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Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jnovek on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:17AM (#37406406)
Physical activity is undeniably important to managing mood and chronic pain for me.

Something that isn't discussed whenever this topic comes up, though, is how unbelievably hard it is to get started when you aren't active. I had to force myself to go to the gym, take walks etc for six months before I felt like I actually enjoyed those things.

For those of us who default to couch-potato it's a massive barrier that is often ignored (at least, from my experience, by medical professionals).

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by delusional on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:27AM (#37406546)
The gym never worked for me. Like you I just can't get myself to go someplace to exercise, it seems like an insurmountable job. What really helped me 13 years ago was doing something I could do easily. I want to stress that exercise doesn't have to be a fixed gym routine. It doesn't have to be a planned out walk where you time and benchmark your progress. It can just be a stroll around your neighborhood, I like walking around and mapping with StreetComplete. Sometimes I'll even bring my laptop and do some micromapping with josm.

Personally I find that I get way too competitive if I track my workouts. I bike for an hour around 3-4 times per week. I don't know which days I do it, I don't know how fast I go. I just go and ride wherever i feel like, take whatever turns I feel like. Usually my rides end up about an hour long before I get bored, but sometimes (especially in the summer months) they turn into 4 hours.

You'll find that your body changes drastically. Most people (me included) has this idea that the body will adapt relatively quickly. Maybe a couple of months. I've found that my body kept getting stronger and more efficient well into the 5th year of doing exercise. You'll be surprised at how much your body can actually do, and how much of that training carried over, even when you let it slip for a couple of weeks (or break your ankle and have to pause for 2 months).

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by KptMarchewa on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:40AM (#37406728)
>StreetComplete

Wow, thanks for this! I'll definitely use it.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by js2 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:55AM (#37406957)
Fantastic looking Android app. Note to sad iPhone users like me. If we want an iOS version, one of us programmer types need to roll up their sleeves and write it:

https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/1892

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by yoasif_ on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:05PM (#37407089)
FWIW, https://mapcomplete.org exists - I haven't used it much, but iOS users should try it out.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by hamhock666 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:35PM (#37407517)
“Go Map!!” on iOS is a great alternative, allows for full editing.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by yoasif_ on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:03PM (#37407075)
Another StreetComplete user here. Great app, open source, more people should be on it, especially if they are active and going to new places often.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by lambda on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:27AM (#37406549)
I have been couch-potatoing more than I should recently, so when I had some time off but was alone at home, I decided to use that time to try and get back in the habit of getting regular exercise.

I must have pushed myself a bit too hard, because I ended up with flu-like symptoms for a week afterwards, which completely broke the intent of getting started on forming the habit again.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jeffjobs4000 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:07PM (#37407129)
Sorry you went through this. If you want to make another attempt, I've found that the older I get, the slower ramp up time I need getting back into exercise. Do far less than you're body is able to during the workout when you start. To the point where it feels like you're not stressing yourself at all. Then make a plan to slowly ramp up from that point over 6-10 weeks depending on the shape you're in and age. After that, you can start pushing your body closer to it's limits during any given workout. Also, it will just suck the first 3-4 weeks before you start enjoying it.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by Almondsetat on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:30AM (#37406591)
It is discussed, and that's why anti-depressants exist: to give a kickstart to your lifestyle and then let it take it from there
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by giraffe_lady on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:24AM (#37406500)
I think really very few people truly enjoy exercise for its own sake, and so you depend on having the discipline and habits to enjoy it for its benefits which is harder.

Or you can find an activity that you enjoy but that is also exercise. But then you need someone or maybe a team to do it with and a lot of them are seasonal like cycling, tennis etc.

I've noticed that both indoor rock climbing and bjj have gotten really popular in cities in the last decade and I think this is basically why. Active indoor activities that are enjoyable for a lot of people.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by hinkley on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:30AM (#37406585)
I have activities I enjoy that are themselves exercise to one degree or another, but they’re more enjoyable if I also exercise.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by scheveningen on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:53AM (#37406924)
sorry to be an evangelist, but coming out of lurking to say that cycling is no longer seasonal, thanks to indoor/online platforms such as Zwift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMGbZFEZOM8

you can ride with a club/friends at any time of day, any season of the year, anywhere in the world.

still not a perfect solution, since startup costs are required, but if you've got a bike and can swing a smart trainer, it's pretty awesome.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by giraffe_lady on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:58AM (#37407011)
I guess. Pedaling is my least favorite part of cycling but maybe I'm an outlier.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by westcoast49 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:53AM (#37406926)
I enjoy running, even when I do it alone. I run at a moderate pace, and it's more like a meditation and a timeout than anything else. I've heard a lot of runners saying the same. I don't think solitary exercise needs to be a chore.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by testfoobar on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:55AM (#37406963)
> I think really very few people truly enjoy exercise for its own sake

This is objectively not true for me and nearly all of my friends who lift/run/swim/bike/etc.

Physical activity feels good [see OP].

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by matwood on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:20PM (#37407325)
Same, but we are likely in bubbles. I love exercise, and many people I know are the same. But, I know a large number of people from the gym and things like BJJ.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by joncrocks on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:08PM (#37407148)
Some of exercise is type 2 fun - https://sketchplanations.com/the-fun-scale

And/or you feel better having done it.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by giraffe_lady on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:43PM (#37407617)
Yeah I think that is a self-selecting group a little bit.

My cyclist friends love exercise for its own sake. My judo friends mostly accept it for what it enables them to do. My board game friends tolerate it, at most.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by munificent on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:00PM (#37407027)
I think the things that people self describe as "exercise" are rarely joyful. The name itself implies that the intent is the result and not the act itself.

But if you ask people if they like walking around a cute downtown full of little shops, or surfing, or exploring a valley looking for wildflowers, or going to a nightclub and dancing, gardening, etc., then you'll discover a world of activities that are physical and also enjoyable.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by tstrimple on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:03PM (#37407066)
> "I think really very few people truly enjoy exercise for its own sake"

I don't know how true this is. When folks talk about things like a "runners high", an activity that even at my most fit was abject misery, I have to wonder just how differently we're experiencing these things. When I was lifting heavy, I also suffered from some pretty serious delayed onset muscle soreness. I know for a fact folks have varied experiences and tolerances for that. Some people's muscles recover much more quickly from heavy exercise, reducing the overall unpleasantness associated with exercise. With all of the variables and testimony from folks I've worked out with, I have to assume a decent amount of people who exercise regularly actually enjoy the exercise itself. For me it never became more than a means to an end. It's something I know is good for mind and body, but my mind and body consistently rebel against it.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by smeej on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:15PM (#37407250)
Thank you for this. It helped bring something into focus in my mind that I'd been struggling with.

I keep kicking myself for not being more willing to exercise, but I've also recently discovered that my body severely overreacts to stress, even what should be eu-stress, not dis-stress. For example, massage therapy aggravates my muscles and leaves my body more tense and less resilient. I finally started making progress on healing some physical anomalies only after I stopped the recommended massage therapy.

It's made me realize maybe I'll have better luck with "strolling" than "going for a walk," or making up interpretive dances to smooth music than "dancing" to up-tempo beats. Perhaps I just need much more movement, but a lot less intensity than most people.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by wonderwonder on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:29PM (#37407444)
I love going to the gym and lifting. What I do though is work towards a goal. For example I got back in the gym about a year and a half ago after being sedentary for a decade plus. When I was younger I got to the point I could bench 315 for 3 on my last set. I stated my first goal was to get there again. When I started up, I could do 225 for 8. Muscle memory and TRT kicked in though and I blasted past that in a few months. I can bench 315 for 10 now on my last set and I have a new goal of 365 for 5. I just keep creating new goals and its awesome to be able to hit them. Very motivating
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by bratbag on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:29PM (#37407450)
I didn't at the start.

After 9 months of sticking to it, I found myself enjoying it while doing it.

I had to use a personal trainer to get to that point though, due to how much I hated it initially.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by nutate on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @04:01PM (#37410501)
This was the big turning point for me, and I'm in my forties. Thinking that I couldn't enjoy exercise was mainly because my 'form' was so bad it literally hurt. Luckily you can get better at things, and once you do, or you reach that point where it feels good, then the discipline isn't really needed any more than folks need discipline to play their grueling video games.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by testfoobar on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @11:52AM (#37406910)
My solution was accountability to another person: a trainer.

Pay a trainer for once/twice/thrice weekly sessions.

It is easier to skip a workout when no one else knows. I found it simply easier to just go rather than to make an excuse for the trainer.

It was worth the cost for me.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jstarfish on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:40PM (#37407576)
Or get a dog. It's a trainer that will punish you by shitting on your carpet if you don't keep moving. You won't have time to be depressed.

(Just don't get a Husky. They're high-maintenance and not very affectionate, and will get depressed and act out when left alone all day.)

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by bratbag on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:27PM (#37407414)
This is exactly what I did.

After a decade of nothing else working, this is what stuck.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by MisterBastahrd on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:21PM (#37407336)
I like physical activity.

My brain greatly dislikes 'purposeless' physical activity.

For example, I can stock an entire store, no problem. I will gleefully put the right thing into the right spot. That accomplishes something. Take a quarter of that physical energy and put it into a jog or walk? Hate it. Yes, I am technically accomplishing something, but try and tell my bored-to-tears lizard brain that.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by philipkglass on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:40PM (#37407580)
[delayed]
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by tasuki on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @02:42PM (#37409271)
> I started daily shopping with a backpack to carry what I buy.

I do the same, slightly shorter distance. There's even an exercise that people put rocks into their backpacks and walk around, they call it rucking I think. I could never do that, but bringing the groceries, sure!

Time spent in the car is wasted, time spent walking for groceries is well spent.

Moving back to my hometown of 400k people, I found I don't even need a bike: I can get almost anywhere in an hour's walk!

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by doublepg23 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:35PM (#37407520)
I love taking photos while on walks and listening to podcasts.
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by boesboes on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:26PM (#37407404)
I found bouldering/sport climbing to be able to tickle my it needs to be useful sense. It gives me focus on a task: get up this problem. YMMV of course :)
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jstarfish on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:45PM (#37407642)
Treadmills are a form of punishment. Man in motion, going nowhere...

I've taken to forcing myself to walk to the convenience store when I want a single unit of junk food instead of hoarding and binging. Gives me purposeful exercise and limits my spending on crap.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by depingus on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @01:45PM (#37408441)
Consider a physical activity that doesn't require your brain and use that time to engage your brain in other ways like listening to audiobooks and podcasts. So instead of "this is my pointless exercise hour", you end up with "this is my audiobook hour".
Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jrm4 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:28PM (#37407428)
I cannot stress enough -- in this regard

"Anything worth doing is worth doing POORLY." aka, ANYTHING is better than nothing.

I feel like that's the biggest barrier for a lot of people. One push-up is far better than zero. Walking outside to your mailbox and back is better than none at all.

Signing up for a gym and going once every two weeks, for about 15 min, is WAY better than not at all. Etc.

I promise, really believing this makes things a LOT better.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by jrm4 on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:31PM (#37407468)
Also -- WALKING.

Walking is huge. This is definitely in response to "my brain hates it, etc" type stuff.

My gut is that this is pretty much never true for "walking." We were "designed" to do it, lots of it. Not walking is not even our "default" state I imagine.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by WalterBright on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @12:56PM (#37407795)
I had to force myself to run regularly. But after a year of this, suddenly I realized I was looking forward to running. Now, it's one of the best parts of my day.

I couldn't run for a couple months because I sprained both ankles, and I sure missed it.

Lifting, though, I just don't enjoy it.

Re:Effectiveness of physical activity for improving depressi... by xk_id on Wednesday September 06, 2023 @08:13PM (#37413177)
This is correct and normal, your aerobic base needs to increase to a decent level, before you can undertake regular exercise and reap its benefits. And it is a painful process, but not a very long one. Six months is perhaps unusual, but it probably depends on your overall health. When I transitioned from being sedentary to daily jogging, I quickly quadroupled the duration I could run uninterrupted in only 4 weeks (from 5 min to 20+ min).