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Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by lucioperca on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:12AM (#40040121)
A dutch women told me once a story, where she but a used bike in Amsterdam and the heroin addict who sold it to her, threaten her to steal it again, if she does not use a heavy lock.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by passwordoops on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:15AM (#40040145)
When I moved to the Netherlands my boss told me to never spend more than 20 euro on a bike because it will get stolen. I didn't listen, and lo and behold two weeks in my 75 euro bike and the 35 euro heavy duty lock disappeared
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by notyoutube on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:56AM (#40040602)
I'm skeptical:

* Where do you buy a ≤20 euro bike?

* Most people on the street have bikes that look to be at least 200 euros new, from what I can tell.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by jandrese on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:11PM (#40042449)
Presumably from the bike thieves. There's a glut in the stolen bike market so the price competition is fierce.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by antisthenes on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:20PM (#40042552)
It seems like that that point the bike thieves are just a bike rental company.

You get the bike for < 20 Euro and then, presumably, at some point in the future it gets stolen again, but you already got 20 Euros worth of use out of it.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by CodeWriter23 on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#40042834)
"Discount Variable Duration" rental program.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by rafale on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:56PM (#40043008)
Efficient market hypothesis proven.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by yolo3000 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:11AM (#40040774)
I've never done it, but you buy it from the thief (junkie) directly. So it could be that you find them by word of mouth, like you would use to buy drugs when they were illegal. But you can also buy a second hand bike very cheaply, some are even free (just an example: https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/fietsen-en-brommers/fietsen-her...). New bikes are usually more than 200 euros, dutch brands are 500 euros and up
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by ben_w on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:29AM (#40041874)
Last time I bought a bike for £20 even second-hand, the Euro had not yet been introduced.

Even in 2011, when I made the mistake of spending £90 for a new bike… well, the pedals came off while riding it due to metal fatigue.

Adjusting for inflation*, I'd expect similar build quality from a bike that "only" cost €200 today.

* hard to do when there is also a currency switch, especially when the exchange rate has changed so much

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by passwordoops on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:16AM (#40040830)
This was 2010-ish and I found one on Marktplaats. Might be going for 40 or 50 now with inflation. People selling them on the street also had for cheap, but these were most definitely stolen.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by henriquecm8 on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:10AM (#40040757)
They didn't mention the year of the story, it could've happened a couple of decades ago.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by swader999 on Monday April 15, 2024 @06:10PM (#40046273)
Police unclaimed bike auctions maybe.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by themaninthedark on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:47AM (#40040515)
That is rather sad to hear.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Thorrez on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:35AM (#40040382)
Does the Netherlands have a law against knowingly buying stolen property?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by devoutsalsa on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:12AM (#40040782)
Every place in the world does probably. But how would you prove an unmarked, cheap bike was stolen?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Propelloni on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:20AM (#40041742)
You wouldn't but nowadays no bike is unmarked, even the cheap ones.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by 0cf8612b2e1e on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:27PM (#40042665)
Can’t you trivially deface an identifier?
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by NicoJuicy on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:55PM (#40043000)
In Belgium, it's a hard to remove sticker on a consistent place with a qr code.

It would take work to remove it cleanly and/or cost money/time to paint over it.

So it's less attractive.

Ps. You'll still need to take care of your 10 k. Bike ofc.

Ps. 2 : engraving isn't done anymore since bike frames got smaller.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by lukan on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:34PM (#40042750)
How would you know a marked bike was stolen? Does the police offer a public listing of all the stolen bikes?

(I do not think so, but this probably would make sense)

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by dghughes on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:39PM (#40042816)
If you can't and the owner can and if you are caught then you are liable.
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Thorrez on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:51AM (#40049047)
If the seller threatens to "steal it again".
Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by Swizec on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:27AM (#40041836)
The Netherlands famously has more bicycle thefts per year than citizens. At this point you could almost think of cheap commuter bikes as public property.

People in countries where bicycling is not seen as a personality statement generally ride very cheap city bikes around town. Last time I bought one of those in college it cost about 30eur. Is not like in SF where people ride 3000 dollar bikes to work because omg you’re a cyclist now and this is your whole identity.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by steve_adams_86 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:55AM (#40042232)
Here in the part of Canada I live in, you see some of the $3000 bike identity stuff, but most people ride something in the $500–$750 range. Something practical, comfortable, reliable, etc.

There is also a growing segment of people who use $5,000–$15,000 cargo/kid carrier bikes as replacements for their cars, which is cool. But I do worry about theft of those increasing. Right now I rarely hear of it, but it seems likely to increase. Even the motors and batteries in them cost thousands alone.

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by kwhitefoot on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:58AM (#40042275)
> think of cheap commuter bikes as public property.

Didn't Amsterdam try that with 'white bikes' in the 1970s?

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by stevesimmons on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:57PM (#40044326)
> The Netherlands famously has more bicycle thefts per year than citizens.

No, it definitely does not!

750k bike thefts for 17.7m people. So roughly one per 25 people...

It famously has more bicycles than people!

Re:The Tiny Ultrabright Laser That Can Melt Steel by themaninthedark on Monday April 15, 2024 @03:57PM (#40044922)
Of course they have more bicycles than people, the bikes keep getting stolen!