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Re:YouTube's New Hue by CrimsonCape on Wednesday February 12, 2025 @11:52PM (#43032781)
An ad interrupted my video today, it was Tom Hanks in a podcast talking about his prostate.

The ad was (not so obviously) AI generated; both an AI clone of his voice and an AI-generated face-swap/ lip replacement.

This seemed pretty surprising because it was fairly convincing. He looks like he is saying the dialog of the ad.

It's surprising because there's no way the creator of the ad got Hanks' approval to use his likeness; meanwhile Youtube is profiting by selling the ad. Seems illegal, yet i'm forced to watch the garbage.

The ad in general is part of a similar trend I've been seeing of these AI generated voices speaking fast about prostates or large eggplants (if you know what I mean) used with influencers' or podcasters' likenesses. I would never click on the garbage, and it's probably a scam anyway.

I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by skinkestek on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:04AM (#43032847)
> I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives.

I know someone who works on the technical side of a national newspaper and he has been happy and encouraged me to continue when I pointed out scammy ads ("Japanese knives" and that sort of things).

Seems they don't vet ads individually but can take down ads they become aware of.

With Google however it seems to me money is all that matters.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by soared on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:06AM (#43037328)
Advertising like that occurs in an open marketplace where pretty much anyone can place a bid. Some publishers have vendors that help and can set up rules, private marketplaces, etc. but effectively anyone can advertise on your site by default.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by spondyl on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:21AM (#43032921)
This is probably the type of ad you ran into: https://www.404media.co/deepfake-youtube-ads-of-celebrities-...
Re:YouTube's New Hue by awinter-py on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:02AM (#43033125)
> The ads lead users to a page on “thrivewithcuriosity.com,” where after confirming they are “40+” years old, they are shown a meandering and very explicit 40-minute long presentation about the miracle drug that is getting men including celebrities, strippers, and adult performers “rock hard.”

normalize the 40+ age check

> Notably, the ingredients do not include “midnight beetle powder,” which the long video pitching Prolong Power explains is the secret ingredient that gave the church bats their magnificent erections.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:58AM (#43035029)
That's all BS. It works like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ZK_NjBoJI

Just lazy training. The relaxing power of the golden shower. Enjoy.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by snailmailman on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:57AM (#43033748)
The article is from December 4th? Crazy that the ads are still running. I saw the same type of ad just a few days ago.

I get that it’s a cat and mouse game, and the advertisers are going to keep tweaking the ad and re-uploading it. But surely YouTube can detect literally any of the keywords. The ad I saw the other day still uses the same general script as what’s in the article.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by awinter-py on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:00AM (#43033112)
omg yes this
Re:YouTube's New Hue by palmotea on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:23AM (#43033251)
Honestly, I really appreciate the bizarre, half-ass creativity that goes into these ads. I'm sad I missed this:

> The video takes viewers on a bizarre journey from a strip club in Texas to a fake Harvard urologist’s office to an abandoned church in Thailand where scientists discovered a species of bat with abnormally large and long-lasting erections. Along the way, deepfake videos of everyone from Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, and adult entertainment star Johnny Sins are made to say they have been quietly using this secret formula to last longer in bed. The video eventually concludes by offering viewers the opportunity to buy six bottles or 180 days-worth of Prolong Power at $49 per bottle.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by navane on Thursday February 13, 2025 @04:35AM (#43034290)
if you put a satirical news show logo in the corner, it becomes prime content
Re:YouTube's New Hue by dlikren on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:26AM (#43032934)
That's funny. I got a similar ad with Sylvester Stallone wanting to share with me this one amazing salt trick!
Re:YouTube's New Hue by rakkhi on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:54AM (#43033084)
Is it a reasonable argument to say you can pay $20/month or whatever it is in your country and avoid ad's altogether?
Re:YouTube's New Hue by eloisius on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:10AM (#43033174)
Just wait until they introduce a “brief ad” into paid premium subscriptions too.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by conradfr on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:27AM (#43033264)
Re:YouTube's New Hue by rakkhi on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:39AM (#43033310)
Well then it would be a good argument. Competition for video and short video services especially paid members makes that harder though
Re:YouTube's New Hue by wruza on Thursday February 13, 2025 @07:49AM (#43035341)
Only sensible ads for those not afraid to pay. A completely noble experience compared to that of a scam tier!
Re:YouTube's New Hue by Hamuko on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:16AM (#43033854)
Don't want to get scammed? Pay up.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by snakeyjake on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:32AM (#43036189)
Yes.

We can talk about what kinds of ads are appropriate but the right to use YouTube without paying either in money or time spent watching ads has never, will never, and does not currently exist.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by wrfrmers on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:58AM (#43038179)
>has never

This is a deeply interesting comment. Obviously, YouTube began and spent several years as an ad-free, subscription-free platform, so to state that no one has ever had the "right" to use YouTube without paying or watching ads is patently false. But why would someone make such statement? Are they too young to remember an ad-free YouTube? Do they have some vested interest in pushing the idea that the YT user experience has never been and never could be more consumer-friendly than it is? Has the state of political rhetoric in 2025 - the age of Applied Big Brother, where simply stating one's preferred history makes it "real" - trickled down to normal discourse?

Who knows? Anyway, I use an adblocker and Grayjay.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by snakeyjake on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:32PM (#43042837)
People can offer, graciously or not, you something for free.

They can then change their mind.

You are not entitled to it, you never had any “right” to it, and no force real or imagined in the universe will make that so.

I believe that payment in “exposure” is exploitative bullshit and many of my favorite video makers rely on revenue from YouTube as a not-insignificant portion of their income, so I pay.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by wrfrmers on Monday February 17, 2025 @11:53AM (#43080877)
Terms of Service say otherwise. Until the ads came in, users absolutely had a "right" to access YouTube's services for free. I'm sorry that you misspoke.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by asacrowflies on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:29AM (#43036843)
Seems rather extreme and unprovable... Malicious ads already blow up this argument
Re:YouTube's New Hue by anon7000 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:56AM (#43033091)
Yep. And somehow, they’ve figured out how to instantly strike your channel if you accidentally use copyrighted material.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by spicybright on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:20PM (#43038487)
Or strike your channel over baseless claims of infringement. I wish it was only if you used copyrighted material.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by kulahan on Wednesday February 19, 2025 @07:36PM (#43109708)
That’s… infringement of copyright material, no?
Re:YouTube's New Hue by awinter-py on Thursday February 13, 2025 @12:59AM (#43033108)
saw one of deepfake schwarzenegger hocking fake viagra, astounding
Re:YouTube's New Hue by DarkCrusader2 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:12AM (#43033181)
At this point, if someone is not using UBlock and Revanced, it is 100% their fault. Megacorps has very clearly told us that they want ever profits even if it destroys lives, our planet and our future.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by qingcharles on Thursday February 13, 2025 @04:00AM (#43034110)
Or paying for Premium. I do that to make sure the creators get something.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by x187463 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:45AM (#43034957)
I have had premium on a family plan for almost as long as it has existed. It's great to add family members who use YouTube on their televisions giving them an ad-free experience without the shenanigans of setting up blockers at a network level.

I very much don't understand the opposition to paying for some of the services we use every day. I get not wanted to pay 15-20/month for something like Apple or Disney, if you only want to watch a single show/film. But people act like you are crazy for paying for YouTube or Twitch, meanwhile they lose countless hours experiencing the frustration of advertisements. It's common to find discussions online where people are both completely opposed to paying for YouTube, with no real justification for that position, and highly upset at having to watch ads. Same goes for Twitch, which is arguably worse as the ads interrupt live broadcasts.

I use adblock everywhere else, but I thoroughly enjoy not having to worry about it on the platforms I use the most. It's not a scam to pay for something you use and enjoy every day.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by sublinear on Thursday February 13, 2025 @07:13AM (#43035111)
I don't even care about any of that. I simply don't want to log into youtube because the recommendations inevitably turn to shit and I don't want to be stuck with them. The only sane way to use youtube is to never log in and nuke the session every week or so.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by rob on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:05AM (#43035931)
I disagree. I use it every day for 4 years and the recommendations are great. I don't do any weird things like killing my session.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by abhgh on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:42AM (#43036990)
YouTube recommendations have worked very well for me. I listen to a lot of talks and if it weren't for the recommendations I wouldn't have discovered some very interesting talks or even areas. The only time the recommendations derail is when I have guests over and they login into my account (because that's the one always logged in on my roku). But that is expected. And it's easy to get rid of, by deleting the history in a custom date range, or simply by continuing to watch the kind of stuff I was watching earlier.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by sourdoughness on Sunday February 16, 2025 @06:15AM (#43067206)
You can turn watch history off, and then you don’t get any recommendations at all - just the channels you subscribe to. YouTube doesn’t like it - and goes out of its way to make the apps feel a bit broken with out it, but I much prefer to curate my own list of channels without an algorithm trying to keep me watching longer than I mean to.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by lousken on Thursday February 13, 2025 @07:14AM (#43035114)
But you still do see ads even if you are paying. They are just included in the video by the creator. It's not like youtube activates sponsorblock.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by asacrowflies on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:25AM (#43036795)
Why do you not see the issue with some of us not wanting to give fraudulent extorting thieves money? The previous comment was pretty clear and blatant in it's example of unethical immoral even illegal advertisement...and your only reply is why not pay to stop it!

What's next.... Pay this subscription or we will install malware?or break your windows?

Re:YouTube's New Hue by GuB-42 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:32PM (#43040247)
The alternative is to not watch YouTube at all.

If you watch YouTube with an ad blocker, you are still watching YouTube and not supporting a more ethical alternative. Sure, you are not giving YouTube any money, but you are still supporting their dominant position.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by kirb on Friday February 14, 2025 @12:29PM (#43050705)
It’s not creators’ fault the platform does this. YouTube just isn’t going away anytime soon, whether we like that or not, so it makes plenty of sense to spend a bit and give those creators a little bit more revenue from my view. It also feels maybe a bit more ethical that the revenue generated from my view comes from my pocket, rather than a scammer’s stolen funds. Or, well, just declaring for yourself that creators don’t need to be paid. (Yes, there are alternative ways of paying creators like Patreon that you should also consider using, but you also aren’t going to subscribe to the Patreon of every channel you watch.)
Re:YouTube's New Hue by zo1 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @07:52AM (#43035358)
Neither solutions are stopping what is an en-masse creation of fake AI auto-generated content that's impersonating famous celebrities. The example above was ads, but I'm seeing actual youtube videos that clearly mimick the name and likeness of famous people. With barely 2k views, yet they pop up on my feed.

E.g. names like: "Teylor Swift" or "Hilary Clinton". I.e. the difference between the name of the account and an actual real account name is literally 1 letter. You want to tell me that Youtube can auto-detect music playing in videos, and do advanced AI attribution of music to artists, etc... But it can't spawn a manual review process or flag if an account is created with 1 minor letter change?

Re:YouTube's New Hue by DarkCrusader2 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:14AM (#43036024)
Look at how Disney, Prime, Netflix etc. are constantly jacking up their prices and introducing ads in paid tiers. There is zero reason why Google won't do the same.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by filoleg on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:04AM (#43036557)
Fair, but YouTube is imo one of those services that seems pretty fair about price increases. Disclaimer: pricing is regional, so I can only speak for the US pricing (as that’s what I personally dealt with).

It was $7.99 on launch in 2014 (as an early adopter price that they actually let people keep until 2024), $9.99 in 2016, to $11.99 in 2018 (for new subscribers only, you could still keep the old price if you were already paying), to $13.99 in 2024.

While the 2024 was rather steep, it imo doesn’t seem unreasonable (especially for the family plan that went from $17.99 to $22.99, which lets up to 5 people join with their own Goog accounts).

Sidenote: I personally don’t care in the slightest whether people decide to pay for this or just watch with ads or deal with adblockers (or other workarounds). But discussions of YT premium on HN have been a major eye opener for me, as they made me stop believing entirely in all the claims I see on HN in regards to “omg only if Facebook (or any other popular service that is free but makes money through ads) allowed a paid tier without ads, I would instantly pay, as this is an honest business model I support [followed by a large support of that opinion in replies]”. I always took them as genuine takes, but turns out that if even on HN that doesn’t end up holding true (given the discussion in this thread), it stands no chance among the general population.

As for me, I am glad that this option exists, simply because Youtube is one of those online services I peruse quite a lot, and not having to deal with their ads (or even thinking about them or being aware they exist) has been something I am glad to pay the amount they are asking for. Plus, I genuinely support the model of being able to pay a small amount instead of dealing with free-by-making-money-through-ads, especially for services that I spend a ton of time using.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by xyzal on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:28AM (#43036163)
I won't. The ads are in fact a reminder to stop watching crap and go outside instead.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by TheBozzCL on Thursday February 13, 2025 @10:49AM (#43037084)
TBH, right now that just feels like rewarding YouTube’s bad ad behavior. I’d rather just pay the creators via Patreon.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by mrguyorama on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:08PM (#43039176)
Right, I will reward youtube with my money when youtube creators don't feel like they are being chewed up by a machine for pennies and don't constantly have their businesses threatened from abhorrent things like "Showing footage from historical bad events" and "Saying fuck a few times".

I will pay youtube when they change the algorithm and system to not reward clickbait, not reward god awful thumbnails, not reward literal lies, not penalize a channel for a single poorly performing video, etc.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by lxgr on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:09PM (#43040668)
I'd gladly pay for Premium if it didn't come bundled with a completely redundant music streaming subscription.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by pzo on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:40AM (#43033316)
I thought ublock stopped working on youtube, did anything changed?
Re:YouTube's New Hue by gkbrk on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:44AM (#43033336)
Never stopped working for me. Haven't seen a YouTube ad in many years.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by astrolx on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:51AM (#43033364)
Ublock has been blocking all youtube ads for me for many years (on Firefox).
Re:YouTube's New Hue by actionfromafar on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:31AM (#43033942)
Youtube seems to pause the video after less than a minute when I use Firefox. Works in Edge, but then there's ads.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by reddalo on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:36AM (#43033958)
Be sure to use Firefox and "uBlock Origin", not Adblock.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by ajayyy on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:44AM (#43033335)
youtube hasn't touched their anti-adblock code since june
Re:YouTube's New Hue by Xiol32 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:28AM (#43033550)
Saving up all the changes for when they finally drop Manifest V2.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by littlecranky67 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @05:53AM (#43034697)
As a firefox user you won't be affected by that.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by Loic on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:46AM (#43033343)
I am using it with Firefox together with a pie hole equivalent (Mullvad, NextDNS, ...) and my YouTube experience is ad free.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by ahofmann on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:18AM (#43033495)
ublock on Vivaldi here, never saw an ad on YouTube since years.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by brutal_chaos_ on Friday February 14, 2025 @02:54PM (#43052358)
Just aheads up, one should be using uBlock Origin, not uBlock. In short, AdBlock now owns the old uBlock

https://ublockorigin.com/ https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBlock_Origin#uBlock

Re:YouTube's New Hue by mishkatronic on Thursday February 13, 2025 @01:42AM (#43033325)
You can just say you don’t like the new red branding color, you don’t have to go this hard on them.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by snailmailman on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:44AM (#43033648)
This! There are SO MANY borderline nsfw ads on YouTube now. All with AI voices and deepfaked faces. Often the same exact script, but a different face and slightly varied stock footage mixed in.

A simple word filter for “this one simple trick” or “get your _ rock hard” could catch all of these ads. But I guess YouTube makes money off of it, so they have no real incentive to fix the problem.

I even recently got a gun ad with an AI voiceover. Advertising features such as how you “don’t need a license” and it’s “easy to sneak through security”.

Reported that one to YouTube a week ago. Not sure if the ad is still running, but the unlisted video is still up a week later, and it has 2 million views! (Some (all?) ads are just an unlisted video you can grab the id to.) There are multiple comments on it asking how it’s allowed, or saying how they reported it. (As well as a terrifyingly many, possibly bot comments, asking how to buy the item)

It’s breaking TOS in so many ways. There’s a transcript of the video. Videos that contain too many swear words get automatically marked as adult content or demonetized, but they seemingly allow anything in advertisements.

Most ads are less than a minute! If any human at YouTube glanced at the ad for even a second they could remove it and ban the account. Something which should happen before showing the ad to millions.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by zombot on Thursday February 13, 2025 @02:46AM (#43033669)
> Seems illegal

Criminals the size of Google don't have rap sheets, they have a fan base.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by rat9988 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:40AM (#43033987)
> yet i'm forced to watch the garbage.

Are you?

Re:YouTube's New Hue by qingcharles on Thursday February 13, 2025 @03:59AM (#43034103)
Someone showed me a polished ad for some crypto thing, but when I looked at the code the ad wanted you to run it had a bunch of obfuscation that redirected everything you owned to a specific wallet address. I checked six weeks later and YouTube was still running the ad. The wallet had something on the order of $20m added to it in that time.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by xattt on Thursday February 13, 2025 @05:33AM (#43034606)
… but look! NEW HUE! We’re not diluting it either!

I could tolerate Mozilla’s annual pontifications on colour and shape, but YouTube is tone deaf. The design changes they are making aren’t going to shape or mitigate the harm the ads they host are bringing.

Re:YouTube's New Hue by sssilver on Thursday February 13, 2025 @06:00AM (#43034736)
I now hate YouTube so much because of ads that I wonder which is WORSE for their company — watching the ads or paying for premium, just to take the option that gives them least benefit.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by jgalt212 on Thursday February 13, 2025 @09:02AM (#43035916)
It is pretty amazing how many scam ads get waived right through the YouTube "vetting" process.
Re:YouTube's New Hue by quitit on Thursday February 13, 2025 @11:42AM (#43037915)
On Twitter one can see various deepfaked ads of Elon Musk pushing various crypto schemes.

I can't think of any clearer indication that absolutely nothing is being done about these scam ads.

To me it seems like a clear indication that he's lost control of the platform.