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Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by htrp on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:39PM (#40361403)
Ilya will literally have a blank check from almost all the VC's in the industry.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mupuff1234 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:44PM (#40361435)
And probably all of the big tech CEOs are trying to get him on the phone right now.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by hipadev23 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:20PM (#40361664)
That would be highly irresponsible of them to hire someone who went directly against leadership with an attempted coup.

Stability will most likely make him CEO.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by blackguardx on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:25PM (#40361696)
He was on the board! He was leadership!
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mc32 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:57PM (#40361510)
Wouldn’t they have had convos weeks ago and this is just making it official?

Sure some people do ‘jump off the burning platform’, but most like to have some alternative options worked out.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by willsmith72 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:07PM (#40361572)
well he already mentioned a new project in the original tweet, so need to speculate, it sounds like he's already decided
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by IncreasePosts on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:59PM (#40361931)
Except all the big tech CEOs have head AI honchos who are huge names in their own right, eg yann for meta and demis for Google. Probably couldn't bring him into those places without ruffling some pretty big feathers
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by afefers on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:41PM (#40362196)
Not Apple... At least as far as I known.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by margorczynski on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:50PM (#40362252)
But Apple now seemed to enter some kind of agreement with OpenAI, not sure if Ilya or OpenAI would want to work together even via proxy.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by localfirst on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:46PM (#40361452)
6 months ago? 100%

Now? I'm not so sure. Many have begun to sell their stakes on the secondary market. Enterprise customers aren't biting.

If Nvidia stock corrects significantly in the future, that will be the end of the road for almost all major AI startups, which are essentially money funnelling schemes for pension/family offices/hedge funds who are long Nvidia.

edit: It appears some people below are struggling to make the connection so allow me to assist in your understanding of the bigger picture: large funds use VCs as money mules to increase Nvidia GPU sales through investments in AI startups and this is not sustainable. If VCs are selling their stake on secondary market, if large funds are unloading their shares, if executives are cashing out their stock options, who is left to buy the bags? This I will leave as an exercise for the confused.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by epolanski on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:01PM (#40361535)
Comments like this make me wonder whether I'm on reddit or HN.

The future trajectory of AI isn't tied to Nvidia's stock in the same way the web didn't thrive or die on Cisco being the most valuable company in the world 24 years ago.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by sangnoir on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:13PM (#40361624)
Perhaps not in general, but if the barrier of entry is radically lowered - such as if a new technique that drastically lowers the compute required for training is discovered - then Nvidia and a whole host of startups will lose lot of value. A lot of the positions assumes LLMs will remain SotA in the foreseeable future, which is not a bet I'd take.

Even if that doesn't happen, there will be a lot of consolidation and bankruptcies when AI funding dries up when category winners become clear and investors cur their losses - the same happened suddenly when the dot-com bubble burst, and little more gently with "web 2.0" startups

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by pixl97 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:24PM (#40361686)
If the barrier to entry is lowered I don't see Nvidia losing a dime... Jevons paradox tells us that further massive amounts of training will occur in multi-modality and grounding models to reality. That would then kick off the race to true reasoning and AGI/ASI, and if achieved, all bets are off after that point.

If no training breakthrough occurs, then your second option is much more likely.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by sangnoir on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @11:44PM (#40362882)
> Jevons paradox tells us that further massive amounts of training will occur in multi-modality and grounding models to reality

I was thinking along the lines of how Sun Microsystems and big-iron were dethroned by good-enough commodity x86 servers + Linux. The two coexisted... for a short while.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by pixl97 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @10:59AM (#40367832)
All while x86 morphed to x64 and gained back many of the features of big iron.

Much of the problem with PC software at the time was one of scaling. Getting software to use multiple processors effectively took decades, but the cost difference and ability to actually get the hardware cheap allowed it to win the market... then grow back into systems with hundreds of cores and terabytes of memory because the needs for big iron didn't go away.

With AI/training/LLMs/NNs scale, at least appears, intrinsic. We see this in the animal world. We see insects with a very basic brain capable of interacting with the world and surviving. Then we see mammals with larger brains capable of far more as the scale/complexity/interconnectivity of their brains increases. At least from what we can tell, throwing more power at any given problem will give us a better solution.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by fallat on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:02PM (#40361540)
Yeah what. That guy above you is absolutely blind.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by weard_beard on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:18PM (#40361651)
AI is more like Apple and less like the internet. Your rabid fanaticism is what convinces me of its value… not it’s actual value.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by pixl97 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:24PM (#40361691)
"Intelligence isn't valuable" --Guy on HN.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by twodave on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:30PM (#40361722)
Not all AI is hype. We are just surrounded by so much AI hype it’s easy to forget things like Co-pilot didn’t exist just a couple years ago. To say there’s no value in having an assistant to write code at your direction is incorrect.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by weard_beard on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:23PM (#40362096)
The iPhone was legitimately revolutionary. I’m not disagreeing with you. I don’t see its value surviving commoditization.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by lannisterstark on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:51PM (#40361858)
>Your rabid fanaticism

Recognizing value isn't "Rabid fanaticism" lol.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by localfirst on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:48PM (#40361831)
Except 24 years ago you didn't need Cisco to write HTML. Your analogy is not correct and it tells me you didn't bother to read my edit.

I really shouldn't have to explain how this bubble ends.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by baobabKoodaa on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:01PM (#40361945)
Stock prices go up and down. A stock downswing very rarely has economical consequences for the company whose stock it is, and even more rarely does it have such consequences for other companies.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by TechDebtDevin on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:07PM (#40361570)
Enterprise customers are building their own internal tools, doesn't mean "AI" is dead. It just means useless API wrappers aren't the golden ticket.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by anonzzzies on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:31PM (#40361733)
A bit of a cooldown on api wrappers would be good. All these crappy startups which have no more value than just gpt4/opus are bizarre. Can’t believe any of them are doing real money.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jejeyyy77 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:04PM (#40361552)
doubt any correction for NVDA is coming any time soon. big tech is only just started ramping up on v1 model training..
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by peter_l_downs on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:33PM (#40361745)
First: Ilya in particular will be able to raise easily regardless of general market conditions because of his experience and track record.

Second:

> allow me to assist in your understanding of the bigger picture: large funds use VCs as money mules to increase Nvidia GPU sales through investments in AI startups and this is not sustainable.

You have to be trolling (or I'm misunderstanding?) if you're arguing that a large proportion of VC investments are at the direction of LPs who are long NVIDIA, for the sole purpose of furthering that long.

> if large funds are unloading their shares, if executives are cashing out their stock options, who is left to buy the bags?

Literally the buyers purchasing the shares that the large funds and executives are selling.

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Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by ricardobeat on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:02PM (#40361952)
This kind of wild speculation is not encouraged over here, and most people don't want garbage in the comments that they have to sift through, so "just ignore it" is not a valid defense. See the comment section of the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Literally the same people are left with the bag after each bubble

People who buy stocks based on hype, feed bull runs, and proceed to hold and try to time the market, "coincidentally" are usually left holding their bags. That in no way implies any kind of rigging beyond the basic dynamics of the stock market.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by threeseed on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:45PM (#40361446)
Most of the VCs have already spent their money in the last couple of years.

So he may have a blank check but not nearly enough to build an OpenAI competitor.

Would love to see him at IBM with full use of their quantum systems.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mbesto on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:59PM (#40361518)
> Most of the VCs have already spent their money in the last couple of years.

Lol no. There is about ~$500B in VC dollars, not to mention $1.2T in buyout dry powder still floating around. Not to mention venture funds raised continue to grow YoY.

https://www.bain.com/globalassets/noindex/2024/bain_report_g...

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by threeseed on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:22PM (#40361676)
I was referring more specifically to the AI segment.

Many of the VCS are over-exposed and still need to have funds to cover follow-on investments in the space. Not buying that there is the widespread appetite to fund a multi-billion new startup like there was a year or two ago.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by thomashop on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:11PM (#40362011)
Some sources are needed to back those claims up. Which VCs are you talking about?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by throwup238 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:54PM (#40361488)
> Would love to see him at IBM with full use of their quantum systems.

I’m picturing a Wild Wild West-style mad scientist, creating a steampunk army from old spare parts from Big Blue and rising up to challenge the cyber people.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tempsy on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:08PM (#40361579)
Well, no.

No VC who wants anything to do with OpenAI would invest in Ilya.

Ilya represents the anti-OpenAI ethos. So it would only be a VC who would be comfortable publicly being an anti-OpenAI VC, which is not that many.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by freedomben on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:26PM (#40361708)
> Ilya represents the anti-OpenAI ethos.

Can you elaborate more on this? What are some of the things the anti-OpenAI ethos stands for? And why do you think Ilya represents that given he was such a major part of OpenAI for so long?

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tempsy on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:30PM (#40361723)
Am I taking crazy pills or something? Because he was the one who tried to oust Sam like 6 months ago? Did we just all forget that or what?

Again, why would any VC give Ilya money if that in any way signals that they are supporting someone who tried to oust the CEO of OpenAI from within? They wouldn't.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by int_19h on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:20PM (#40362077)
Because he is one of the big brains behind GPT-4; you know, the thing that propelled OpenAI there?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tempsy on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @01:37PM (#40370000)
Tell me you don't understand optics and politics without telling me. There's a tiny handful of VCs who have the guts to fund someone who organized a coup against OpenAI.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by gandhirs on Friday May 17, 2024 @06:30PM (#40394745)
A "coup" against Putin would be a coup against Russia? Yes, you are taking crazy pills.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by hehdhdjehehegwv on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:29AM (#40363734)
VC wants to make money, and there’s a very high probability he can make somebody a lot of it.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by GreedIsGood on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:10PM (#40361591)
He showed exceptionally bad judgement, judgement is perhaps the most important characteristic of high level employees.

He's brilliant, which means someone will take a leap of faith, but he badly, badly damaged his brand as a leader going forward.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by ZoomerCretin on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:13PM (#40361616)
Bad judgement? Sam Altman is a prolific liar who attempted to oust a board member by spreading different lies to different people. He's not even an engineer! He has established a cult of personality and popularity, and that's it. They were absolutely right to try to oust him. The only mistake was in doing so in such a ham-fisted manner.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by scarmig on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:50PM (#40361848)
Starting something without a very good plan or being unable to execute on it is a sign of bad judgment.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by stale2002 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:26AM (#40363715)
> Bad judgement?

> Sam Altman is a prolific liar who attempted to oust a board member by spreading different lies to different people

Correct, it would be bad judgement. Because if he really believe in that statement, that Sam Altman is a hyper competent liar and manipulator, doing what Ilya did just led to Sam getting the keys to the kingdom.

This shows extraordinary incompetence from him and the rest of the board.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by kanwisher on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:34PM (#40362503)
All the executives are computer science majors …
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by surfingdino on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:59AM (#40363250)
Nope. His non-competes are likely very restrictive.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by bpiche on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:59AM (#40364244)
I just want to point out that you have noted this falsehood like five times in this thread already. Noncompetes have been unenforceable in California since 2008, and for over a month federally.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by astrange on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @04:44AM (#40364555)
Noncompetes have been illegal in CA for much longer than that. It is literally the reason Silicon Valley exists; Fairchild couldn't enforce theirs.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by zandrew on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @01:11AM (#40363302)
Non-competes were invalid in the state of California, and now are in the entirety of the U.S. [1]

[1] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/...

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by surfingdino on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @01:33AM (#40363409)
What about NDAs? Are those not enforceable too?