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Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by willis936 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:42PM (#49491743)
Part of the story is everyone being shocked at being under budget and ahead of schedule. I don't know everything, but I think this is reasonably attributable to the fact that this is a retrofit of an obsolete spy satellite. The leftovers of the security sector will be the most advanced scientific space surveyor. I have to wonder what things would look like with different priorities.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by dylan604 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:53PM (#49492802)
Isn't that also how Hubble started? I'd assume there's a lot of lessons learned to avoid costly research on conversion of the platform.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by _djo_ on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:04PM (#49493326)
No, Hubble didn't reuse any components from spy satellites. However, the chosen mirror diameter was decided by the size of the mirrors being produced for the Keyhole programme, as it meant NASA would be able to reuse Perkin-Elmer's existing fabrication facility.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by mandevil on Saturday August 29, 2026 @09:18PM (#49494791)
Hubble was the result of an open competition between a variety of companies and technologies. But the winners were the people who built the KH-11 spy satellite, who could offer the cheapest and best proved options because of their experience with KEENAN.

Both KH-11 and Hubble had similar sized mirrors, but that wasn't because of design reuse, it was because that was the biggest primary mirror you could fit in the Space Shuttle cargo bay (1). In actual fact no KH-11 went into space on a Shuttle, but the plan up until the Challenger disaster had been for the STS to carry all US satellites into space, including the KH-11, which was designed around that cargo bay.

1: The space shuttle cargo bay was sized the way it was for NRO payloads, but it seems clear that the USAF wasn't thinking about KEEENAN when they requested that size- a design like that would be better if it was wider and didn't need to be nearly as long. My suspicion is, when NASA asked them what size they wanted for the bay, they took the last design they had- the just cancelled KH-10 Manned Orbiting Laboratory, and used that.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by ChocolateGod on Saturday August 29, 2026 @01:46PM (#49491773)
IIRC the mirror is from a spy satellite, but the chassis and electronics are all NASA.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by mturmon on Saturday August 29, 2026 @07:17PM (#49494185)
This is true. The telescope is much more than just the primary mirror.

Roman has two science instruments, a wide-field imager (“WFI”) and a coronagraph (“CGI”) and they were both built by NASA for this purpose (optics, electronics, detectors, deformable mirrors).

The WFI optics includes filters and a prism and grism for spectroscopy, and of course the very large CCD arrays.

The coronagraph is a rather special tech demo and allows imaging of exoplanets (Jupiter-like) while blocking the light of the host star. (https://science.nasa.gov/mission/roman-space-telescope/coron...). It’s a precursor to HWO which is mentioned down-thread.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by m4rtink on Sunday August 30, 2026 @10:02PM (#49504807)
BTW, any idea what happened to the second mirror? IIRC NASA got 2 initially.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by willis936 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @08:08PM (#49494448)
From what I can gather it is much more than just the primary mirror but the entire platform sans classified parts, which were replaced with NASA's optics and sensors.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by Mawr on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:58PM (#49492838)
> I have to wonder what things would look like with different priorities.

Things aren't as simple as more money = more good.

Rapid progress requires adversity, the kind you'll find when nations compete for military power, for example.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by teamonkey on Saturday August 29, 2026 @10:48PM (#49495244)
Adversity forces a scientific budget and for jobs to be created in related research areas. For some reason we don’t find it important to maintain that level of funding when there’s no adversity.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by dfxm12 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:08PM (#49491951)
People shouldn't be shocked that employees of the US government can deliver things ahead of schedule and under budget.

The problems are that anyone gave Musk/doge the time of day and that we're too used to the president giving no bid contacts to incompetent donors.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by ChocolateGod on Saturday August 29, 2026 @03:44PM (#49492721)
Musks company provides not only the most cost effective but also the most reliable access to space that is currently unparalleled by any other company.

We should thank the government for spending tax money efficiently.

You should blame the legacy aerospace companies whom purposely inflate contracts and take forever to do things for there being a lack of competition, not Musk.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by Morromist on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:17PM (#49493416)
As I see it Musk is lobbying the goverment to give him money to do useless stuff & expensive in space like land on the moon again - basically redirecting funds away from useful stuff like the James Webb Telescope for publicity stunts. Not any different from the legacy aerospace companies, who also lobbied like crazy, except on a bigger, dumber scale.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by dotancohen on Saturday August 29, 2026 @06:06PM (#49493731)
Then you see it wrong. Plans for returning humans to the surface of the moon have been being developed for longer than you've known Musk's name.

The Artemis program was developed out of the Constellation program, which was initiated sometime around 2005 or 6.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by Morromist on Saturday August 29, 2026 @06:17PM (#49493782)
How is landing on the moon not a publicity stunt? What can the humans do that massively cheaper robots couldn't - besides take some awesome photos and bring back some more moon rocks?

Of course there have long been plans to go back to the moon because its a cool fun thing to do and whoever happens to be president would likely be well remembered for taking credit for it. That doesn't give it credibility as a useful endeavor.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by ChocolateGod on Saturday August 29, 2026 @06:24PM (#49493836)
> How is landing on the moon not a publicity stunt? What can the humans do that massively cheaper robots couldn't - besides take some awesome photos and bring back some more moon rocks?

Humans have intuition and curiosity, they can spot something quickly in the distance that looks peculiar, go to it and quickly inspect it.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by ralfd on Saturday August 29, 2026 @07:09PM (#49494124)
Even if it is a publicity stunt it was not lobbied by Elon Musk. Also Jeff Bezos Blue Origin got more money for the Artemis program.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by Morromist on Saturday August 29, 2026 @07:28PM (#49494239)
I see. And how do you you know that elon, a notably close supporter of the president didn't have anything to do with the Artemis program? I notice that Chinese electric vehicles are essentially banned in the US, but probably that had nothing to do with Elon as well right? And what does it matter if Blue Origin also made money on the Artemis program?
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by andsoitis on Saturday August 29, 2026 @09:03PM (#49494717)
No need to be so combative.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by inemesitaffia on Sunday August 30, 2026 @05:29AM (#49497082)
Artemis was announced under Trump 1, but the contract was awarded by Biden. The concept is older than SpaceX.

That should be enough clue.

The Chinese car ban (not just electric mind you) was at the instigation/behest of Unions and Ford in particular. Another Biden thing

Blue Origin matters because they got more money to do less.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by dotancohen on Sunday August 30, 2026 @03:17AM (#49496427)

  > How is landing on the moon not a publicity stunt?
You've just changed your argument as I addressed your previous argument. Which clearly demonstrates that you don't have actual arguments against the Artemis program, rather you have some personal problem with Elon Musk.

That's fine, we all have our personal heros and villains. But don't be so disingenuous with your arguments or your reasoning.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by DrHungers on Sunday August 30, 2026 @01:42PM (#49500928)
It looks to me like they fully addressed your comment. Did you read their entire response?
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by NetMageSCW on Sunday August 30, 2026 @02:52PM (#49501641)
More science was done on the few hours spent on the Moon by astronauts than all the lunar and Mars robotic missions (lasting decades) combined. Robots won’t be comparable to human exploration until we have general AI and that’s far away. Otherwise you’d have a lot more robotic exploration on Earth.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by ChocolateGod on Saturday August 29, 2026 @05:37PM (#49493566)
Starship is mostly funded by Starlink.

Yes, Musk is a crappy character, but that's not a reason to make things up. This isn't Reddit.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by Morromist on Saturday August 29, 2026 @06:05PM (#49493727)
Starship isn't actually operational. I'll let you look at their plans for it and you can tell me if they involve doing things the goverment would pay for like landing on the moon and building space stations or not.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by inemesitaffia on Sunday August 30, 2026 @05:26AM (#49497064)
>redirecting funds away from useful stuff like the James Webb Telescope for publicity stunts

The point is this isn't happening.

Almost everything you're complaining about happened under Biden, who Musk wasn't on good terms with.

SpaceX is the cheapest provider of the services it offers, and the government is a large customer but has been less than half of revenue since before 2024.

If the government wants to build a space station (Vast, Axiom, Voyager) or land something(Firefly, Intuitive Machines) or someone on the moon(SpaceX, Blue Origin) , it will find contractors that can do all or part.

The contractors here are BAE Space & Mission Systems (fka Ball Aerospace), L3Harris, and Teledyne. i.e the "NASA" money always ends up at some corp. And complaining about SpaceX stealing money is ignorance.

It's worth noting that the primary contractor for the ISS is Boeing, but Leidos and KBR are involved.

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by pmdr on Sunday August 30, 2026 @05:00AM (#49496958)
Musk used to be reddit's darling. People's newfound hate for him seem to cloud their judgment and make them forget what made Musk their darling in the first place.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by jryle70 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @02:15PM (#49492016)
> the president giving no bid contacts to incompetent donors

Are you talking about SLS?

Oh maybe you'd say that is "Senate Launch System", it's complicated, job program, 50 states sharing, and so on?

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by jeltz on Sunday August 30, 2026 @03:52AM (#49496631)
At least it works unlike Starship. But yes both SLS and Starship are handouts to political donors.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by inemesitaffia on Sunday August 30, 2026 @05:30AM (#49497091)
But the Starship contracts were awarded by Biden.

And unlike SLS weren't no-bid

Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by lisp2240 on Saturday August 29, 2026 @10:35PM (#49495174)
Maybe other space companies would be under budget and on time if they weren't run by Nazi drug addicts. I'm not typing a name but everyone reading this knows who I am a talking about.
Re:Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope by alex43578 on Sunday August 30, 2026 @11:30AM (#49499575)
If we’re playing what-if, consider the contributions those spy satellites made to keep the Cold War cold and provide for decades of Pax Americana and a security umbrella over Europe that they didn’t have to pay for.