Yes, it’s weird how that’s still Java, but using standard components and only using code as glue where it’s absolutely necessary seems very similar to other engineering disciplines to me.
You can always inject your own implementation if needed right?
If you prefer GUI, Intellij even has a Spring Debugger: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/spring-debugger.html
I much prefer Spring's XML configuration from the old days. Yeah, XML sucks and all that. But still, with XML, the configuration is completely external from the application and I can manage it from /etc style layouts. Hard coding and compiling in dependency injection via annotations or other such behaviors into the class directly has caused me grief over the long term pretty much every time.
Never really came across with any other real cases where it solves a pressing issue as you mention. Most times is far more convenient to do things outside the compiled code.
It's kind of like, when annotations were delivered to Java, lots of projects thought they were just the next greatest thing. I followed right along at the time, as well.
But over time, finding the value in the configuration-as-code approach to application deployment, I definitely feel that annotations have been abused for many use cases.
And then if you want to change a value at runtime you have to restart the executable?
Would be nicer if we could handle creds like it wasn't 1992, but this does the job too.
How about varying implementations of a service interface. Let's say I have a Scheduler interface and I want to have multiple implementations; maybe one is CronScheduler, another is RandomScheduler, another is BlueMoonScheduler. Each of these schedulers have their own properties and configuration values. I might want to choose, per environment or deployment context, which service implementation to use.
Annotation configuration makes this (near?) impossible to dynamically wire and configure these scenarios and make them tailored to the environment or deployment scenario. Annotations are generally "static" and do not follow a configuration-as-code approach to application deployment.
An external configuration file, as offered by Spring's original (less "favored") XML style, allowed a more composable and sophisticated configuration-as-code approach. Maybe that's a negative, putting that much power into the hands of the service administrator. But as I stated originally, in my experience, having statically defined annotation driven configuration and/or dependency injection has caused more problems than it has solved.
all of your scenarios are trivial to implement with annotations
Off the top of my head, you could drop a `@Profile` or `@ConditionalOnProperty` annotation on each of your different schedulers and pick them at launch time simply by adding the profile you want to the arguments or the environment. That assumes you want to choose one for the whole app. If you want to have different ones in different locations, you can dynamically load beans in code. Or if you want them loaded entirely with annotations, you could define differently named beans for each context, and include `@Qualifier`s on them and in the locations they're being used.
Which isn't to say that annotations are perfect, but dynamic runtime configuration is sort of core to how spring operates, and annotations are no exception to that.
I’m not seeing the point?
cronService.schedule("xxx", this::refresh);
This isn't any harder than annotation. But you can ctrl+click on schedule implementation and below easily. You can put breakpoint and whatnot.and what exactly is “cronService”? you write in each service or copy/paste each time you need it?
My goodness. What a question!
If this is the level of incompetence encouraged by a framework, I would avoid using it just to avoid the chance of hiring people like you.
Just kidding. Spring boot is great. But yeah, I would fire people with this attitude without blinking an eye.
how do you decide whether you will write your own or pull in a dependency? this is a legit question. you did start this with writing your own “cronService” (which is about as insane as writing your own database driver) so asked about it.
I really did not. I only said that if you were to create your own cronService, you can reuse it by creating your library rather than copy pasting code (which is obviously insane).
> which is about as insane as writing your own database driver
No, it is not. Spring Boot’s support for async jobs and scheduled jobs is lacking. A lot of people roll their own. Including yours truly.
It is also much easier than writing a database driver so there is that.
Can you elaborate? What exactly is lacking and what version of Spring are you using?!
I am on the latest version of Spring Boot.
The problem isn't that I don't know how to use a batteries included framework. The problem is that you guys don't know there is even an option to reuse your code by writing libraries.
Please do not project things like "you guys don't even know..". I'm one of "you guys" , and have built production code in a variety of languages and frameworks. So this "you guys" knows exactly what he/she is talking about.
I am not. I am literally saying the exact opposite.
I don't even understand what the source of confusion is. I literally said exactly the same thing in the comment you first you replied to.
The true explanation, at least the way OpenJDK says it, is that designing language features is more complex than a casual glancer can fathom, and there's 30 years of "Java is in the top 5 most used languages on the planet, probably #1 especially if focussing on stuff that was meant to be supported for a long time" to think about.
From personal experience, essentially every single last "Just do X to add (some lang feature) to java; languages A and B do it and it works great!" would have been bad for java. Usually because it would cause a 'cultural split' - where you can tell some highly used library in the ecosystem was clearly designed before the feature's introduction.
Even if you introduce a new feature in a way that doesn't break existing code, it's still going to cause maintainability headaches if you've cornered the pillars of the ecosystem into total rewrites if they want to remain up to date with the language. Because they will (or somebody will write an alternative that will) and you've _still_ 'python 2 v python 3'd the language and split the baby in the half.
For what its worth, I think the OpenJDK team doesn't take this seriously enough, and a number of recently introduced features have been deployed too hastily without thinking this through. For example, `LocalDate`, which has 'this should be a record' written all over it, is not a record. Or how the securitymanager is being ditched without replacements for what it is most commonly used for here in the 2020s. (To be clear: Ditching it is a good idea, but having no in-process replacement for "let me stop attempts to access files and shut down the JVM, not for security purposes but simply for 'plan B' style fallback purposes" - that's a bit regrettable).
I'm nitpicking on those points because on the whole OpenJDK is doing a far better job than most languages on trying to keep its ecosystem and sizable existing codebase on board _without_ resorting to the crutch of: "Well, users of this language, get to work refactoring everything or embrace obsoletion".
Eventually, I guess there'll be backwards compatible "pattern extractors" functionality retrofittable to existing "record-like" classes. This has been hinted at on several occasions.
Date flat out doesn’t. We needed something in the standard library to fix that. It should’ve happened long before it did.
Can’t wait for destructuring support for classes, though.
Yes, exactly - now you're getting it. Or rather I get the feeling I failed to explain it well.
ArrayList predates generics.
However, ArrayList does have generics.
That's because generics were added to the language in a 'culturally backwards compatible' way: Existing libraries (i.e. libraries that predate the introduction of generics, such as ArrayList) could modify themselves to add support for generics in a way that is backwards compatible for the library: Code written before they added it continues to work and compile fine even against the new release that added generics.
The same principle applied to records would mean that LocalDate could have been updated to turn into a record in a way that is backwards compatible.
And it really works that way.. almost. You really can take an existing class (defined with `class`) and change it into a record (defined with `record`) and all existing code continues to work just fine. However, this means all your properties now neccessarily get an accessor function that is named after the property. And that is a problem for LocalDate specifically: It already has accessors and they are named e.g. `getYear()`. Not `year()`. That means if LocalDate were to be rewritten as a record, one of two very nasty options must be chosen:
* Break backwards compatibility: As part of upgrading code you must change all calls to `.getYear()` into calls to `.year()`. It's a total ecosystem split: Every dependency you use comes in 2 flavours, one with calls to getYear and one with year, and you must use the right ones. This is truly catastrophic.
* Have both methods. There's year() and also getYear() and they do the same thing. Which is the lesser evil by far, but it makes very clear that LocalDate predates `record`. Contrast to ArrayList: It is not all that obvious that ArrayList predates generics. It does, but if you were to design ArrayList from scratch after generics are introduced you'd probably make the same code. Maybe the signature of `remove` would have been `remove(T)` instead of the current `remove(Object)`.
Instead, obviously then, the best choice is to not make it a record. And that's my point: The best possible (possibly here perfection is the enemy of good, but, I'd have done it differently) way to deploy records would have included some way for localdate to turn into a record without the above dilemma.
Perhaps simply a way to explicitly write your accessors with some marker to indicate 'dont generate the default `year()` - THIS is the accessor for it'.
Had that feature been part of record, then LocalDate could have turned into one in a way that you can't really tell.
Also there was a long period when changes were very lumpy - it could be multiple years for a feature to make it into the release, and anything that might screw up other features got a lot of pushback. Then other conventions/tools emerged that reduced the urgency (e.g. the Lombok stuff)
Edit: I should add that it's now on a fixed 6-monthly release cycle which IMO works much better.
For example they used checked exceptions. Those definitely do not seem like proven feature. C++ has unchecked exceptions. Almost every other popular language has unchecked exceptions. Java went with checked exceptions and nowadays they are almost universally ignored by developers. I'd say that's a total failure.
Streams another good example. Making functional API for collections is pretty trivial. But they decided to design streams for some kind of very easy parallelisation. This led to extremely complicated implementation, absurdly complicated. And I've yet to encounter a single use-case for this feature. So for very rare feature they complicated the design immensely.
Modules... LoL.
We will see how green threads will work. Most languages adopt much simpler async/await approach. Very few languages implement green threads.
Those are from java 1.0 and thus don't appear to be relevant to the part of the discussion I think this part of the thread is about (namely: "Why doesn't java crib well designed features from other languages?").
> Java went with checked exceptions and nowadays they are almost universally ignored by developers.
They aren't.
Note that other languages invented for example 'Either' which is a different take on the same principle, namely: Explicit mention of all somewhat expectable alternative exit conditions + enforcing callers to deal with them, though also offering a relatively easy way to just throw that responsibility up the call chain.
The general tenet (lets lift plausible alternate exit conditions into the type system) is being done left and right.
Java could do something similar but they have enough promise types already.
The problem with Java is that they haven’t added the syntax to make dealing with those errors easy. It’s boiler plate hell.
That’s not the only issue, though: Java also shunts both checked and unchecked exceptions through the same mechanism, conflating them. It’s no wonder that Java’s problematic implementation of checked exceptions has poisoned people against the concept.
I think streams are a great example of what I was saying about Java failing to take advantage of coming last. Scala (probably among others, but Scala was right there on the JVM) had already demonstrated that it was possible to enable simple, readable code for simple use cases, while also enabling complex and powerful usage. And the experience of Scala had shown that there's little demand for parallel collections outside of extremely niche use cases where people tend to use specialized solutions anyway. Somehow Java, with this example staring them in the face, managed to get the worst of both worlds.
I always believed it was a major plus point for Java compared to other languages. I am even surprised to hear otherwise. How should parallel processing of streams work in your opinion, then ? Just saying it be unsupported would be laughable considering hardware today.
I would rate this feature 9/10. The fact that the author has rated it 1/10, shows he hasn't really worked on large, parallel processing of data - in Java anyways.
A lot of code that throws checked exceptions is simply dangerous to use with Java streams because the execution order of stream operation is not obvious and possibly non-deterministic. For this reason, streams were never intended to also handle errors. Reactive frameworks are much better at that.
The UncheckedIOException is for situations where you really cannot throw a checked exceptions, such as inside an iterator. Which might lead to ugly surprises for the API user;
From the type system PoV, they could have just written something like `interface Runnable<X> { void run() throws X; }` and now `forEach` would have been written like `<X> void forEach(Runnable<X> r) throws X`. And repeat that for all stream operations, promoting `X` everywhere, so if your mapper function throws SQLException, the whole pipeline will throw it.
It even works today with some limitation (there's no way for `X` to get value of `SQLException|IOException` union type), but with some generic improvements it could work.
But they decided to not touch this issue at all. So now people will fool compiler with their tricks to throw checked exceptions like unchecked (or just wrap them with UncheckedXxxException everywhere, I prefer that approach).
Checked exceptions are an awesome feature that more languages should have. Just like static typing is a good thing because it prevents errors, checked exceptions are a good thing because they prevent errors.
Java's implementation of checked exceptions has some issues, though.
* "Invisible control flow", where you can't tell from the call site whether or not a call might throw (you need to check the signature, which is off in some other file, or perhaps visible in an IDE if you hover).
* Java has both checked and unchecked exceptions, but they go through the same try-catch mechanism, failing to make a clean distinction between recoverable errors and unrecoverable bugs. (In e.g. Rust and Go, recoverable errors go through return values but unrecoverable errors go through panics.)
In the end, Java's exception design simultaneously requires a lot of effort to comply with, but makes it difficult to understand when you've successfully locked things down.
Never found this this to be a problem. It is really common to all implementations of exceptions, not just checked ones. And when you write code the compiler will yell at you. In monadic code,
People are used to that, and one common strategy is to not worry too much about exceptions and then wrap a big `try` block around everything near the outer boundary of your code. It’s good enough for many purposes and yields a high initial development velocity, but is comparatively fragile.
With Languages like Rust, Go, and Swift, only unrecoverable errors trigger the panic mechanism. Every call site where a recoverable error may occur is identifiable — in Rust via Result, `unwrap()`, the `?` operator, etc, in Go via returned Err (though unlike Rust you can discard them silently), and in Swift via the `try` operator.
You can still develop quickly by just unwrapping every Result, but unlike languages with invisible control flow, you can easily audit the codebase and go back to harden every site where a recoverable error may occur — yielding a level of robustness which is difficult to achieve in languages with unchecked exceptions.
> failing to make a clean distinction between recoverable errors and unrecoverable bugs
Recoverability is context specific. One persons panic may just be another error case for someone else. I think this is one thing that programmers miss when talking about this topic. It is really up to the caller of your function if something should panic. You can’t make that decision for them.
> One persons panic may just be another error case for someone else.
We can make a strong distinction between recoverable errors (e.g. this I/O operation may fail) versus unrecoverable errors that may leave the process in an unsound state, such as divide-by-zero or out-of-bounds array access[1].
There are some problem domains where even unrecoverable errors are not allowable, and programmers in those domains have to grapple with the panic mechanism.
But for the rest of us, it is useful to be able to distinguish between recoverable and unrecoverable errors — and to know how we have handled all possible sites which could result in recoverable errors.
[1] Joe Duffy explains it well: https://joeduffyblog.com/2016/02/07/the-error-model/#bugs-ar...
It might only be one language, but it’s a pretty big one
Eg, mutable state capture in lambdas is largely restricted because of the thought that people would use parallel threads within the stream processing blocks. That decision lead to lots of ugly code, IMO.
I've also never seen a need to try to parallelize a simple stream processing step.
There might be use-cases, but I've yet to encounter them.
And when I need parallel computation, I can just use good old ExecutorService. Few more lines, but that's OK for a task that arises once in a 10 years.
Modules absolutely achieved their primary goal: stopping libraries from accessing JDK internals without the application's knowledge. The ecosystem is slow on the uptake since split packages and access to internal APIs is endemic, but it is happening ever so slowly. I wish libraries could opt into not being part of the unnamed module.
Virtual threads were designed with explicit cooperation of the community, with the explicit goal of making it easy to switch as much existing code over to it as possible. I really don't understand the scepticism there. Most other languages went with promises or reactive streams because they were inspired by how functional programming languages do it.
The same way, caller can know which exceptions are really likely to happen in TypeScript, C++, Python. Or in modern Java which avoids checked exceptions anyway. By reading documentation or source code. That's perfectly fine and works for everyone.
And you highlighted one big issue with checked exceptions. You've claimed that those exceptions are "really likely to happen".
When I'm writing reading data from resource stream, the data that's located next to my class files, IO Exceptions are really unlikely to happen.
Another ridiculous example of this checked exception madness:
var inputStream = new ByteArrayInputStream(bytes);
var outputStream = new ByteArrayOutputStream();
inputStream.transferTo(outputStream); // throws IOException? wtf???
This code can throw OutOfMemoryError, StackoverflowError, but never IOException. Yet you're forced to handle IOException which doesn't happen. And that's the issue with checked exceptions.There's no correspondence between checked exceptions and likelihood of their occurence. NullPointerException probably happens more than any checked exception. The division between checked exceptions and unchecked exceptions is absolutely arbitrary and makes sense only at caller place, never in called function signature.
> Modules absolutely achieved their primary goal: stopping libraries from accessing JDK internals without the application's knowledge. The ecosystem is slow on the uptake since split packages and access to internal APIs is endemic, but it is happening ever so slowly. I wish libraries could opt into not being part of the unnamed module.
"Slow" is an understatement. I don't see this happening at all. Last time I tried to write very simple application with modules, I spent so many hours banging my head over various walls, that I probably will not do another attempt in a foreseeable future.
https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1o37hlj/reopening_the...
And some people write code in Python which provides no automatic verification whatsoever.
Actually unchecked exceptions are very similar to dynamically typed languages. And that's fine. As Python and other languages proved by their mere existence: dynamic typing is not inherently bad. Sometimes it's good. I think that for error handling, it's good.
> Java class loaders can do anything including loading resources from the network. Which is admittedly not that common these days after the demise of applets.
Technically they can, but in my particular case I know very well, that my resources are residing inside of JAR file. And if that JAR file happened to reside on the failed HDD block, that's not going to be a recoverable error.
When we're talking about IO Exceptions, it's almost always failed operation which requires complete abort. It's either failed hardware, or, typically, disconnected client. Can't do much about it, other than clean up and proceed to the next client.
And the same could be said about SQL Exceptions. Like 99% of SQL exceptions are application bugs which are not going to be handled in any way other than wind up and return high level HTTP 500 error or something like that. There are cases when SQL exception should be handled, but those are rare. Yet JDBC developers decided that programmers must execute error handling rituals on every call site.
> The NullPointerException indicates a bug in the application. By the very reason it occurs, the current thread cannot continue execution normally.
That's not exactly true. In JVM, NullPointerException is absolutely well defined and you can continue execution after catching it. You might suspect, that logical application state is corrupted, but sometimes you know well that everything's fine (and in most cases you hope that everything's fine, if your Spring MVC handler threw NPE, Spring is not going to crash, it'll continue to serve requests). It's not C++ with its undefined stuff. JVM is pretty reliable when it comes to every error, including NPE, stack overflow or OOM. Latter is special, because even handling error might prove challenging, when memory allocations fail, but JVM will not hang up or crash.
Python is a language with almost no static validation whatsoever. It would be very odd if it cared about checked exceptions. This dynamism makes big Python code bases infuriating to work with.
> When we're talking about IO Exceptions, it's almost always failed operation which requires complete abort. It's either failed hardware, or, typically, disconnected client. Can't do much about it, other than clean up and proceed to the next client.
If this is the case then the solution is to add it to the `throws` list.
> That's not exactly true. In JVM, NullPointerException is absolutely well defined and you can continue execution after catching it.
Why would I catch a NullPointerException instead of fixing my application? The JVM is indeed completely fine, but processing still cannot continue because that code simply does not exist.
Clear language code should be endeavor to be readable/understandable when printed on a sheet of paper by anyone, acceptable code should be understandable by anyone who knows a bit about the technologies and has some IDE support.
Garbage code is what you have when the code in question is only understandable when you actually run it, as it uses arbitrary framework logic to wire things together based on metadata on the fly.
no single language is ideally suited for every situation, it's not inherently a sign of failure that someone makes a DSL.
and since annotations are part of the language, this is still all "the language is flexible enough to build the framework [despite being wildly different than normal code]" so I don't think it even supports that part.
For example, java is somewhat unique in having lambda syntax where the lambda *must* be compile-time interpretable as some sort of 'functional type' (a functional type being any interface that defines precisely 1 unimplemented method). The vast, vast majority of languages out there, including scala which runs on the JVM, instead create a type hierarchy that describe lambdas as functions, and may (in the case of scala for example) compile-time automatically 'box'/'cast' any expression of some functional type to a functional interface type that matches.
Java's approach is, in other words, unique (as far as I know).
There was an alternate proposal available at the time that would have done things more like other languages does them, completely worked out with proof of concept builds readily available (the 'BGGA proposal'). The JVM would autogenerate types such as `java.lang.function.Function2<A, B, R>` (representing a function that takes 2 arguments, first of type A second of type B, and returns a value of type R), would then treat e.g. the expression:
`(String a, List<Integer> b) -> 2.0;`
As a `Function2<String, List<Integer>, Double>`, and would also 'auto-box' this if needed, e.g. if passing that as the sole argument to a function:
``` void foo(MyOperation o) {}
interface MyOperation { Double whatever(String arg1, List<Integer> arg2); } ```
This proposal was seriously considered but rejected.
The core problem with your comment is this:
Define the terms "polished" and "elegant". It sounds so simple, but language features are trying to dance to quite a few extremely different tunes, and one person's 'elegance' is another person's 'frankensteinian monster'.
The same mostly goes for your terms "beauty" and "charm", but, if I may take a wild stab in the dark and assume that most folks have a very rough meeting of the minds as to whatever might be a "charming" language: I know of no mainstream long-term popular languages that qualify for those terms. And I think that's inherent. You can't be a mainstream language unless your language is extremely stable. When you're not just writing some cool new toy stuff in language X - you're writing production code that lots of euros and eyeballs are involved in, and there's real dependence on that software continuing to run, then you __must__ have stability or it becomes extremely pricey to actually maintain it.
With stability comes the handcuffs: You need to use the 'deprecation' hammer extremely sparingly, essentially never. And that has downstream effects: You can't really test new features either. So far I have not seen a language that truly flourishes on the crutches of some `from future import ...` system. That makes some sense: Either the entire ecosystem adopts the future feature and then breaking _that_ brings the same headaches, or folks don't use these features / only for toy stuff, and you don't get nearly the same amount of experience from its deployment.
Said differently: If java is a frankenstein, so is Javascript, C#, Python, Ruby, Scala, and so on. They have to be.
I'd love to see a language whose core design principles are 100% focussed on preventing specifically that. Some sort of extreme take on versioning of a language itself that we haven't seen before. I don't really know what it looks like, but I can't recall any language that put in the kind of effort I'd want to see here. This is just a tiny sliver of what it'd take:
* The language itself is versioned, and all previous versions continue to be part of the lang spec and continue to be maintained by future compilers. At least for a long time, if not forever.
* ALL sources files MUST start with an indication about which version of the language itself they use.
* The core libraries are also versioned, and separately. Newer versions are written against old language versions, or can be used by source on old language versions.
* The system's compilers and tools are fundamentally operating on a 'project' level granularity. You can't compile individual source files. Or if you can, it's because the spec explains how a temporary nameless project is implied by such an act.
* All versions ship with a migrator tool, which automatically 'updates' sources written for lang ver X to lang ver X+1, automatically applying anything that has a near-zero chance of causing issues, and guiding the programmer to explicitly fixing all deprecated usages of things where an automated update is not available.
* The language inherently supports 'facades'; a way for a library at version Y to expose the API it had at version X (X is older than Y), but using the data structures of Y, thus allowing interop between 2 codebases that both use this library, one at version X and one at version Y.
That language might manage the otherwise impossible job of being 'elegant', 'simple', 'mainstream', 'suitable for serious projects', and 'actually good'.
I'd give annotations 9/10 at least.
(And I lost the interest in the rest of the article, given such a level of familiarity with the subject matter.)
I understand the benefits of dependency injection, but to be totally honest I'm more likely to take the Go-style approach of wiring it all up manually, even if it's a bit of extra boilerplate. The indirection and abstractions built up in DI frameworks is rarely worth it IMO.
Harder than spring, but less magic than spring
Anyway, I just wanted to say, that it's totally pointless to state something like "I know it well"... Say what's your problem with it, "I don't like it" doesn't add anything to the conversation. I'm quite sure whatever you would say as problems, most people would agree, maybe there would be even tips under it how to prevent it. That will never happen with the kind of comments which you made above.
It's perfectly fine to never have touched Spring. What surprised me is not acknowledging that not only are annotations used to do clerical things like @Override or @Deprecated, and not only to do some weird wiring with @Injected or @RequestBody, but allow to add large custom steps in transforming the code. Annotation processors are a huge comptime interface that can do, and routinely does, wild things, unimaginable in Go, the kind of code transformations you would expect in Lisp or Python.
I suspect the latter should have interesting security implications, too.
All the big magic annotations are for Enterprise.
Okay, I've occasionally done a couple spring boot rest, which was ... Fine ... As long as you didn't have to do anything even remotely and complicated, but it keeps you in this weird box of middle performance.
If you've ever been on any large Enterprise spring Java project, you know what the future of vibe coded enterprise is bringing.
Instead of a config class and a bunch of apps with @Inject Config config;, we'd have giant *Config classes. Each one would have lots of methods like:
@Bean public fooProducer(FooConfig config, BazProvider provider, BarProvider barProvider, SoapClient soapClient) {...}
Want to know how they were produced? Find usages on the class' constructor.
The magic @Inject and @Autowired annotations don't seem worse than that to me.
Mandatory personal anecdote:
I'm not a java guy, but I've been around java since '99, and few years ago I was moved to a strictly java team. Upon introduction I decided to show them my party trick and implemented live a pseudo "wolf3d" in one day. As usual, java devs were sort of impressed by the fact that you can do graphics and user input in java, because nowadays that's extremely rare for most of them. I got my approval and in return I asked them to give me a quick one day deep dive into Spring.
At the end I was presented with a basic hello world project that was comprised mostly of... EMPTY CLASSES I mean literally, class Foo {} END OF FILE!
Of course these empty classes had at least 5 lines of annotations on top of class declaration and in the end it somehow pushed the framework into the right direction, but oh my fucking god, I was throwing up in my mouth for the rest of the week.
So many of these features were adopted after they were proven in other languages. You would expect that since Java took such a slow and conservative approach, it would end up with extremely polished and elegant designs, but things like streams ended up inferior to previous developments instead of being the culmination. Really disappointing. Java is now a Frankenstein's monster with exactly as much beauty and charm.