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Re:Never Give Them Your Face by 9dev on Monday June 22, 2026 @10:34AM (#48630746)
Can't we even write a short text like this without LLMs anymore, not even when it's really important, when it's about humans against the inhumane?
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by vodou on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:23AM (#48631487)
I think it is great that people point out LLM generated articles here on HN. Sadly, it feels like I am slowly loosing my skill to identify LLM speak. Maybe I am getting worn out of all LLM content... So, please, list the indicators and telltale signs from the specific article or blog post (like others have done here already). At least I would appreciate it a lot.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by joenot443 on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:35AM (#48631695)
> It is not age verification. It is identity verification.

> You can change a password. You cannot change your face.

> This is not a popularity contest, and refusal is not a vote you are trying to win

These were a couple sentences that were immediate flags to me. There've been countless articles written on this (I can dig them up if you want), but IMO there are pretty clear semantic rhythms you start to notice.

It is not foo, it is bar. You can zip, you cannot zap.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by Anoian on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:49PM (#48632657)
Although these are indicators, real people also use these sometimes.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by mawadev on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:14PM (#48632943)
My brain skims the entire blog before reading it and if I see two short sentences with dots and negation or even one single em dash, I ctrl+w out
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by xmprt on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:17PM (#48632982)
I agree that these are signs of AI, but they're also the way that people write. I use the "it's not X it's Y" framing a lot of the time because it's a quick way to get my point across. It's probably the sign of a bad writer because I can't come up with a different/better way to say the same thing, but I'm not AI.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by schrodinger on Monday June 22, 2026 @03:56PM (#48635221)
I could tell it was AI, but it was interesting nonetheless. FWIW, I don't think AI enablement is inherently bad; this can be a game changer for an individual with an interesting thought yet difficulty expressing themselves in written word. (Obviously, it's also created a real problem with the ability to create near infinite well-written content, especially in the case of propaganda.)

I do agree with you that the quotes cited out are literary constructs used by humans, and there's a risk we get trigger-happy in calling out AI-slop. Still, those are just the most obvious tells — there were absolutely other, less notable mannerisms that confirmed it for me. If you interact enough with an LLM, you can become quite good at detecting their output through subtle subconscious cues that are hard to put to words.

I do wonder where some of the tropes came from. Claude tends to say "____ is doing a lot of work in this sentence", yet I don't recognize that as a common construction for humans overall or even a specific community (e.g. journalists). Perhaps I'm just unfamiliar with some vernaculars found in training data. Yet sometimes, it legitimately feels like they've actually developed a lingo of their own — an emergent property.

I find it all truly fascinating (along with other feelings…), and I never expected computers to be able to "understand" language anywhere near the degree we see today. Will it soon plateau, requiring another breakthrough? Or is there plenty of juice left to squeeze?

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by KajMagnus on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @02:42PM (#48649469)
> was AI, but it was interesting nonetheless

I suspect the prompt given to the AI was 3 sentences, maybe interesting sentences,

and everything else was AI expanded, a waste of everyone's time? (Those who read everything)

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by schrodinger on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @08:46PM (#48653700)
That would imply that all of the knowledge held with these models is an uninteresting waste of everyone's time. I don't believe that's true.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by KajMagnus on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @05:10AM (#48657169)
Yes I guess there exists such blog posts. And that it varies from person to person of course (what they already know or dont).

This blog post in particular though, I got so bored so I couldn't finish reading it. I gave it another quick try now because of your comment :-)

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by joenot443 on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @08:59AM (#48644311)
> I agree that these are signs of AI, but they're also the way that people write

Certainly. If these were one-offs in an otherwise human written piece then we wouldn't even be discussing it.

In this case, they're just the simplest examples in an objectively LLM produced piece. I'm happy to point to more if you're skeptical; I'd happily wager cash the prose here wasn't written by human fingers.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by xmprt on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @02:18PM (#48649079)
I think AI was used to help write this but I doubt it was 100% AI generated. Kind of like how AI could be used to write code, but if a human's thoughts go into how the code is structured, and a human does a final pass to edit/polish the code, I'd still consider the code human written.

AI slop in my mind is anything that's completely written by AI with the only human input being "hey it would be nice if this article existed in the world"... If the human doesn't verify or edit anything the AI wrote, then I might as well just prompt the AI myself if it's a topic I'm interested in.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by antisthenes on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:36PM (#48633228)
If anyone uses a couple of these red flags to dismiss the entire article and the underlying idea, that says a lot more about them than the author.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by joenot443 on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @08:57AM (#48644278)
I personally don't like reading text written by LLMs, I'd rather just read the prompt itself. I suspect you feel differently. I imagine this says a lot about the reader :)
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by antisthenes on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @09:27AM (#48644648)
At least the article makes you be curious about what the prompt was. That's already better than people dismissing the entire thing.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by Henchman21 on Monday June 22, 2026 @02:07PM (#48633714)
These are normal patterns in US English. The zeal to accuse limits the scope of possible responses. There are all sorts of things humans do when writing that LLMs mimic — em-dashes for instance — that are entirely legitimate ways to communicate but get shouted down for… reasons?

Surely you’re aware that LLMs were trained on the ways humans write specifically to mimic them? Yes? So what’s the gripe? Someone cranked out a “thought piece” with no effort or actual thinking on their own?

But thats the promise of AI.

So are you advocating doing away with AI tools and research? Maybe we start asking “should we” not “can we”? Now that is a position I might get behind.

But really how the hell am I supposed to write at all when nearly ANYTHING I write could be interpreted as AI-generated and then shouted down in some quasi-ad-hominem attack on me while not engaging with any points made?

It is the utter end of written discussion.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by thefroh on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @12:25AM (#48640260)
it's like AI-generated images, though those tend to be more obvious than AI-generated text due to the "average" effect being visually obvious. Yes, these are normal patterns in English, but it is not normal to use them with the frequency that triggers people's llm-lese senses.

I don't see a way out of it until either generated content is either completely unable to be distinguished from authored content (unlikely?), or there's a silver bullet for identifying generated content (also unlikely?)

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by fragmede on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @04:36AM (#48642067)
Are you saying that people are being tricked to being anti-intellectuals? If even the smart people are anti-intellectual, society loses.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by Henchman21 on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @05:07PM (#48665653)
No, I don’t think anyone is being tricked. I think people aren’t used to accepting information from all parties, and are looking for a quick way to determine if an article (or whatever) is valid and worthy of their time. I think this applies equally to all levels of intelligence, from the dumbest to the smartest. We all want a quick filter.

I do find it more troubling when people who are very intelligent dismiss things out of a sense that “AI did it” so it isn’t worth engaging at all.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by joenot443 on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @08:57AM (#48644267)
I'm advocating that if people present a written text for others to consume, they should specify whether an LLM or a human produced it.

I think that's super reasonable, you don't?

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by Henchman21 on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @12:34PM (#48662352)
Having thought about this for a bit now, I am honestly not sure. I think that obviously the end goal would be to not need to include such a disclaimer. But in the interim while AI is being constructed? Maybe that’s a good thing?

Somewhere in this conversation we need to make room for the following idea:

Mostly we seem to take in information, check who it’s from, and either digest or discard it. With AI acting as a “force multiplier”, so to speak, we can no longer do that simple check — we have to actually engage with the text, which is often longer than anticipated, and really attempt to understand it, whereas in the past we could lean on authority and reputation. And it could be pure bullshit! Reputation gets around that neatly. But it also makes it possible to disregard the thoughts and opinions of everyone without authority or reputation really easily.

All of society is based around that authority and reputation mattering. With AI, we all have to disregard authority & reputation and actually engage with the ideas presented. This is uncomfortable for many who have authority and reputation presently because they simply aren’t used to having to acknowledge the thoughts of people they consider themselves “better than” — or perhaps simply “lower status socially, economically, etc.”

Now if you want all points of view represented in society and for the socially and economically advantaged people to have less of a voice overall, perhaps AI furthers that goal? Perhaps the desire to label stuff as “AI or LLM generated” really is us just clinging to an old familiar way.

Honestly, I’m still not sure.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by ShinyLeftPad on Monday June 22, 2026 @04:20PM (#48635556)
Tons of people write that way.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by nvme0n1p1 on Monday June 22, 2026 @04:49PM (#48635966)
Did people used to do it 5 times every 10 sentences?
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by ShinyLeftPad on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @02:15PM (#48649044)
Bad writers do worse
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by nvme0n1p1 on Wednesday June 24, 2026 @11:21AM (#48661327)
I didn't ask about other worse things, I asked about this specific bad thing.

Since you dodged the question, I guess your real answer is "no, people never did this" and therefore "yes, this is AI slop"

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by ShinyLeftPad on Friday June 26, 2026 @02:22AM (#48683005)
in human conversation "seen worse than that", "do worse than that" usually means the thing in question is not a concern in given context. "worse" obviously includes the thing. Are you AI?
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by antonvs on Friday June 26, 2026 @09:11AM (#48686207)
Right, it's either bad writing, or an LLM that's been trained on bad writing.

I'm giving the author the benefit of the doubt and assuming the latter.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by chwtutha on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:00PM (#48632018)
Straight quotes were my first clue, followed by “it’s not this it’s that” and subheads.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by ShadowOfThePit on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:27PM (#48632368)
Straight quotes? I thought an LLMs thing was always using the curly ones?
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by chwtutha on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @03:26PM (#48650070)
Claude uses straight, at least for me. I assume they’d use straight so that the curly ones can’t ever be wrong.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by da_grift_shift on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:14PM (#48632188)
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by gusmally on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:34AM (#48631668)
The multiple uses of "it's worth X" made me question the authorship, for one
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by edg5000 on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:37PM (#48632506)
The em-dashes
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by lenkite on Monday June 22, 2026 @02:17PM (#48633853)
> Sadly, it feels like I am slowly loosing my skill to identify LLM speak.

Just read a few fiction books written in 2026 in Amazon Kindle Unlimited. Your brain will be trained to recognize AI-Slop Speak in No Time.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by archagon on Monday June 22, 2026 @03:50PM (#48635147)
I think it will become pretty simple. Does the author say somewhere on their site that they don't use AI for writing? If yes, then great. Otherwise, it's very likely LLM-generated — particularly if the author spends a lot of time writing positively about AI. (And what if they lie? They will be discovered eventually, at which point they can be blacklisted.)
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by amalcon on Monday June 22, 2026 @04:30PM (#48635721)
I know, right? It used to be easy: just look for writing in a very long-winded style, almost as if the author is being paid per word, in a place where that sort of writing didn't belong. I think it was because that type of writing represented a disproportionate fraction of the tokens in the training data due to the long-winded-ness. Somewhere around a year ago, they figured out some way to deal with that problem.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by shantnutiwari on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @06:33AM (#48642880)
>>Sadly, it feels like I am slowly loosing my skill to identify LLM speak. Maybe I am getting worn out of all LLM content...

Its quite simple, at least by HN rules. If you dont like an article, post "This is LLM" and move on. Within 5 minute your post will be voted t o the top.

Easy karma farming!

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by josmar on Monday June 22, 2026 @10:58AM (#48631099)
I hear you — and the problem is real
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by kspacewalk2 on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:20AM (#48631440)
Your comment fills a genuine gap
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by sailfast on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:42AM (#48631785)
Honest answer -- you're right.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by tavavex on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:36PM (#48632478)
This comment isn't just about resisting LLM usage ⸻ it's a genuine rejection of hypocrisy.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by mawadev on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:17PM (#48632988)
Its not insult. It is injury. You are not alone with that being added to your wound.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by stephbook on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:56PM (#48632758)
Your observation is spot on. (Gemini Pro)
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by yuriyguts on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:26PM (#48633102)
This comment is load-bearing − the LLM-generated text was the smoking gun. (Claude)
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by port11 on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @10:14AM (#48645322)
Oh my god. I’m triggered. Opus 4.8 thinks everything is load-bearing, arguments, functions, classes, you name it, there’s always a few load-bearing things in every conversation.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by bklosky on Monday June 22, 2026 @10:52AM (#48630999)
it's wild to me how many AI written articles get front page on HN
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by da_grift_shift on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:12PM (#48632169)
Yeah. If the "don't post AI generated comments" guideline was extended to cover posts, I wonder what % of recent front page articles would be impacted.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by ranger_danger on Monday June 22, 2026 @06:47PM (#48637488)
Either way how could that even be enforced? Even if it's "painfully obvious", that's not proof.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by garciansmith on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:21AM (#48631458)
I'm always amazed too. I waste so much time clicking on links like that only to find slop that just wastes my time.

I'm guessing a huge number of people never even bother to click on the article and just comment based on the title, so there's that. Then there's cases where they are sympathetic to the subject or opinion and talk about that in the comments and ignore that the machine-written article doesn't actually contribute to the conversation at all.

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by red-iron-pine on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @08:50AM (#48644160)
You're on Y-Combinator here, a start-up incubator all about AI and launching new things, that literally used to be run by Sam Altman, and that was the launching pad of OpenAI.

And you're surprised there is a lot of AI content?

bots are like 50% of the internet now brah: https://cybersecuritynews.com/bots-surpass-humans-in-web-tra...

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by dust-jacket on Monday June 22, 2026 @11:53AM (#48631939)
Exactly. I stopped reading part way through. The first thought was ... this seems like quite a lot of words to say not an awful lot of contents. And then the sentences started jumping out.

> A verification regime does not need your approval — it needs your participation

Ugh

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by Jasp3r on Monday June 22, 2026 @10:41AM (#48630831)
Here is the trick:
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by semilin on Monday June 22, 2026 @12:55PM (#48632745)
It is upsetting. Is it worth surrendering one's practice of thinking and communicating effectively in order to resist corporate overreach? Or is such a neglect doomed to result in the very problem of passivity that this post pushes back against?
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by skort on Monday June 22, 2026 @01:16PM (#48632974)
I also will not take any article or website seriously if it uses AI generated graphics/art.
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by spopejoy on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @11:12AM (#48646308)
Amen. I don't really notice the AI speak, especially if the content makes sense like TFA.

But man am I tired of the "Too good to be made by a regular person, but too average in every way to be made by a graphic designer" [1] graphics. It's just so smarmy somehow, "hey isn't my article a blast with these slick graphics?"

1 - seen today in a funny nymag article about AI bodega signs: https://www.curbed.com/article/ai-slop-bodega-signage-design...

Re:Never Give Them Your Face by tim333 on Monday June 22, 2026 @02:34PM (#48634110)
I think the trouble is the LLM is quite catchy and so gets more upvotes. We are losing to the clankers!
Re:Never Give Them Your Face by asgeirtj on Tuesday June 23, 2026 @02:26AM (#48641106)
FWIW it has one thing pointing it to be human written; the typo worthles