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Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:42PM (#35990585)
This release is more relevant as there have been very many fake ChatGPT apps that leveraged OpenAI's branding.

Case in point, the App Store release app subtitle is "The official app by OpenAI"

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by valgaze on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:06PM (#35990974)
Can't find the chart, but several of those wrapper apps made $1MMs in revenue too

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fake-chatgpt-apps-raking-tho...

The Chart: https://i.imgur.com/IYC0Pcb.png

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by startupsfail on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:21PM (#35991224)
Interesting, yes, that make sense, there should be resellers. It is not clear how much of that money ended up going to Apple and paying for the OpenAI API access.

Is Apple going to get their cut from the paying customers of OpenAI, by the way?

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by linhns on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:27PM (#35991300)
If they are probably they won't say it
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by scarface74 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:54PM (#35996851)
Why is act like it’s some great conspiracy? If you subscribe through the App Store, Apple gets 30%. If you don’t, Apple won’t.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by JimDabell on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:06AM (#35997609)
> If you subscribe through the App Store, Apple gets 30%.

15%. The only companies that pay 30% are the ones earning over a million dollars a year from things other than long-term subscriptions.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by nicky0 on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:41AM (#35997828)
I’ve got a feeling OpenAI is going to be doing more than 1 million a year
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by freedomben on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:14AM (#35998036)
Want that only on year 2 though? First year at 30%. Regardless I expect open ai to do well over a million or year
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by czottmann on Friday May 19, 2023 @03:02PM (#36005636)
No, you can apply for the 15% fee, a.k.a. the App Store Small Business Program, right from the start.

> If your proceeds surpass the 1 million USD threshold in the current calendar year, you will no longer be eligible for the program and the standard commission rate will apply to your future sales.

Source: I did it myself two months ago, no problem.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:47PM (#35992369)
no. and you won’t be able to start paying from inside the app.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by samyok on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:18PM (#35992751)
You can start a ChatGPT Plus subscription from inside the linked app.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:47PM (#35993129)
Then “yes” and now we know something about openai margins
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by startupsfail on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:57PM (#35992492)
It seems rather unwise of Apple to invite that OpenAI/Plugin marketplace without some kind of an agreement.

No plugins right now in the App, but they’ll be coming, no?

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:02PM (#35992558)
Why would they do something special? This already exists. Apple is fine with it as long as they don’t solicit payment in the app / direct users outside the app.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by AdamJacobMuller on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:44PM (#35995922)
Plugins work fine in the app. It’s just a nice webview basically.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by Aulig on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:29PM (#35995772)
You must be able to start the subscription from inside the app:

3.1.3(b) Multiplatform Services: Apps that operate across multiple platforms may allow users to access content, subscriptions, or features they have acquired in your app on other platforms or your web site, including consumable items in multi-platform games, provided those items are also available as in-app purchases within the app.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:50PM (#35995979)
hi, thanks for pasting rules but you've just got it wrong. they don't need to and that's not what those rules mean.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by scarface74 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:55PM (#35996860)
But yet they do…
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:51PM (#35997174)
They do what? They do not need to. But they ARE, because they want to. You and the other simply misunderstand that Apple rule because it's written strangely. Do YOU have first hand experience with this rule? Go do your research.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by white_dragon88 on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:57AM (#35997934)
You need a chill pill.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by Aulig on Friday May 19, 2023 @04:09AM (#35999139)
Feel free to clarify what the rule means. I publish multiple apps per week and have encountered this rule enough times in exactly the way I mentioned it.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:22AM (#36002341)
look at Spotify, edtech products etc
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by scarface74 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:55PM (#35996858)
You mean you won’t be able to start the subscription from the app by clicking on the “Upgrade to ChatGPT Plus” right on the settings panel in the app?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:53PM (#35997188)
no
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by scarface74 on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:00AM (#35997953)
You realize you can subscribe within the app right?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:21AM (#36002324)
Ya
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by OkGoDoIt on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:34PM (#35997098)
If you actually check, they do offer subscriptions in the app. I just downloaded it and checked it out myself. Click the … icon, then Settings, then “Upgrade to ChatGPT Plus”. It’s the same price point as if you buy directly from OpenAI, but Apple gets 15% or 30%.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by hackernewds on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:03PM (#35992585)
Why not? Isn't that the business model of OpenAI? Provide access to the APIs for wrappers that are not their own products - simple as they may. Bradgpt comes to mind
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by mahathu on Thursday May 18, 2023 @08:06PM (#35996097)
What's BradGPT?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by abustamam on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:11PM (#35996545)
I was about to post a snarky let me Google that for you link, but I couldn't find anything relevant for bradgpt.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by jsight on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:14PM (#35996574)
Maybe a typo for Google Bard?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by asicsp on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:37PM (#35997115)
Probably "BratGPT: The evil older sibling of ChatGPT" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35971677
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by rats on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:18PM (#35994177)
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by tedmiston on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:56AM (#36003435)
Thanks, I was looking for the source.

Where are you getting this data from? How would any one site know the revenue numbers of multiple competing apps like that, with any degree of confidence?

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by rats on Sunday May 21, 2023 @01:20AM (#36018240)
appmagic.rocks

this is analytics service like appannie (data.ai), sensor tower etc. they plug into apps analytics and collect data for a lot of apps, extrapolating the collected data on all other apps. usually both revenue numbers and downloads are pretty spot on

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by moneywoes on Thursday May 18, 2023 @06:09PM (#35994834)
Did they ask for api keys? If not wouldn’t that cost a lot to profess requests
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by hospitalJail on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:56PM (#35990820)
>very many fake ChatGPT apps

But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by latexr on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:04PM (#35990938)
I don’t recall ever hearing Apple PR calling iOS a “walled garden”. Outside of tech I doubt most people would understand what that means. The operative word is “curated”.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by surgical_fire on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:16PM (#35991148)
So well curated, it seems.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by latexr on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:36PM (#35992970)
“Curated” means “selected by experts”, not “good”. You can expertly curate for what makes you the most money, above all other metrics.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by jsight on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:16PM (#35996588)
I'm pretty sure they advertised the curation as being for our benefit as users.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by alvah on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:43PM (#35996783)
I too am surprised to learn Apple PR have never used a mild pejorative to describe their own product.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by s3p on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:04PM (#35990940)
This adds nothing to the conversation.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by rgoulter on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:24PM (#35991259)
It's suggesting that "the prevalence of 'fake' ChatGPT apps on the App Store" undermines reasons Apple has used to defend everything having to be installed through the App Store & Apple's app review process (e.g. lack of side loading, or taking such a high percentage out of app-related purchases).
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by Someone on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:47PM (#35991568)
I’m not a 100% fan of having a single app store, but if those apps are ‘fake’ in quotes they aren’t really fake, ‘just’ confusingly named, are they?

If so, on what grounds could Apple deny them from being on the App Store?

Given the enormous amount of apps using trademarked names in their name or description, I also guess trademark owners cannot request Apple to remove those apps.

What Apple IMO should improve, though, is its search functionality.

For example, when I search for “company name product name” (examples: “Microsoft Excel”, “Apple Numbers”, “Google Maps”), the top hits should be “Microsoft Excel”, “Numbers”, respectively “Google Maps - Transit & Food” (what marketeer came up with that name? To me, that signals “not the real Google Maps”)

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by oefrha on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:09PM (#35991854)
There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least on surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made chat apps "powered by" ChatGPT and GPT-4. They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't.

So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by lancesells on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:18PM (#35991979)
> So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations.

I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:16PM (#35991943)
> They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't.

Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by oefrha on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:19PM (#35991984)
Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by JimDabell on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:14AM (#35997657)
This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by jameshart on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:46PM (#35992353)
Here’s an interesting real-time shift in language happening.

You just referred to these things as ‘chat apps’.

And that seems reasonable - they use a chat interface.

But they aren’t ‘chat apps’ as we would have understood them a few months ago. They don’t let you chat with people. They let you chat with an LLM.

Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by personjerry on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:52PM (#35992422)
The term "chatbot" has been around for a while so it's not really new to "chat" with a bot rather than a human
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:48PM (#35992381)
it changed the moment the product and api were named chatgpt …
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by alvah on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:42PM (#35996777)
"Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?"

Judging by the number of recently-launched apps that invite the user to "chat with PDFs" or "chat with documents", it would appear so.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by faizmokh on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:55PM (#35997199)
It's walled garden enough in that any developer that try to present their app to be associated with OpenAI or as an official app get their app rejected.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by clnq on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:53PM (#35990775)
There is probably no other reason to bring this app to iOS and Android. ChatGPT works very well as a PWA added to home screens.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:57PM (#35990844)
The typical nontech user doesn't know what a PWA is, which is why native apps in the App Store are still very important.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by clnq on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:09PM (#35991031)
I think most of the OpenAI's target audience must be technical enough to know they can access websites on a smartphone and bookmark them in some way.

They probably just want to fight abuse/spam/fraud/scams that are on the App Store/Play store so that it would stop devaluing their brand. "ChatGPT charged my card $299 without permission, I am going to the press!" is a disaster waiting to happen with these scammy apps.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:30PM (#35991345)
The ChatGPT webapp audience is almost entirely nontechnical, which is the primary reason it went viral and so many people got fooled by fakes.

It is different from developers who are using the ChatGPT API to build apps.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wkat4242 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:26PM (#35992101)
Really? So many people tell me how great ChatGPT is at helping development and developers are pretty much by definition technical people.

Also, the signup process is far from easy. People here often cry about how "difficult" it is to sign up for Mastodon or Matrix etc and that is why the mainstream don't use it. Yet this is the same :)

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:45PM (#35992347)
ChatGPT is great for nontechnical people and technical people!
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by robertlagrant on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:30PM (#35991342)
Not at all - loads of people use ChatGPT. Far, far more than would know about PWAs.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by gkoberger on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:56PM (#35990832)
I mostly agree, but the average person doesn't know that's even an option. They hear "You should use ChatGPT!" and they go straight to the app store to try it out.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by criddell on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:32PM (#35991376)
That's probably a good thing. When non-technical users go looking for free apps outside of any official app store, the chances of installing malware go way up.

source: I used to do tech support for my family

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by judah on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:09PM (#35991026)
Many non-technical users look for apps in the App Store.

That said, it's possible to package progressive web apps (PWAs) for listing in app stores: PWABuilder[0].

Disclaimer: I've worked on PWABuilder.

[0]: https://www.pwabuilder.com

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by williamstein on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:11PM (#35991061)
The in-app purchase to upgrade to plus is very smooth…
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by glitchc on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:19PM (#35991198)
Is the cancellation process just as smooth?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by williamstein on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:35PM (#35991413)
YES. It's extremely clear and easy, in multiple ways, both through the ChatGPT app and through the Subscriptions Tab in settings in iOS. This is one of those things that Apple does reasonable well, compared to some vendors.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by lern_too_spel on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:27PM (#35991308)
On Android, an app can replace the voice assistant, which a PWA cannot do. I agree that there doesn't seem to be any user benefit of a ChatGPT app on iOS.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by enraged_camel on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:26PM (#35991290)
How does that work with voice input? I assume dictation?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by williamstein on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:37PM (#35991439)
I'm not answering your question, but I just tried voice input on the ChatGPT iOS app. They integrate their whisper model to directly do speech recognition, and it is always broken for me, with "There was an unexpected error (API.API.APIError, 0)" on any input. Of course, I can also just type the mic and use the normal iOS text-to-speech in the input box, and that works fine.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by behnamoh on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:55PM (#35996859)
they would be better off sticking with Apple’s voice to text because it’s actually pretty good.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by redox99 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:46PM (#35991563)
ChatGPT is not a PWA, so it does not work very well if you do that. However I agree that if it were a PWA, it could work very well.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wkat4242 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:26PM (#35992088)
Does the PWA also log you out every few days like the regular website? That really annoys me so much. Every few days I type a question in the GPT tab I always have open, it realises I was kicked out and shows me the login screen. After logging in my question is gone and I have to type it again. Grrr..
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by grepfru_it on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:31PM (#35994338)
I’ve been using yakgpt as my go to chatgpt interface.. Does not have the problem you mention.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by danielrhodes on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:07PM (#35994070)
Honestly it would be great if PWAs worked better. It feels like it has been a half implemented solution. Not all features of Safari work inside a PWA, and it's unclear if you can now get push notifications. Having some access to device level features like you get with native through custom JS APIs would also be a huge win.

My understanding is that this might have been what Apple originally planned to do. However, the popularity of the App Store, IAP revenue, and the focus on services disincentivized them from pushing this route further.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by tristanb on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:45PM (#35990636)
its basically impossible to find via app store search.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by dag11 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:54PM (#35990779)
Yeah. I saw this announcement, and searched both "chatgpt" and "open ai" (sic, as auto-suggested) in the App Store and gave up scrolling looking for it. The unofficial app logos look waaaay closer to the ChatGPT logo than the official white logo does, and the SEO (ASO?) seems poor. Not sure what either party can do about it though, but it's a disappointing situation.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by SOLAR_FIELDS on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:41PM (#35991487)
Isn’t this what the Apple 30% tax is supposed to help pay for and facilitate? If it doesn’t solve this problem, what is its purpose and value?
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by notsrg on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:52PM (#35990761)
also had the same issue. Figured after the first page it would probably show up but I scrolled multiple pages and still nothing.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by elboru on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:55PM (#35990801)
There’s a direct link on the article. It’s not available in my country though. Or at least that’s the error message I got.

Update:

“We're starting our rollout in the US and will expand to additional countries in the coming weeks”

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by pb7 on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:50PM (#35990727)
It takes some time to index.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by Tagbert on Thursday May 18, 2023 @07:43PM (#35995909)
I just tried it and it was the first algorithmic listing. The first listing was for another app fir AI chat with a very familiar looking logo.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by DavideNL on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:29AM (#35998124)
Yea, AppStore search is terrible. I often revert to my webbrowser/search engine to search for AppStore apps, because i can't find them in the AppStore.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by danielrhodes on Thursday May 18, 2023 @05:01PM (#35994001)
My guess is OpenAI now has a case to ask Apple to remove these apps for trademark infringement and brand confusion. Obviously they can just rename themselves but keep the same functionality, but marketing themselves as ChatGPT is no longer going to fly.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by ra on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:43PM (#35996786)
I'm in Australia. Searching for "openai chatgpt" returns all those third-party wrappers, but not the official one.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by nevster on Thursday May 18, 2023 @11:02PM (#35997226)
Tried link from blog post - "App is currently not available in your country".

They say in the post they'll roll it out to other countries in the coming weeks.