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Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by aqme28 on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:30AM (#40039712)
A society in which "the average car-buyer" has a tiny portable steel-melting laser is a society where I'm wearing welding goggles every time I leave the house. And I'm not sure how you even lock a bike or a door or a safe any more.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sarchertech on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:59AM (#40039987)
There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals.

The laser in the article took 30 seconds to cut a a tiny disc out of a sheet of steel 100 micrometers thick. That isn’t going to change things on the theft front. There are much more effective methods available today.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by BurningFrog on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:03AM (#40041507)
Once my bicycle was such a piece of crap that someone stole the lock and left the bike.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by knodi123 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:21PM (#40043250)
lol, sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield gag
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by eightnoneone on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:33AM (#40040346)
The quality of locks has always been measured in time.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Terr_ on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:22PM (#40043960)
When you get down to it, most security measures are ultimately based around creating enough delay that someone can respond with violence.

P.S.: Trying to think of the rare examples that don't qualify, and so far:

1. Direct violent response, e.g. booby-traps.

2. Denial by destroying whatever the attacker wanted, or delaying them enough that time renders it valueless.

3. Denial by making the effort unprofitable, even with no hard time limits.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by lucioperca on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:12AM (#40040121)
A dutch women told me once a story, where she but a used bike in Amsterdam and the heroin addict who sold it to her, threaten her to steal it again, if she does not use a heavy lock.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by passwordoops on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:15AM (#40040145)
When I moved to the Netherlands my boss told me to never spend more than 20 euro on a bike because it will get stolen. I didn't listen, and lo and behold two weeks in my 75 euro bike and the 35 euro heavy duty lock disappeared
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by notyoutube on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:56AM (#40040602)
I'm skeptical:

* Where do you buy a ≤20 euro bike?

* Most people on the street have bikes that look to be at least 200 euros new, from what I can tell.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by jandrese on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:11PM (#40042449)
Presumably from the bike thieves. There's a glut in the stolen bike market so the price competition is fierce.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by antisthenes on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:20PM (#40042552)
It seems like that that point the bike thieves are just a bike rental company.

You get the bike for < 20 Euro and then, presumably, at some point in the future it gets stolen again, but you already got 20 Euros worth of use out of it.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by CodeWriter23 on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#40042834)
"Discount Variable Duration" rental program.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by rafale on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:56PM (#40043008)
Efficient market hypothesis proven.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by yolo3000 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:11AM (#40040774)
I've never done it, but you buy it from the thief (junkie) directly. So it could be that you find them by word of mouth, like you would use to buy drugs when they were illegal. But you can also buy a second hand bike very cheaply, some are even free (just an example: https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/fietsen-en-brommers/fietsen-her...). New bikes are usually more than 200 euros, dutch brands are 500 euros and up
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ben_w on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:29AM (#40041874)
Last time I bought a bike for £20 even second-hand, the Euro had not yet been introduced.

Even in 2011, when I made the mistake of spending £90 for a new bike… well, the pedals came off while riding it due to metal fatigue.

Adjusting for inflation*, I'd expect similar build quality from a bike that "only" cost €200 today.

* hard to do when there is also a currency switch, especially when the exchange rate has changed so much

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by passwordoops on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:16AM (#40040830)
This was 2010-ish and I found one on Marktplaats. Might be going for 40 or 50 now with inflation. People selling them on the street also had for cheap, but these were most definitely stolen.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by henriquecm8 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:10AM (#40040757)
They didn't mention the year of the story, it could've happened a couple of decades ago.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by swader999 on Monday April 15, 2024 @06:10PM (#40046273)
Police unclaimed bike auctions maybe.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by themaninthedark on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:47AM (#40040515)
That is rather sad to hear.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Thorrez on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:35AM (#40040382)
Does the Netherlands have a law against knowingly buying stolen property?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by devoutsalsa on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:12AM (#40040782)
Every place in the world does probably. But how would you prove an unmarked, cheap bike was stolen?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Propelloni on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:20AM (#40041742)
You wouldn't but nowadays no bike is unmarked, even the cheap ones.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by 0cf8612b2e1e on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:27PM (#40042665)
Can’t you trivially deface an identifier?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by NicoJuicy on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:55PM (#40043000)
In Belgium, it's a hard to remove sticker on a consistent place with a qr code.

It would take work to remove it cleanly and/or cost money/time to paint over it.

So it's less attractive.

Ps. You'll still need to take care of your 10 k. Bike ofc.

Ps. 2 : engraving isn't done anymore since bike frames got smaller.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by lukan on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:34PM (#40042750)
How would you know a marked bike was stolen? Does the police offer a public listing of all the stolen bikes?

(I do not think so, but this probably would make sense)

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dghughes on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:39PM (#40042816)
If you can't and the owner can and if you are caught then you are liable.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Thorrez on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:51AM (#40049047)
If the seller threatens to "steal it again".
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Swizec on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:27AM (#40041836)
The Netherlands famously has more bicycle thefts per year than citizens. At this point you could almost think of cheap commuter bikes as public property.

People in countries where bicycling is not seen as a personality statement generally ride very cheap city bikes around town. Last time I bought one of those in college it cost about 30eur. Is not like in SF where people ride 3000 dollar bikes to work because omg you’re a cyclist now and this is your whole identity.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by steve_adams_86 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:55AM (#40042232)
Here in the part of Canada I live in, you see some of the $3000 bike identity stuff, but most people ride something in the $500–$750 range. Something practical, comfortable, reliable, etc.

There is also a growing segment of people who use $5,000–$15,000 cargo/kid carrier bikes as replacements for their cars, which is cool. But I do worry about theft of those increasing. Right now I rarely hear of it, but it seems likely to increase. Even the motors and batteries in them cost thousands alone.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by kwhitefoot on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:58AM (#40042275)
> think of cheap commuter bikes as public property.

Didn't Amsterdam try that with 'white bikes' in the 1970s?

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by stevesimmons on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:57PM (#40044326)
> The Netherlands famously has more bicycle thefts per year than citizens.

No, it definitely does not!

750k bike thefts for 17.7m people. So roughly one per 25 people...

It famously has more bicycles than people!

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by themaninthedark on Monday April 15, 2024 @03:57PM (#40044922)
Of course they have more bicycles than people, the bikes keep getting stolen!
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by XorNot on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:03PM (#40042347)
The battery powered angle grinder was the end of useful bike locks AFAIK.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by knodi123 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:27PM (#40043325)
Pfft. I had a medium-grade bike lock in college, and I once accidentally stole a bike because somebody with the same color/model/lock parked in front of the same building as me. My key was a bit stiff and I kind of had to force it, but it worked fine. I just remember thinking "why does this seat feel different?" Took me a couple of days to figure it out. I put it back- sure hope the original owner came and looked again after his initial disappointment that day.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by hathawsh on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:46PM (#40043548)
There are bike locks that do mostly defeat angle grinders. They are not cheap, of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVOTEOMRuE

https://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-Evolution-Integrated-Chain...

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by asddubs on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:58PM (#40043684)
I don't know why you would link a video instead of saying the sentence "chain locks are hard to cut with an angle grinder because the chains are hard to hold steady"
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by hathawsh on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:00PM (#40043717)
I forgot to add that clarification, thanks.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ethbr1 on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:02PM (#40043739)
Ref: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aBxyaFf379g&t=1m4s

Tl;dr if your lock doesn't double-lock (both sides) and have a cut-resistant core, it's only stopping people who can't afford a Ryobi angle grinder

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by knodi123 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:25PM (#40043291)
> There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals.

If you live at a lower end apartment complex, you might be shocked at how many doors your key will unlock, if you apply a light turning pressure and thrust the key in and out a few times.

I know I was. But it came in handy when one of my xmas gifts had been delivered to the front office, and I needed to pick it up after hours in order to make a redeye flight the next morning. I just used my own room key to open the office (setting off the alarm!), grabbed the package with my name on it, and closed and relocked the door and was gone before anyone investigated.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by asddubs on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:52PM (#40043619)
sounds like you basically just used your key as a bump key
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by knodi123 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:52PM (#40048198)
Yeah, that's exactly it- but the point is I was using an unmodified key.

I've tried this on higher-end tumblers and I could really feel that it wasn't going to work. It's just about the el-cheapo builder-grade locks (which comprise a shocking percentage of home and apartment locks).

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Terr_ on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:19PM (#40043917)
> There are already so many ways to defeat locks, that locks are just there to keep honest people honest and to slow down criminals.

Yeah, I'm currently waiting on parts to replace my door handle. As far as I can tell, the would-be thieves snapped off the handle to make an opening, and used that to cut/snap the rear part of the lock (which normally can't turn because of the lock cylinder) and then substituted in a screwdriver to convince the car that the lock had turned.

Thankfully--and puzzlingly--they were unprepared for the steering-wheel lock and only managed to mangle and bend it (probably with a small bolt-cutter) before they gave up or were spooked off.

'Course, after that they would have still been unable to start the car for other reasons, but it still saved me the cost of fixing a torn-up ignition.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dtgriscom on Monday April 15, 2024 @05:53PM (#40046109)
> 100 micrometers thick

1/10 of a millimeter. Thick foil (perhaps 4x generic Al foil).

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dtgriscom on Monday April 15, 2024 @05:56PM (#40046142)
I divide locking systems into three classes:

1. Can be opened without tools

2. Can be opened with generic tools (e.g. hammer, hacksaw)

3. Can be opened with specialized tools (e.g. lock picks, liquid nitrogen)

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sschueller on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:34AM (#40041088)
Because of this Switzerland has outlawed portable laser pointers higher than the lowest class.

Anything more powerful than a low end projector pointer is now classified as a weapon and regulated as such.

This at least keeps these units out of the hands of the general public and those that can't use them responsibly.

It sucks for those of us who used them responsibly just like we did with RC aircraft before drones became an item on a discount shelve. However at least I know that if I go to a large event or even a demo I won't be permanently blinded by some idiot.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by kwhitefoot on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:07PM (#40042392)
Same in Norway, in 2015. Anything above 1mW is forbidden in practice although the law leaves the actual limit and exceptions to the regulating authority.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Domenic_S on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:42PM (#40042857)
What keeps someone from driving across the border to acquire one, or ordering on ebay, or getting one at a sketchy shop? "Some idiot" is exactly the kind of person that would ignore the law.

I mean it seems like a fine law, but it's a law so now I never have to think about it again seems strange to me. Running stop signs is outlawed but I still look before I cross the street.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sschueller on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:03PM (#40043073)
It doesn't stop anyone. But packages are randomly checked and so are cars going over the border.

Same goes for guns. Someone can aquire one illegally but fines are high and there is no impulsive purchase at the next Kiosk so circulation is low and you aren't going to get "lasered" by 20+ green lasers at some event.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by analog31 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:23AM (#40040906)
My bike is protected by Anti-Theft Aesthetics (tm).
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by knodi123 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:28PM (#40043335)
ha, we used to call that the "P.O.S. theft deterrent system"
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by rbanffy on Monday April 15, 2024 @03:59PM (#40044938)
An Apple-specific magazine in Brazil made a contest to come up with stickers for the back of the first iPhones. My entry was also an anti-theft device, with the image of a Microsoft Zune.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by LeifCarrotson on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:41AM (#40040451)
"The average car-buyer or metalworker" can already afford a $30 cordless angle grinder:

https://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/grinders/angle-gri...

(Cost plus a $30-$80 battery, of course, but after you pick your color, you've already got batteries). Your locks are far more protected by the social contract that would compel a stranger to stop someone who was cutting a bike lock with an angle grinder, and would cause a thief to fear arrest, prosecution, and jail time, than by actual physical security.

If you want a laser, you can already get a 100W CO2 laser tube for $500:

https://www.amazon.com/Cloudray-W2-Dia-80mm-Engraver/dp/B08G...

It won't do a great job of cutting steel - it will engrave it, but to cut steel you'd need O2 assist gas and a lot more power. It will trivially cut ABS, foam, fabric, wood veneer/thin plywood, cardstock, etc. if attached to a pair of mirrors on an XY stage such as might be borrowed/scaled up from a 3D printer. And, of course, it will trivially scar corneas with the invisible danger of its 10,600 nm laser light. Good news, though - ordinary polycarbonate safety glasses are opaque to the extreme IR light.

Laser safety is serious business, but highly-collimated, tightly-focused laser light is not likely to be produced by a cheap, portable laser. The above tube produces a 100W beam with a diameter of about 8mm. I wouldn't put my eyeball in the path, but a safety shutter can sit in the beam indefinitely and merely get warm. You melt steel by focusing a this 8mm beam down to a infinitesimally tiny spot, and beyond the focal length of your optics it diffuses to something no more dangerous than the source 8mm beam, and beyond that it's no more dangerous than an average lightbulb - albeit one that you have no aversion response/blink reflex to. I always wear my goggles near our cutting lasers, but I know lots of guys who have worked around 20W-20,000W CO2 lasers their entire lives and they're pretty cavalier with regards to laser safety.

Finally, a welding mask is a neutral-density filter, suitable for the (very approximately) black-body radiation produced by a welder, and is much less effective than laser safety goggles at blocking high-intensity light of a very specific color. Depending on the sensor, an auto-darkening mask might not even trigger when exposed to a laser! You'd want a set of 940nm laser safety goggles for this, which is far more exotic and dangerous than a 10um CO2 laser.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by stavros on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:15AM (#40040818)
A question I've always had: How do I know if my glasses protect against a particular laser? I'm talking about the ones in hobby CNC machines, laser hair removal places, etc, not high-powered industrial ones, where there's likely a high degree of know-how on safety already?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by mecsred on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:43AM (#40041213)
Best bet is to buy two pairs and stick one in the path of the beam with a sensor or target behind it. Otherwise you're looking up charts for the materials spectral absorption in your lasers emission band
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by stavros on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:59AM (#40041441)
But even if the target isn't cut, that doesn't mean I won't get eye damage, does it? Or do glasses protect even if they're only a bit opaque to the target wavelength?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by mecsred on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:15AM (#40041683)
First of all, I take no responsibility for your safety, I'm just some person on a forum.

That being said, it's all a function of how much light enters your eye. You can look up the exposure limits of the human retina for different frequencies of light to get an idea how little is actually required to damage your eye. The target or sensor should be sensitive enough to react to that much incident light. Just putting something behind the glasses and have it not get cut is definitely not enough to indicate no eye damage.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by vonzepp on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:06PM (#40044995)
Proper laser goggles come with ratings. Dependent on the laser wavelength, beamsize, energy/power and pulse duration. Most goggle suppliers will tell you what you need if you supply the laser specs.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by c22 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:11AM (#40040778)
Don't cut vinyl with your laser, it will produce chlorine gas which will not be good for you to breathe and will corrode your equipment. Use a dragknife cutter instead.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by LeifCarrotson on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:16AM (#40040829)
It does work, and I've got great filtration and ventilation, but yeah, probably not a good idea. Edited. Same caution is true of PVC, which is a shame because it's really convenient for making the aforementioned ventilation systems!
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by gpderetta on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:58AM (#40042279)
"Use goggles to protect remaining eye"
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by WillAdams on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:31PM (#40042715)
A long while ago, I was told that the flight deck crew on Air Force One would wear eyepatches during nuclear drills, so that if (hopefully temporarily) blinded by an airborne nuke, would be able to continue flying after switching the eyepatch to the other eye.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by BlueTemplar on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:02PM (#40055187)
"Yarr Force One, reporting."
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sorokod on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:47AM (#40041272)
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by llm_trw on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:10AM (#40040088)
Everyone can already afford a stick welder. We don't need goggles when we leave the house.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by aqme28 on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:20AM (#40040206)
Those can’t blind you from a distance though. Not nearly the same risk
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by llm_trw on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:37AM (#40040407)
They absolutely can. Anyone around them for long enough has dead spots in their eyes.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by GuB-42 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:58AM (#40041423)
Not at all the same risk profile. Arc welding is just a really bright UV light, and without appropriate protection, it will cause what is essentially a sunburn on the surface of the eye. It is painful, but it usually heals in a couple of days. It shouldn't significantly damage the retina.

Laser light is different: a laser is effectively a point light source, and it will focus inside the eye to a single point with enough brightness to cause a burn. It can cause a permanent blind spot, and damage may happen faster and be less noticeable at first.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by aqme28 on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:51AM (#40040553)
I mean like a bystander walking by a construction site who just happens to catch a bad reflection for a fraction of a second
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dghughes on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#40042831)
The headlights of 2024 Ford F150 can blind me from a distance.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by jfoutz on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:49PM (#40042929)
yes, but not permanently. You can certainly get dazzled by bright headlights, I can anyway.

but laser light, like staring into the sun, will destroy the delicate structure of your retina, and it doesn't grow back.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by rhelz on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:40AM (#40042038)
I hate to tell you this, but you can already buy infrared lasers off of eBay which have completely invisible beams which can blind yo.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by pants2 on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:23PM (#40042598)
This is something that makes me nervous any time I see YouTube videos about these sorts of lasers. They can blind someone nearly instantly, silently, and invisibly from a quarter mile away. That's terrifying.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by RecycledEle on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:01AM (#40040009)
The same can be said of BB guns that can put out eyes, lock picks that can open locked doors, and bolt cutters than can break chains.

More powerful tools are a good thing.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by fsckboy on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:58AM (#40042278)
>The same can be said of BB guns that can put out eyes

I know! these are the same people who took mostly harmless Jarts off the market!

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/31176/how-one-dad-got-la...

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sungho_ on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:09AM (#40041579)
What about nuclear weapons, which have become so accessible that even small organizations can have them?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ben_w on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:40AM (#40042035)
When small organisations get nuclear explosives, the only two safe options are:

1. Spending your life in a nuclear bunker and only interacting via the internet — including pure VR and/or remote controlled robot bodies.

2. Let your government poke around everywhere to make sure nobody is making (or importing) their own nukes, regardless of what anyone says about the 2nd amendment.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by BlueTemplar on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:06PM (#40055245)
What makes you think so ?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by aqme28 on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:12AM (#40040125)
A BB gun has to be used very intentionally to hurt your eyes. A high-powered laser could blind you because your neighbor is doing some work on his shed and you caught a reflection
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by bingbingbing777 on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:37AM (#40040410)
Have you not heard of stray bullets, crossfire etc?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ben_w on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:47AM (#40042116)
BB gun — that's as in "ball bearing" — also known as "airsoft".

In this example, crossfire would require someone to walk into an airsoft combat area without any eye protection and for someone in that game to not realise and shoot them anyway. In the face.

Stray BB bullets don't go very far. They're not rifled, and they have fairly low muzzle energy compared to real weapons — I've shot myself with one at zero range, and even on bare skin it stings rather than penetrates.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by marky1991 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:59PM (#40043696)
A bb gun and an airsoft gun are very different things to me. A bb gun shoots metal balls and airsoft shoots plastic. I would not want to be hit by a bb gun, but an airsoft gun is no big deal (though the snipers can definitely hurt).
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by jjk166 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:33AM (#40041068)
Diffuse reflection is only dangerous up to a few feet away. You're neighbor would have to be deliberately aiming the beam at your eye to blind you assuming you're not in the shed with them.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by big_man_ting on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:44AM (#40039856)
This is a terrifying prospect indeed, especially being located in the Netherlands, plenty bikes are getting stolen left and right already.

But I guess this is inevitable, so we'll just have to devise better solutions than the simple locks which in their working principles have not changed in the past 100+ years.

Great market opportunity around the corner I suppose.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by boxed on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:54AM (#40039947)
Plenty of locks are mostly just for show anyway. See Lockpicking Lawyers youtube channel.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dnpls on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:04AM (#40040036)
Yes, but the average bike thief is looking for an easy steal and will avoid wasting time on a locked bike. Bikes in the Netherlands usually have 2 locks (a wheel lock and an extra chain), so thieves will usually move on from those first. A portable laser might allow a thief to steal even previously safer bikes just because it makes it quicker and silent (I'm assuming both).
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by somerandomqaguy on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:37AM (#40041127)
Probably not. Heating steel doesn't cut it, it just forms a puddle of molten metal that will cling to the base material. For cutting to work, you need to blow it off somehow.

For plasma and oxy-fuel cutting, the hot gases coming out the nozzle acts as the mass that blows it off. Air carbon arc gouging uses regular compressed air to push the molten material away. I imagine industrial laser cuttings dealing with anything larger then a few millimetres thick would use compressed air as well.

I doubt a smaller more efficient laser is going to change that reality.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by sarchertech on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:31AM (#40040310)
It won’t be quicker. The laser in the demonstration was cutting through 100 micrometers of steel.

Cutting through a chain is going to take much much longer. There are already quicker methods to cut or break bike chains and disable locks.

Also cutting with a laser requires very precise alignment with respect to distance. You won’t be free handing this. You’d need to mount it on a device capable of precisely adjusting the distance as you cut deeper into the metal.

Plus it’s relatively easy to engineer laser resistant materials.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by adolph on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:20AM (#40040189)
It is an interesting problem since the existence of one cutter forces on offense forces all defenders to make substantial changes. I suspect the most expedient way will be to semi-criminalize carry of the devices, similar to spray paint in some places.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ordu on Monday April 15, 2024 @06:18PM (#40046333)
> A society in which "the average car-buyer" has a tiny portable steel-melting laser is a society where I'm wearing welding goggles every time I leave the house.

VR-headset will be better, because it can attune brightness and contrast so you can see even at dusk.