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Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by hospitalJail on Thursday May 18, 2023 @12:56PM (#35990820)
>very many fake ChatGPT apps

But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by latexr on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:04PM (#35990938)
I don’t recall ever hearing Apple PR calling iOS a “walled garden”. Outside of tech I doubt most people would understand what that means. The operative word is “curated”.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by surgical_fire on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:16PM (#35991148)
So well curated, it seems.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by latexr on Thursday May 18, 2023 @03:36PM (#35992970)
“Curated” means “selected by experts”, not “good”. You can expertly curate for what makes you the most money, above all other metrics.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by jsight on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:16PM (#35996588)
I'm pretty sure they advertised the curation as being for our benefit as users.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by alvah on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:43PM (#35996783)
I too am surprised to learn Apple PR have never used a mild pejorative to describe their own product.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by s3p on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:04PM (#35990940)
This adds nothing to the conversation.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by rgoulter on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:24PM (#35991259)
It's suggesting that "the prevalence of 'fake' ChatGPT apps on the App Store" undermines reasons Apple has used to defend everything having to be installed through the App Store & Apple's app review process (e.g. lack of side loading, or taking such a high percentage out of app-related purchases).
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by Someone on Thursday May 18, 2023 @01:47PM (#35991568)
I’m not a 100% fan of having a single app store, but if those apps are ‘fake’ in quotes they aren’t really fake, ‘just’ confusingly named, are they?

If so, on what grounds could Apple deny them from being on the App Store?

Given the enormous amount of apps using trademarked names in their name or description, I also guess trademark owners cannot request Apple to remove those apps.

What Apple IMO should improve, though, is its search functionality.

For example, when I search for “company name product name” (examples: “Microsoft Excel”, “Apple Numbers”, “Google Maps”), the top hits should be “Microsoft Excel”, “Numbers”, respectively “Google Maps - Transit & Food” (what marketeer came up with that name? To me, that signals “not the real Google Maps”)

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by oefrha on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:09PM (#35991854)
There's nothing "fake" about those apps at least on surface level investigation: OpenAI sold access to the ChatGPT and GPT-4 API, so opportunistic people made chat apps "powered by" ChatGPT and GPT-4. They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't.

So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by lancesells on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:18PM (#35991979)
> So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations.

I recall about a month of Show HN being largely populated by this same soft of thing. I'm definitely not arguing with misrepresentation of an official OpenAI app but there's a lot of this happening inside and outside the app store.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by minimaxir on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:16PM (#35991943)
> They would be "fake" if they claim to be made by OpenAI, which they don't.

Very many did that or implied an association with OpenAI, which is why OpenAI had to release updated branding guidelines (https://openai.com/brand) and started enforcing takedowns against apps/domains using GPT in their name.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by oefrha on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:19PM (#35991984)
Sure, I was looking at the top apps just now. Apparently OpenAI is explicitly okay with WhateverChat powered by ChatGPT.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by JimDabell on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:14AM (#35997657)
This is pretty typical for the App Store / Play Store and isn’t anything particular to OpenAI. If there is a third-party service Foo that app Bar uses, then “Foo Bar” is questionable for trademark reasons and the common practice is to use “Bar for Foo” instead.
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by jameshart on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:46PM (#35992353)
Here’s an interesting real-time shift in language happening.

You just referred to these things as ‘chat apps’.

And that seems reasonable - they use a chat interface.

But they aren’t ‘chat apps’ as we would have understood them a few months ago. They don’t let you chat with people. They let you chat with an LLM.

Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by personjerry on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:52PM (#35992422)
The term "chatbot" has been around for a while so it's not really new to "chat" with a bot rather than a human
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by wahnfrieden on Thursday May 18, 2023 @02:48PM (#35992381)
it changed the moment the product and api were named chatgpt …
Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by alvah on Thursday May 18, 2023 @09:42PM (#35996777)
"Is the word ‘chat’ changing its meaning?"

Judging by the number of recently-launched apps that invite the user to "chat with PDFs" or "chat with documents", it would appear so.

Re:OpenAI Brings ChatGPT to iOS by faizmokh on Thursday May 18, 2023 @10:55PM (#35997199)
It's walled garden enough in that any developer that try to present their app to be associated with OpenAI or as an official app get their app rejected.