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Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by martin-adams on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:41AM (#36848812)
For what I can tell, Elon bought Twitter to take it off the stock market, fix it as a private company, creating growth and profitability, and then list it later to make his money back.

He sees the X vision to make Twitter become the Everything App, where people turn to it for more than just messaging, but video calls and commerce. Very much like WeChat where it serves as a platform for things like restaurant bookings and hailing a taxi.

I do agree though, it doesn't feel like renaming it to X is the right approach if this is the longer term vision. Personally I would have thought about Twitter X with these additional services and a much slower migration to X to align with the Everything App vision.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by datavirtue on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#36848880)
So do that instead of bike shedding the logo.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by catgary on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:47AM (#36848922)
At this point it seems like he’s dismantling Twitter on purpose. I can understand why the Saudis who lent him money would want it gone after the Arab spring.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by dualboot on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:17AM (#36849390)
This. Twitter has been the bane of billionaires, aspiring billionaires, and corrupt nation-states for a long time now.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by azornathogron on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:43AM (#36849799)
Really? Why? What problems does Twitter cause for them?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by pookha on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:49AM (#36849891)
Yet it's been a god-send for nation-state authoritarians in the US.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by simbolit on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:51AM (#36849921)
Please give some concrete examples (which aren't a decade old) of twitter being the bane of billionaires and corrupt nation states, that would help a lot. For now my only reaction to your comment is 'huh?'
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by HWR_14 on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:10PM (#36850249)
Are there even examples from a decade ago?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by simbolit on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:03PM (#36851937)
below someone predictably mentioned the Arab Spring. Not sure if that even counts, but that was the reason for my restriction.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ipaddr on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:47PM (#36850839)
Search for: Leader of Turkey censorship twitter
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by malermeister on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:53PM (#36850932)
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by adamckay on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:25PM (#36851384)
Elon himself didn't like that an account was tweeting the location of his private jet, generating bad publicity, going so far as paying for the owner of the account to stop.

Trivial, yes, but does show how it can be an annoyance even through simple things.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by simbolit on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:05PM (#36851969)
That is indeed trivial. And it was the best idea I had before asking my question. But I though it was too trivial to even mention.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:56AM (#36850008)
I could understand this if it was acquired and then heavily censored or monitored. Or if something more obviously destructive was done. But if this is all part of a plan to ruin twitter, it relies on having an egotistical person very publicly take an enormous "L".
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by artsytrashcan on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:01PM (#36852795)
>I could understand this if it was acquired and then heavily censored

This has happened. Impression count has been decimated for anyone without a check. Bonus points if you've ever blocked Elon or posted with a sentiment he disagrees with.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:53PM (#36853365)
Wait the suggestion is that billionaires/powerful people bought Twitter for nefarious purposes. Is it not worth more intact but surveilled and censored than utterly sabotaged with Elon graciously taking one for the team?

I’m not convinced, this is a bit complex, conspiratorial and nonsensical for me. When the simpler explanation is that Elon has just mismanaged the company.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by artsytrashcan on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:56PM (#36870154)
The answer to that is simple: it was worth more to them destroyed than as an intelligence asset.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @05:57PM (#36870164)
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Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by artsytrashcan on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:16PM (#36870401)
*Elon and whoever he owes favors to and/or is influenced by. (Owing favors and being influenced by others is a normal human person trait thing.)
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:29PM (#36870559)
So they were so harmed by the newly censored and under-friendly-control-for-$44b Twitter that they decided to spike it altogether and presume no similar social network would ever pop up again?

This is qanon-level stuff man, come on.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by artsytrashcan on Saturday July 29, 2023 @12:36PM (#36921908)
It really isn't. State - really, conservative party - antipathy to Twitter is well-known. This antipathy was instigated by Twitter's role in incubating several large, progressive movements over the past decade: the Arab Spring, Black Lives Matter, the anti-TPP and anti-SOPA protests, the Umbrella Movement and its descendants, etc. We know this antipathy exists because many of the states vulnerable to similar movements and that have the power to ban Twitter have done so.

Twitter also allows for the real-time dissemination of information unfavorable to corporations, like during outages and accidents, and the widespread dissemination of less time-sensitive information by journalists who aren't beholden to corporate media gatekeepers.

Elon Musk's various ventures rely heavily on buy-in from the government - SpaceX relies on NASA's resources, Tesla has only been profitable because of generous renewable energy grants, and even Paypal benefited from lax oversight from financial regulators. That there is likely a relationship is less "Pizzagate" and more "Trump and Russian interference." And if you're going to pretend that that's not a damning analogy, all that does is expose how unserious you are about the matter.

All of that aside, there is also the matter of Musk 1) having had a checkered history with Twitter as it was, including its users, and 2) not having actually wanted to buy Twitter after his initial due diligence. Considering that his actions after completing the deal included firing most of the workforce, stripping users of multiple privileges, and stripping the company itself of its branding, it's not at all farfetched to conclude that he has no intention of simply renovating Twitter, but instead means to strip it down to studs or foundation and build a gaudy temple to his own warped sense of entrepreneurship. This is, after all, the man who insisted that the model names of his cars spell out "S3XY".

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by rat87 on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:11PM (#36853563)
Twitter has been complying with more government censorship demands since the takeover including pre election censorship demanded by government of Turkey and banning a BBC documentary about Indian PM Modi. Before Musk Twitter often fought such requests in courts. But he did ban some journalists after they reported on him banning the Musk flight tracker account

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/tech/elon-musk-twitter-govern...

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @06:13AM (#36860226)
Right, but was that the purpose of the $44b takeover? No it’s just something Elon did, in an interesting reverse on his whole “free speech” thing.

Again, I am certain this is incompetence rather than conspiracy

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by HWR_14 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:47AM (#36849856)
The Arab Spring, you mean a decade ago?

In any case, they would rather have a tool they can control (just get Twitter to shadowban tweets about democracy) that their population uses seems better than a void.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by thesimp on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:54AM (#36849968)
No the arab spring that is coming soon. Remember why it was there: because many countries could not pay for food anymore because of the high grain prices. And what is happening now in ukraine? Exactly: they cannot ship cheap grain anymore to the arab countries that need it the most.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by 1121redblackgo on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:03PM (#36850135)
Occam's Razor might suggest he is simply bad at managing a social media company
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Analemma_ on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#36850803)
Something that has become abundantly clear over the past few years is that all the supposed instances of "[my beloved idol] is actually playing 9-dimensional chess; their master plan will become clear soon" are wrong, and that in every case the idol in question is actually just an idiot. That's almost certainly what's happening again here.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by philippejara on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:14PM (#36853604)
They didn't lend him money, they kept the stake they had before he bought twitter, both the Qatari and the saudi. Also I'm not sure why they would want it gone after the arab spring, given how the Persians only benefited from it and Qatar was pretty much a state instigator of it in other countries.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by heyjamesknight on Monday July 24, 2023 @10:49AM (#36848956)
I hear what you're saying, but I don't think this is remotely the right way to go about it.

It would be like Google changing the Google name to Alphabet, or to "A.com" or something. Imagine throwing away "to Google something" in an effort to popularize a big, story-less, meaningless name.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by smcl on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:00AM (#36849117)
Yeah if it was like "Twitter - an X.com app" then maybe, or maybe building out the brand of X and merging the two if X takes off. This switch seems a bit sudden and misguided. I was certain he was doing some weird Elon joke but he seems to have gone through with it.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by CommieBobDole on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:03AM (#36849153)
> I was certain he was doing some weird Elon joke but he seems to have gone through with it.

I think that describes nearly all of his public behavior over the last few years.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by neuronexmachina on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:46PM (#36850828)
I feel like in the past others were able to keep Musk in check when he was having a manic phase. Nowadays, he has enough power that I suspect anybody who wants to stay in his good graces doesn't dare to contradict him.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Rustwerks on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:11PM (#36850270)
Worse than that.

tweet -> excrete

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by themagician on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:17AM (#36849392)
His vision is to turn it into a bank. He talked about this with Baron's last year. The part of the "everything app" he actually cares about is banking. His goal is to make it into the world's largest bank. He actually said so.

Honestly, not a bad idea. If you are the world's richest person you might as well have a company that can actually make money.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hef19898 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:20AM (#36849444)
He wants a bank, and buys a social media company for 44 Bn. Interesting strategy, as someone else so pointly called it: 5d checkers.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by j16sdiz on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:38AM (#36849724)
He want a P2P payment platform, double as a social network, function like a bank, without a bank license.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ke88y on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:00PM (#36850073)
Even if you think social graphs are the future of banking/payments, Twitter is still an... interesting... strategy. It's exactly the wrong social graph for that sort of thing.

(I also don't think that hypothesis makes a lick of sense -- Apple+Google, not any particular app, is the "WeChat of the west".)

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by notahacker on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:38PM (#36850694)
And even if you think the Twitter social graph is the right social graph for it, it seems unlikely that the best way of converting it into a ubiquitous payment platform is to make a lot of noise about most of its user base being bots, relaunch the "verification" feature as something which has nothing to do with verification, wade into populist politics, and slash its employee base whilst panning the quality of its tech platform.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by fomine3 on Monday July 24, 2023 @08:59PM (#36856412)
Also many people had been suspended their twitter account for unknown reason after Elon. Anyone would want to use it for payment? lol
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by er4hn on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:59PM (#36851878)
It worked well for WeChat because they were able to launch a feature at a point when there were not very strict AML requirements in China and it was much easier to get consumers and merchants onboarded compared to credit cards. I don't have any anecdotes about how often person2person payments are done on WeChat vs person2business, but I have seen it being used very frequently for p2b. If you can build a low friction app that solves a problem, people will use it.

That being said, Wechat payments are also rife with every form of scam, irreversibility, and fake QR code issues that people in the West warn about. That (and the AML stuff) is why it seems to be getting more scrutiny by the Chinese govt.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by ke88y on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:52PM (#36852666)
> If you can build a low friction app that solves a problem, people will use it.

For p2b, Apply Pay lets me tap my power button twice and hold it next to the payment terminal. Hard to get lower friction than that.

For p2p, the space is already saturated (Zelle, Venmo, etc.) It's unclear why I would want to use Twitter -- sorry, x -- for this in particular. Also, with the launch of FedNow, the days of new entrant intermediaries in the USA are coming to a close.

Finally, as Goldman Sachs just learned, consumer banking is a brutal business. I think the closest they got to building anything like breaking into consumer credit/banking was becoming the bank that supported the Apple-branded credit card.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by lostlogin on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:39PM (#36852472)
WestChat
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hef19898 on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:54PM (#36850957)
To bad FTX went under too early then.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by numpad0 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:34AM (#36849667)
But then why they aren't interested in retaining user and trust? I don't see how financial dependency works on a platform that can't stop banning high profile users. Even right now people are reporting follower losses in 2-3 digits.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by spookthesunset on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#36850798)
> Honestly, not a bad idea.

There is a massive distance between an idea and its successful execution. Most of the success comes from execution, not the original idea.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by pram on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:08PM (#36851151)
For 44 billion he could just develop a banking and social app and then deposit $100 in every new account as a bribe.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by vharuck on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:41PM (#36851607)
Elon has become known for mandating large policy changes at Twitter. These change the way the service works, what different features mean, and how much sway different users have on the communities. By now, business owners should know not to rely on Twitter's features or community remaining unchanged beyond maybe a couple years. Which isn't terrible. It's a social media service, society is inherently messy, and messiness makes for good profit opportunities.

But who would want those qualities in a bank? Banks should be boring.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by lostlogin on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:41PM (#36852500)
> business owners should know not to rely on Twitter's features or community remaining unchanged beyond maybe a couple years.

It’s more like hours or days under Elon. Maybe weeks but certainly not years.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by upon_drumhead on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:29AM (#36849590)
I see zero indication he ever intends to sell X/Twitter. He wants to pivot it into the worlds most successful and useful app. He won’t sell that.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by simbolit on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:54AM (#36849971)
Right, what a genius move. Pivoting your 17-year old startup company from 'social messaging' into the 'most successful and useful' category.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by henry2023 on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:16PM (#36850346)
No one will buy twitter / X?! again because it's going to be bankrupted in a couple of years.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by upon_drumhead on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:02PM (#36851081)
I said he doesn't intend to sell it. Being forced to due to bankruptcy is an entirely different thing that I didn't comment on.

People in this thread are all saying this is part of his master plan to get Twitter/X to be worth hundreds of billions and then to sell it and walk away. I don't see any reason why he would sell and walk away if he manages to pull it off.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Capricorn2481 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:30AM (#36849599)
> He sees the X vision to make Twitter become the Everything App, where people turn to it for more than just messaging, but video calls and commerce

This is the exact vacuous nonsense Sam Bankman-Fried was spouting while playing League of Legends in a VC meeting and it made Sequoia Capital wet their pants. It really puts the cart before the horse of "how or why" Twitter should position themselves this way. It is frustrating to watch people continuously buy into his complete lack of vision or execution.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by finikytou on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:00PM (#36850079)
sam bankman-fried is closer to Musk opponents at every angle you look at. and btw those opponents crowned sam bankman fried while they hate musk in every newspaper you can buy in the US
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Capricorn2481 on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:04PM (#36850149)
What opponents? You mean in the tech VC world? Cause the rest of us are disillusioned with both of them.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by finikytou on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @03:26PM (#36868010)
pretty much every newspaper, tv journalist and a big chunk of the politicians. its easy just look at everyone that gave money to Sam Bankman and try to link see what those people think of Musk. I guarantee you the spread will be something like 90% against Musk
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by _jal on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:07PM (#36850186)
> It is frustrating to watch people continuously buy into his complete lack of vision or execution.

"Hey, look over there! I'll make the 6 Million Dollar Man!"

I'm pretty sure he just watches 80s TV for vaporware announcement ideas to use when there's bad press to suppress.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by atourgates on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:44PM (#36850811)
I really dislike Musk - but it does seem like sometimes - he has a really strong vision.

Tesla and SpaceX and StarLink are really impressive from a "had a vision for something on a broadly positive world-changing scale, successfully executed it" perspective.

With Twitter, I'm not sure he actually has a vision.

The best realistic pro-Musk argument you can make is that he can be a real ass, but he's an ass whose companies tend to do amazing things. With Twitter, the best I can come up with is that he had a personal grudge against the platform, and the means to take pattiness to unheard of scales.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by malermeister on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:50PM (#36850895)
It almost feels Trumpian in its need to remove any trace of what was built before he took over.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hef19898 on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:01PM (#36851069)
Wait until he sues for the founder title.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by cwkoss on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:27PM (#36851415)
Yeah, I suspect he's going to start calling himself "the creator/founder of X" soon
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by klyrs on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:00PM (#36851890)
That's technically accurate, isn't it? Twitter is the pea under a stack of shells named X, each founded by Musk. The accuracy of that title only loses specificity when he renames Twitter to X.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by cwkoss on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:51PM (#36852649)
I FOUNDED THE HOLDING COMPANY GODDAMNIT! GIVE ME THE RESPECT I DESERVE!
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by vntok on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:05PM (#36851965)
Well, he is the cofounder of X(.com). It just took a few decades to fully execute his vision.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by imbnwa on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:59PM (#36852774)
I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale.

I would hazard a guess that pre-Musk Twitter, for whatever reason, had fears around bringing payments onto the service, particularly in the case of sexual content and resolving that, but this led to a situation where other services spring up to fill that void.

However, Twitter Blue was a case of having your cake-and-eating-it-too where I think Musk wanted a story on cash flow not dependent on ads ASAP. In truth, Twitter Blue should've exclusively been a service tier for creators who want to monetize content on Twitter; a case naturally requiring verificaiton. That would've given an incentive and a rationale to the extant pre-Musk creator class that bemoaned its introduction, but Musk really fucked that up by trying to exploit Right wing allegations of Twitter being biased towards the Left (which it never was, rather, the reverse was true[0]) to make up for freaking out advertisers.

[0]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-a...

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Capricorn2481 on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:26PM (#36853060)
> I don't think it's nonsense. Patreon, OnlyFans, etc are basically things that should've been apart of Twitter UX from the jump, all with a simple 'Subscribe ($X /month)' button, the overlap in their user interfaces is no accident. IG is already trying to do this as well already, but its niche limits its scale.

I'm not sure what you mean by its niche. There are way more Instagram users than Twitter ones, and they are way more exposed to products. It sounds like a much better fit for Instagram than Twitter.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by rat87 on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:43PM (#36853245)
I don't see much overlap with Twitter and Patreon (or only fans). YouTube has more overlap with Patreon and did finally get a channel membership/paid subscription thing although I'm not sure how popular that is.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by imtringued on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:01PM (#36852799)
Actually it is closer to Zuckerberg‘s meta rebrand. You don't save a company by slapping in a new brand and wasting billions on VR without doing market research.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by Capricorn2481 on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:24PM (#36853035)
Yes, that rebrand is also foolish, but it's not hard to see that Facebook is way better positioned to actually fulfill the "everything" app than others are. Facebook marketplace is huge.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by burnte on Monday July 24, 2023 @06:27PM (#36855126)
Plus I would think by this point in human events we understand that nothing that does everything actually does anything well. This is a terrible idea. At least he's had a financial hit because if it, nothing else has any change of convincing him otherwise. Even he knows it's a bad idea, which is why he never actually wor4ked towards it.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by tootie on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:31AM (#36849623)
If you ever ask the question "Is this a dumb move or 4D chess?" the answer is literally always "dumb move".
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by bamfly on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:52AM (#36849950)
I heard some pal of his (owner of the big MMA league or something? IDK, some other Saudi-loving guy I gather, I don't know much about combat sports) interviewed on NPR a couple weeks ago and he was still saying Musk is a business genius (but he also had some weird "once someone's in the circle, they're in the circle, and Musk's in the circle" thing going on, like from goddamn Meet the Parents—dude was a living caricature, the interview was fawning but the guy was just an absurd human being).

Look, everyone makes mistakes, but the whole Twitter thing, from the beginning, has been the equivalent of hiring a fry cook and then he sticks his fucking hand in the fryer, on purpose, on day 1. Then he sticks the other hand in.

You wouldn't say that dude's a genius chef—or, if he ever was, he's either gone nuts or is on way too many drugs to trust with anything. Or both.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by spaceman_2020 on Monday July 24, 2023 @03:18PM (#36852979)
Eh, Musk will 100% make money on Twitter. All of these moves aren’t meant for you. They’re meant for the stock market, which has lived in an alternate reality for the last few years.

Musk is cramming the social media app with all of those useless buzzwords that Wall Street loves. When he IPOs it, you can bet it will have AI, Finance, and depending on its standing then, Crypto in the prospectus. It will be hot trash but the markets will lap it up as they always do.

You are literally not the audience for these shenanigans.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by tootie on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:40PM (#36853898)
His purchase of Twitter was explicitly to take it private. He would look like a pretty humongous moron to just take it public again. And I seriously doubt Wall St would ever mindless lap up a super app with no users. It makes no sense. It's a ten-year old, mature company that was already public-traded. He can't just take it private, make it a whole new company, rebuild the user base from scratch then expect it to be worth more than he paid. He should have just bootstrapped a new company from zero if that was the intent.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by spaceman_2020 on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @01:08AM (#36858165)
Wall Street will pump random shitty companies when they add the current buzzword to their press release [0]. Of course they’ll lap up whatever trash their favorite pied piper decides to take public.

As for looking like a fool, I think we can all agree that Musk is past that.

0: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/long-island-iced-tea-micro-c...

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by tootie on Tuesday July 25, 2023 @08:45PM (#36871717)
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by zpeti on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:11PM (#36851194)
Said everyone about spacex and Tesla too.

That doesn’t mean this twitter thing is going to succeed, but your always “dumb move” comment is not very well founded based on musks history.

The entire tone of voice of this thread is exactly what people said about Tesla 5 years ago and why so many were shorting it. Turns out - that was a bad move.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by lostlogin on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:45PM (#36852555)
Let’s see, 5 years from now maybe you can Xeet us about how right you are.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by rat87 on Monday July 24, 2023 @04:16PM (#36853628)
Tesla stock is still vastly overvalued. That's not to say it's worthless but I see it going below other car companies as they start converting over to EVs.

But EVs and private space flight are useful things with demand and large government subsidies. There's little demand to whatever he wants to do with Twitter

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by AirMax98 on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:36AM (#36849686)
> For what I can tell, Elon bought Twitter to take it off the stock market, fix it as a private company, creating growth and profitability, and then list it later to make his money back.

A reminder that Elon had to be sued into buying this company.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by mgiannopoulos on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:56AM (#36850007)
He tried to back away when the stock markets fell making financing more difficult/expensive. He wanted a better price. He still wanted to buy it.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by henry2023 on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:10PM (#36850239)
What makes you think this? IMO he really wanted to not buy them but was forced to do it.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by mrguyorama on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:15PM (#36851257)
If he wanted a better price he shouldn't have started purchasing talks by posting a ludicrous price on twitter before talking to anyone.

In the normal world, this is called being really stupid and bad at business

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by praptak on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:00PM (#36850078)
So he wanted it to take it off the stock market, fix it, yada yada but then realized this is a bad idea?
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by hacoo on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:09PM (#36850219)
He made the offer impulsively without due diligence, then got cold feet when the market dropped. Real genius business moves
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by quandrum on Monday July 24, 2023 @01:03PM (#36851091)
Evidence points to him wanting to use the potential of buying Twitter as a cover for selling a few billion in Tesla stock without impacting it's value.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by red-iron-pine on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:38PM (#36852459)
TSLA was crazy overvalued, does no one remember that? The reason the ARK funds and Cathie Woods is famous is basically cuz she bet the farm on TSLA.

The stock was absurd -- cars with QA issues and lots of recalls outperforming stocks like Ford or Toyota, companies with decades of making reliable vehicles.

Everyone knew it was overvalued by a long shot, and if Musk sold it would crater. So create a headline grabbing buy that would justify shedding tons of shares, then back out and keep the $$$. When TSLA later has a correction he can just ignore it -- got his money already -- and launch some buybacks on the cheap.

Except he couldn't back out.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by jkaptur on Monday July 24, 2023 @11:38AM (#36849717)
Sure, everyone wants to be "WeChat for the rest of the world", but even WeChat hasn't really made progress in pulling it off.
Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by dehrmann on Monday July 24, 2023 @12:19PM (#36850399)
> He sees the X vision to make Twitter become the Everything App

Seems easier to do that without buying Twitter. He has enough reach that anything he talks about gets fanboy traction, there's no value into Twitter's infrastructure for this, and converting tweeters into everything app users is possible, but a stretch.

Plus the ship has sailed for an everything app outside China.

Re:Twitter has officially changed its logo to ‘X’ by gremlinsinc on Monday July 24, 2023 @02:38PM (#36852461)
if he wanted all that, he wouldn't have cratered the app economy around Twitter's API, nobody's going to be build apps like taxi/restaurant booking services off the framework if they can't afford to even get started.