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Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:09PM (#48300730)
It's kind of insane they trusted us to begin with. Why?
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by slavik81 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:31PM (#48301029)
Americans were our brothers. We had been partners for over a hundred years.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by dwd on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:00PM (#48302453)
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by noir_lord on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:44AM (#48307564)
Not defending the US here (not least because as a European I'm deeply pissed at the US government and the people backing it) but every country with a large military has similar plans, they are used as a training exercise/staff exercise rather than as realistic plans (as noted in the article you linked).
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by fakedang on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:45PM (#48301185)
I like this analogy - sparring with each other like toddlers do, before realizing that they have a lot in common as they age, like the English language, industrialization, the systemic abuse of natives, Big Oil, the World Wars and racism.

Now that they're older, they're sparring once again, just like siblings do over the parents' estate.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by threecheese on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:13PM (#48302058)
I like your analogy, and want to add a sad addendum: parental illness and death is frequently the cause of sibling estrangement. Let’s hope this isn’t prolonged.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by gflarity on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:04PM (#48301389)
This is terrible analogy. We're more like neighbours, and US is a bully. We made a decision not to have much a fence before we were friendly neighbours. We regret that decision, and are planting a hedge and reaching out to our other "neighbours" for support.

The whole neighbourhood thinks you're assholes and bullies, we're all scared. But that is bring us closer together as result, so there's some upside.

Racism? Oh man, visit any other country that is more homogenous.... lol. Everything is relative.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by fakedang on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:15PM (#48301520)
Siblings can also be bullies.

Canadian and American racism is documented in specific events, unlike in other countries. I'd be hard pressed to find specific racism-driven events in Poland or Czechia, even though they top the racist charts.

I'm not American so your second point is completely moot.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:17PM (#48301535)
Sir, Nawrocki is only the president because of racist pressures. I don't even hate him but you cannot argue that he would be elected if it weren't for fear of foreigners.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:29PM (#48301009)
Why trust anyone? Really what stops a Trump from getting elected anywhere else? The citizens seem smarter or less bigoted? Are you sure that will always be the case given the agitprop in every form of media and internet communication in every language on earth?
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by JuniperMesos on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:33PM (#48301673)
There have been many elections in many political entities where a politician got elected because one group of citizens really liked that politician; and another group of citizens thought that politician was extremely, historically bad. This is inherent to mass democracy itself in any polity where there are real and deep-seated differences between different groups of the electorate. "A Trump" - in the sense of a politician whose opponents describe in apocalyptic terms and consider that politician's supporters to be stupid and bigoted - gets elected all the time in all sorts of places.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by mhb on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:41PM (#48301142)
> Why trust anyone?

Because comparative advantage.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:31PM (#48301027)
True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway.

Trump has nothing to do with it.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by datsci_est_2015 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:40PM (#48301130)
> Trump has nothing to do with it.

Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? I’m curious what I may be missing.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by LtWorf on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:10PM (#48302027)
Remember the guy who promised he'd shut down Guantanamo? Or the guy who made up some weapons so he could invade Irak? Or the guy who ordered Northstream to be blown up?
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:53PM (#48301272)
> Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump?

We invaded Korea, and then Vietnam, and a few hundred other interventions that don't seem to be sanctioned by the international community. All because of a hardon for ideology that doesn't seem to actually reflect the interests of the people who live here.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:55PM (#48301295)
Most of those were sanctioned by the international community. Look at the participants.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:58PM (#48301327)
We had the international community on a leash after WWII. This means nothing.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:07PM (#48301422)
Leash or not, there was international support as a fact.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:15PM (#48301507)
Great. I'm happy you're willing to recognize our fucking empire for what it is
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:20PM (#48302598)
Oh I get downvoted all the time for telling people about the american vassal states on HN. People, especially those living in these vassal states, seem to take offense to hearing that reality.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by crote on Thursday May 28, 2026 @01:57AM (#48305126)
Former vassal states, thanks to Trump.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:23PM (#48301589)
> We invaded Korea

what a terrible bad faith arguemnt

N Korea invaded the south and the UN voted to create a joint force in there to defend it.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by stickfigure on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:25PM (#48302167)
Not only is this true, there are about 50 million people in the south who are incredibly grateful for US involvement. And about 26 million people in the north who are, on average, several inches shorter than the southerners due to the end of US involvement.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:43PM (#48302764)
The people in the north aren't worked to death tho
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by nephihaha on Thursday May 28, 2026 @11:42AM (#48310606)
Erm, yes they are. There are generational camps as well where people live because their parents and grandparents offended the Kim dynasty.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @12:49PM (#48311650)
What evidence of this is there? We have plenty of evidence of the working conditions of south korea, however.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:42PM (#48302750)
We forcibly inserted our forces onto a peninsula to support a state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of people that nominally opposed it. If you want to call this something other than invasion that's your choice. We can all judge what character your faith takes
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by noir_lord on Thursday May 28, 2026 @07:47AM (#48307587)
The seventy odd million people who looked at Trump and everything he is and then voted for him.

The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump.

There is little to trust in the United States at the moment, you look a lot like the Weimar republic.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by datsci_est_2015 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:32PM (#48313406)
I guess I internally equate “Trump” and “Trumpism” - who’s to say what the chicken and the egg is with that whole situation.

> The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump.

It is amazing how much people bend the knee to further their own ends. People like Stephen Miller who probably see Trump as a useful idiot, and hold great contempt for him, as long as he can enact his white supremacist agenda.

The leftist circles I run in like to joke that this could’ve just been properly avoided if we hadn’t fumbled reconstruction as a nation.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:42PM (#48301153)
Israel seems trustworthy in the sense that their priorities and aims are abundantly clear to everyone. People are pissed about Israel for Iran right now, but, I mean, there is a reason why they are attacking Iran right now and not Egypt or Turkey. You go about and poke the bear like Iran has done for decades with Israel, you get these outcomes. Egypt tried to poke the bear but that was decades ago and they've since learned there is nothing to gain there.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by gchamonlive on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:49PM (#48301232)
Nobody is buying this narrative of Israel being provoked, because the reaction to the provocation, if there ever was one, is completely disproportional.

Israel had settlements in Palestine way before the conflict outbreak, and nothing explains the systematic targeting of civilian infrastructure on Lebanon but for Israel just going supernova, like Germany and Japan back then.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by bluGill on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:30PM (#48302213)
Israel's faults do not mean they were not provoked. Iran has been sending everything they can to anyone who wants to harm Israel.

What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday May 28, 2026 @01:12AM (#48304827)
> What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing.

It's certainly easy to say "X provoked Y, ignore what Y did first to provoke X".

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by gchamonlive on Thursday May 28, 2026 @03:02PM (#48313816)
I'm sure there was provocation, but we are taking about nations with extremely long recorded memory, so this back and forth of who did what goes back countless generations. It's utterly disastrous to go through this line of thinking when there are millions of civilians either dead or displaced and vulnerable.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:54PM (#48301281)
Hey that's up to you. I will never vote for a person who supports Israel. Our parents may have been retarded but we don't have to be. I just see a state devoted to slaughtering as many people as they can. Iran looks like a saint compared to them.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:04PM (#48301393)
I'm not supportive of them either. I just don't consider them untrustworthy though. Everything they do is exactly what they've always done since that state was formed. Easily the most predictable nation on earth, Israel. Easy way to get Israel off your back though? Stop funding terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah that inevitably do something stupid to provoke the Israelis into armed conflict. It is really that simple.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:08PM (#48301438)
True. Israel begins, Israel assassinates and complains about being targeted by terrorism. Israel begins the loop again. What is more reliable than Israel?

Iran would be a better ally. China would be a better ally. Fucking Russia would be a better ally. Why did we decide to die on the hills of (loosely translated, I guess) mageddo?

But instead our state leans into exterminating people because our PR team was inspired by Goebbels and was trained to hate muslims

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:22PM (#48301587)
It is like a modern day state of Prussia. A beachhead and airstrip in the middle east. Weapons manufacturing. Rocket science. A cyber security firm. An intelligence agency. Some of the best in the world at these things. All wrapped up into one. This is why nations like to ally with Israel.

But again, if you don't want problems with Israel don't make problems with Israel. Their populace is militarized like few other and seemingly with a lot of political cohesion. Egypt has learned not to poke the bear. So has Jordan.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @08:44PM (#48302771)
A better parallel for prussia would be Rwanda. Israel is a a state determined to exterminate all the peoples in and around it but the Jewish people. You could not build a better parallel of nazi germany if you tried

> But again, if you don't want problems with Israel don't make problems with Israel.

Israel always wanted to dominate palestine and the world doesn't give a fuck, even as they exterminate a whole civilization and stream it to the cucked west. Lebanon's existence is a problem for israel. Syria's existance is a problem for israel. Egypt's existence is a problem for israel. Now they're starting in on jordan. When will the international community start to give a fuck? When will the west grow a fucking backbone and stand up for humanity? Where are all these fucking values we were purportedly forcing on the rest of the world?

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by diffs on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:24PM (#48303142)
This is what derangement looks like.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:49PM (#48304257)
How do you figure?
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by diffs on Thursday May 28, 2026 @09:01AM (#48308375)
Because, your comments are contrafactual and not grounded in reality.

When you make frankly hysterical statements the gist of which is that Israel is uniquely evil (more than Iran which massacred over 30,000 pro-democracy protesters in the span of two days this year, for example), it is clear that you’ve left reality far behind in your rear view-hence derangement.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Thursday May 28, 2026 @12:51PM (#48311688)
> which massacred over 30,000 pro-democracy protesters

are you really this gullible? the last reliable numbers I saw capped the figures at ~7000, which includes people killed because they were (according to videos I saw) castrating government officials and roasting them over a spit.

Look, I'm as anti-state as any respectable person can be, but I don't see and evidence of protestor massacres.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by diffs on Saturday May 30, 2026 @08:48PM (#48342055)
In the videos you've seen, were the protesters roasting government officials over a spit, or the officials' detached scrotums? Cause you know, I've done the former, but the latter is really depraved.

Alas I'm not nearly funny enough to properly convey the depth of my amusement here. Who hasn't roasted a government official over a spit here and there though?

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by asdff on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:12PM (#48303026)
Nazi Germany? Please. Jordan shot down Iranian drones to protect Israel just recently. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs. There are Arabs in the IDF. Lets ground ourself in reality.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @11:49PM (#48304259)
Jordan is our vassal. They will be on israel's dinner plate soon enough though

> There are Arabs in the IDF.

Oh that excuses the blatant genocide the IDF is carrying out then

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by watwut on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:14AM (#48305257)
I mean, you dont know much about Iran, I guess. Like, it is a victim in this was and Israel is apartheid state.

None of that makes Iran better, not even now as they still execute daily. And are extremely harsh to own minorities. Oh, and to whole one gender.

Iran looks like saint when you ignore Iran actions. And again, yes, the war was bad decision.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by watwut on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:07AM (#48305207)
Trump can be voted in everywhere, but american constitution makes curruption effectively legal, president effectively lawless and provides no balance to unchecked presidential power. Money in politics are speech, so just unlimited, so any person even having change to be president have to do what Epstein class like.

And it is constitution itself. America had lawd trying to deal with above and supreme court gutted them.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by khriss on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:45PM (#48301190)
Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon.

He is unique in that he seems to have absolute control over the Republican base which makes all internal party checks fail. The rest is provided by a hyper polarized media landscape and a conservative supreme court majority that seems to be open to radical upheavals. The combination of all three has rendered the constitutional safe guards ineffective. In other words, we seem to have run into an edge case in the US constitution.

The supreme court won't change materially in the near future and likely the polarization will continue, but it's hard to image someone in the future with such an absolute grip on either party. So, hopefully a soft restart of the system in 2028 will be the last of this edge case for a while. That's the hope, anyway!

The two countries have far more in common shared interests than differences, so odds are things will drift back to normal in the future.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by Planktonne on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:59PM (#48301921)
> Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon.

Trump is already, on his own, a two-time phenomenon. Leaving aside broader cultural issues and patterns, "one-time only" has been clearly incorrect for a while.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by dleslie on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @05:54PM (#48301291)
Trump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists.

America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this.

This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or at the very least, it is what many Americans are willing to tolerate.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by OrvalWintermute on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:05PM (#48301401)
We have lots of issues with Canadian protectionism, around $46 billion of them.

We also take issue with them cozying up to the ChiComms.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by dleslie on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:21PM (#48301577)
The trade deficit with Canada is because Americans are buying Canadian products.

Enough Canadians (seriously, the vast majority) live close enough to the border that they could make a weekly trip to the USA and purchase American dairy and other American goods. In fact, prior to the tariffs many Canadians did make regular shopping trips across the border.

So let's be clear: we were buying your products to the extent we wanted to, already.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by 8note on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:04PM (#48302935)
no the trade deficit is the US buying canadian oil at a deep discount.

canada buys US products and services to a large trade deficit where canadians get stuff in exchange for dollars.

its just oil that the americans are really buying from canada

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by dleslie on Thursday May 28, 2026 @12:59PM (#48311858)
True enough; but they want to make it about Canadian Dairy, Softwood Lumber, Steel, Aluminum and so on.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by YawningAngel on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:11PM (#48301468)
As someone unfamiliar with the US-Canada trade relationship, it would be helpful if you developed this argument instead of stating it as a fact. I'm not well-placed to know whether your belief that Canada has bilked the US out of 46 billion dollars is well-founded or not.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by dleslie on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @07:12PM (#48302041)
It represents the trade deficit the USA has with Canada. To believe that this is a problem as a result of Canada's nefarious actions is to believe that Canada is preventing its citizens from purchasing American product.

Which is a common refrain with respect to our supply management system for dairy; but to believe this you have to ignore that the USA has _never once_ managed to export enough dairy products to Canada to meet or exceed the import quotas set by the supply management regime.

The truth is that Canadians simply don't seem all that interested in purchasing American dairy products.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by SECProto on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:46PM (#48303327)
> The truth is that Canadians simply don't seem all that interested in purchasing American dairy products

Yup, taking this a bit off topic: I've always bought dairy products with the blue cow on it (signifies Canadian dairy). The US dairy industry only wants to export into Canada when they have excess, and leave us dry when they don't, so i strongly support Canadian dairy production.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by fooster on Thursday May 28, 2026 @12:46AM (#48304618)
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by jleyank on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:20PM (#48301564)
Erm, Apple gear, cheap stuff, and much of the generic drug market comes from those ChiComs. Or is it ok if the US does it?
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:19PM (#48301553)
> We also take issue with them cozying up to the ChiComms.

does everything possible to spite the Canadian economy. then has the gall to be surprised that Canada would cozy up to people who don't shit on them

who would have guessed?

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by 8note on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @09:05PM (#48302947)
meanwhile, the US is trying to get a much closer relationship with china than canada, and does a hell of a lot more trade with china than canada does.

its literally just oil that makes up that trade surplus. if you want the taps turned off, that can be arranged

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:18PM (#48301539)
> Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon.

unless the US extinguishes all of its billionaires and somehow convinces 1/3 to 1/2 of their population to not vote against their own interests it'll happen again

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by pepperoni_pizza on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:11PM (#48301464)
Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Trump - not a one time phenomenon, more of a natural progression.
Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by throwaway27448 on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:00PM (#48301350)
> Because Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon.

How have you forgotten bush so quickly? Why would bipartisan support of this invasion of Iraq ameliorate an obvious crime against humanity?

Europe clearly has its own bigotries to deal with before it is trustworthy. And islamophobia is only the start

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by JuniperMesos on Wednesday May 27, 2026 @06:28PM (#48301631)
> He is unique in that he seems to have absolute control over the Republican base which makes all internal party checks fail. The rest is provided by a hyper polarized media landscape and a conservative supreme court majority that seems to be open to radical upheavals. The combination of all three has rendered the constitutional safe guards ineffective. In other words, we seem to have run into an edge case in the US constitution.

The US constitution has absolutely nothing at all to say about political parties or the particular state of the media landscape, or for that matter the partisan alignment of justices of the supreme court. It's incoherent to suggest that there are "constitutional safe guards" that should have prevented the election of a president (or the exercise of power by that president), who is supported by about one-half of a very polarized electorate and opposed by a separate one-half. Everything about the Trump presidency is as constitutional as every previous US presidency, including the phenomenon of opponents of the president trying to claim that specific things they do are or should be unconstitutional.

Re:Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift... by crote on Thursday May 28, 2026 @02:10AM (#48305230)
The problem is that it isn't just an "edge case" in the constitution - the whole thing is fundamentally flawed from the very beginning. The US isn't going to be trustworthy until it manages to reshape itself into a proper democracy with functional checks and balances.

Considering the right-wing politicians are trying to turn the country into a theocratic nationalistic dictatorship and the "left-wing" politicians are content with getting votes by nothing more than not being right-wing and collecting corporate bribes: good luck with that.