Interestingly the non-Pro pixels have been trending in the right direction for size.

The Pixel 6 is 6.4"

The Pixel 7 is 6.3"

The Pixel 8 is 6.2"

If the trend continues we only have to wait 3 more years for a < 6" phone

I remember when such phones were in a different size category named "phablets".

They had huge bezels. I feel like current phones with huge displays are at most as big as then-phablets or even smaller.

The original galaxy note was 147 x 83 x 9.7: slightly wider and thicker than the pixel 8, but not quite as tall. Overall very similar in size, but with a 5.3" screen rather than 6.2".

Our thumbs haven't grown in the past decade and they now are expected to stretch longer distances. I can't even reach the opposite top corner with my thumb on my iPhone 13 mini

Stop me if you're head this one before but I'm going to tune you into a neat trick.

Use your other hand.

Yeah, no shit. I don't think that there's anyone who can't figure that out. The problem isn't "I can't figure out how to use my phone", it's that always having to use the phone with two hands is annoying as hell. Phones shine when you can use them one handed. They suck when you have to regularly use them two handed because they are so big.

I think a lot of phone UI stuff biases for the lower half of the screen already. UI elements for picking most frequently used apps are at the bottom, controls for ending calls etc are at the bottom, keyboards are at the botton, swiping up to change apps.

Sure, but many phones are so wide that I can't reach elements at the bottom of the screen (but on the side opposite my thumb). I'm willing to not fuss about stuff all the way in the top-left corner, but I almost always have to hold my phone with two hands to use it.

The aspect ratio makes a huge difference. Back then phones were still mostly 16:9. My Nexus 6 still feels massive compared to modern phones.

Because it is still massive. The 6" Nexus 6 is 3.3in wide whereas the 6.7" Pixel 8 Pro is only 3" wide. Even omitting the bezels, the Nexus 6 has a screen width of 2.94" vs. the 8 Pro's 2.75"

It's the biggest one in lineup so that's big. Don't blame for existence of biggest lineup.

You've highlighted exactly what the comment you were replying to was talking about, the aspect ratio is much different. The Pixel 8 Pro has a 6.7" screen vs the 6" on nexus 6, despite being 10% narrower.

And also bezel.

They are close to being back to original size of the pixel 3 which in my opinion was the perfect size.

Pixel 8 - 150.5 x 70.8 x 8.9 mm

Pixel 6 - 158.6 x 74.8 x 8.9 mm

Pixel 3 - 145.6 x 68.2 x 7.9 mm

It's also very close to the size the smaller (non-plus etc) Samsung flagship phones have head for years:

S10: 149.9 x 70.4 x 7.8 mm

S20: 151.7 x 69.1 x 7.9 mm

S21: 151.7 x 71.2 x 7.9 mm

S22: 146 x 70.6 x 7.6 mm

yes, i'm still clinging to my pixel 3, which is indeed perfect

I've gotten the 4a and 7 since owning my 3. They keep getting worse (bigger).

I switched from Pixel 6 to Pixel 7a because the 7a size is _perfect_

I was going to complain about the screen size but my Pixel 5 has a 6.0 screen and I might actually finally upgrade to the Pixel 8. The pixel 8 is still half a cm wider than the pixel 5 but they appear to be the same height and nearly the same thickness.

I had a Pixel 6 briefly, at launch, but returned it almost immediately in exchange for a 6.0" screen Pixel 5 because the 6 was ludicrously too large for daily use on the go and uncomfortable in my pants pocket. Hopefully they keep shrinking the non-pro models and we settle on 6" as an ok size.

Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available.

I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and is smaller.

Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation.

From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS.

You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

Can you elaborate?

Looks like they're referring to:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared

OK, so the guy had a breakdown and tripped out on everyone around. Doesn't make his project bad.

GrapheneOS has been the target of ongoing personal attacks against the former lead dev. None of the claims are true. GOS devs have been swatted and harassed on multiple occasions.

I suggest you examine the baseless claims against the (former) lead dev more closely - they are fabrication.

(He has been harassed so much, with death threats and the like, that he has recently stepped down as lead dev).

I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect.

Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5].

Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time.

It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources.

After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg

3: https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a...

4: https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode....

5: https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforpr...

Think about all the products you purchase. Do you really think that in each case, the CEO of the company behind that product has a "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? [I really doubt it.] But here we are concerned about personality quirks of a guy developing a valuable free product.

> "pattern of behaviour" we approve of?

I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion.

But lets take what you said in good faith.

I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting (as he has done in the past) them would cause significant damage.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I think you are engaing in word throwing :)

So what if he has the signing keys? You can always build Graphene yourself

I could also make my own operating system.

If I had the time, knowledge and money. Which I don't.

So, I rely and support others that do to ensure I have a functioning and constantly running system without much maintenance work, except donating one a year.

I'm willing to believe Daniel is a bit of an asshole, totally.

But I am thoroughly on his side when it comes to the CalyxOS and Techlore drama. However I wasn't aware of any of the Louis Rossman stuff

> But I am thoroughly on his side when it comes to the CalyxOS and Techlore drama.

Sure, that could be argued either way. To be honest, it's too complicated for me to really care about. I think GrapheneOS is a solid project, currently.

My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes.

My worry with GrapheneOS is that the same thing to Copperhead might happen to it. I don't know or care who was right/wrong in that situation. But the end result was that Daniel deleted the signing keys, so I am worried that if Daniel is pressured form either real or imaginary attacks, he might do the same to GrapheneOS.

I want the project to go on for as long as possible, and part of that requires honest reflection.

> My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes.

I think this is very fair, and very unfortunate as well.

The issue with Copperhead was that they wanted to make it proprietary against Daniel's will (an oversimplification). I'm on Daniel's side on this issue.

The way they're currently in the process of setting up a "GrapheneOS Foundation" to ensure it stays open and not-for-profit _should_ ensure this never happens again. But the issue they are having is that a public figurehead is likely to get harassed and Doxed by malicious parties like what's happened to Daniel - but a real name is required to be on paper legally (also an oversimplification).

> I want the project to go on for as long as possible, and part of that requires honest reflection.

I agree. And I think this is very hard to discuss in official graphene circles with official graphene members+devs because they always always always shy away from discussing meta-issues and comment threads, forum threads, etc are removed once conversations go too far into it. I see both sides - they want to focus on development and the project itself - but also, these discussions need to be had.

Didn't he step down? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104

The GrapheneOS project, and by extension the developers, have principles around code that I agree with.

I've followed, from a safe distance, the CopperheadOS saga, et al the other dramas and bullshit over the years.

The product is still good and I will continue to use and evaluate my usage of it. Until the product materially changes, I will stick with it.

Are those numbers normalized against inflation?

Those numbers are inflation.

Agreed, I moved away from Pixels because of size... I'm hoping for a Pixel Mini someday

I moved away from Android entirely because of size. Currently on an iPhone 13 Mini, which is riiight at the very upper edge of a reasonable size. I would love to go back to Android if only someone reputable would make a reasonably-sized phone.

This was the exact reason. I never even considered iPhone. I thought it’s ridiculous to pay that crazy price. Then one day I saw the first SE and it was at a decent price on deal. Fell in love with tue size. But now that size of phone is nowhere to be found essentially. I finally bought 14 few months ago and next time I have to change I’ll move back to some cheap Android phone. Screw tracking. If at this crazy price I have to buy a locked down brick I’d rather replace that with something much cheaper.

Asus Zenphone 10 is a bit bigger than the 13 mini, but is reasonably small and otherwise well regarded

Despite it having a reputation for being a small phone, the Zenfone 10 is essentially the same size as the Galaxy S23 and iPhone 15 - in other words, "normal" size and quite a bit larger than the iPhone minis.

It's a lot smaller than the Pixel though, which is what this thread is about.

I can't go any bigger than the 13 Mini. It's right on the edge of too big. I'd prefer smaller.

They didn’t release that and 9 in many geographies.

My SO is holding on to a first-gen iPhone SE for the exact same reason - I don't know what kind of hands manufacturers expect people to have, but at this point I'm all but certain that modern flagships are too large for most of the population.

If only 13 Mini battery wasn’t shit. I don’t need the 1000 mega pixel camera or M20 Apple cheap. Just give me a good battery and a non-crazy sized phone and I am good. And yeah take my money.

I have a 13 Mini. The battery is typically at 30-50% in the evening. Generally never have to worry about the charge during the day. Perhaps it's time to replace the battery if it's at 80% of health or below?

If I travel and have to use GPS most of the day / take hundreds of photos, I carry a small 5000 mAh battery to charge up on the go. I think it's a reasonable accommodation for a phone that's perfectly fine day-to-day.

No no. I had 12 Mini and from day 1 it was a pain. And when I was switching I was told by many who had used both the minis that the battery life is essentially the same. Not much difference. And no I don’t want to consider s power bank as an option for my general usage.

Besides I was tired of buying “old” phone. While 14 battery life is good, nothing compared to the Android word though, it’s a brick. Unlike everybody told me I am still not used to it after 4-5 months. Still hate it when I look at it or hold in my hands or is in my pockets. The problem is that in Android there’s literally no phone smaller than 14 now.

So next is not going to be an iPhone for sure unless a smaller and lighter iPhone comes up.

loved the size of the mini but the battery life was awful after a year or so of deg.

Is the regular Samsung model too big for you? S22 and S23. It's just the right size for me and I prefer small phones (or what used to be normal sized phones).

Wayyy too big: https://phonesized.com/compare/#2176,1863

Wow that really puts it into perspective. I had no idea Apple was making such a small phone so recently. What a shame it is discontinued.

Yeah, it really sucks!! I'm hoping they bring it back in some upcoming gen, maybe a "once every couple years" kind of model. (Or even better, someone on the Android side picks up the ball.)

Ditto! Help manufacturers see the demand for small Android phones by joining: https://smallandroidphone.com/

I'd heard rumors about a Pixel Mini in 2023. Was holding out hope for a surprise drop at the Pixel event today, but with how leaky Google hardware development is, I should have known better.

For context:

Pixel 5 has a 19.5:9 aspect ratio and 85.9% screen-to-body ratio Pixel 8 Pro has a 20:9 ratio and 87.4% screen-to-body ratio

So the difference is ever so slightly less impactful than it sounds, but it's still a much bigger phone.

I am also in the Pixel 5 group and have been struggling to find a replacement as our phone nears its end of security updates. Does anyone have any suggestions for a potential replacement? There seem to be few phones in this size and weight class.

Iphone 13 mini))) Or galaxy s23 should be abt the same as p5

When do the security releases stop? I was assuming for another year as I am currently downloading Android 14.

I was going to wait for Pixel 9 (currently also on Pixel 5).

This month. Android 14 is one of the last updates it will get IIRC.

I've had all Pixel phones up to and including the 6 Pro, finally gave up due to various issues and am super happy with 13 mini + watch ultra combo. I don't depend on my phone that much anymore and mini model size is perfect for pockets and one-hand use, the build quality and CPU/speed is amazing, battery life is decent too, screen on time it's not impressive but really efficient just streaming BT audiobooks all night. Miss 120Hz screen and zoom camera so I'm going with a Pro phone next, but not yet.

I was in the same boat and opted to use this moment to make the switch to an iPhone 15P. It's an interesting transition, haven't fully bought in yet.

If I stayed on Android I would probably be looking at an Asus Zenfone 10. Similar form factor and battery life to Pixel 5. Pretty good reviews. Check it out as an option.

It's 1100€ in the Austrian Google Store.

Same here in Italy. Crazy price, almost 350€ more than the Pixel 6 Pro. I really wanted to upgrade, but no Pixel at this Price. I'll wait for a sure street price in less than 6 months

Pixel 5 was 782€, euro-adjusted inflation, so it's a question of whether it's 12% more phone.

Edit: is that price for pixel 8 pro? A Google search is saying regular pixel 8 is 799€, so basically the same price for the base model.

do they offer the watch as a free rider where you are?

Because ... that's worth 12% and then some.

Maybe I have abnormally large hands & pockets but the Pixel 6 Pro w/case size is really good. I am always annoyed when I have to use someone's phone and their tiny screen.

You're not abnormal. I can one hand a pixel 6 pro. People who are small can sometimes be as less aware of their space as big people are of theirs.

> Do you really get 40% more phone?

No, but euros are worth ~30% less.

Fun fact: Google did a Nexus 7 tablet with a 7" display.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2012)