News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ajb on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @06:57PM (#40447811)
See also the delightful Sloth song of Flanders and Swann: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blDNO5qznjM
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by roughly on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @06:59PM (#40447845)
Today I Learned from a link on that page that sloths camouflage themselves by growing algae on their fur and moving very slowly: https://slothconservation.org/with-a-little-help-from-my-fri...
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by nsguy on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:41PM (#40448330)
IIRC they also come down from their tree to poop once per week.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by TheRoque on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:39PM (#40448924)
And the poop can be up to 3/4 of their total weight
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by dtgriscom on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:02PM (#40449114)
Wait a minute.... that article says that the contents of their stomachs can be up to a third of their weight. Add 3/4 of their weight is poop, and that's more than 100% of each sloth being either digesting leaves or digested leaves.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by at_a_remove on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:49PM (#40449461)
I think that it probably goes like: 0/0, 30/0, 0/25, 30/25, 0/50, 30/50, 0/75, so that one in emptying into the other fast enough to avoid overslothing, assuming 5% goes to making the sloth fatter. This allows for a minimum "neither tummy nor turd" 20% sloth floor value.

If that were increased, we would instead see a series with smaller and smaller non-zero values for fullness as we approach maximum sloth fecalness.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by xattt on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:53PM (#40449909)
Fecality factor?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by at_a_remove on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:03AM (#40450339)
Sloth stool ceiling.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by labster on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:24PM (#40449701)
The mathematics works the same way as programming projects: when the task is 90% done you get to finish the remaining 90% of the work.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by TheRoque on Thursday May 23, 2024 @03:38AM (#40451677)
I made a mistake. It's 1/3, but I think it's included in the "stomach's weight". Sorry
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by dumpHero2 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:22AM (#40450746)
Why do they come down to poop?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by istjohn on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:39AM (#40450857)
They're not going to risk having it land on some poor unsuspecting sloth below them! That would be barbaric.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by kulahan on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:03PM (#40449564)
For a less-fun fact: tons and tons of bugs live in their fur. Sometimes literally thousands of moths, beetles, etc. are living in their fur. Some bug species are only found on sloths.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by klondike_klive on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:06PM (#40447928)
It occurred to me for the first time the other day that the word "sloth" is to "slow" what "warmth" is to "warm".
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by endofreach on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:44PM (#40448372)
Well, it would be "slowth"...

Which makes me think: i am surprised that is not an excessively used term in the startup / brotrepreneur world...

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by walrus01 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:03PM (#40449127)
"slowth" is how David Attenborough pronounces it, and if anyone could be considered an authoritative English language expert on the common (non-latin) names of mammals, he would be it...
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by schoen on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @11:26PM (#40450150)
Apparently it was historically spelled in a way that makes the slow + -th connection more apparent!

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sloth#Etymology

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by mc32 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:41PM (#40448331)
And some people do pronounce the word “slow-th” though it’s atypical.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by NovemberWhiskey on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:45PM (#40448965)
It’s how it’s pronounced in British English.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bitdivision on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:05AM (#40452327)
No it's not. It's pronounced in the same way as the US, unless you're David Attenborough.

Edit: It seems as though others do say slow-th, but it's not something I've really heard from the younger generation

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by NovemberWhiskey on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:08AM (#40455663)
The RP pronunciation (i.e. standard British English) is /sləʊθ/ ... i.e. slow-th, and that's how it's indicated in the OED.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by vrc on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:48PM (#40448398)
Many would bristle at you referring to Sir David Attenborough as atypical!
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Loughla on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:02PM (#40449118)
I was joking around with a student from England who is attending the college I'm consulting with right now. He is trying to figure out a future career. He wants to do something with media. I was throwing out really stupid ideas to get him to laugh. Then I Said, "why not replace Attenborough?"

The joking immediately stopped and he stared at me deadpan and said "not funny. No one could do that."

It was amazing.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Nursie on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @11:47PM (#40450266)
Yeah, we Brits are very proud of him, a real one of a kind national treasure. But we're also now painfully aware that Sir David is quite, quite old. Born in 1926 apparently. And there really isn't an obvious candidate to fill the gap once he does go.

After having had that voice on well-produced nature content for my entire life, I find most other nature-documentary voice-overs quite jarring. Even the British ones (Tom Hiddlestone had a go recently IIRC).

I will say though that I enjoyed Paul Rudd doing ‘Secrets of the Octopus’. Didn't overplay it, just did a really good job IMHO.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by luxuryballs on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:49AM (#40450584)
uh oh I can see where this is going given the current technology trends… I wonder if his family can patent the voice or get royalties from a reproduction
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Nursie on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:54AM (#40450613)
Oh, I really hope that's not where we end up!

I have lots of time for well-meaning parody though, such as this one about the majestic Australian White Ibis (otherwise known as the bin chicken) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4dYWhkSbTU

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by iainmerrick on Thursday May 23, 2024 @07:57AM (#40453596)
Tangentially, for the Attenborough fans here, I highly recommend you check out "Zoo Quest in Colour" if you haven't already: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03qxfsg

"Zoo Quest" is his first nature documentary series, from 1954(!), very different in style from today's nature shows. I remember as a child seeing clips of it when it was already ancient history -- grainy black-and-white footage of a very young and athletic Attenborough practically wrestling a lizard.

It was originally broadcast before colour TV existed in the UK (funnily enough, Attenborough was the controller at BBC 2 when they pioneered colour broadcasting) so everyone assumed it had been shot in black and white. But in 2016 someone discovered that much of the original footage was colour film. The restored version is absolutely gorgeous.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by iainmerrick on Thursday May 23, 2024 @08:11AM (#40453738)
After having had that voice on well-produced nature content for my entire life, I find most other nature-documentary voice-overs quite jarring.

Yes! I think it's not just familiarity, what makes him definitive is a combination of factors: fantastic voice and deep domain knowledge and his very clear love and enthusiasm for nature.

You can get an actor with a great voice, Morgan Freeman or Tom Hiddleston or whoever, but you always know they're just reading from a script and probably don't know any more about the animals than you do.

And there are other experts with a knack for presenting, people like Mary Beard, but you can't just transfer that knowledge to a completely different subject area.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by sudobash1 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @11:41PM (#40450229)
I have always heard this pronunciation in American English when referring to the vice.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by jagged-chisel on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:10PM (#40449176)
One of the seven deadly sins
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by moffkalast on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:00AM (#40452719)
Rule number one: Cardio.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ks2048 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:05AM (#40450662)
According to wiktionary, these are the examples of -th "Used to form nouns of quality from adjectives. (no longer productive except jocular coinages)":

breadth, chillth, coolth, dampth, dearth, depth, filth, health, height/heighth, illth, length, roomth, ruth, strength, troth, truth, sloth/slowth, warmth, wealth, width, wrath, wrength, youth/youngth

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by eastbound on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:17AM (#40450717)
When you want to make them adjectives again… add a “y”: wealthy, truthy, healthy…

(As a foreigner I’m curious what the original adjective was for filth, length, ruth, wealthy, wrath).

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ks2048 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:56AM (#40450967)
As a native English speaker there are words there that I've never seen and others were I would not know the original adjective. In wiktionary, you can click them see etymology, here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-th#English

For example, apparently "filth" comes from the equivalent of "foul".

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by jeroenhd on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:38AM (#40450853)
> As a foreigner I’m curious what the original adjective was for filth, length, ruth, wealthy, wrath

Looked the ones I didn't know the adjectives of up on wiktionary: foul, long, rue, possibly the archaic "wele" (but there are multiple etymological paths), and basically "wrath" but pronounced slightly differently going back thousands of years.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by xerox13ster on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:59AM (#40455554)
Wealthy's root form is weal. As in we should do things for the common weal of the people.

Weal is defined as happiness, well-being, prosperity, or that which is best for someone.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by checkyoursudo on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:07AM (#40452759)
Earthy means someone with big ears. Or lots of ears, maybe.

I am a little surprised that ruth is spelled that way instead of like rueth, which seems more like how I would expect it to be said.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by musicale on Friday May 24, 2024 @12:10AM (#40462726)
length <- long

strength <- strong

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Mordisquitos on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:54AM (#40453085)
> "Used to form nouns of quality from adjectives. (no longer productive except jocular coinages)"

But enough jocularth can eventually result in -th becoming productive again!

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by thfuran on Thursday May 23, 2024 @09:03AM (#40454185)
I'd prefer we focus our efforts on -le.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by SamBam on Thursday May 23, 2024 @09:11AM (#40454258)
> heighth

I've heard this said, and seen this in plenty of codebases. `let width = 10, heighth = 10`

Its intuitive match to "width" makes me wonder why it ever became "incorrect."

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by brookst on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:29AM (#40455186)
Too many aitches + four consonants in a row. It just looks weird.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by SamBam on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:02AM (#40455592)
That's probably the reason for eliminating the written word. Saying "width and heighth" still sounds pretty reasonable (I have to stop myself from saying it), and I hear it all the time.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by brookst on Friday May 24, 2024 @02:25PM (#40469050)
Good catch. I do say "heighth" but spell it "height." It's like the opposite of a silent H; an invisible H or something.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by sethammons on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:28AM (#40455911)
so _that_ is why some pronounce it "slow-th" vs "sloth" (that rhymes with cloth)
[dead]
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by elevatedastalt on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:25PM (#40448816)
You literally created a new account to post this unsubstantive and obviously strawmannish comment. I am not a mod and have no authority on this forum but we'd honestly be better off without you.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by davidmurdoch on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:09PM (#40448631)
That's what we call "grind culture". People like that do exist though, but it's not a majority by any stretch. Maybe it was a few generations ago though.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by prashp on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:37PM (#40448291)
This is a question about survival, not productivity.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by somekyle2 on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:55PM (#40448478)
who is saying this on the behalf of western society?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by yndoendo on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @08:33PM (#40448880)
"The Unexpected Truth about Animals" by Lucy Cooke talks about this and goes into more detail. Enjoyed the other animals too. It has a good example of how humans will still ignore reality in the animal kingdom when it comes to religious beliefs.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34211802-the-unexpected-...

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by agumonkey on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:05AM (#40454910)
There should be social activities that revolves around spending a lot of time in nature close to animals.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by soneca on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:26PM (#40449287)
> ”Research has shown that all sloths have a rare genetic condition called ‘rod monochromacy’”

Weird phrasing. All of them having something that is rare means it is not rare at all, right? And if all of them have it, it is not a “condition”, it is their genes, how they are.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Retric on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:44PM (#40449424)
It’s rare among mammals in general even if it’s universal for sloths.

Most people think of evolution as a string of improvements, however you can get negative traits in a population from a large enough genetic bottleneck or spread by being next to a very useful mutation. So it’s not necessarily an advantage for them, it could have just been bad luck.

Alternatively, there could have been some selective pressure for it as a means of improving night vision or something, we just don’t know.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by whyslothslow on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @09:48PM (#40449452)
Wait. So why are sloths so slow?

I read this whole article and it’s still not clear to me _why_ they’re slow.

I’m genuinely curious! It seems like this article just lists a bunch of facts about sloths. But doesn’t say why being nearly blind or having a slow metabolism gives any evolutionary advantages.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Terr_ on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:00PM (#40449548)
The article has three headings which I'd paraphrase as:

1. With their poor eyesight, if they were fast they'd half-blindly get into trouble and fall to their deaths or whatever, so it's kinda-sorta beneficial given that other constraint.

2. Being slow-by-design reduces calorie needs, meaning they can survive eating a smaller amount of stuff and stuff that other animals also don't want as much. This lets them fit into a low-competition niche.

3. Most nearby predators are looking for fast-moving targets, so being slow helps them avoid being detected.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ggm on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:02AM (#40450645)
This has chicken/egg qualities. Sloths may have poor eyesight because the energy burden and genetic expression behind better eyesight doesn't pay in their niche, but that could imply it's the downgrade option after they slow down, not the input condition which led to slow lifestyle.

Similar to why some small things become giants and some giant things become smalls, it all depends on the niche, and the input conditions before transformation through time and genes.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bradley13 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:36AM (#40452544)
The article doesn't mention it, but I wonder if there isn't a fourth:

4. Having little muscle mass, and with more than a third of their body weight being half-digested leaves, there's not much worth eating.

Surely a sloth is not the primary prey of any predator. More of a desperation move?

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ricksunny on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:00PM (#40457129)
(not sure why 'surely')
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Aardwolf on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:51AM (#40452648)
Sure but why did poor eyesight evolve, what was the evolutionary advantage?

They hide from predators like jaguars, ocelots and eagles, but why did no predator that grabs them from the trees evolve?

(Just trying to learn from them and their amazing ability to stay under the radar for 65 million years :D)

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Terr_ on Thursday May 23, 2024 @02:15PM (#40457977)
> They hide from predators like jaguars, ocelots and eagles, but why did no predator that grabs them from the trees evolve?

Isn't that what the eagles already do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0zrah5JEBM

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by plaidphantom on Friday May 24, 2024 @10:35PM (#40472221)
A harmful attribute on its own can be advantageous when combined with others. Think of it as finding a new "local maxima" in the sum total of evolutionary traits. Being (probably randomly) near-blind may have led to being slow and careful, which was the temperament needed to survive climbing trees, which got them away from ground-based predators and found them a lot of leaves ground sloths couldn't reach.

Evolution is basically a random-walk algorithm to find combinations that work.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by The_Colonel on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:40AM (#40450540)
> It seems like this article just lists a bunch of facts about sloths.

It's because there's no singular reason for it. Evolution is blind (pun not intended), doesn't have motivation or reasoning. I think the article makes a good job explaining the set of evolutionary forces which likely pushed sloths into this direction.

> But doesn’t say why being nearly blind

The article mentions that this mutation already happened to the sloth ancestors, which lived on the ground. It's possible that it provided some advantage to those, or perhaps it didn't actually matter much (perhaps they were nocturnal?)

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Log_out_ on Thursday May 23, 2024 @02:03AM (#40451008)
Evolution happily trades everything away that would allow to escape the niche your stuck in. And one day, you are a koala, unable to recognize leaves when they are not on branches, a planktonwhale beaching yourselves, a panda who needs electric help to procreate, or a sloth to slow and calorie low to eat. Moral of the story: High effort Low Energy diets are a evolutionary swamp - never eat all your veggies.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by roenxi on Thursday May 23, 2024 @04:35AM (#40452109)
> But doesn’t say why ... slow metabolism gives any evolutionary advantages

I imagine the author accidentally thought it was obvious. Having a slow metabolism is an evolutionary advantage in the same way not spending money is a financial advantage. It uses little energy and energy is usually the limit on what animals can do. If you don't spend much money, you don't need to earn much and can just exist. Being a high-earner-high-spender is probably a more efficient equilibrium, but spending nearly nothing works well enough to survive and if someone can spend less than they earn eventually they get wealthy.

If sloths don't do much, they don't need to eat much to balance out the energy expenditure. If they don't need to eat much, they can take less risks and tend to survive. Being slow is one aspect of their strategy of not needing to eat much.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by fuzzfactor on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:39AM (#40455302)
>why are sloths so slow?

Well they started early and had already arrived before all of us got here.

No reason to get in a hurry after that.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ricksunny on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:07PM (#40457202)
Just respecting the creation of an ad-hoc HN account dedicated to getting this evolutionary biology question answered =)
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by smallerfish on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @10:13PM (#40449634)
We had a tree topple in our backyard last year during a rainstorm. Several days later I was working with a crew, cutting it up; one of the gardeners working on the top branches of the tree waved at me and beckoned me over, and when I got there pointed out a sloth, still tightly gripping a limb of the fallen tree. We cut the branch that it was on, and then carried branch and sloth over to the nearest large tree. The sloth relatively rapidly transferred to the trunk of the tree, and then relatively rapidly ascended into the canopy, where we lost sight of it.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Rinzler89 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:27AM (#40450460)
>sloth, still tightly gripping a limb of the fallen tree

Wow. Didn't it get hurt from the tree falling down on it?

>rapidly ascended

Doesn't sound very slothy.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by MathMonkeyMan on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:28AM (#40450474)
Save energy except when you definitely need it.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by SV_BubbleTime on Thursday May 23, 2024 @09:57AM (#40454807)
They can move very fast.

However… their diet is so calorie low that they can actually really harm themselves by exerting too much energy, basically can’t replace it quickly enough.

They are so evolutionary evolved to move slow, I saw one scared and struggling against a vet that it was still moving in a slow motion defense.

Side note, that vet only had 4.5 fingers on one hand. A sloth bit half of one off years ago in a slow motion amputation. Very sharp teeth (they move slow) and very powerful jaws.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by Etherlord87 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:10AM (#40452785)
"relatively"
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by teruakohatu on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @11:03PM (#40449982)
Sloths almost seem like creatures that evolved on another (slow) world. I wonder if they perceive time differently to us and if their brains are underclocked.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by antisthenes on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:25AM (#40450447)
Maybe they figured out the secret to a Zen life?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bbarn on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:47AM (#40450904)
Another fun fact about sloths. My wife is curator of a zoo and they have had some in the past. That slow digestion the article mentions? They probably have some of the worst smelling feces of any animal in the wild.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bell-cot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @04:08AM (#40451917)
Might that be another part of their predator-discouraging strategies?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by greentxt on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:40AM (#40452992)
I doubt they can control the smell.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bell-cot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:48AM (#40453042)
Puffer fish can't control being poisonous, but it still discourages predators.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by lagniappe on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:29AM (#40455920)
Poor example, they're not naturally poisonous, it's dietary. Palytoxin and Ciguatoxin are not endogenous, the animal first has to eat another organism containing a dinoflagellate that creates these toxins, Gambierdiscus toxicus. This quality is inherent to most reef fish, especially ones with beaks.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by greentxt on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:43AM (#40456140)
Begging the question, nature or nutrition.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bell-cot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:19PM (#40457355)
> Poor example, they're not naturally...

So...what if the vile-smelling feces of the sloths was not "natural", but due to a variety of microorganisms which had colonized their intestines?

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by CubicsRube on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:54AM (#40453083)
Like tigers can't control their coat color or stripe pattern, but it has an evolutionary advantage so these traits persist.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by shellfishgene on Thursday May 23, 2024 @09:01AM (#40454168)
Probably not, sloths only poop on the ground, which makes them vulnerable. Related post from the site: https://slothconservation.org/why-do-sloths-poop-on-the-grou...
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by nixass on Thursday May 23, 2024 @02:06AM (#40451015)
(⊙ω⊙)
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by wombatpm on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:30AM (#40455200)
Sloths are also the only land mammals that can have more than 7 cervical vertebrae. Any other mammals born with more than 7 die quickly from cancer
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by lagniappe on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:26AM (#40455882)
Hang on, what? Specifically the cancer part
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by hurtuvac78 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @01:55AM (#40450960)
I have seen videos of small turtles going really fast on tiny skateboards. All of a sudden, they become a fast animal and seem happy with it. A bit like human with a bike or a car.

Feels like evolution is not as perfect as we want to believe sometimes.

Could something similar happen with sloths? Maybe their eyesight would improve quickly?

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by mzl on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:08AM (#40452341)
Who has ever said that evolution is perfect?
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by rramadass on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:53AM (#40452670)
Interesting article. Given their low metabolism, lack of muscles, low amount of food intake i was wondering where their strength comes from. Thankfully the article links to another fascinating one which explains it - https://slothconservation.org/think-stronger-sloth/#:~:text=....
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by marginalia_nu on Thursday May 23, 2024 @07:00AM (#40453130)
Most animals leave a lot of brute strength off the table by how they are designed, because there's more important concerns such as speed and explosivity. Strength is a tertiary concern.

The human biceps is a good example of this. From a mechanical standpoint, where its insertion is like barely below the elbow joint, the bicep has extremely poor leverage, to the point where it needs to exert much more force than the hand does probably by a factor ~20-50. If it somehow went diagonally between the shoulder and the wrist, maximizing leverage, ignoring everything unpractical about this you'd be able to curl a small car engine. The downside is that a diagonal bicep would give us about 40 degrees of range of motion for the elbow and we'd be completely unable to throw things.

Big exception is jaw muscles (which are set up closer to that bicep thought experiment). Since they don't need to "escape" from anything and can sacrifice a bit of range of motion, they can afford to optimize for strength and endurance.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by rramadass on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:49AM (#40455443)
Nice. I find the evolutionary design, adaptation and body dynamics of the various animal species highly fascinating. With an interest in Hatha Yoga and Martial Arts i also like to figure out how the Human Body can do apparently "impossible" feats of strength. One good example is Shaolin Monks/Circus Strongmen lifting bicycles/tables etc. by biting them with their teeth which can be explained by the natural strength of the jaw muscles due to its anatomical construction as you point out. A couple more are; 1) Mountain Sherpas carrying huge loads using headbands and traditional baskets 2) African/South Asian/South-East Asian rural women balancing and carrying huge loads on their heads all with minimal energy expenditure. These all seem to involve strong neck muscles, a unique posture and gait and proper body alignment.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by asimpletune on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:25AM (#40452889)
I think this is the first time I've seen someone use text fragments in the wild.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by anentropic on Thursday May 23, 2024 @06:27AM (#40452907)
in Chrome just right-click and "copy link to highlight"

it's handy for sites that don't put anchors on all their headings etc... or like this to link to random place in body text

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by kaon_ on Thursday May 23, 2024 @07:28AM (#40453343)
Fun read! It still surprises me no predator has been able to somehow take advantage of this evolutionary gap. You'd think one of the predators mentioned in the article would evolve a different way to the detect them.

Then again, something similar probably happened many times in evolutionary history, and the victim species died out as a result. So if one of those predators would exist, we wouldn't have sloths. I guess this leaves them vulnerable to invasive species?

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by amelius on Thursday May 23, 2024 @07:37AM (#40453426)
Turtles aren't particularly fast either ...
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by jvanderbot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @08:04AM (#40453669)
I do not understand the downvotes. I watched a half-meter-wide snapping turtle spend all day trundling its way to the water this spring. It looked like one of those world war 1 tanks.

Of course, it had the armor of a tank and a 20 cm neck with a bolt cutter for a mouth.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by cess11 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @07:48AM (#40453508)
Leatherbacks can do 30 km/h sprints and they are very good at doing quick turns.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by shellfishgene on Thursday May 23, 2024 @09:10AM (#40454248)
It's not like they never get eaten by predators, as the article says. It's only that they need ot shift the balance far enough in their favor to not die out, like by improving camouflage.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by ajnin on Friday May 24, 2024 @04:56AM (#40464305)
The article also mentions that they have relatively little muscle mass, so maybe it is more rewarding to catch say a regular monkey rather than a sloth.

Evolutionary traits usually come with a tradeoff, and if a predator evolved to be able to catch sloths more easily it might make them less able to catch the juiciest prey, so overall it might be more worthwhile to focus on the other animals and leave sloths off the table, so to speak.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by hcarvalhoalves on Thursday May 23, 2024 @08:04AM (#40453665)
People have been maimed by sloths under the false assumption that, because it moves slowly, it isn’t dangerous. The animal is actually quite strong and can defend itself with the claws.

In Brazil you can visit caves featuring scars on the rock from the pre-historic giant sloth’s claws. This funny animal descends from that!

https://oglobo-globo-com.translate.goog/google/amp/brasil/no...

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by inSenCite on Thursday May 23, 2024 @08:50AM (#40454058)
Sloths are pretty rad.

But given their lack of thermal regulation, I wonder if this leaves them especially vulnerable to climate change.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by kruczek on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:13AM (#40455009)
This reminds me of the same revelation I had when observing my cat in a backyard. There were many snails around, but my cat seemed completely oblivious to their presence; it wouldn't register them as living animals, because they would move so slowly.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by blueyes on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:29AM (#40455179)
For people who like sloths, I highly recommend the Pygmy Slow Loris:

https://nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/pygmy-slow-loris

In America, you can find them at the DC zoo in a shadowed alcove under red light to simulate night time during visiting hours.

Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by butz on Thursday May 23, 2024 @10:32AM (#40455225)
Why such strange text formatting? Text color seems to change randomly, some paragraphs, words and even part of words are in bold.
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by bilater on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:03AM (#40455606)
Obligatory Zootopia Sloth scene: https://youtu.be/HHKwnUa3txo?si=ZblXuDa4RXtYXzzk
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by labrador on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:38AM (#40456066)
Sloths evolved in an environment where they didn't need to be fast
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by veunes on Thursday May 23, 2024 @05:30PM (#40460132)
My spirit animal is a sloth. Manifesting it here
Re:Why Are Sloths So Slow? by opyate on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @04:22AM (#40571984)
TLC;DR

Too low contrast; didn't read