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Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by Karliss on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:05PM (#50009524)
> The newspaper must be widely distributed in the area where the job is located.

Based on that I would expect that if you advertise in small town newspaper, the job needs to be located in that small town. Want them to work in your big office next to big city, then it must be a newspaper widely distributed in that city not a small town on the opposite side of continent.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by mkatx on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:10PM (#50009605)
I wonder if wfh creates any loopholes here, and they just select areas where there are no real candidate pools.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by socializer on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:16PM (#50009721)
I've seen these ads. Not the latest, some things might have changed, but circa 2015-2018, this is how they rolled:

1. You choose newspapers that are least likely to actually reach people looking for tech jobs.

2. You post an small ad specifying the role in the most vague and unappealing terms.

3. There is some weird and inconvenient way to apply (e.g., fax- or snail-mail-only) that goes to /dev/null.

You can argue that it follows the letter of the law, but as a practical matter, the outcome is always that there are no US-based applicants for any H-1B SWE role, so something is wonky, right?

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by wincy on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:33PM (#50009975)
Didn’t people start publishing lists of these and people started applying and these HR departments lost their minds?
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by rdtsc on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:47PM (#50010215)
Yup someone started to aggregate those. Corp lawyers probably laughed at their cuteness and then proceeded to obscure the process even more. Say, only publish in newspapers without an online presence, so someone has to physically scan it. Or find a small town where few people in tech live. Also notify the HR department to ensure to flag out all US applications for some other "unrelated reason" that look plausible on paper.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by throwaway85825 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:42PM (#50010154)
Yes, jobs.now
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by Melatonic on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:41PM (#50010132)
Anyone know the list ? Curious to check it out
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by penskymaterial on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:26PM (#50010793)
https://www.jobs.now/jobs/746649922-android-developer

Here's one for Android Developer.

Must apply by snail mail.

If only they made a device (with an OS perhaps) where one could apply to such things electronically.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by darkwater on Thursday October 08, 2026 @04:02PM (#50011301)
Just...wow.

I'm not American and I don't live in the US, and I pretty hate Trump and his allies but this ad is just...wow. I think this is a loophole that should be closed.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by buzer on Thursday October 08, 2026 @04:41PM (#50011919)
Do note there are similar practices in many (all?) countries. Recently there was one case in Finland where job posting was extremely specific saying "We require, and by that we mean require, not recommend, experience in Leader and EU funding as well at least 14 years and 5 months of relevant experience". Their CEO admitted publicly that it was just done due to them being to public funding and that requires job postings to published. One of the articles (in Finnish): https://www.hs.fi/alueet/art-2000012282918.html
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by jacksons5f on Thursday October 08, 2026 @06:09PM (#50013095)
I recently saw the job posting in Finland (Suunto, I believe) that had diving experience as an imperative requirement for an embedded software engineer role. I've applied and never heard back. HR contact that they posted also never replied. The job was closed a couple weeks after. I never even got a rejection email.

So yeah, everyone do that, that's kind of the de facto way of hiring specific people when there is a requirement to post jobs. That doesn't make it ok though.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by jonway on Thursday October 08, 2026 @05:03PM (#50012240)
That’s a frustration. People project their hopes and dreams onto Donald Trump, but the president isn’t t a king. The same neoliberal order remains, another war crushing global trade, but still no action taken. Donald Trump did make a lot of crypto money though.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by ai-x on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:22PM (#50010725)
I'm not sure there is any advantage in publishing this in a remote town rather than NYC and SF.

Any tech savvy person in NYC or SF would not be scouring newspapers for tech jobs and even if they are, they are most likely to be H1B or Greencard themselves.

A small town newspaper may actually make people apply to those roles.

But either way, people who likely to come through these ads can be easily disqualified just by adding a few technology stacks

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by sandmn on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:51PM (#50014599)
For many companies the whole reason for this is to pay lower salary and prevailing wage in NYC and SF is higher. I knew a guy who got a small raise before his PERM was filled simply because his salary at the time was lower than salary in PERM. It was 10 years ago and in Florida, I imagine difference now and in HCOL locations is even bigger.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by Karliss on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:18PM (#50009745)
What's the point of bringing in workers into US just to have them work remotely from home? At that point why not have them work remotely from other side of ocean.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by MITSardine on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:26PM (#50010781)
It takes a lot of trust (on both sides) and complexity to establish a working relationship across two jurisdictions, if at all possible.

For instance, what labor laws apply? And who enforces them? And how, given parties in two different countries?

Does the company want to subject itself to some arbitrary country’s tax man or labor law enforcer prosecutions? Does the employee want to work under effectively zero labor protection? Possibly, but rarely.

It’s not even always possible, it’s very complicated to work remotely in France, for instance. The state cracks down on one person one client companies, and EoRs beyond being impractical (as they must adhere to drastic labor laws compared to the US) are in a legal gray zone.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by lobf on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:40PM (#50010976)
>For instance, what labor laws apply?

The laws of the worker's locality is generally how it works. In the film industry, a production company based in LA might do a shoot in NYC- they have to follow NYC's labor laws since that's where the workers are and the work is being done.

The workers at the home base in LA have the LA laws applied to them.

>And who enforces them?

The local government.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by MITSardine on Thursday October 08, 2026 @06:04PM (#50013040)
Exactly, and those answers are why it’s a hurdle and a leap of faith.

The company has to adhere to labor laws in foreign countries (most likely plural if this is a general policy). That’s quite the overhead and opens you up to legal trouble.

The employee has to trust their government can prosecute or otherwise coerce a foreign company with no entity on their territory (otherwise they’d just get hired normally through the subsidiary).

LA and NJ remain two states of a common country and I'm sure that simplifies a lot of things.

Although none of this applies if the company is a multinational with offices in the employee’s country. But then that is offshoring rather than remote work.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by throwup238 on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:22PM (#50009800)
Cultural and timezone alignment. We’ve been here before with the outsourcing wave 20 years ago. The answers are still the same, remote is just a job perk.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by michaelt on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:45PM (#50010190)
Before Covid-19, when you asked tech folks about outsourcing to central American countries (or even within the US to places with lower wages than the bay area), the answer would always be "nothing can replace in-person meetings around a real whiteboard"
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by Exoristos on Thursday October 08, 2026 @08:22PM (#50014331)
I'm sure they'd still prefer that. However, a team on another continent can become a black box organizationally in a way even a remote individual probably can't. Or at least the size of the effect is much less.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by bluefirebrand on Thursday October 08, 2026 @04:09PM (#50011412)
If they work remotely from the other side of the ocean then they are free to leave and find another job easily without risking their green card

If you bring them to America you've basically created a worker who is dependent on staying employed with you in order to keep their place

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by Melatonic on Thursday October 08, 2026 @02:42PM (#50010155)
Taxes probably. And you can bring them in if necessary occasionally.

It's a lot less accounting work to have most of your workers in the same state. Imagine single workers or small groups in many different countries.

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by vanviegen on Thursday October 08, 2026 @03:21PM (#50010717)
Saving half in salaries might make up for some additional payroll complexity.
Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by red-iron-pine on Friday October 09, 2026 @03:52PM (#50025792)
* NDA, non-compete, and other legal protections

* same timezone

* easy to verify who is actually working on your system -- on the other side of a B2B VPN you never really know...

Re:US Suspends Visa Program for Tech Firms Including Microsoft by jsteggy on Saturday October 10, 2026 @11:43AM (#50034046)
The place I work has embraced foreign workers as employees. the person gets a company laptop with company email. The contracted staff get to use a azure desktop and no contractor identified email.