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Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Y_Y on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @03:58AM (#42254274)
Cool idea. Amazingly they've found a way to put "in-app purchases" though.

This app could just be an image set as your lock screen background.

I've found a good way to discourage mindless phone staring is to set the display to monochrome (e.g. through colorblind emulation). The decreased visual stimulation seems to have an effect on me, at least until I want to see a photo or video in colour and go back to normal.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by jarko27 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:12AM (#42254361)
Allow me to clarify about "in-app purchases".

The "in-app purchases" are for small complementary features, like making the screen appear on a schedule, making it impossible to skip the screen, and adding a lock button to lock the screen. Those features aren't essential for the app to function.

> This app could just be an image set as your lock screen background.

Well, yes and no. In the app, you can interact with the prompts. There is a history of your itneraction. You can export it and then analyze it if needed.

> I've found a good way to discourage mindless phone staring is to set the display to monochrome (e.g. through colorblind emulation). The decreased visual stimulation seems to have an effect on me, at least until I want to see a photo or video in colour and go back to normal.

+1 here. I have always had this setting on closer to bedtime.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by mzhaase on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:01AM (#42254673)
The point I think was more a critique on the fact that everyone now tries to extract profit with everything, even the simplest of apps.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by cowsandmilk on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:25AM (#42254808)
The point is, everyone believes all apps should be free when this developer spent time building, testing, and iterating to come out with quite the useful app. And the developer respects users, so they chose to monetize in a way that doesn’t collect our data or shove ads in our faces.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by madeofpalk on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:52AM (#42254974)
The first thing OP says is "Cool idea - don't deserve to get paid for it though".
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Y_Y on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @11:40AM (#42257394)
I think you'll find that's not quite true.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by ltadeut on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:06AM (#42254698)
why shouldn't they? they had to take the time to make the app and get it up on the App Store.

it's totally fair to charge for work you've done. the fact it's simple is irrelevant. what matters is the value it brings to the user.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by matkv on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:22AM (#42254791)
It is totally fair to charge for work you've done - but then again, in my opinion, not everything needs to be built with some profit in mind (not talking about this app in particular now).

I think it's really refreshing to find an app that doesn't lock any features behind a paywall or makes using it more cumbersome unless you pay. I'm mostly okay with one-time payments though.

Just because you invested some time into making a project doesn't mean that you absolutely need to make some money to make it "worth" it. Hell, most open-source software is built on free/voluntary labor.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by agubelu on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:44AM (#42254913)
> not everything needs to be built with some profit in mind (not talking about this app in particular now).

I agree, and I make many projects for fun and find it rewarding when others use what I've built. But that is a decision that I make myself, for my own work. I never feel like I have the right to tell others whether they should build something with profit in mind or not.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by matkv on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:01AM (#42255023)
I agree - it's definitely OP's decision and a valid one.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by mavamaarten on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:42AM (#42254904)
I understand the sentiment from a user's perspective, I really do.

I have been totally burned out by having to maintain all my free apps in the Play Store though, lately. Even a simple non-internet-using app needs an update every year and needs to comply with new bullshit policies every few months. It has totally changed my opinion on free vs paid apps. I still despise subscription models, but I absolutely understand that there's just no free apps out there anymore. It just costs too much of my time to keep doing it for free.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by mongol on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:17AM (#42255125)
Agree. I had a free app with 100000 downloads, no ads and 4.5 rating on Play store, it is no longer there because I got fed up with Google's nagging. If I will do free things going forward, I will do them outside closed ecosystems.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by throwaway290 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @09:09AM (#42256198)
It is economically better for google if your free app is gone and someone makes a paid app or an app with ads...
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Y_Y on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @11:49AM (#42257486)
Interesting point. I think that the availability of good free apps on Play Store has a positive effect on the market for Android phones in general. I know it factors into people's decision of phone religion that apps are more likely to charge on Apple's store (even sometimes for an app which is free on Android).

All that said, F-droid is the only one I'll ever love.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by jventura on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:27AM (#42255188)
Also agree, and would also include paid apps as well!

I had a paid app which was a one time payment and was not doing anything special regarding permissions (no internet, nothing like that), but since it wasn't was bringing much revenue (some 3$-4$ per year), I let the Play Store remove it automatically. I couldn't justify adding the absurd data policies (since I wasn't using any user data) and the cost of updating it regularly.

Sorry for my 100 users, that cannot reinstall the app anymore!

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by matkv on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:04AM (#42255046)
I've actually been talking about the developer's perspective as well - I have a couple of personal projects that I've invested quite a bit of time into but I still don't feel the need to try to find a way to monetize them.

I can definitely see your point though. Maybe an option would be open sourcing your app? (considering it's already free anyway) - that way you could maybe find some contributors to make it easier to keep up with everything.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Apocryphon on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @07:25AM (#42255499)
Maybe the developer has bills to pay. Who are you to pontificate on whether they ought to be compensated or not?
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by account42 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @07:41AM (#42255592)
Who are you to tell others what they are allowed to think and talk about?
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Apocryphon on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @02:37PM (#42259002)
By dint of not finger-wagging at others for not automatically making their projects FOSS.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by mavamaarten on Monday December 02, 2024 @01:29AM (#42293663)
As much as I'm dependent on many open source projects (shout-out to Home Assistant, Immich and more), I've been burned by open sourcing my apps in the past too often to consider this for serious projects.

Regardless of what license you use, people will find a way to abuse your stuff. One of the two apps I open sourced we're published on the play store with tons of ads, in many different flavours. The other was used as a base to scam people.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by YetAnotherNick on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:07AM (#42255057)
> not everything needs to be built with some profit in mind

You didn't say this earlier. You said this app doesn't need to be developed with profit in mind.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by matkv on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:11AM (#42255091)
I'm not the same user as the parent comment.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by akkad33 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:18AM (#42254758)
It's time and effort. If you're not willing to pay you're saying it has no value. I prefer a small upfront fee to seeing in app purchases though
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by robin_reala on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:25AM (#42254811)
That’s not true: not all value is monetary. The results of my hobby are distributed for free, but I gain value from the creation process for myself.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by akkad33 on Saturday November 30, 2024 @08:09AM (#42281412)
Imagine someone less privileged than you tries to make a living this way. It's completely legitimate
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by endorphine on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:37AM (#42254881)
Critiquing the players and not the game misses the forest for the trees. This is the system we live in.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by ryandrake on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:55AM (#42254997)
You're allowed to critique both. "The system" isn't handed down from god. It's just a set of choices made by people.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Timwi on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:09AM (#42255075)
Yes, and one of those choices made by people is that if you don't make money, you deserve to starve.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by MMAesawy on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:22AM (#42254787)
How would you suggest to compensate devs for developing and maintaining such apps?

Personally I would much prefer that developers lock poweruser features behind a paywall rather than plaster ugly ads all over the place. Making it a paid app works too, but likely 95% of the potential userbase would not try the app if they had to reach for their wallets first.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:56AM (#42255349)
UBI.

(I would leave the comment at that, but it would probably come across as a bit facetious and would fail any 'low-effort' test. But I genuinely mean it: remove the necessity to obtain a certain amount of money every month, and all of a sudden, people would be able to create, share, and enjoy for free.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Timwi on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:15AM (#42255107)
> How would you suggest to compensate devs for developing and maintaining such apps?

As a developer, I feel more than sufficiently compensated by seeing people use and enjoy my work and thanking me. Getting featured on Hacker News would make my day; nay, year.

I just need to be able to eat and use a computer. I shouldn't have to prove myself valuable just to be allowed to live. I think everybody, regardless of what they do, deserve a livable basic income.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by jamalaramala on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:22AM (#42255155)
Great idea for a little app. <3

I don't see a problem with in-app purchases, but have you considered offering the unlocked app for free under Google Play Pass?

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by jarko27 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @07:55AM (#42255672)
Thanks

Never used 'Google Play Pass' and haven't explored it from a dev perspective. If that's something like a toggle in Google Play Console then I see no problem enabling it.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by youoy on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:15AM (#42254380)
I do the same! It works pretty good for "visually addictive" apps... but not for HN for now
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by siva7 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:16AM (#42254743)
For that you set noproc in hn settings.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by youoy on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:40AM (#42255257)
Ah, I was not aware of that! Thanks!
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by PittleyDunkin on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @04:47AM (#42254589)
> Amazingly they've found a way to put "in-app purchases" though.

I've been so happy slowly going through my phone and removing every single app on my phone that has either ads or in-app purchases. I don't miss a single one.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by icetank on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:17AM (#42255126)
Hacker news has ads in the form of job positions. Do you also consider not using Hacker news anymore?
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by PittleyDunkin on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @08:12AM (#42255790)
If I sense that these so-called ads are lowering my quality of life—absolutely.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by everdrive on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @07:39AM (#42255581)
My sentence, in a very loose sense is an advertisement for my ideas. I think the concept can be stretched too far.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by monooso on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:56AM (#42255350)
That's a pretty loose definition of an advertisement, particularly in the context of this conversation.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by oneeyedpigeon on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:57AM (#42255354)
Not all ads are equal. I am willing to bet that every single app they were referring to had much more egregious advertising than HN does.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by GrinningFool on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @10:01AM (#42256606)
Your comment comes across as disingenuous.

I think by this point in time, most people who are taking an active effort to remove advertising from their lives are well aware that the concern with "ads" isn't primarily about the requirement to see ads - it's the privacy-consuming infrastructure behind them.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by Y_Y on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:53PM (#42258636)
Not to mention the attention-stealing flashing lights and popping up over the thing you want to see and all the other ways to make you think about something against your will.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by siva7 on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:17AM (#42254750)
Best of all it saves battery
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by zuppy on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:21AM (#42254786)
same thing worked for me. on iphone, ios 18 introduced a way to apply shades to everything, including app icon and notification counters. since i made the entire thing darker, i've stopped using instagram. i couldn't believe that such a small thing could do wonders. probably the same thing can be achieved by disabling the notification counter, but i think it's better to have it when you want to look for it, but make it not pop out into your eyes.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by HPsquared on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @05:44AM (#42254916)
I have greyscale set to activate in the evening to wind down for bed.
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by blahlabs on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:10AM (#42255083)
Could you share how you achieved activating greyscale automatically? Was it Android or iOS?

I would love to be able to do this but couldn't find a way on GrapheneOS.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by chris_pie on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:35AM (#42255237)
Latest Android has that built-in as a "Night Mode". You can also set a schedule or have it enable while charging
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by HPsquared on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @09:44AM (#42256477)
It's a Samsung, Android phone. I used "Modes and Routines" which allows to set greyscale (and silent mode etc.) and automate triggers (such as time of day) to activate a "mode".
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by andreicap on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:16AM (#42255120)
I do the same with iOS automations - disable monochrome (and orientation lock) for photos and camera apps, and enable it back once closed.

The benefit is that it re-enables monochrome mode after I might disable it manually.

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by newswasboring on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @06:20AM (#42255146)
> This app could just be an image set as your lock screen background.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by space_oddity on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @07:43AM (#42255603)
Either way, it’s all about finding what clicks for you!
Re:Show HN: App that asks 'why?' every time you unlock your ... by hackernewds on Wednesday November 27, 2024 @01:33PM (#42258444)
you can find a balance here by setting on bedtime mode in Android where after sunset, your screen glows black and white and they added the ability to pause for 30 minutes.