strong opinions backed up with data - if you're used to finding the first Google hit on the web, implementing something by copying and modifying that, and then saying "Okay, it's done," you really won't fit in here.

http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_tradmod.html

http://www.quirksmode.org/js/events_advanced.html

But I guess interviewer was not implying onmouseover was "wrong", just probing how much does candidate know about the topic.

Alright. To me it sounded a bit like onmouseover was used only by bad programmers.

So yeah, my interviewer wasn't implying that onmouseover is used only by bad programmers, but I am. ;-)

Besides, I'd rather use one standard method that works across browsers than choose one based on the user's browser. Would you call that bad programming? :p

Nowadays I generally use jQuery (.click(fn)) though.

We have a Noogler starting in my department this week, so there's obviously not a hiring freeze. He's the first (in my department) since me and one other person were hired back in January, so the rate is obviously slow. I know a bunch of Nooglers that recently started on internal infrastructure projects though.

Let me know what you'd like to be developing, noah [at] getgambit.com

http://www.academia.edu/jobs

Academia.edu helps academics answer the question ‘who’s researching what?’ We have a very engineer-driven culture, and we are looking for an ambitious and product-obsessed software engineer to join the founding team. We describe more of the qualities we are looking for on http://www.academia.edu/jobs

Send us an email - it's a great place for developers and we always love getting news.yc applicants.

We started in 2005, are venture-funded, and are not yet profitable. We're raising our 2nd round of venture funding right now. All employees get stock options, and we have medical, dental, and vision coverage.

We're looking for people who will work out of our Santa Monica, CA office. It's a casual office environment with really good coffee, and people often bring their dogs in to work. Today there's a Neapolitan Mastiff (http://twitpic.com/cwjfl) and a Chihuahua here.

Our touchscreen appliance (visible in the picture at the link above) runs Ubuntu Linux, and most of our infrastructure is Linux-based, with a few Windows (SQL Server) and OS X boxes. Our GUI software is written in REALbasic, and our system administration scripts are BASH and Python.

We're also in the process of developing a software-only installable product that will run on OS X and Windows.

Our desktops are OS X or Linux (your choice) with two big-ass monitors per person. We do well (but not 100%) on the Joel test, and are always looking for ways to make our work more efficient and productive.

Our biggest need right now is for someone in a combined Linux System Administration and QA Automation role. This would entail everything from installing and configuring Postfix to automating install testing for our Windows product.

We're also looking for QA Engineers for the Windows/OS X Product, and for additional support people, again, with Windows and OS X experience. Linux experience for both the QA Engineers and the support people is a huge plus.

To avoid getting put in the "Craigslist" mountain of resumes, send a cover letter and resume directly to me: schof at dakim.com

There's a job listing at http://aws.amazon.com/jobs (as I write this there are 48 listings). We need hard-core developers, testers, product managers, marketing managers, support engineers, sales folks, and business developers.

If you know me and vice-versa (sitting in the audience at a conference and hearing me speak is generally not sufficient to establish this condition), track me down and send me a resume so that I can do a personal referral.

Otherwise, follow the directions on the site.

We are a top 10 Rails site and get to deal with intriguing issues every day. Solving massive scaling challenges while pairing with people like Ward Cunningham (our CTO) is how we work - it could not be any more fun and engaging.

Check out our jobs page for the full run-down: http://www.aboutus.org/AboutUs.org/Jobs/Developer

and whether international tele commuting would be a valid option. (I'd guess not, most of the time, but it doesn't hurt to ask)

http://backtype.theresumator.com/apply/DNFiF7/

http://startuply.com/Jobs/Ruby_on_Rails_Developer_1316_4.asp...

http://startuply.com/Jobs/Java_J_EE_Developer_with_Groovy_Gr...

http://startuply.com/Jobs/Flex_Developer_1316_2.aspx

If you are interested, send an email to [email protected] to contact us directly.

We're based in London, Ruby on Rails (but if you're good, we'll help you make the switch), great team, growing rapidly.

Currently looking for: Junior Dev, Application Dev, QA Lead.

Due to need to get these roles filled we're favouring EU-based candidates, but if you're elsewhere we will be hiring throughout the year so get in touch regardless. We do sponsor visas, and already have a very international team. No remote working, however.

See http://www.songkick.com/info/jobs

We speak scala, Obj-C, Java, python.

Problem we are solving:

I have all these bits of information that I want to find again, emailing them to myself is just a mess. What was the name of the movie Ed said I should watch? That was a really funny sign, where did I throw the photo again?

3banana makes it easy to capture and share information.

You throw it into the iPhone / Android / Web, and you find things using hashtags.

"surf wise #movie" "chasing ghosts #movie"

All the platforms are synced up, and you can share to twitter/facebook with one click.

We are half a block from sunny South Park in SF.

Shoot us an email at [email protected]

Danke!

- Software Test Engineer

- .NET Developer

- Front End Developer/Designer (proficient in HTML/CSS/JS)

The front end developer job is not yet posted, but they're trying to find another me. Activity on HN and similar shows a commitment and interest in the field.

http://careers.intranetdashboard.com/

Yes, that's a lot. We're growing fast. And we're in Toronto, which is awesome.

http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/

I've seen some awesome positions recently such as front-end developers for Flickr and engineering in our cloud teams.

Feel free to email me if you are interested. My email is on my profile and I'll make sure someone looks your resume.

http://startuply.com/Jobs/Ruby_on_Rails_XHTML_CSS_and_Javasc...

I'm also hiring sales reps for another one of my startups, Classleaf.

http://startuply.com/Jobs/Part_Time_sale_Sales_Professional_...

Having gone from 0 to 7million+ daily users in 2 months, we're tackling a TON of challenging scaling and engineering problems daily. If you want to work with a VERY fast moving and super driven team of developers working on a fun product that's constantly evolving, contact me. amahajan [at] zynga dot com. Please put HN somewhere in the subject so I know you're awesome :)

See our profile at http://www.crunchbase.com/company/giltgroupe

We run 36-hour sales of discounted luxury goods.

Contact me at [email protected]

Small team right now. Ruby. Java. Agile. Well funded.

Hit me up directly ([email protected]) or [email protected] if you're interested.

(And while this may not be the most appropriate place... Advice on finding a programming job for a 16 year old with a year+ of programming (job) experience and significant knowledge of multiple popular languages?)

NYC or Chicago: security research consultant. Abuse software professionally. Strong programming skills req'd.

Chicago: Rails/jQ front-end developer, for our product work.

tqbf-at-matasano-dot-com.

We are a startup based in Mountain View, CA building next generation semi-structured analysis and search platform

http://patterninsight.com/about/careers.php

http://www.freshbooks.com/careers/

(tell 'em in the email that you found out about the opportunity from Hacker News, the founder loves ycombinator)

Do you know if they are hiring developers?

Another cool thing about being a developer/designer at FB is that they encourage side projects. Proof? http://www.guestlistapp.com/about/ http://www.freshbooks.com/our-team.php

And here is head of dev tweeting about them: http://twitter.com/barsoomcore/statuses/3224450516

Here is VP of Marketing tweeting about them: http://twitter.com/MitchSolway/statuses/3210081160

Our very own "Queen of Hearts" (social media++ girl): http://twitter.com/rlangdon/statuses/3178658450

They totally understand that if you are going to get great developers you should expect that they will have side projects. Side projects hone skills and expand horizons.

Platinum: From Great Britain, automatic acceptance, some sort of old law that is still on the books. Gold: From United States w/ BSc, BASc, BEng, BMath, CS, etc... If you have a white collar job offer it is basically a shoe in. Silver: A whole host of countries (New Zealand, AUS, Israel, Germany, China, Korea) w/ a family member or a job offer. Bronze: A refugee. Or from a country like South Africa. Harder to get in. Get on a waiting list, wait for years till something gets triggered. Denied: Palestine, Iran (except to study, or unless you are Bahia)

Check with a lawyer though. I'm certainly no expert, I just repeat the experiences of my friends.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/tool/index.as... Is the Canadian "eligibility tool"

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who.asp Is the "who should apply" link

-Quote- If you meet these minimum requirements, your application will then be processed according to the six selection factors in the skilled worker points grid. The six selection factors are:

your education your abilities in English and/or French, Canada’s two official languages your work experience your age whether you have arranged employment in Canada, and your adaptability. -End Quote-

If you love changing the way people experience music and games on the web, send us an e-mail at [email protected] .

More info here: http://www.jamlegend.com/jobs

We're in San Francisco.

We're hiring just about every engineering position. The ones we list on the front jobs page are:

- Web Developer

- Mobile / iPhone Developer

- Search / Data-Mining Engineer

- Back-end Engineer

But if you don't fit into any of those buckets, that's probably cool too.

Oh, and we're also looking for a Product Manager.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/careers/jobs

Feel free to get in touch if you have any questions.

Someone with a serious Ruby background would be perfect, but we're open-minded ... if you've built cool stuff in other interpreted languages that's also OK.

Email me at [email protected] (that goes direct to my inbox)

-Jonathan Boutelle CTO, SlideShare

AM Analytics is a web startup committed to building the most comprehensive social media and market intelligence dashboard available. The AM Analytics team is a combination of individuals passionate about leveraging social media to help businesses make informed decisions. Our current team has backgrounds in internet technology, government security, financial analysis, community building, market intelligence and consumer psychology. Although our team's education and experience is diverse, our goal is to deliver a single, integrated social media analytics platform to our customers.

Responsibilities

As the lead web application developer you will own the application design, implementation, and maintenance of the AM Analytics platform.

Requirements:

    * Experience with web scripting and application languages (Python, Ruby, etc)
    * Experience working in an open source development environment (Linux, Apache, SVN)
    * Experience with Model-View-Controller (MVC) web frameworks (Django, Ruby on Rails)
    * Experience with REST(like) API's, XML parsing / handling, JSON, etc.
    * Expertise in HTML/CSS, including familiarity with good information and aesthetic design principles.
    * Experience with Flash / Action Script 3.

    * Prior social media application development experience.
    * Fun person to hang out with.
    * Enjoy building an innovative web application that makes customers happy.

I think it's interesting how few companies on this list have non-technical roles. I know there are people on the business side on this site and that they have a lot to offer.

We're looking for an awesome backend-engineer/curious-thinker/olympic-whistler with sys/db knowledge, but many hats will be required. Dabbling is good. Python/Django/MySQL is a plus.

Our office is in SF in the Mission.

jobs at fluther dot com.

Details at http://presencetelecare.com/careers#1226ffb63eb89022_OLE_LIN...

I'm not affiliated with them, but I know the founders are looking high and low for the right person.

Any experience with mid-size scale would be great too!

We're in the Seattle area, and have found we don't work well with remote people.

Email to [email protected] for either position

We're looking for an extremely talented software engineer. We're a three person team and you would be our first full-time employee.

Email us at [email protected] for more information and/or to send your resume.

We're hiring, and just closed our seed round with some great folks from mobile, consumer internet, and retail. Our first app is in review, but we have a lot of things to build, so definitely looking for good engineers / designers! [email protected]

http://www.fleaflicker.com/jobs.do

http://www.mybanktracker.com

Currently sorting through 100+ candidates, but HN readers would clearly go to the top of the list.

[email protected]

We're a small boutique software house. (Less than 20 people) However, we work directly with some of the biggest companies out there. (Verizon, AT&T, Major League Baseball, Pandora)

While not a startup (we're a subsidiary of Gracenote which is a subsidiary of Sony corp) we like to work in 'startup' mode as much as possible (except the crazy hours)

If you're interested, and can legally work in the States, email haseman -at- gravitymobile +dot+ com

http://www.zenbe.com/jobs

http://www.childrensprogress.com/about-us/softwareengineer.s...

Do I have the slightest chance of getting hired from the HN posts?

We're very profitable and growing like crazy. In fact, we were recently acquired by Adknowledge: http://bit.ly/yNr0h. The bulk of our work is PHP, though you're free to work in your own language when not developing in the MVC stack. I do a lot of Ruby hacking personally.

Being a board gamer is a plus. We like to game in our downtime!

E-mail me if interested: [email protected]

Check out the openings here: http://www.meebo.com/jobs/openings/

"Any one hiring in india?"

As far as I can see all the jobs above are in the United States.

(Edit : changed order of paragraphs to address Paras's comment below)

Most software companies in India are either body shoppers (TCS, Wipro, Infosys) or are "Offshore Developement Centres" (ODC) (e.g IBM, Intuit, etc) which do crap work no one in the US offices want to do. Neither type needs or inspires great engineers.

Indian companies aren't (by and large) startups and/or doing technically sophisticated things, which is what would need great (vs just decent, or worse) engineers.). When you have an industry dominated by outsourcing/ODC it is hard to find a engineering focussed organizations.

Even the India centres of great companies like Google or Yahoo do (comparatively) uninteresting work - I have friends in both Google Bangalore and Yahoo Bangalore and they confirm this. Yahoo Blr does mostly operations , the "Yahoo Research" division in Bangalore is a joke. Google Bangalore is not much better, though it has a couple of US returned engineers who are decent but by and large no really great projects happen here. Goog blr doesn't have much of a reputation within Google either.

To get the kind of jobs advertised here, one of two things needs to happen (1) India develops its own rich ecosystem of technically sophisticated startups (except a couple of very small unfunded startups, most are just trying to copy existing ideas and don't need any skills beyond pretty generic php mysql etc) or (2) great engineers in India should be able to telecommute for the startups advertised here.

Neither situation exists today, which is a tragedy. I know seriously good people who don't want to go through the visa/greencard grind and so are stuck in awful jobs.

All that said, I'll be glad to be proved wrong. If there are any Indian startups which are (1) funded (enough to apay a decent salary) (2) doing (technically) interesting things and (3) looking for great engineers, I hope they add a job listing here.

I downvoted you because of the offensive generalization you made. I would have appreciated a thoughtful analysis rather than a general bash that your reply seems to be.

Interesting. Why should you be offended? Let's take a look at the statement you quoted as "offensive".

"Indian companies aren't (by and large) startups and/or doing technically sophisticated things , which is what would need great (vs just decent, or worse) engineers."

The "by and large" bit of the statement you quoted is a qualifier that means exactly what it says. In other words by saying

I am saying

(1) Most Indian companies aren't startups. (But a few are). (2) Most Indian companies aren't doing technically sophisticated things. (But a few - in this case a very small minority) are.

If you think either of those statements are wrong, please make a counter argument with logic or facts instead of being "offended". I would love to hear a convincing argument that most Indian companies are startups and/or that they are doing technically sophisticated things.

That said, downvote away if it makes you happy! I couldn't care less about my karma score! Downvoting is your privilege as a member of HN. Whether you use that privilege blindly or thoughtfully is completely up to you. :-)

PS: I am Indian, live and work in India etc, fwiw.

(2) Most companies in the world (including US) aren't doing technically sophisticated things. I don't see how that case is special to India.

Even if data shows otherwise, it is unfair to put a qualifier "by and large" and then start the bashing. That is a safety device you have adopted.

It doesn't really matter if you are Indian or not. Your argument should stand for you, not for the country you belong to.

Oh I completely agree. I was just wondering if you thought I was some Non Indian "bashing" Indians. Good to know you are not.

"(1) Most companies in the world (including US) aren't startups. I don't see how that case is special to India.

(2) Most companies in the world (including US) aren't doing technically sophisticated things. I don't see how that case is special to India."

First adressing the point you make above, I did follow up with a paragraph (in the OP) on how Indian companies are mostly outsourcing based or ODC's attempting to do low quality work their parent organizations shift to India. In other words I am making a direct Causal link between the fact that most compoanies in India do bodyshopping/outsourcing to why great enginers find working here frustrating.I've edited the order of paragraphs to represent that emphasis if it weren't clear.

You were the one who chose that sentence as specifically "offensive". Pointing out that this isn't specific to India isn't the same as being "offended".

If you are saying that there are companies, especially startups in India that match the technological sophistication of say Facebook or Google, I'd love to hear specific cases. I hold my opinions very loosely and am quite willing to be corrected/

That said, "Even if data shows otherwise, it is unfair to put a qualifier "by and large" and then start the bashing. That is a safety device you have adopted."

I am not "bashng" anyone. I don't need a "safety device". What I wrote is what I genuinely believe. I am not a politician trying to convince anyone to think as I do!

This is a completely wrong argument. What "the data shows" is what is important. Instead of trying to guess my intent ("bashing" , "offending" and so on, without much to base these judgments on), why don't you counter my argument?

My argument is that outsourcing companies are very common and sophisticated startups are very very rare (practically no existent and less than say about 15 or so in number at most) in India and consequently there isn't a large market for really good engineers, who mostly migrate to the USA.

If you believe I am wrong,here is a challenge for you. why don't you name some Indian startups (say 10 would do) which are (a) funded (b) doing technologically sophisticated software? That way all of us benefit.

It's more sophisticated than anything else that I've seen in a long long time.

The stereotypes you are referring to exist but they are not the one and only rule. And weasel words ('the safety device') are not needed, you could simply take your own medicine and do your research yourself, then eat some crow.

The Indian software landscape is too large and too diverse to make such sweeping generalizations by one person with a possibly limited view of things. I'd hazard such a statement about my own country, which is a LOT smaller than India.

The outsourcing wave has put lots of money into the Indian economy, and just like what happened in Japan after drudgework and copying comes a wave of innovation. You can't stop that cycle. India is not doomed to be an outsourcing venue for ever, they'll be a force to reckon with (and in fact, already are).

Expect a large wave of startups from the region in the next 5 years, they have one headstart over everybody else, ramen profitable there means hosting + $500 / month.

Strange that you use GlusterFS as an example.Yes they are technically sophisticated but then I know the CTO of ZResearch (the company offering commercial support for GlusterFS), Anand Babu, personally and he is a good friend. Some of the people who wrote the core code are Indians (including Anand) who live in the United States.

Do they have an office in Bangalore? Sure they do. This is the "ODC" model I referred to, where development is done in India because it is cheaper.

With that disposed of,

"The stereotypes you are referring to exist but they are not the one and only rule."

(a) I didn't refer to any "stereortypes" (b) I never claimed this was the "one and only" rule.

"you could simply take your own medicine and do your research yourself, then eat some crow."

Sure! I'll be glad to when any of my claims is refuted.

meanwhile, may I suggest you do the same for using GlusterFS as an example of an Indian startup? ;-).

ZResearch (the company offering commercial support for GlusterFS) is very much an American company which has some Indians among its founding members. It was founded in the United States by people who were living there at the time. If any startup having an Indian amongst its founders is an "Indian startup" then sure ZR is "Indian". The decision makers (irrespective of ethnicity) all live in the USA and the core of the code is written in the USA == "American Company" to me whether they have an office in India or not. I suspect this is where we differ.

I am confused. you say

"The Indian software landscape is too large and too diverse to make such sweeping generalizations by one person with a possibly limited view of things."

and then

"India is not doomed to be an outsourcing venue for ever, they'll be a force to reckon with (and in fact, already are).

Expect a large wave of startups from the region in the next 5 years,"

Isn't the latter an example of the former? In this case the "one person making generalizations" (about the future in tis case) being you. Nothing wrong with that of course. There are always exceptions to almost any "rule" one can think of.

Have you lived or worked in India? How would you know what the "Indian software landscape" looks like? What facts support your contention that list is very "diverse"?

I agree that in the future technically sophisticated startups may emerge out of India. In the present such startups are VERY rare.

One example of such a startup is "guruji.com" - an Indian search company (I know people who work there). They don't have much traction yet but they do some interesting work . I know a couple of unfunded startups trying to do interesting things.

All this doesn't change the fact that the Indian softare industry is largely about outsourcing and most Indian startups largely do not try to do technically sophisticated things. THIS was my contention not "there isn't a single technically sosphisticated startup in India"

I maintain there is nothing "offensive" about that idea. it is just the truth. I am surprised people get "offended".

If I had ever said "India is doomed to always be an outsourcing destination", I can see how it could offend. Since I never claimed anything like that, (vs people randomly getting "offended" but offering no real counter examples) I don't feel the need to defend an obvious strawman.

As to "weasel words" I never knew "most" was a weasel word ;-). I look forward to the day when we all speak in absolutes ;-).

OK that said, this argument is now degenerating (indentation depth is a good metric) and so I'll withdraw. (My email is available in my profile for those who would like to take this offline)

Anyone reading this please list any great Indian startups you know who are looking for great engineers. This would be very helpful.

There are very good business reasons for setting things up this way.

Still, I see GlusterFS as an Indian start-up, not an American one. It is run by Indians, from the top to the bottom and everywhere in between.

To get funding and to be able to access the American market you have to have an office - preferably your titular main office - there. In this respect they are not different from Logitech, another 'American' company (never mind that they really are Swiss).

As for your confusion re my statement about a limited view, yes, that's a generalization too, but it's a conversational trick to put those two at the same level.

To say that you do know the Indian software industry at that level is an absolute statement that I think you can not make with any confidence.

To say that you can't know the whole landscape simply because of its size is one I can make with confidence simply because you'd have to be omniscient in order to be able to do so.

India is going through much the same phase as were Japan was when they were 'used' to produce electronics for the United States in the 60's of the last century. The amount of know-how that is being amassed there and the amount of money invested will sooner or later result in a tech boom.

The fact that GlusterFS is an Indian (not an American) company to me is some proof that we are underway in this, and I know of another 50 or so companies that follow this same model. Just like Logitech is Swiss they're as Indian as can be, even though for the outside world they'll do everything they can to present a different face. That's simply good business and I don't begrudge them for it.

Weasel words : qualifying your statements in such a way that you can twist their meaning later by pointing at your qualifiers.

As for my view of the Indian software scene I have seriously considered moving to India in order to start a new company there but for logistical reasons have decided to stay in the Netherlands for the time being, I have a son in school here and I don't want him to pay part of the price of my business adventures.

In the running up to that decision I did a very thorough survey of the Indian IT landscape and I was absolutely amazed at how much quality software comes out of India and how thin the 'we're a us company' veneer sometimes is.

It's happening, it's happening now and if you are not a part of it then get moving, you have an amazing edge over the rest of the world.

There are two countries right now where the chances of making it big as a hacker/ceo are substantially higher than in the rest of the world, the first is India, the second - and still to a lesser extent but I'm not sure how long that will last - is China.

Say hi to Anand from me btw :)

Regarding your friends with unfunded startups, drop me a line please. (email in my 'about' bit).

The kind of work they do is also awesome. I don't see ZR as an American company outsourcing easy work to India.

And that is what I said.

"I have known them for quite some time and I think Avati is one of the best Engineers I have met in my life."

I don't know Mr.Avati. I will gladly take your word for it.

" I don't see ZR as an American company outsourcing easy work to India."

This is a matter of perception. We don't have to agree completely to respect each others' opinion. With respect to ZR in particular (vs the Indian software industry in general) I only claim that ZR is an American company with an Indian office. No more. I am well aware of the talent level of AB and his colleagues.

The difference in perception between Jacques and me is on whether ZR is an American company or an Indian startup. I respect his opinion while sticking to mine. And ZR doesn't invalidate the point I made anyway (which was that ZR is an exception, not the rule.)

The part of your note which did not resonate well with me was this: "except a couple of very small unfunded startups, most are just trying to copy existing ideas and don't need any skills beyond pretty generic php mysql etc". - I'm not sure what kind of research would give you the necessary insight to make such a statement. For a tech guy from India who has worked globally- such a statement undermines your whole writeup.

Your next statement also disappointed me greatly "great engineers in India should be able to telecommute for the startups advertised here." Can you estimate the carbon footprint created by such a telecommute? - The Carbon Footprint generated by a single roundtrip flight between India and USA / Canada overshoots the annual footprint of an average Indian by 62%. To suggest a telecommuting option between the India and US to me is absurd and environmentally criminal.

Also, the wishlist you have given for Indian startups does exist. You just need to look for it in the right places. Such information would not come to you on the headlines of ET but is available deep in the web somewhere.

I have realized that "great" (I'm not sure how you define such a term) engineers in India like to be courted by companies as they feel that by gaining intellectual prowess they should just have to sit back and wait for companies to come to them. This is especially true if one has been working for a large US Tech MNCs. This is not really the mindset for entrepreneurship. If you are really looking to join an Indian startup as a part of the founding team- reach out to them and let them know what you can offer instead of waiting for them to add a job listing here.

Thank you for your cogent reply. I claim no infallibility and am glad to be corrected when I goof up. That said,

"I have worked for a year in one of the services companies (I detest the word body-shoppers) you've mentioned."

Hmm I used "body shoppers" as a functional description. Why should you beoffended? isn't that what these companies do? (I've workd for these companies too btw. So I amnot putting myself up on some predestal)

" I have also worked in Bangalore for an ODC of a US technology products company. It is true to say that most of the work done in these organizations is not really technically sophisticated."

Ok great. we have some grounds for agreement.

"The part of your note which did not resonate well with me was this: "except a couple of very small unfunded startups, most are just trying to copy existing ideas and don't need any skills beyond pretty generic php mysql etc". - I'm not sure what kind of research would give you the necessary insight to make such a statement."

Ok what I meant by this was that a good chunk of startups in India are duplicating success stories from the USA and do not necessarily need people with skills in say Erlang or Haskell or Kernel Hacking expertise and so on. Please, look at the job descriptions of Indian startups? How many ask for or requiredeep Javascript or MySQL experience? Most are just throwing up random webpages.

I know a few exceptions but most startups in India lack either technical or business sophistication (Yes I know this will be controversial. I stand by this claim. Anyone "offended" by this, please provide lots of counter examples or an argument that most startups in India re doing very cutting edge work)

"great engineers in India should be able to telecommute for the startups advertised here."

Umm what is wrong with this opinion? Ecological footprints? I wasn't thinking of ecology. Frankly I don't care. In my ideal wold anyone would be able to work for any company, irrespective of nationality without wrestling with arcane visa regulations and so on. telecommuting is the only way I know for this to happen.

"Also, the wishlist you have given for Indian startups does exist. You just need to look for it in the right places."

Why don't you give me specific examples of such startups? Anyone can make vague generalizations like "look for it i the right places" . What are "the right places"? Give me some concrete examples.

"If you are really looking to join an Indian startup as a part of the founding team- reach out to them and let them know what you can offer instead of waiting for them to add a job listing here"

Where did I say I am looking for a startup to join? I have enough work (the non outsourced, technically ultra sophisticated kind ;-)) for years.

A big issue I see frequently is that smart people do not have the opportunity to grow in India. This cannot be blamed on the system though. If you are smart, you ought to find other smart people and hang out with them. It is through sharing we grow and it was how the hacker community in the silicon valley and other similar hubs developed.

I think that the hackers in India should come together to form a platform from where they can start sharing ideas and innovate. Waiting for the other 99.9% of the so called IT industry to correct itself and follow the path of innovation and solve real hard problems is not worth at all.

If you are smart person or a hacker in India, (you are if you are reading this) you ought to make up your mind, find like-minded people and start engineering good systems. That is how every thing good in this world started.

Based on their products page (http://directi.com/products/) Other than one "pre launch" product that will do instant messaging and free email, their entire business seems to be built around "landing pages" for domain parking companies.

I especially appreciate both of you pulling back from the brink of a /. "discussion" by re-engaging with facts and rational discussion.

How do you expect people to apply?

Feel free to email me if you want to know more about the job and what we do.

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We do agile development, and are very effective at it. There's a dedicated product team so that random passers-by can't just drop work on our desk.

We do have some particularly exciting things in the works.

Send me a resume at [email protected]

We are GROWING RAPIDLY, and have a very effective business model.

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Of course, we build software for insurance companies, which isn't exactly the sexiest industry in the world, but we're a good company with a solid business (we write software that people pay real, actual money for), a lot of smart people to work with, some fairly cool (at least we think so) internal technology, and a solid devotion to both being a good place to work and to always trying to find ways to work better. Most of the coding work is in Java and our in-house (hopefully open sourced within the next 6 months or so) scripting language. We're located in San Mateo (mid-peninsula in the Bay Area).

If you're interested in applying or want to talk about the company or our technology or anything, feel free to e-mail me directly at [email protected]

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We need a financial mastermind, web/ui designers and python/cocoa developers. See madebysofa.com/jobs or shoot me an email at [email protected]

There is a pretty good program to get a permanent working permit in the Netherlands called the knowledge migrant arrangement, and we can help you get it.

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This is a VERY unique system we are working on involving email, reverse engineering, bit-twiddling and byte hacking, productivity/collaborative software, Active Directory and NEVER giving up the good fight.

All positions are listed as Senior Engineers

* Email Protocol Experts * MAPI experience * A senior QA Engineer * SaaS Migration and/or Synchronization Experts * User Interface Experts * Frontend programmers -- Ajax/Javascript

Email a resume and a nice letter to [email protected]

Firefox engineers, IT, Marketing and QA!

My background is Microsoft development - mostly websites - so I also know HTML CSS and Javascript- as well as the back end - SQL and database design.

I want desperately to work with Linux and open source now though, I have some exposure to Ruby and Rails, I taught myself Scheme and I'm working my way through Real World Haskell. I'm always looking to learn something new.

I'm finding it difficult to find clients now.

We're an early-stage start up based in NYC seeking a talented Django developer to help us in our mission to give the world a better memory. If you delight and excel in Python, Django, SQL, HTML, CSS and Javascript, and like the idea of a deeply creative, technically demanding role in a company that aims to make all learning fast, fun, mobile and effective, please send an email with CV or questions to careers at memrise.com

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Web consultant, The Netherlands.

If you're local to Telford, Shrops (UK) get in touch: [email protected] (include your HN username)

We develop in PHP and are big fans of rapid iteration, a/b testing, and customer development.

We currently have over 6M moms using the Circle of Moms Facebook application.

Email us at [email protected] with HN in the subject.

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are you even allowed to say that?

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Privet. :)

Not exactly not specialties, but thanks for the info. Funny that you've mentioned Parallels--they are about as much of a start-up as Google.

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or email directly to me, either way

{rails|flash} engineers

We're well-funded (Sequoia, Shasta, General Catalyst, Geolo) and we're located smack in the middle of San Francisco.

(anigbrowl and I hosted the last SF HN meetup, so you might know me from there.)