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Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:53AM (#36533281)
Dishes marketed under the Pyrex name are no longer borosilicates.

They're still glass (tempered soda–lime glass), which is what the OP was talking about, so you're just being needlessly pedantic without adding anything to the discussion.

Also, Pyrex is still borosilicate in Europe, since soda-lime is hard to get there.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:05AM (#36533404)
Tempered soda-lime glass is still preferable as a food-contact material to almost anything else, but it is much less pleasant to use than borosilicate glass, because it is much heavier and if you abuse it the tempered glass cracks relatively easily (e.g. if after boiling water in a tempered glass teapot you immerse it for cooling in cold water from the tap, the chances of cracking are high, while a borosilicate glass teapot is impervious to such a treatment; I know this from personal experience with both kinds of teapots).
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by vel0city on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:53AM (#36534929)
Most of my glass containers don't experience those kinds of thermal shocks though, at least non-baking glasses. Most of the containers I'm thinking about which these days have a "pyrex" brand are food containers and measuring cups which might get microwaved. True, if I've got a nice glass casserole dish I might want that to be able to handle the "go from the freezer to a 400F oven in an instant" but most of my glass isn't like that.

In that case, I'm not sure whether the borosilicate is obviously the better choice. My biggest concerns is not having the container break in my lunchbox rather than the thermal shock. Which is generally more durable to physical shocks, borosilicate or tempered soda-lime? And then, for the given durability, which is more cost effective?

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adrian_b on Friday June 30, 2023 @12:01PM (#36537377)
Both borosilicate glass and tempered glass are much more resistant to shocks like dropping on a floor than traditional glass.

The chances of being not damaged by a shock depend both on the material and on the wall thickness.

Because they are intrinsically less resistant, the tempered glass objects are typically made with thicker walls.

The end result is that the borosilicate glass objects with thin walls have about the same mechanical shock resistance like the tempered glass objects with thick walls.

Nevertheless, because the soda-lime glass has greater density than borosilicate glass, combined with the fact that the tempered glass objects have thicker walls, makes the tempered glass objects much heavier.

Their great weight makes the tempered glass objects more prone to being dropped during handling.

The borosilicate glassware is more expensive, but the difference is not significant, especially for objects that may remain usable for an entire human lifetime, if used carefully. I have never hesitated to buy some borosilicate glassware because it was too expensive. The main problem has always been that there are few suppliers so it may be difficult to find the exact size and shape that you search.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday June 30, 2023 @02:12PM (#36539601)
Tempered soda-lime is more durable to physical shocks, borosilicate is more durable to thermal shocks.
Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by littlestymaar on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:42AM (#36533838)
> Also, Pyrex is still borosilicate in Europe, since soda-lime is hard to get there.

How is soda-lime glass “hard to get”? The main reason why it's still borosilicate here is because the brand has been licensed to a different company, and their management hasn't chose to stop selling borosilicate.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @01:28PM (#36538865)
How is soda-lime glass “hard to get”?

I'm just going by what Wikipedia says:

"Since the closure of the soda–lime plant in England in 2007, European Pyrex has been made solely from borosilicate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adhesive_wombat on Friday June 30, 2023 @05:04PM (#36542255)
There are more glass factories in Europe than the one in Sunderland that Arc themselves closed down in 2007.

Something like 30 million plus of glass was made in the EU27 in 2007 in over 200 facilities, nearly all of it would be soda lime glass (i.e. "normal glass"). https://climate.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2016-11/bm_study-g...

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Friday June 30, 2023 @10:41AM (#36535742)
Soda lime glass isn't hard to get, it's the "default" glass used around the world for everything from drinking glasses to window panes. If you buy a can of sauce or bottle of wine, that's almost certainly soda lime glass.

In Europe, Pyrex still uses borosilicate glass because it's better and because Europeans are more discerning consumers than Americans. That's my theory anyway. American pyrex cheaped out by switching to soda lime glass.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by reaperducer on Friday June 30, 2023 @01:26PM (#36538841)
In Europe, Pyrex still uses borosilicate glass because it's better and because Europeans are more discerning consumers than Americans

Wikipedia disagrees with you:

"Since the closure of the soda–lime plant in England in 2007, European Pyrex has been made solely from borosilicate."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by mcpackieh on Saturday July 01, 2023 @11:19AM (#36551057)
That doesn't seem to contradict me; maybe they closed the soda-lime glass pyrex plant because those product models weren't selling as well?

Europe makes huge quantities of soda lime glass for a myriad of other applications, soda lime glass simply isn't hard to get in Europe. Wine bottles to windows, all that stuff is soda lime glass; borosilicate glass is a specialized glass that isn't used for most things besides cookware, labware, and sometimes lenses.

Re:Microwaved plastic containers release microplastics into ... by adhesive_wombat on Friday June 30, 2023 @11:27AM (#36536683)
> soda-lime is hard to get there

We do have glass in some of the windows, you know.