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Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by ruricolist on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:17PM (#35023038)
It's true there's often a tenuous relationship between blurbs and books, but setting up reviews as the more reliable alternative to blurbs is untenable. Most reviews I read, especially in literary publications, have little to do with the book nominally under review. Mostly the book is there to provide the occasion for an essay, and the only part of the book that actually makes an appearance is the title.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by TheRealPomax on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:24PM (#35023089)
This feels like you've never used goodreads, which demonstrates that short form reviews aren't merely tenable, but actually useful and about the contents of book?
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by MrJohz on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:30PM (#35024673)
Eh, I find Goodreads reviews really difficult to get a handle on. Moreso than, say, Rotten Tomatoes, where even if the aggregate rating is different to the rating that I'd give a film, the reviews are at least useful enough that I know what I'm going to get. With Goodreads, it's much more difficult to get a feel for what a book is going to be like based on the reviews.

I wonder if this is because the literary world is a lot not heterogenous. Making a film is very expensive, so only a (relatively) small number get made each year, and they tend to fit into specific categories. If you know what sorts of films you like, it's easier to find more films that match what you want. Books, in comparison, have far more niches, and those niches often seem shallower, so that a single book often fits in multiple spaces for different reasons. I think this makes it harder to know exactly what sort of things work well for you in a book, which makes reviews harder to compare, because other people will often be reading a book very differently to you.

I think this is similar to board games, which also tend to have many shallower niches, but at least for myself, I know which reviewers match my sort of games, and I know how to interpret their opinions. I don't feel like I have that same intuition in the literary world yet.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by LesZedCB on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:58PM (#35025344)
Goodreads reviews are only useful for getting a lot of funny opinions after having finished a book.

not once have I ever used goodreads reviews for anything other than "damn, 3.6, this must be a polarizing book" before starting it.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by notatoad on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:14PM (#35025823)
i'm pretty sure this is the first time i've ever heard anybody say anything positive about goodreads reviews.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by EamonnMR on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:13PM (#35024064)
Book as occasion for essay is a great genre of essays though.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by AlbertCory on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:00PM (#35024452)
That's true, but that's why I read reviews of books I have no intention of ever reading. Conversely, GoodReads or Amazon are for books I might read someday.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by ploum on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:48PM (#35023314)
I’m always astonished by those blurbs on books in English.

I’m currently reading "The science of story telling" by Will Storr. There are 5 blurbs on the cover, one on the back cover. The book open with 3 full pages containing 18 blurbs.

That’s completely ridiculous. It really deserves the book. It makes it look silly and unconfident.

For French book, it is quite rare. When it happens, it’s a red paper above the cover that you can remove after buying the book.

Is that an American thing?

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by ghaff on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:54PM (#35023372)
That's a lot. But blurbs are pretty common in US books, probably especially non-fiction.

A quick glance through some books on my coffee table shows multiple blurbs on the back cover are common, maybe something short and pithy on the front cover, and maybe a page of blurbs when you open up the book.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by wodenokoto on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:51PM (#35023337)
No, that’s a French thing.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by kgwgk on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:06PM (#35024504)
> It really __deserves__ the book.

Maybe you meant to say disservices?

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by okvdjv on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:15PM (#35025012)
"Disservice" is not a verb. You can say "does a disservice to the book" or "diminishes" it.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by kgwgk on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:25PM (#35025092)
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by toast0 on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:32PM (#35025943)
English generally allows verbing nouns.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by goldfeld on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:23PM (#35025079)
I think it's cool and understandable as a sign of reciprocity.. if the book deserves the blurbs then really the blurbs deserve the book they're stuck with. Of course there is not always reciprocity, but apparently aye in this case.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by kgwgk on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:33PM (#35025157)
I suspect that the use of "deserve" was just the result of a bad translation.

https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/desservir/

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by ploum on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:31PM (#35025142)
sorry, I was confused by a French similar word. The intended meaning was "to harm"
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by bravura on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:36PM (#35025591)
*disserves
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by bobthepanda on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:41AM (#35027688)
That makes sense but for some reason in my eyes it seems weird as a verb; the noun “disservice” is more common, or saying something is “doing a disservice to” something
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by xhevahir on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:15PM (#35024567)
Being American, I've been put off by the French (or maybe just Gallimard's?) way of doing things, which is to put the author's name in very bold print on the front, and on the back a short passage from the book which may or may not be representative of the book as a whole. Am I supposed to infer from the style of those few sentences whether the book is going to be good? Because as a non-native reader of French I don't feel competent to do that. (And I doubt that many readers can.) And all those cream or off-white covers! Don't get me started.

Having said that, the last American book I bought after studying the blurb and the award medallion was bad enough that I didn't finish reading it.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by ploum on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:27PM (#35024658)
Funny. I find the short passage more telling than "Awesome, a masterpiece (John Doe)". But the short passage is rare and more "litterary". Usually, it’s a summary of the book (often written by the author himself/herself). Summary is, IMHO, the best way to judge a book. The worst being a summary that spoils the book (yeah, it happens…).
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by gumby on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:06PM (#35024922)
Since so many French (and not just French) books are sold shrink-wrapped, the only way to get any idea of the book's style is either the except from the text on the back or from the author (as in you already like X's writing). You must literally judge a book by its cover.

Quite a few bookshops discourage you from opening the wrapper, especially, I find, in Germany for some reason.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by Scubabear68 on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:43PM (#35025639)
Why on Earth are they shrink wrapped? In a Barnes and Noble store in the US it is not unheard of for people to pick a book off a shelf in the store, sit in a comfy chair or in the cafe, read for awhile, and then put it back when they are done. I did this quite a bit when I was dead broke many years ago.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by gumby on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:29PM (#35025916)
One of those cultural things, such as giving out a single tiny paper napkin when you buy an ice cream (rather than letting you take as many as you like) or the folks who switch off power to their apartment when they go out for the day.

Instead of an abundance mentality (let them browse the books: they might buy more than one, and it least are likely to be more satisfied) it's a zero sum (they might look into the book, read what they want, and then buy nothing).

I buy a lot of used books and of course this shrinkwrap nonsense doesn't apply there.

I don't see this in English speaking countries, India, Japan, or China; I do see it common in France and Germany. I don't buy books in other countries so can't say.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by jhbadger on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:57PM (#35025727)
One suspects the stores in France (and I've seen the shrink-wrap when I was in Germany too) want to avoid people doing exactly what you did. Granted, I did exactly the same thing as a teenager in the US. In big stores like Barnes & Noble the staff mostly let me read in peace, but in smaller stores the staff/owner would make some comment like "This isn't a public library! Buy it or get out!" after a few minutes of reading.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pseingatl on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:35AM (#35027925)
Can't read in the public library anymore. Your only hope is a university library that happens to be a government depository library as they have to let you in.

https://mu7ami.micro.blog/2021/07/19/library-blues.html

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by jhbadger on Sunday March 05, 2023 @09:42AM (#35029972)
I've often heard that hysteria, but it seems overblown in my experience in the Washington, DC area. Yes, you will likely see a homeless person or two when you go to the library, especially when the weather is bad, but they certainly haven't "taken over" the library or generally bother anyone using the library for its intended purpose.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by MrVandemar on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:50PM (#35026044)
I don't know. I remember going into a bookshop somewhere in Australia and most of the books were shrink-wrapped. I saw a few I was interested in, so I wrote the titles down for later investigation.

If I had been able to read a couple of sample pages, as I often do prior to buying a book, I would likely have bought some.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pseingatl on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:33AM (#35027918)
That's because you can no longer do this in local libraries, which have become day care centers for the homeless:

https://mu7ami.micro.blog/2021/07/19/library-blues.html

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by IshKebab on Sunday March 05, 2023 @08:37AM (#35029489)
> Am I supposed to infer from the style of those few sentences whether the book is going to be good?

Well.. yes. It's obviously not the best way but it's clearly better than inferring from universally positive blurbs that you get otherwise (hence this article). Have you ever seen a blurb "this book is okish"?

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:58AM (#35042554)
How is that any different from US books?
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:56AM (#35042521)
Honestly, I don't know. I've developed "blurb blindness", like "ad blindness", and they just don't register in my mind. I like that because, like ads (not surprising since blurbs are ads), blurbs are without value to me.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by fwlr on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:55PM (#35023383)
I don’t think I’ve ever paid attention to a blurb in my life. They are in the same category as those banners at the top of pages and the modals with convenient “X to close” in the top right.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by Swizec on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:43PM (#35024326)
Blurbs affect you even if you think they don’t. They’re funny like that.

I’m reading a great cyberpunk novel about biotech and AI right now (biopunk?). Fun book, very enjoyable. On the cover it has a Neal Stephenson blurb: ”Autonomous is to bio and AI what Necromancer was to the internet”

And without even thinking, that’s exactly how I describe the book to anyone who asks. It’s like the Neuromancer of the tech wave that we’re on the cusp of.

I probably would never be able to come up with that on my own. But I thought I did! I literally thought that was my own description until a few days ago I realized it’s the description I see every time I open the book to read another chapter.

And yes it’s a great book. Totally recommend reading.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pilarphosol on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:01PM (#35024882)
The disease of blurbs is not that anyone consciously takes them seriously, but the fact that not having them has become a black mark. People are used to chatty book covers. This is just one of the many tools a dying industry uses to keep its unfair advantages.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by goldfeld on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:27PM (#35025108)
Maybe if the blurbs are not worth any attention then the book itself and how it's been edited is barely even deserving of that same attention? I'm sure the free classics from gutenberg.org which one can download on a kindle showcase no blurgs.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by RunSet on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:14PM (#35033488)
> I don’t think I’ve ever paid attention to a blurb in my life.

Dan Simmons writes like a hot-rodding angel and I will be disappointed if his tombstone does not say that verbatim.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by akudha on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:12PM (#35023555)
This kinda reminds me of movie ads (previews? Not sure what they’re called). Those two minutes have the best scenes from the 90 minute movie. Then you watch the movie, it ends up being ridiculously bad
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by bombcar on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:18PM (#35023605)
Trailers. I “love” the ones that make a slow paced romcom look like an action thriller.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by lelanthran on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:19AM (#35027324)
That sword cuts both ways - enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6QgNuZcxTw

(See at least until solsbury hill starts :-))

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by Waterluvian on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:19PM (#35023610)
I don’t disagree with the first paragraph, but I still find it amusing that one of the reasons people should beware of blurbs is that it’s not a nice sounding word. That’s well-written.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by Algemarin on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:45PM (#35024334)
Is there any market research available that shows that blurbs are actually effective in driving sales or interest in a book?
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pilarphosol on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:09PM (#35024955)
The lack of them is probably more harmful than the content is helpful. But I do think they move readers who are on the fence about what to buy. It takes a long time investment to learn whether a novel is any good, so social proof is, unfortunately, a pretty big influence.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by MrVandemar on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:58PM (#35026083)
I kind of feel that they do influence my buying occasionally. A blurb from, say, William Gibson might lead me to pick a book up. I doesn't matter what was blurbed, but gives the idea that the book is something adjacent to ideas and topics and style of Gibson.

Actually, the quote on the cover of Murakami's Dance Dance Dance lead me to consider, and buy the book:

"If Raymond Chandler had lived long enough to see Blade Runner, he might have written something like Dance Dance Dance" -- The Observer.

Now, I don't think that's strictly accurate, but does lend a little of the philosophical flavour and slightly sparse writing style, and I did wind up buying and then enjoying the book, and others of Murakami's, enormously.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by AlbertCory on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:58PM (#35024446)
Blurbs in book marketing: exactly the same comic content as in movie marketing.

*The greatest story ever told! -- Jonas Logroller, Punxsutawney Herald

if you think reviews are better, be aware that the NYRB is often referred to as "The New York Review of Each Others' Books."

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by bonkersbonkers on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:07PM (#35024515)
aka 'logrolling'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logrolling

Those in the UK will be very familiar with the satirical column in Private Eye that does precisely this (albeit for UK Publishers).

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by wwarner on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:11PM (#35024540)
Now chatgpt makes makes meaningless writing especially ugly. I predict the blurb’s swift demise.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pilarphosol on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:07PM (#35024935)
The good and bad news is that publishing’s social proof is about to lose 98 percent of its value once NLP gets to the point of having as much predictive value as publishing’s signals. We might be there already. That doesn’t mean a program can decide what is and is not great literature. It doesn’t have to. It just to be better than the curators we have. That could probably be written in a hackathon with a decent labeled dataset.

The good news is that this will make it a lot easier for good writers without connections or preexisting celebrity to be discovered. The bad news is that there will be a few people who reverse engineer the AI graders and get millions of readers despite not being all that good.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by MrVandemar on Saturday March 04, 2023 @08:00PM (#35026095)
> The bad news is that there will be a few people who reverse engineer the AI graders and get millions of readers despite not being all that good.

This happens anyway regardless. I can't think of any other reason why The DaVinci Code was ever a thing, other than that.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by sethammons on Sunday March 05, 2023 @06:36AM (#35028696)
People have different tastes; oh the horror. I had a lot of fun reading that book.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by BeFlatXIII on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:37PM (#35031863)
> The bad news is that there will be a few people who reverse engineer the AI graders and get millions of readers despite not being all that good.

Don't disrespect the hustle grindset.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by lapcat on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:22PM (#35025070)
6 books of the Expanse series have the exact same blurb on their front covers from George R. R. Martin: "Interplanetary adventure the way it ought to be written."
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by yesenadam on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:26PM (#35025543)
The worst one I've ever seen was: "must be read", prominent on the front cover.

Which probably influenced my decision to buy the book. But later I noticed the sentence that quote was from was something like "This book must be read not as an analysis of X, but as a contribution to Y". I couldn't believe it! It was a serious non-fiction book, I think, and not an obscure one, although sadly I lost track of the book it was years ago. Not easy to google. I'll never forget the unfathomable effrontery/deception of whoever had the idea then OKed it for the cover.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by cainxinth on Sunday March 05, 2023 @10:18AM (#35030295)
There’s a thin line between “puffery” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffery) and deceit. Your example strikes me as crossing the line.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:54AM (#35042502)
"Puffery" is just legal lying.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by yesenadam on Monday March 06, 2023 @07:51PM (#35050043)
(IANAL) Take this, for example, from a jazz/funk/? band I like:

"The Funky Knuckles is a world class jazz orchestra made up of genetically enhanced cybernetic super men. They have played at the finest venues around the world delivering mind blowing rhythms and harmonic complexity that will shatter your fragile psyche and leave you drowning in a pool of fresh llama milk. The band members are as brilliant as they are handsome and they have performed with people such as the legendary Phill Aelony. This unstoppable crime fighting squadron will make you dance like a kraken on meth before you burst into tears of joy which can be combined with powder from a ground up cobra skull to synthesize the elixir you need to pass through solid objects."

It's cool, funny, seems appropriate to the band, - and also not meant to be taken seriously, so seems to fit that "puffery" definition. But calling it "just legal lying" would...miss the point.

https://www.thefunkyknuckles.com/about

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:14PM (#35051097)
That isn't really an attempt at making people believe untrue things. I don't think it counts as puffery for that reason.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by yesenadam on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:27AM (#35055678)
The first paragraph of the "Puffery" wikipedia page:

"In everyday language, puffery refers to exaggerated or false praise. Puffery serves to "puff up" what is being described. In law, puffery is usually invoked as a defense argument: it identifies futile speech, typically of a seller, which does not give rise to legal liability. In a circular manner, legal explanations for this normative position describe the non-enforceable speech as a statement that no "reasonable person" would take seriously anyway."

It seems puffery in both those senses.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:01PM (#35059609)
Well, this is a point reasonable people can disagree on. I think intent matters. Exaggeration for comedic or parody effect isn't puffery because the intent is not actually to deceive.

Actual puffery comes about because there was a legitimate intent to deceive. As your (accurate) description of the law even implies: it's a defense for advertisers when they are caught being deceptive.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by notatoad on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:18PM (#35025846)
i've always assumed the blurbs on books are mostly bullshit, but i still find them useful as a signal of other authors the publisher or author wants to be compared to.

if a book has a blurb from Tom Clancy on it, i just interpret that as the same as the publisher putting a label on it saying "fans of Tom Clancy might like this"

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by MrVandemar on Saturday March 04, 2023 @07:47PM (#35026031)
The best blurb I ever read was:

"A thumping good detective-ghost-horror-whodunit-time-travel-romantic-musical-comedy-epic" -- the author.

Douglas Adams.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by sohkamyung on Saturday March 04, 2023 @10:23PM (#35026650)
I usually ignore blurbs. I depend on book reviews and recommendation from authors whose books I've enjoyed in the past or social media posts from people whom I trust to know what they are talking about.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by Finnucane on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:37PM (#35026939)
You, the reader, are not the only audience for blurbs. They get used all along the sales and marketing chain, because many of those people are never going to read the book, and only want to see that someone has vouched for it. Those people also know how the game is played, and that the blurb might be the author’s friend, the editor’s friend, and so on. If no one is willing to speak up for a book, it looks bad.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by sbierwagen on Saturday March 04, 2023 @11:37PM (#35026942)
I distinctly remember reading a very positive review of Barsk: The Elephants' Graveyard by Howard Taylor (professional writer) where he described it along the lines of "yet another stellar book by my very good friend". Well, I had a flight coming up, so I bought it.

Mistake. The "very good friend" part was a qualifier, not an endorsement. The book was trash! But Howard, the old pro, was boosting the sales of his bud. Learned to never, ever trust a book review done by a writer.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pottertheotter on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:09AM (#35027269)
I used to work with a guy whose first book was about to be published and it had blurbs from several very prominent people in business and politics. He told me that he and his team wrote each blurb. That’s not to say the people didn’t agree to have the blurb attributed to them, but that they didn’t even write their blurbs (and I’m pretty sure none of them had read the book).
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by JohnFen on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:01AM (#35042606)
In a sense, it's like every letter of recommendation I've ever had. The people they were "from" asked that I just write it and they'll sign it if they agree.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by pseingatl on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:37AM (#35027929)
Somehow the author wrote this article without referencing •Blurb your Enthusiasm•,

https://www.amazon.com/Blurb-Your-Enthusiasm-Z-Persuasion/dp...

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by euroderf on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:24PM (#35032985)
"The post of the year!"

"It's un-down-votable!"

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by canam on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:57PM (#35033849)
Blurbs are just advertising. They are typically from more famous authors or celebrities. Sometimes they are just from other authors who are friends.

You agree to write a blurb before even getting a copy of the book. My wife is in this industry with plenty of experience with blurbs.

Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by lfpeb8b45ez on Sunday March 05, 2023 @11:06PM (#35037419)
The Millions has done it again with a crackling, thrill-a-minute joyride that’s whip-smart and unexpectedly devastating.
Re:Beware of Book Blurbs by lasereyes136 on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:59AM (#35041032)
Caveat Emptor

Don't judge a book by it's cover

Take you pick.