[0]Tik Tok and any other social media spyware in general.
It's important to note that it's not the "spyware" that they are banning; it's a media that they don't have full control over that they are banning. Wikileaks, for example, will be banned as a part of this.
I'm sorry, but that's not how this works. These other NATO countries are independent countries with their own legislature and parliaments, many of them bound more by EU rules than by current US tendencies or laws. Sure, the US might try to pressure NATO countries to follow suit, and some of them might, but it's far from given.
Banned in the UK & Germany (but only for 5G infra I think[0]) rest of NATO didn't pay strong attention.
[0]: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/huawei-legal-notices-issu...
https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/22/australia-bans-huawei-and-...
I don't think it's that straight forward. NATO countries, and especially European ones, have a legal system that doens't allow them to just ban a specific company.
MAYBE the NATO countries will start working towards legal amendments that will make it possible to ban it. It definitely won't be immediate.
The governments might ban TikTok's by their employees.
Which can be overruled by national security issues, I suppose.
That's the thing: TikTok is basically state-sponsored, Apple/Google approved spyware. I don't have a link handy, but I remember reading that security researchers found the tiktok android binary had the capability to receive code remotely and execute it, meaning that the CCP can make millions of Android phones do whatever they want, especially if the code uploaded includes exploits.
But how do you legislate against that sort of thing? Especially when Congress demonstrates how tech illiterate it is?
It's also clearly being used to attack our society and infrastructure via children with poor judgement and little to fear from our criminal justice system. The platform does not not moderate in the slightest any of the various "tiktok challenges", most of which are dangerous to both the participant and general public, as well as causing lots of expensive damage. They could block or de-emphasize any number of the tags used in these "challenges", but instead they seem to boost them.
So we have kids sticking forks into electrical sockets in their classrooms and destroying the bathrooms, breaking into Kias and joyriding them at insanely dangerous speeds, purposefully causing people to fall in the most dangerous way possible (kicking their feet out from under them so the brain's natural protective instincts can't protect the head from trauma)...the list just goes on and on.
Did anyone notice that damn near every single one of these tiktok challenges seems almost perfectly tailored to cause a lot of damage or injury, and utilizes a population which essentially has nothing to fear from criminal repercussions thanks to our criminal justice system sealing their records once they come of age?
you mean like a browser?
From my understanding iPhone apps work slightly differently but I sincerely doubt that it's not common place in that space as well.
I'm not saying that it's definitely completely fine, but it _is_ really common in that space.
The only result is the government has been used to eliminate a competitor to Facebook, who cannot compete in the marketplace. Doesn't sound like protecting kids is the goal here.
For that to be a relevant argument you would have to amass some relevant user base. I wish you good luck.
Isn't that the whole idea here? I mean, with TokTok being a US company, obviously.
> Doesn't sound like protecting kids is the goal here.
Indeed.
This is a pretty normal thing in Android and a number of larger apps (and many games) use it to some extent as a way to modularize the application. An app can basically download dex files or other artifacts, load them, and execute them from within the app's process. While it's arguably not a good feature for the platform to have, this isn't necessarily some kind of diabolical hack.
The newer version of this is on-demand dynamic modules (which are hosted by Google), unfortunately I'm drawing a blank recalling what the older DIY version was called.
https://developer.android.com/codelabs/on-demand-dynamic-del...
Edit: and revocation.
Either way if the app itself is pulled any code downloaded is running within the app, so it goes away too.
So can your web browser. Unless you can actually provide a source here to clarify, you're spreading baseless speculation. Even if the CCP were literally controlling tiktok, it would be stupid of them to turn it into literal malware for a few moments of... what, exactly? And in doing so destroy the most popular social media app of its generation that literally every social app is trying to copy and catch up to.
The CCP aren't cartoon villains.
Scenario 1: deploy malware on highly targeted devices
Scenario 2: deploy ddos logic or similar to all devices within a region
Interpret this as ‘what could happen in theory’ as opposed to any TikTok specific accusation. I’m not even sure it is possible to dynamically execute code under Android or iOS.
I haven't found a source for this that doesn't trace back to this one reddit post.
If only we had a system which taught children how to make better decisions. Some sort of teachery, perhaps. Maybe we should focus on investing in such places before laying the blame on what is basically Vine 2.0.
Banning Tiktok would be the biggest strategic miscalculation I've ever seen. Basically every Gen Z and half of the millennials will hate the US Govt and sympathize with Tiktok, by extension sympathize with China.
Before we flail around hastily trying to shove some ham-fisted laws down our young people, because the immortal warmongering bigoted cockroaches who run this country don't understand how the internet series of tubes works, we should consider very carefully how damaging this will be to our young people's loyalty to the US.
If the government is unqualified to make the correct laws, they need to work with people smarter than themselves or step aside, because the consequences of this will be catastrophically worse than stupid dangerous "challenges" which exist outside of Tiktok anyway and have since long before the internet.
"Combating [bad thing] actually helps [bad thing]. You see, [bad thing] becomes forbidden fruit when people combat it, and everyone is drawn to forbidden fruit.
If you really are concerned about [bad thing] let [bad thing] be unopposed. Let [bad people] do [bad thing].
It's not an argument I find particularly convincing. A cynic might think it allows the person making it to seemingly support [bad thing] without, you know, putting their actually opinion out there that they in fact like [bad thing].
As for the specifics of your argument, within a few months to a year I would expect Millennials to not really give a crap that Tiktok is gone- they would simply move to a Tiktok clone, it would be as uninteresting as WB channel becoming the CW channel.
Combating [bad thing] actually helps [bad thing].
If you really are concerned about [bad thing] let [bad thing] be unopposed. Let [bad people] do [bad thing].
You must have accidentally replied to the wrong comment.
It strikes me as a fairly straightforward form of "Combating [bad thing] (CCP in this case) actually helps [bad thing]."
It's true you never said CCP should go unopposed. I will concede, since I don't know you, it is possible someone could propose a way to deal with the threat of Tiktok/ CCP that wouldn't result in you once again saying "actually, your proposal to combat CCP would actually help CCP."
Maybe you can help me out. If banning Tiktok would not result in Millennials turning traitor would you support it?
Or are you actually against banning Tiktok for some other undisclosed reason?
Like maybe you think the free market should decide?
Like everyone, Ive many opinions and views. Some of mine are that we're being exploited by China, and our government is failing to advocate for us properly, covering their failures with these trash bills. I've all kinds of ideas of alternatives, to more effectively protect the US.
None of that was part of what I wanted to discuss. My comment was simply that tiktok shouldn't be banned, and I gave one reason why. Full stop. Your imagination is running wild beyond that.
There are many excellent comments and views that I agree with which provide alternatives, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35368537
Consult the others here for more discussion on these things, they're smarter than me and I have no interest in discussing further with you.
"Are there social media moderation laws? No? Then maybe start there."
with no further elaboration on what a "social media moderation law" should entail and how such a "social media moderation law" could effectively offer a solution and your take away was:
1) This was a serious proposal.
and
2) that 47 word post is an "excellent comment" that reflects what it looks like when a smart person attempts to solve a problem.
Nope, you are well aware that he replied to the correct comment. The above reply or yours is really arguing in bad faith.
1) do you think apple limits what functions these scripting languages can access? 2) do you think apple audits the scripting language to ensure it cannot execute native code via an exploit? for example a lot of Lua runtimes are 'broken' and its trivial to get native code execution.
If North Korea had social network companies, or someone in North Korea wanted to start one, they are already banned.
It's a mix of "kids these days", "our devices are brainwashing us" and "scary china" to stop you asking questions about what it's really about.
The thing is, it seems some people want to allow US companies to abuse people's data, but not Chinese companies doing the exact same thing.
That is, the aim of this legislation is purely strategic and has nothing to do with privacy.
Probably because we never needed to.
There hasn't been a major Internet company being used by western citizens until TikTok.
The US government has been able get data whenever it wants it from the major tech companies because they've all been in the US - and there's been no reason to worry these companies are giving US data to foreign (especially non-friendly) governments.
https://www.tiktok.com/@aocinthehouse/video/7214318917135830...
The summary is: this would be a pretty unprecedented move to effectively ban a social media company. In this case, TikTok isn't even doing anything illegal as far as we know, because the United States has basically no data privacy laws that would be relevant here in the first place. The solution to that problem isn't to ban TikTok, it's to create a regulatory framework where companies are obligated to follow certain rules.
Also, with these sorts of issues Congress usually receives a classified briefing where they're told the nature of the allegations against a specific party. Congress, however, has not been briefed on what TikTok is doing, which is odd. And besides, those allegations should probably be shared publicly in this case because the effects of any potential legislation are so significant. As she says, "this doesn't feel right." It seems like Congress isn't following its normal procedures.
She doesn't talk about the language of any particular bill or how it doesn't mention TikTok at all; I'm not sure if the version referred to by the original video was available to AOC when she made her video.