Interesting, yes, that make sense, there should be resellers. It is not clear how much of that money ended up going to Apple and paying for the OpenAI API access.

Is Apple going to get their cut from the paying customers of OpenAI, by the way?

If they are probably they won't say it

Why is act like it’s some great conspiracy? If you subscribe through the App Store, Apple gets 30%. If you don’t, Apple won’t.

> If you subscribe through the App Store, Apple gets 30%.

15%. The only companies that pay 30% are the ones earning over a million dollars a year from things other than long-term subscriptions.

I’ve got a feeling OpenAI is going to be doing more than 1 million a year

Want that only on year 2 though? First year at 30%. Regardless I expect open ai to do well over a million or year

No, you can apply for the 15% fee, a.k.a. the App Store Small Business Program, right from the start.

> If your proceeds surpass the 1 million USD threshold in the current calendar year, you will no longer be eligible for the program and the standard commission rate will apply to your future sales.

Source: I did it myself two months ago, no problem.

no. and you won’t be able to start paying from inside the app.

You can start a ChatGPT Plus subscription from inside the linked app.

Then “yes” and now we know something about openai margins

It seems rather unwise of Apple to invite that OpenAI/Plugin marketplace without some kind of an agreement.

No plugins right now in the App, but they’ll be coming, no?

Why would they do something special? This already exists. Apple is fine with it as long as they don’t solicit payment in the app / direct users outside the app.

Plugins work fine in the app. It’s just a nice webview basically.

You must be able to start the subscription from inside the app:

3.1.3(b) Multiplatform Services: Apps that operate across multiple platforms may allow users to access content, subscriptions, or features they have acquired in your app on other platforms or your web site, including consumable items in multi-platform games, provided those items are also available as in-app purchases within the app.

hi, thanks for pasting rules but you've just got it wrong. they don't need to and that's not what those rules mean.

But yet they do…

They do what? They do not need to. But they ARE, because they want to. You and the other simply misunderstand that Apple rule because it's written strangely. Do YOU have first hand experience with this rule? Go do your research.

You need a chill pill.

Feel free to clarify what the rule means. I publish multiple apps per week and have encountered this rule enough times in exactly the way I mentioned it.

look at Spotify, edtech products etc

You mean you won’t be able to start the subscription from the app by clicking on the “Upgrade to ChatGPT Plus” right on the settings panel in the app?

no

You realize you can subscribe within the app right?

Ya

If you actually check, they do offer subscriptions in the app. I just downloaded it and checked it out myself. Click the … icon, then Settings, then “Upgrade to ChatGPT Plus”. It’s the same price point as if you buy directly from OpenAI, but Apple gets 15% or 30%.

Why not? Isn't that the business model of OpenAI? Provide access to the APIs for wrappers that are not their own products - simple as they may. Bradgpt comes to mind

What's BradGPT?

I was about to post a snarky let me Google that for you link, but I couldn't find anything relevant for bradgpt.

Maybe a typo for Google Bard?

Probably "BratGPT: The evil older sibling of ChatGPT" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35971677

this is my chart, from here https://twitter.com/andreyzagoruiko/status/16550461027381739...

Thanks, I was looking for the source.

Where are you getting this data from? How would any one site know the revenue numbers of multiple competing apps like that, with any degree of confidence?

appmagic.rocks

this is analytics service like appannie (data.ai), sensor tower etc. they plug into apps analytics and collect data for a lot of apps, extrapolating the collected data on all other apps. usually both revenue numbers and downloads are pretty spot on

Did they ask for api keys? If not wouldn’t that cost a lot to profess requests