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Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by quaintdev on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:20AM (#36532986)
Why we don't use glassware? It's perfect for food.

1. Easy for cleaning

2. Good glass container will look new for years with proper washing

3. It breaks. So it requires full attention of person handling it. We all want to live in present moment, don't we? Use glassware and you will be in the present moment more often ;)

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by nervousvarun on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:22AM (#36533008)
Maybe I'm in the minority but we (and everyone else we seem to interact with) use pyrex.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by gumby on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:44AM (#36533196)
Dishes marketed under the Pyrex name are no longer borosilicates. The brand name was sold off (and in fact the company that bought it was recently discussed in HN as they also bought Instant Pot, and have gone bankrupt).
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:56AM (#36533317)
True, which is why any buyer must search for glassware that is said to be "borosilicate" and not search for "Pyrex", which has become a meaningless trademark.

When you hold it in the hand, real borosilicate glassware is very easy to distinguish from other glassware, because it is noticeably less heavy.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by 88913527 on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:51AM (#36533946)
It's unclear what the advantages of borosilicate are from this discussion. Is it merely the lightness? Either-or would seem to solve the problem of microplastic release on microwaving.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by least on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:02AM (#36534107)
We use plastic containers largely for convenience. They're durable, malleable, and don't shatter like glass. They're also lighter and thinner, and cheaper. This makes them useful for things like takeout containers or any situation where you need to transport food.

Borosilicate is more durable than regular glass. It's generally less prone to shattering, and it's also more tolerant of rapid temperature changes.

As far as microplastics go, I don't think it's any better than regular glass, but its properties do make it more suitable for the things we may want to replace plastic for.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by joecool1029 on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:40AM (#36534707)
> Borosilicate is more durable than regular glass.

In general. But less durable from physical shock (not temperature shock) than tempered soda lime glass which is what new pyrex is.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by DropInIn on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:18PM (#36555337)
No.

New pyrex Is Not Boro.

Pipe makers used to show off their boro pipes by Throwing them at the ground.... Something you could never dream of doing with traditional glass (soda lime).

Why do you folks keep saying this?

At least google it first.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by joecool1029 on Saturday July 01, 2023 @08:31PM (#36556869)
> No.

Yes.

> New pyrex Is Not Boro.

I never made the claim that it was. I was very clear and said tempered soda lime glass is more resistant to physical shock than regular borosilicate glass. I am not comparing borosilicate glass to regular soda lime glass. I've cracked a Chemex before dropping it too hard on a counter. I had a tempered glass coffee table when I was a kid and that survived kids standing on it, plates dropped on it, you name it.

> Why do you folks keep saying this?

Personal experience and articles like this: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/tempered-vs-borosili...

> At least google it first.

At least learn to properly read what I wrote.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by DropInIn on Sunday July 02, 2023 @02:02AM (#36558685)
I may have replied to your comment as though it was an adjacent one.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by jjoonathan on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:59AM (#36535029)
> Borosilicate is more durable than regular glass. It's generally less prone to shattering, and it's also more tolerant of rapid temperature changes.

You sure about that? I always heard that borosilicate was significantly less durable (30% is the figure I remember, not sure if that's 30% less or 70% less) and all the thermal shock resistance came from lowering the CTE.

I don't know if that was a half truth from a soda-lime salesman or if nostalgia googles are giving borosilicate credit it does not deserve.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by elif on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:48AM (#36535853)
A couple decades ago the employee at my local headshop raised the pipe I was looking at to shoulder level, and dropped it onto the wood floor. When it emerged entirely unscathed it felt like a magic trick and he said "it's pyrex" and ever since then I truly believe the material is magic.

That pipe lasted 20+ years until I lost it, meanwhile I broke at least 10 pipes of thicker normal glass. I dropped it in the sink and on the floor countless numbers of times when I braced myself for the sad cleanup, but it always survived.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by code_duck on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:18AM (#36536482)
What pipes did you have made from “normal glass”? If they were blown pipes that contacted heat, they were almost surely borosilicate (Pyrex/Simax/Duran/Kimax) as well. The only smoking items typically made from soda lime are water pipes which use a removable slide, which is borosilicate. (I was a boro glassblower for about 15 years).
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:39AM (#36536954)
There are more than two decades since I use only glass vessels for cooking, eating, drinking or storing food, so I have been using many dozens of them.

About half of the glassware that I have been using has been from borosilicate glass and the other half from tempered soda-lime glass. I would have used only borosilicate glass, but it is more difficult to find every size and shape that one may want in borosilicate glass.

Even if not frequently, glassware has been dropped from time to time on floors or in kitchen sinks. Such shocks would have shattered traditional glass, but in most cases both borosilicate glass and tempered soda-lime glass survive.

From an approximately equal number of shocks during the years, I have broken a single borosilicate glass object, a double-walled drinking glass with extremely thin walls, while I have broken somewhere between six and ten tempered glass objects.

The only reason why someone may say that for a certain type of glassware borosilicate glass may be less durable is because it is frequent to make borosilicate glassware with thinner walls, because of its better toughness, while the objects made of tempered glass are invariably made with thick walls, to reduce the risk of breakage.

At equal wall thickness, there is no way for a tempered glass object to be more durable than a borosilicate object.

Moreover I have never seen a borosilicate glass object damaged by thermal shock, but I have broken a tempered glass teapot when attempting to cool it after boiling water in it.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by DropInIn on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:16PM (#36555323)
Ask any glass worker

Boro got heavy use in scientific glassware for more than one reason (durability, neutrality, etc)

Soda-Lime glass is the standard glass your think of and it's weak af.

Pipe makers would show off their Boro pipes by throwing them at the ground and having them bounce and stay intact.... Theres a reason that was the way to show off the product compared to traditional glass pipes...

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by Filligree on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:56AM (#36534013)
It doesn’t shatter due to thermal shock.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reportingsjr on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:37AM (#36535685)
As mentioned, it handles large temperature swings better than the more common soda lime glass. This can be useful if you have say a casserole in a glass dish that you prepped and stored in the fridge or freezer. When you go to bake it, if you have a borosilicate dish, you can take it out and put it straight in the oven. Soda lime glass has a much higher chance of shattering if you do this.

The downside of borosilicate that no one seems to mention is that it is a good bit more fragile when it comes to mechanical shocks. So, if you accidentally hit it with something while it's in the sink, there is a much higher chance that it shatters there.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by joecool1029 on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:32AM (#36534565)
I think old pyrex with borosilicate is always allcaps PYREX, new pyrex uses lowercase.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by ClumsyPilot on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:24AM (#36533644)
> discussed in HN as they also bought Instant Pot, and have gone bankrupt

For the past 15 years there has been a trend of private equity buying brands and destroying them.

Why does this keep making them money? What is this "failure capitalism"?

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by philipov on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:37AM (#36533784)
You can extract a lot of money from a company by torching its reputation. It takes people a while to catch on that they can't trust a company anymore. Buy a company, remove all the costs that give them their competitive advantage, then profit off the reputational arbitrage until it's burned to the ground.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by geden on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:15AM (#36534279)
And there was me thinking I opposed the death penalty.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by littlestymaar on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:38AM (#36533791)
It's more complicated than that: in Europe, the brand has been licensed to La Maison française du verre (which is the latest name of a company that has changed names many times in the past decades) which is still selling borosilicate dishes.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:53AM (#36533281)
Dishes marketed under the Pyrex name are no longer borosilicates.

They're still glass (tempered soda–lime glass), which is what the OP was talking about, so you're just being needlessly pedantic without adding anything to the discussion.

Also, Pyrex is still borosilicate in Europe, since soda-lime is hard to get there.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:05AM (#36533404)
Tempered soda-lime glass is still preferable as a food-contact material to almost anything else, but it is much less pleasant to use than borosilicate glass, because it is much heavier and if you abuse it the tempered glass cracks relatively easily (e.g. if after boiling water in a tempered glass teapot you immerse it for cooling in cold water from the tap, the chances of cracking are high, while a borosilicate glass teapot is impervious to such a treatment; I know this from personal experience with both kinds of teapots).
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by vel0city on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:53AM (#36534929)
Most of my glass containers don't experience those kinds of thermal shocks though, at least non-baking glasses. Most of the containers I'm thinking about which these days have a "pyrex" brand are food containers and measuring cups which might get microwaved. True, if I've got a nice glass casserole dish I might want that to be able to handle the "go from the freezer to a 400F oven in an instant" but most of my glass isn't like that.

In that case, I'm not sure whether the borosilicate is obviously the better choice. My biggest concerns is not having the container break in my lunchbox rather than the thermal shock. Which is generally more durable to physical shocks, borosilicate or tempered soda-lime? And then, for the given durability, which is more cost effective?

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @12:01PM (#36537377)
Both borosilicate glass and tempered glass are much more resistant to shocks like dropping on a floor than traditional glass.

The chances of being not damaged by a shock depend both on the material and on the wall thickness.

Because they are intrinsically less resistant, the tempered glass objects are typically made with thicker walls.

The end result is that the borosilicate glass objects with thin walls have about the same mechanical shock resistance like the tempered glass objects with thick walls.

Nevertheless, because the soda-lime glass has greater density than borosilicate glass, combined with the fact that the tempered glass objects have thicker walls, makes the tempered glass objects much heavier.

Their great weight makes the tempered glass objects more prone to being dropped during handling.

The borosilicate glassware is more expensive, but the difference is not significant, especially for objects that may remain usable for an entire human lifetime, if used carefully. I have never hesitated to buy some borosilicate glassware because it was too expensive. The main problem has always been that there are few suppliers so it may be difficult to find the exact size and shape that you search.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday June 30, 2023 @02:12PM (#36539601)
Tempered soda-lime is more durable to physical shocks, borosilicate is more durable to thermal shocks.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by littlestymaar on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:42AM (#36533838)
> Also, Pyrex is still borosilicate in Europe, since soda-lime is hard to get there.

How is soda-lime glass “hard to get”? The main reason why it's still borosilicate here is because the brand has been licensed to a different company, and their management hasn't chose to stop selling borosilicate.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @01:28PM (#36538865)
How is soda-lime glass “hard to get”?

I'm just going by what Wikipedia says:

"Since the closure of the soda–lime plant in England in 2007, European Pyrex has been made solely from borosilicate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adhesive_wombat on Friday June 30, 2023 @05:04PM (#36542255)
There are more glass factories in Europe than the one in Sunderland that Arc themselves closed down in 2007.

Something like 30 million plus of glass was made in the EU27 in 2007 in over 200 facilities, nearly all of it would be soda lime glass (i.e. "normal glass"). https://climate.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2016-11/bm_study-g...

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:41AM (#36535742)
Soda lime glass isn't hard to get, it's the "default" glass used around the world for everything from drinking glasses to window panes. If you buy a can of sauce or bottle of wine, that's almost certainly soda lime glass.

In Europe, Pyrex still uses borosilicate glass because it's better and because Europeans are more discerning consumers than Americans. That's my theory anyway. American pyrex cheaped out by switching to soda lime glass.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @01:26PM (#36538841)
In Europe, Pyrex still uses borosilicate glass because it's better and because Europeans are more discerning consumers than Americans

Wikipedia disagrees with you:

"Since the closure of the soda–lime plant in England in 2007, European Pyrex has been made solely from borosilicate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Saturday July 01, 2023 @11:19AM (#36551057)
That doesn't seem to contradict me; maybe they closed the soda-lime glass pyrex plant because those product models weren't selling as well?

Europe makes huge quantities of soda lime glass for a myriad of other applications, soda lime glass simply isn't hard to get in Europe. Wine bottles to windows, all that stuff is soda lime glass; borosilicate glass is a specialized glass that isn't used for most things besides cookware, labware, and sometimes lenses.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adhesive_wombat on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:27AM (#36536683)
> soda-lime is hard to get there

We do have glass in some of the windows, you know.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by handsclean on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:35AM (#36535637)
I believe the new material isn’t less food safe, it just trades some thermal shock resistance for impact resistance.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:37AM (#36535673)
Soda lime glass isn't ideal for cooking, but I've never had a problem with soda lime glass bowls in the microwave. Any manner of bowl, from covered glass bowls in the pyrex style to small glass bowls meant for serving soup/etc, none has ever shattered in the microwave.

I wouldn't want to trust my casserole in the oven to soda lime glass though. Best to have real pyrex aka borosilicate glass for that.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by lost_tourist on Friday June 30, 2023 @06:56PM (#36543669)
Not as good but they still work, been using it for years. It's especially safe for microwaving.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:49AM (#36533250)
The problem with modern Pyrex and similar glassware is that it usually comes with a plastic lid.

I'm with you in that I only use glassware to store food. But it's a bit annoying to have to put a little plate on top of the Pyrex as a makeshift lid in the microwave.

My wife has an extensive collection of vintage Pyrex with lids, but she doesn't trust they're microwave safe.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by soderfoo on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:38AM (#36533794)
Rather than putting a plate on top in the microwave, I have resorted to using a lightly dampened paper towel, gets the job done just as well and one less dish for me to clean.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by amanaplanacanal on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:48AM (#36535863)
Now I’m curious about the wet-strength resins in paper towels. Are they safe?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by soderfoo on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:55AM (#36537256)
FWIW the USDA says plain paper towels are fine to wrap food while microwaving [1]. But I agree with the notion of wanting to minimize exposing food to toxins. I try to limit my microwave usage all together and prefer the oven for reheating food.

[1] https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and...

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hnlmorg on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:17AM (#36533521)
There's plenty of places that sell glass dishes with glass lids. I hadn't even heard that plastic lids were thing until I read your post so had a look on Amazon and even on there it seemed to be ~50/50 mix of plastic and glass lids.

You don't need to go vintage either. The Pyrex dish I bought around 5 years ago, to replace another Pyrex dish that I accidentally dropped, came with a glass lid. And the set it was replacing, which was maybe around 10 to 15 years old, had glass lids too.

As for being microwave safe, I thought the whole point of Pyrex dishes were that they could be thrown in the oven, microwave, under a grill and pretty much everywhere? Or does this vintage set have visible signs of age, which makes you concerned?

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by eljimmy on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:16AM (#36533517)
Why not use a paper towel?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by kevin_thibedeau on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:07AM (#36533428)
> but she doesn't trust they're microwave safe.

The glass or the printing? Mine have survived without issue.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by goda90 on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:05AM (#36533408)
Remove the lid before heating.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by littlestymaar on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:44AM (#36533855)
What's the problem with the plastic lid in the microwave? As long as it doesn't touch the food shouldn't you be perfectly fine?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by Wolfenstein98k on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @09:52AM (#36586663)
Water accumulates oh the lid (steam), then eventually drips off into the food with all the microwaved-plastic goodies.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by jalk on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:53AM (#36533282)
What do you cover the containers with? The plastic covers that comes with pyrex doesn't seems to be anything special.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by robbiep on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:20AM (#36533568)
That’s silicone - and (after a quick fact check) essentially inert biologically
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by saiya-jin on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:06AM (#36534150)
If its really inert, why isn't whole container made of it?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by r2_pilot on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:18AM (#36534323)
Some containers are. I have bought reusable silicone sandwich bags that you can freeze or put in the oven(up to 450 degrees F) if you leave the bag unsealed.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by robbiep on Friday June 30, 2023 @05:58PM (#36542964)
I also have entire silicone containers (work well for avocados etc)
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by ikekkdcjkfke on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:34AM (#36533113)
Ikea glass containers are sturdy
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by G234323 on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:41AM (#36533165)
yep, can confirm, have been using them for years and didn't break a single one. I bring them to rally events and other sites without issue.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by camtarn on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:58AM (#36533331)
We've managed to crack one - no idea how, since they're never treated particularly roughly - but even then, it didn't fully break. I'm definitely a fan.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by quickthrower2 on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:35AM (#36533115)
I can break glassware even when paying attention.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by imdsm on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:36AM (#36533131)
Stop throwing it so quickly
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by justinsaything on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:35AM (#36533756)
That usually means the person is an idiot.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by tetromino_ on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:17AM (#36534314)
Or clumsy. Or a small child. Clumsy people and small children still need to eat, though.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by dylan604 on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:29AM (#36534518)
This would be a good incentive to keep the floors clean so the food is not wasted
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by justinsaything on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:00AM (#36535048)
One of them is synonymous. Clumsiness is a learned (or lack of) behavior, whereas children can be taught to be mindful of their actions. As a child who grew up in a poor Eastern European family, I was punished for my clumsiness, which led me to become an adult who pays attention to what he does. While I empathize with individuals who have significant cognitive deficits, I generally have absolutely no tolerance for those who do not make an effort to be mindful of their actions.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by amanaplanacanal on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:51AM (#36535915)
I’m pretty sure my clumsiness just came with my ASD.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by justinsaything on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:08AM (#36536261)
Assuming it was diagnosed by your doctor, it falls under the 'cognitive deficits' section in my previous comment. Even so, it doesn't excuse one from at least trying.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by tom_ on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:06AM (#36536202)
And yet here you are, doing this.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by justinsaything on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:15AM (#36536393)
Guess someone in that category felt called out. You might need to pay attention to what others say, not what you think they say.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by quickthrower2 on Friday June 30, 2023 @03:43PM (#36541065)
Or has health issues
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by moffkalast on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:21AM (#36532998)
Some of us do use it. It just has the slight problem of weighing 200 tons which makes it mildly impractical for anything but use at home.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by devoutsalsa on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:26AM (#36533051)
At least we don’t know our neighbors anymore. We wouldn’t want to get invited to a potluck, bring our scalloped potatoes in a Pyrex dish, leave the leftovers with the host, and never got our dish back.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by slashdev on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:44AM (#36533189)
Mmmm. Cheesy scalloped potatoes. I haven’t had that for a long time. One of my most treasured possessions is a folded piece of paper on which my mom hand wrote her cheesy scalloped potatoes recipe for me.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by kevincox on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:54AM (#36533299)
On the other hand I find that they tend to close tight and be robust. So they are great for throwing in backpacks. Without care most plastic containers will flex and pop open. The weight isn't much issue for one or two containers in a backpack. Health concerns aside a sturdy plastic container would likely be the best option here, lighter and more durable (think Nalgene bottle quality) but those are very hard to find.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by moffkalast on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:16AM (#36533511)
For travelling I think something like a stainless steel food jar makes more sense since it's light, has an even more robust screw seal, and is easier to hold when eating. Not as cheap though.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:57AM (#36533327)
It just has the slight problem of weighing 200 tons which makes it mildly impractical for anything but use at home.

And yet, somehow it was the standard method of operation for more than half a century before plastic bowls became widely available.

I feel bad for those poor 1940's housewives, all hunched over and disfigured from dragging 200 tons of Corningware to the church potluck supper.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:21AM (#36533597)
Borosilicate glass is much less heavy.

Unfortunately, borosilicate glassware is more difficult to find, so even if I would like to use it exclusively, besides some borosilicate items like teapots, double-wall glasses for hot or cold drinks, glass vessels with glass lids for microwave cooking, I still use other heavier items made of tempered glass, e.g. bowls, other sizes of vessels for microwave cooking and rectangular vessels with glass lids for storing food in the refrigerator.

You are right that I normally do not carry food away from home in tempered glass vessels and this is the only purpose for which I use polypropylene boxes, but when I have a borosilicate vessel of suitable size I do not hesitate to use it. Even if it is not so light as PP, the weight is manageable.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by ClumsyPilot on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:37AM (#36536923)
Stainless steel
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by LoveMortuus on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:29AM (#36533079)
1. Cleaning doesn't really change much if it's plastic or glass. 2. With proper care, I agree, they'll look new/good for many years. Plastics can too, but to a lesser degree. 3. It breaks.

4. Glassware usually costs more. 5. Knowing that I can't break the tub of food that I have in my bag just because I accidentally dropped my bag, releases me of a lot of stress and worry.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that plastics are toxic, but when I go to the store I always look at the prices and pick the cheapest option available, I wish I had the option of just being able to take what looks nice and pay without even knowing how much I pay, but sadly I can't, _yet_, afford that.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by krzyk on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:34AM (#36533109)
> Cleaning doesn't really change much if it's plastic or glass.

It does, plastic has similar structure to oil and it is a PITA to clean oil from plastic containers.

From glass/metal it is very easy.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by piva00 on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:35AM (#36533123)
> 1. Cleaning doesn't really change much if it's plastic or glass.

I had multiple plastic containers stained forever after storing pasta sauce in them, that never happened to any of my glass containers.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by buu709 on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:54AM (#36533293)
If you just go for the cheapest anyways, why are you buying containers at all? I'm in a position that I can afford whatever containers I like, and I use glass for anything that'll be reheated but use plastic for freezing. We re-use butter/yogurt/sour cream containers, and after 2-3 uses toss them in the recycling.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by thomastjeffery on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:47AM (#36533225)
Glass gets very hot in the microwave. Hot enough to burn skin.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:54AM (#36533300)
Glass gets very hot in the microwave. Hot enough to burn skin.

So does plastic.

Also, it's a microwave oven. Who thinks that you can stick your hands on something in a device called an "oven" and not get burned?

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hospitalJail on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:53AM (#36533969)
Thermal conductivity is drastically different.

Plastic with a brim is going to be cool, where glass with a brim will be hot.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by jacobwilliamroy on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:23AM (#36534399)
There are materials which are "transparent" to microwaves and don't get hot in the microwave oven but I can't remember which ones. And glass definitely isn't one of them.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @12:16PM (#36537650)
Glass is mostly transparent to microwaves, which is why all microwave ovens include glass plates.

The reason why glass vessels become hotter in a microwave oven is because glass has a much higher thermal conductivity than plastic, so it becomes heated from the hot food.

Using two pieces of cloth (e.g. cut from a small towel) to hold the hot glass vessel is enough to take it safely out of the oven and this negligible inconvenience matters much less than the undesirable effects of heating food in a plastic vessel.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by jacobwilliamroy on Friday June 30, 2023 @02:36PM (#36539997)
Agreed. My anxiety is already so high I should probably talk to a doctor about it. I just do all my cooking with glass or steel or wood just so I can have 1 less thing to be worried about.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by thomastjeffery on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:39AM (#36535712)
Not in my experience, it doesn't.

I put my bare hands inside a microwave and pick up the paper or plastic from inside all the time!

The entire point of using a microwave is convenience. If I'm going to have to break out the oven mitts, I may as well just use the oven or an air fryer.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by nathias on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:59AM (#36533339)
> We all want to live in present moment, don't we?

not at all

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hospitalJail on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:52AM (#36533958)
It burns your hands when its soup.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by quaintdev on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:48AM (#36534848)
Maybe they should have wooden handles to hold or bottom part made of wood.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hospitalJail on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:06AM (#36535150)
Sure, but now its not dishwasher safe because mold.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:44AM (#36535784)
Mold is the reason wood isn't dishwasher safe? Dishwashers get very hot, I thought they damage wood by steaming it. But shouldn't the steam kill the mold?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hnlmorg on Friday June 30, 2023 @02:21PM (#36539756)
I have lots of wooden kitchenwear, all of which gets put in the dishwasher regularly and none of which has gone mouldy.

I also tend to wash a lower heat if that makes any difference. Though I can’t see why it should.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by hospitalJail on Saturday July 01, 2023 @10:32AM (#36550515)
Anecdotes aren't data.

You should google this stuff btw, you may have mold/bacteria growing inside your wooden stuff.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by floren on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:27AM (#36536674)
My mother has a casserole dish which slips into a rattan sleeve with little leather lifting handles. You can then carry it to the table, pass it around, etc. without burning your hands. It's held up for my entire lifetime so the design seems pretty solid.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by JimiofEden on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:10AM (#36535228)
I have a number of fabric bowl cozies that can go in with the bowl so I can pull it out easily and it doesn't burn my hands. Do recommend
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by kyriakos on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:24AM (#36534417)
Most glass containers have plastic lids. That's the only issue I have with them, otherwise its glass all the way.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by cmrdporcupine on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:08AM (#36535178)
The plastic containers we have here that we use for leftovers and microwaving are fine, but they actually have plastic rimmed lids, to hold a seal.

I am not sure how you'd get away from that, it's actually very hard to find anything that isn't like that on the market these days.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by lukeinator42 on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:57AM (#36536022)
For Christmas I got a set of Anyday microwaveable dishes. They've been awesome! They're made out of glass with a stainless steel and silicone seal on the lid for steaming.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by criddell on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:08AM (#36536262)
Are there any problems with putting the stainless steel lid in the microwave? Is the silicone not subject to the microplastic shedding problem?
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by trallnag on Friday June 30, 2023 @03:32PM (#36540895)
How do you seal glass containers?