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Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by CameronNemo on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:28PM (#36817578)
Using ccTLDs when you have no relationship with the country is just asking for trouble. Comes across as naive and unprofessional, although I've seen many serious infrastructure built upon .co and .io names.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by riffic on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:42PM (#36817755)
The misuse (off-label use perhaps, to use a term from medicine) of ccTLDs in the tech industry is a widespread practice and I doubt anyone's going to change anytime soon.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by paulgb on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:50PM (#36817875)
I've heard enough horror stories lately (including[1]) that I'm considering moving a container registry off of a cctld. Container registries for whatever reason use .io by convention (docker.io, gcr.io, ghcr.io) so our public-facing registry does too, but I've been thinking that it's not worth the risk. .io is probably safer than most just because of how load-bearing it's become, though.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bg9XUEM82E

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by slowmovintarget on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:18PM (#36818246)
The Wikipedia entry on the .io TLD is interesting [1].

The .io TLD is assigned to the British Indian Ocean Territories, and there's currently an ongoing international legal dispute over whether the territories even exist, or they just belong to Mauritius. If the U.N. "wins" the .io domain would be slated for removal (technically).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by bshipp on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:35PM (#36818496)
I can't imagine .io would ever be removed. if anything, it'll be categorized like .org or .com if it loses its geographic justification.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by valianteffort on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:08PM (#36818986)
But aren't two letter TLD's reserved for country codes?
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by gary_0 on Friday July 21, 2023 @06:19PM (#36820715)
There will definitely be complaints if we colonize Jupiter's moons but the .io TLD has been commandeered by open source projects.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by signal11 on Saturday July 22, 2023 @09:23AM (#36826014)
There are um, significant challenges to colonising Io.

It’s 400 active volcanoes to start with, in a body the size of Earth’s moon.

If we could tap its flux tube for energy though—- now that’d be cool.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by squarefoot on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:19PM (#36827491)
> There are um, significant challenges to colonising Io.

What about Europa (.eu)?

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by rewmie on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:01PM (#36828280)
> What about Europa (.eu)?

.eu is already the ccTLD if the European Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eu

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by squarefoot on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:51PM (#36829791)
Yes, I was referring to the grandparent's comment about Jupiter moons and .io that can't be used. Odd wording from my side.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by woleium on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:06PM (#36828858)
Ok grampa, let's use DNS. Should we all type code out by hand as well?
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by riffic on Friday July 21, 2023 @10:29PM (#36822585)
not really how it works but your imagination is healthy.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by niij on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:03PM (#36827372)
There's precedent. The .su (Soviet Union) ccTLD is still around. It takes registrations at the second level and is open to registrations from anyone regardless of nationality.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by nkko on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:24AM (#36823823)
There are some examples https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yu
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by xcdzvyn on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:09AM (#36824396)
But we got .rs and .me in exchange. The world just wants to maximize domain hacks :)
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by qingcharles on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:35PM (#36818504)
And there is a lot of precedent for removing ccTLDs for countries that no longer exist, regardless of what is using them, e.g. East Germany, USSR etc.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by smsm42 on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:11PM (#36819011)
.su still alive. Given it's controlled by Russia and widely used for scams I wouldn't recommend going to any site registered in that domain necessarily, but it has not been removed and likely won't be anytime soon.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by qingcharles on Sunday July 23, 2023 @06:26PM (#36840564)
Thank you, I stand corrected :)
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by smsm42 on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:08PM (#36818989)
Given that top-level domain does not have to be geographical, they can easily just keep it, just somebody else would be making money from it.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by nneonneo on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:11PM (#36819006)
You’re hoping .io is safer than most. It’s not exactly operated by a big or stable country. Ownership could change and the new owners could be arbitrarily capricious.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by paulgb on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:57PM (#36819627)
Yep, that's a fair point. I do think that the more popular ccTLDs are probably slightly safer than less popular ones all else being equal because there is more riding on not “killing the golden goose”, but stability of the country (or territory) is also a factor.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by Symbiote on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:55AM (#36823982)
The same applies to .UK, should Scottish independence succeed. If anything, that seems more likely than the UK giving up control of Diego Garcia.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by messe on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:50AM (#36824572)
> The same applies to .UK, should Scottish independence succeed

Northern Ireland exists and is still unfortunately a part of the UK. The UK would still be the United Kingdom of X and Northern Ireland even if Scotland leaves.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by PontifexMinimus on Saturday July 22, 2023 @08:54AM (#36825816)
Even if NI leaves, it'd be the United Kingdom of England and Wales.

If Wales leaves, the United Kingdom of England?

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by Symbiote on Saturday July 22, 2023 @04:02PM (#36829313)
No, the kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland (parts) are united.

Wales was conquered in 1284 - the Kingdom of England includes Wales.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by justsomehnguy on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:10PM (#36827426)
npm left-pad has entered the chat
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DANmode on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:49PM (#36817864)
Like seeing someone's social media post of their breakfast, I'm happy these signals exist.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by WhereIsTheTruth on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:16PM (#36818213)
Well, looks like the Mali government disagree with you
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by Storm-Bringer on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:39PM (#36817713)
Or .me like Proton Mail (pm.me)…
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by rvnx on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:51PM (#36817894)
Says a lot when you had to make a choice between a beautiful domain name, or having to trust the government of Montenegro for all your lifetime for a super sensitive e-mail service.

At least Montenegro is managing their own ccTLD, not like some mysterious islands (.io, .pw, etc).

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by qingcharles on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:41PM (#36818596)
But Montenegro has had hundreds of years of sovereign instability, i.e. it has been swallowed several times by other entities. I guess it was on .yu until the 21st century. It's probably stable for now, but nothing to say it won't get swallowed again and lose its TLD.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by ericpauley on Saturday July 22, 2023 @09:29AM (#36826048)
Montenegro is part of NATO. I would argue that mitigates the instability issue.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DropInIn on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:12PM (#36830006)
If we're going back hundreds of years then there's no ccTLD that is worthy, not the US not any commonwealth nation, nowhere....
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by neilv on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:19PM (#36818258)
Mailfence.com offers `mf.me`. Mailfence could go even further by offering email addresses under `@ba.mf.me`.

If someone secured the `.mf` ccTLD, they could grab other Pulp Fiction fans who want to be `<name>@bad.mf`.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by mkl on Friday July 21, 2023 @08:21PM (#36821844)
.mf seems to be half of a tiny Caribbean island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martin_(island)
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by asyx on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:50AM (#36824875)
I actually didn't know that .me was a cctld so now I have surname.me and am kinda worried. I also own surname.dev but I'm not sure if my wife would like to change email addresses...
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by mc32 on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:52PM (#36817908)
When Libya was in turmoil years ago this issue came up. Looks like people forget.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by sebmellen on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:02PM (#36818018)
I think this remains the biggest long-term risk with using bit.ly links. I have seen so much hard copy media with bit.ly links, especially technical books, that I shudder to think of how many dead links there will be if Lybia takes it offline.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DANmode on Friday July 21, 2023 @10:32PM (#36822609)
They will almost certainly not be dead, in the event of...uh...an event...like were discussing.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DANmode on Friday July 21, 2023 @10:32PM (#36822612)
we're*
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by ehPReth on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:53AM (#36823970)
there’s 301works.org at least
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by starttoaster on Saturday July 22, 2023 @10:23PM (#36832008)
The biggest long term risk with bit.ly links is that you have no clue what website you’re visiting when you click on one, period. You’re either taking the time to put it through a link unshortener, or you just blindly click a link some person you don’t know posted on their totally legit web blog.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by jrmg on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:04PM (#36818047)
It was never actually more than a theoretical problem then though, right? The .ly domain remained (and remains) stable and functioning IIRC.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by edent on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:20PM (#36818279)
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by jrmg on Friday July 21, 2023 @04:28PM (#36819244)
Thanks. Bit.ly remained - but that article does indeed show at least one .ly domain (vb.ly) being cancelled.

From the article:

That follows the abrupt enforced shutdown of vb.ly, a "link shortening" site run by Ben Metcalfe and Violet Blue, after it was declared that the content of the site was "against Sharia law".

An image of Violet with bare arms, drinking from a bottle of lager, was emblazoned across the front page of the site when the government-owned Libya Telecom & Technology got in touch earlier this month. "Pornography and adult material aren't allowed under Libyan law, therefore we removed the domain," the letter said, adding: "The issue of offensive imagery is quite subjective, as what I may deem as offensive you might not, but I think you'll agree that a picture of a scantily clad lady with some bottle in her hand isn't exactly what most would consider decent or family friendly at the least."

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by sitzkrieg on Friday July 21, 2023 @02:57PM (#36817975)
of course. techbros been doing circles on all sorts of stuff
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by SpecialistK on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:02PM (#36818020)
Especially when they're using .ml to refer to "Marxist-Leninist"...
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by FireInsight on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:46PM (#36830296)
That's lemmygrad and possibly lemmy.ml, I think fmhy.ml (the site in question) used it since it's free.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by croes on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:04PM (#36818054)
How would the trouble be different if you are a citizen of the country?
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by paulgb on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:28PM (#36818383)
The rule could probably be generalized to not building a business on a ccTLD, but there are instances where being unconnected to the country could directly be a problem. For example, .so (Somalia) domains have become popular as a generic ccTLD (because "so" is a generic English word, I guess?) used by companies like Notion, but technically it is against their terms to own one if you don't have a bona fine connection to Somalia.

(Policy: https://sonic.so/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/dotso-domain-nam...)

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by slim on Saturday July 22, 2023 @09:33AM (#36826087)
you would be protected by laws. as a foreigner you have basically no rights
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by menus on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:12PM (#36818157)
I don't understand how it's naive and unprofessional?

twitch.tv, goo.gl, youtu.be, etc. is the tip of the iceberg. Twitch and Google probably are unlikely to have bases in Tuvalu and Greenland respectively.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by CameronNemo on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:30PM (#36818403)
Amazon and Google may not have bases in those countries, but they have a lot more weight than the typical company or individual.

Hitching your wagon to their success seems unwise. They won't make sure you make it to the end

Just buy a gTLD domain. You probably don't even need a separate domain for your link shortener...

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by menus on Friday July 21, 2023 @06:26PM (#36820790)
Forget gTLD, Google has their own TLD (1)

(1) https://blog.google/

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by jrnichols on Friday July 21, 2023 @08:20PM (#36821839)
I found out today that .apple exists too.

https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/tld/

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by qingcharles on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:37PM (#36818535)
Amazon and Google can probably buy off some of these Third World dictatorships to ensure ongoing use of the TLDs. (or pay for a coup)
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by nolok on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:43PM (#36818622)
While I would certainly love to see google try to buy off Belgium for the entertainement value of the following ECJ case, I think you're exaggerating a bit too much
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by mminer237 on Friday July 21, 2023 @08:57PM (#36822077)
Amazon uses amzn.to when their revenue is roughly 1000x the GDP of Tonga.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by nolok on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:38PM (#36827644)
My reply was mostly a tongue in cheek answer aimed at youtu.be being one of the given examples
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by martin8412 on Friday July 21, 2023 @05:42PM (#36820255)
Google already lost the right to use goo.gl for their link shortening service. I'm not sure who would be a part of a potential coup, but it seems unlikely since Greenland has no military of their own, the military being provided by Denmark(a NATO member) who has already in the past allowed the US to station nuclear weapons on Greenland, despite being a party to the NPT.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by ehPReth on Saturday July 22, 2023 @02:51AM (#36823959)
did they lose the right or did they just not want to run it anymore?
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by mod50ack on Saturday July 22, 2023 @03:24AM (#36824143)
They didn't lose the rights. They still own goo.gl; go to the address and you'll get Google. They just weren't interested in running a link shortener anymore.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DropInIn on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:10PM (#36829986)
Yea, they probably realized there was no analytics advantage when anyone who would use that shortener would also likely have google analytics on thier site...
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by reaperducer on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:16PM (#36818217)
Twitch and Google probably are unlikely to have bases in Tuvalu and Greenland respectively.

And bit.ly probably isn't working out of Lybia.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by tough on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:16PM (#36818214)
twitch.com -> twitch.tv redirect

goo.gl is a link shortener like youtu.be aint it?

I dunno, It's just asking for trouble needlessly

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by Ekaros on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:56AM (#36824900)
Still they could easily setup entities there and have some staff. It would not be that big of an investment for platforms of that size.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by N19PEDL2 on Saturday July 22, 2023 @09:44AM (#36826163)
I've always been curious as to why .us isn't popular among the US tech companies. The only exception I know of is zoom.us.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by bravetraveler on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:56PM (#36827779)
I'm so glad that as an individual I didn't use a number that was important when registering .us. To everyone else, take this as a warning!

Given that .us doesn't allow privacy, there's apparently a huge market for web designers and the like to watch registrations and use this as a 'lead generator'.

I have never received as much spam as I did after registering two .us domains. Thankfully, I used a number I can safely ignore

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by DropInIn on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:08PM (#36829964)
Makes me glad that the .ca tld allows keeping the registrants info private
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by bravetraveler on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:49PM (#36830313)
Consider me envious!

It truly should be enough that the registrar can get a hold of me

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by dylan604 on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:14PM (#36818182)
i wonder how small the number of people that actually understand what ccTLD means in the first place, let alone how geopolitical turmoil could negatively impact their cute little domain name.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by tough on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:17PM (#36818238)
lmao as a holder of a .me domain hope montenegro is fine
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by JimBlackwood on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:42AM (#36824846)
I don’t understand and have been going through the comments in hope for an explanation.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by vel0city on Saturday July 22, 2023 @12:53PM (#36827754)
Every country that the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) recognizes gets a two letter country-code top level domain (ccTLD). These are all two letter domains, as country codes are two letters. Some of these are kind of boring (.us or .ru or .pl) but some of these can be interesting (.tv for the nation of Tuvalu, .io for the British Indian Ocean Territories, .in for India). Sometimes countries will lease the management rights for a ccTLD to a private company to manage for a while, as most governments are either incompetent at managing these things or have more important things to care about.

Theoretically each country can change the rules of their country code at any time. These rules can be rather arbitrary and can technically happen whenever. As an example of a rule, the .us domain is only available to US entities.

Also, if the country ceases to be, there's a chance the ccTLD will go away, because that country doesn't exist. Hence the fear with .io, as the Indian Ocean Territories as a political unit may not last very long or .tv as the islands wash away and disappear with rising sea levels.

As others have mentioned, IANA isn't always fast at removing old ccTLDs. The .su domain for the Soviet Union still exists.

Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by Ekaros on Saturday July 22, 2023 @05:59AM (#36824911)
Most recent example I think was .eu and UK leaving European Union... And that was orderly process. ccTLDs are entirely fine if you live or your business operates in the country in question. Outside that it is entirely up to them to do what they want.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by WeylandYutani on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:31PM (#36818431)
Probably thought they could get away with it since it's a poor African country.
Re:Mali Government takes back .ml domain, brings down one of... by stickfigure on Friday July 21, 2023 @03:53PM (#36818791)
Also, the organizations that run the nameservers are not necessarily as competent as the ones running .com. I had an 8 hour outage when the entire .st domain went offline.

My blog entry about it from 10 years ago:

https://github.com/stickfigure/blog/wiki/Beware-cutesy-two-l...