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Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by add-sub-mul-div on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:14PM (#36633948)
What I'd love is a project for Windows 11 that gives me back full control of which updates I download and when I reboot. I've been living with vague registry hacks and the "pause for 5 weeks" button but they're getting less effective.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by Joeri on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:33PM (#36634255)
Windows pro managed through intune should give you that control, though it is a bit of an awkward path for a single user.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by nikanj on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:32PM (#36634243)
Just buy a pro/enterprise version, they support the GPOs to block updates
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by rwaksmunski on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:59PM (#36634719)
Lookup Windows 10 LTSC
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by jonathantf2 on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:03PM (#36634769)
Not sure if this is because I run the Pro version but I've never ever ever once had Windows 10 or 11 reboot to install updates on it's own.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by ailurooo on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:05PM (#36634811)
The genuine answer is that you won't get this functionality unless you use windows enterprise. Which of course you can't purchase.. This functionality is locked to just the enterprise and will likely never change..
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by londons_explore on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:45PM (#36635465)
> can't purchase

There are certain high seas where such things are plentiful.

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by bruce343434 on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:15PM (#36636006)
With all that risk and effort, seriously why not just use linux?
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:26PM (#36636217)
https://www.protondb.com/explore

Because most of this list is not Native or Platinum.

Games on Windows just work.

Also, how well does VR work in Linux these days?

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by kobalsky on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:27PM (#36637101)
> Also, how well does VR work in Linux these days?

this loaded question should be directed towards the developers.

that any Windows game works on Linux at all, given Microsoft's record regarding interoperability, seems like a miracle.

If I had to make an equally loaded question I'd say, what OS are they using to host their game servers?

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by londons_explore on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:37PM (#36637228)
Game servers are fairly frequently hosted on Windows, simply because the game server often shares a lot of code with the client (including libraries which may not be cross platform), and game developers are often most familiar with Windows.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stOneskull on Friday July 07, 2023 @03:32PM (#36637162)
i don't know anymore. i'm getting really annoyed by background processes interfering with my counter-strike ping. like microsoft is checking my mail or uploading some telemetry bs or something. i can't wait to get back on linux.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by gs17 on Saturday July 08, 2023 @11:24AM (#36645288)
You could check out Portmaster for blocking those. It does take a bit of work to get it working well with games though.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stOneskull on Sunday July 09, 2023 @02:22AM (#36652094)
it's interesting that you say that. i recently installed Portmaster for another reason and have been turning it off when playing CS as it was blocking it. I will look into configuring it. Cheers.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by gs17 on Saturday July 08, 2023 @11:23AM (#36645276)
VR on Linux depends on your headset mostly AFAIK. Oculus (Quest will work with ALVR streaming, but I had mixed results) and WMR require software that isn't on Linux. Valve Index supposedly has good support and VR games are playable with Proton.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by hospitalJail on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:52PM (#36635583)
This is equally as dangerous.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by windowspiracy on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:06PM (#36635837)
Eh, not really. You can download a windows pro ISO straight from microsoft [0], install it, and then upgrade it to enterprise using the kms client key [1]. That can then be activated using an open source kms server emulator [2] that has a reasonable amount of code you can audit if you're extremely paranoid.

If you don't want to go through the hassle of installing and then upgrading I'm also pretty sure you can upgrade one of the images in the wim offline using dism.

0: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 (will serve you an iso directly instead of the media creation tool if you give it a linux user agent)

1: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started...

2: https://github.com/Wind4/vlmcsd/tree/master

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by hospitalJail on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:15PM (#36637709)
Interesting.

I do work on my windows machine, so doing anything illegal just gives me the opportunity to lose 1000x more money than if I just upgraded legally.

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by TheSkyHasEyes on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:18PM (#36637756)
Tiny11 is a thing but I've no experience with it. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=tiny11
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by nobody9999 on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:35PM (#36638641)
>The genuine answer is that you won't get this functionality unless you use windows enterprise. Which of course you can't purchase.. This functionality is locked to just the enterprise and will likely never change..

Of course you can purchase "enterprise" versions of Windows 11[0].

What's more, anyone can purchase most of Microsoft's offerings for ~USD$1000[1].

[0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/windows-11-pro/dg7gmgf0d8h...

[1] https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing-details/

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by ailurooo on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:45PM (#36639756)
a license at 1000 is not a license that's purchasable for a normal consumer.. you may also need to sign a EA and this opens a can of worms. The point is that you normally can't obtain a enterprise license.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by nobody9999 on Friday July 07, 2023 @09:33PM (#36640499)
>a license at 1000 is not a license that's purchasable for a normal consumer.. you may also need to sign a EA and this opens a can of worms. The point is that you normally can't obtain a enterprise license.

That's just not true. cf. the link I posted[0].

Anyone can buy a Visual Studio Developer Subscription (formerly "Technet Library" and "MSDN" packages) (USD$1199.00) without an enterprise agreement with Microsoft. I've used it for many years and will continue to do so.

And you don't need to renew it either (I'll generally do so every 5-7 years to get access to the latest stuff, but it's not necessary or required), especially since the software isn't "in the cloud" so you can have most of Microsoft's products (workstation and server) on local media.

But if you think I (and the Microsoft subscription page) don't know what I'm talking about, feel free to ignore me. It's no skin off my nose. In fact, it's about time for me to go and do (for the fourth or fifth time) what you say I can't do. Thanks for reminding me!

[0] https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/pricing-details/

Edit: Fixed typo. added missing words.

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by LoganDark on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:07PM (#36639451)
> unless you use windows enterprise. Which of course you can't purchase..

I recently purchased a Windows 10 Enterprise key from a website called "RoyalCDKeys" for under $4. It worked to upgrade my Windows 11 installation.

Basically any reseller will work but only if they use a payment processor other than PayPal. PayPal will only end in misery and your money being lost.

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by abwizz on Saturday July 08, 2023 @03:43AM (#36642253)
"service channels" are not a thing anymore?
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stalfosknight on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:46PM (#36635495)
This should go without saying but this flagrant disregard for what users want is going to continue and get worse as long as people keep buying and using Windows. I wonder pretty often why people put themselves through this crap to use Windows.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by add-sub-mul-div on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:42PM (#36636499)
Because I'm an adult who knows how to weigh all the pros and cons of a situation and make decisions based on the sum of that reasoning rather than the emotion raised by one pain point. (My own or someone else's.)
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stalfosknight on Friday July 07, 2023 @05:21PM (#36638468)
Enjoy not having control over when or how your OS gets updated then.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by runesofdoom on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:20PM (#36636100)
A possibly illustrative example:

A year or three ago, my uncle (mid-50s, telco IT manager, started on a Commodore in the 80s) decided he'd try Mint instead of upgrading from Windows 7. He got it installed and running, and decided he wanted to burn an audio CD.

His install of Mint didn't come with any application to accomplish this. He got something recommended installed easily enough, but it only supported FLAC, not his MP3s. So he removed that and got some different CD burning software that did support his MP3s, but was set to Finnish by default. He got enough Finnish translated to get it changed to English, and then ran into some sort of driver/support issue for his particular CD burner.

At that point, he did the free upgrade to Windows 10 and then burned his CD in less total time than he'd spent not burning a CD via Mint.

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by vel0city on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:06PM (#36637616)
It has been a while for me since I last ran Mint, but back in the day it used to come with Brasero which can burn audio CDs. It would have supported mp3's, but he would of had to install the non-free codecs which was an option at install time or would have been installable from the settings.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Brasero

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/lates...

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by bacchusracine on Saturday July 08, 2023 @01:49PM (#36646819)
Ubuntu-Mate user here.

I can't speak for Linux Mint, but last few times I tried to use Brasero it was issue after issue after issue with some kind of lower level driver thing. I installed the missing libraries, still nothing. Tried searching for a fix and found nothing that could resolve my issue with Brasero. I installed K3B and it just worked, so that is what I do now.

Possibly the parent poster's uncle ran into something like this and gave up instead of trying a KDE application?

Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stalfosknight on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:12PM (#36637671)
And this is the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never come.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by olddustytrail on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:04PM (#36638888)
Because of quite possibly the dumbest anecdote I've ever heard? I'm not sure morons anonymous has much influence in the real world.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by beebeepka on Saturday July 08, 2023 @03:40AM (#36642239)
No kidding. Recycling anecdotes from 20 years ago.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by IntelMiner on Sunday July 09, 2023 @04:18AM (#36652652)
Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "everyone is making up problems, Linux is perfect!" is the other reason the "year of the Linux desktop" is never going to happen
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by pessimizer on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:01PM (#36635733)
Because that's what comes on computers, and that's what the software they need runs on. The obvious reasons. If you want to fix that, work in antitrust, work on getting at least governments and public schools to choose FOSS solutions, work on improving FOSS solutions, work on Debian installers...
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by stalfosknight on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:11PM (#36637658)
Windows didn't come preinstalled on my Mac.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by Dwedit on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:18PM (#36636061)
Windows Update Blocker works as a nuclear option to disable all updates.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by npteljes on Friday July 07, 2023 @02:56PM (#36636715)
I'm solving this for myself with Windows 10 LTSC, which I keep activated with an activation emulator I host. For a professional, it was super easy to setup, virtually zero maintenance, and I get a pass on at least a good chunk of the bullshit that goes on in the MS-verse. Functionality doesn't seem to be lost, but I just use it to play my multiplayer games because of their Windows-only rootkit, I mean, anti-cheat.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by dmitrygr on Friday July 07, 2023 @06:14PM (#36638983)
Use registry editor to export And then delete wupdsvc and waasMedicSvc services. (HKLM/system/currentControlSet/Services) Reboot. Enjoy. Whenever you want updates, double click exported β€œreg” file and reboot. Allow updates to install. Delete services again.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by p0w3n3d on Friday July 07, 2023 @07:16PM (#36639515)
You are the beta tester. While you're using "your" windows, you're performing a task as an unofficial employee. If something is free for you, you are the product that is sold.
Re:Windows Update Restored: Fix Windows Update on Windows 95... by doodlesdev on Saturday July 08, 2023 @12:22PM (#36645879)
Windows is not free.