Remember kids, clicking the "next page" button on court document websites is legal, doing it with javascript is a felony, off to jail with you, join the rapists and murderers!
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There's probably other notable cases with the same failure mode.
One of the things you learn working in computer security: history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
I do like Mark Twain
https://www.judyrecords.com/what-happened-with-tyler-technol...
No one was actually sent to jail, but the proprietor of the site was dragged through the media as a dangerous hacker and felon.
If voters are only choosing amongst candidates put forth by the establishment, and the establishment relies on funding and support from special interests, then democratically elected is somewhat different than democratically selected, isn't it?
Here's a compilation of everything he said in the Nevada debate: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fricqR4t28Q
Despite the fact that the State allows for bans on women's healthcare despite the majority of population supporting guaranteed access to women's healthcare?
Despite the fact that the State has criminalized marijuana despite the fact that the majority of the population wants it decriminalized?
The USA is not as authoritarian as some places. Obviously that is true. It's a pretty good place to live, comparatively. But don't aid the State in grasping more power. What a terrible end to the American experiment, I predict: PATRIOT act type laws passing again and again while the people allow themselves to be distracted by culture war. History repeats itself except this time the intelligentsia aren't participating voluntarily for self gain, it seems many of them (here) are letting fascism just get away with it because, I dunno, maybe they see themselves on the side of the arbitrarily decided "big tech" actor in the culture war?
Who knows. To me it just seems a repeated pattern of fascist-tilted ideologies coopting contradictory pro worker and nationalist rhetoric and responding to all criticism by retorting that there's no alternatives but ${somePlaceNobodyWantsToLive} so we better just accept things as they are.
It is a bit like when telecom companies sent bribes to terrorists in order to gain telecom contracts. It not that they intend to do bad things, but occasionally they have to break the law when law stands in the way.
Second, however, there is good reason to believe that OP might hold that opinion, since OP wrote about how the purpose of some actions of the American state, via the American Justice Department, were to "enforce rigid authoritarianism". Whose rigid authoritarianism could that refer to in this context, other than an alleged US-American one?
I don't think it's anything like authoritarian regimes, wherein a single individual (DPRK) or party (PRC) maintains absolute power. However, it is authoritarian in its representation of its single interest: billionaires and corporations (which famously have personhood in the usa and are explicitly granted political power via legislation).
I wish you wouldn't take a bad faith interpretation of my position by strawmanning me as if I'm claiming the usa is like the DPRK. I'm not alone in my viewpoints, and considering the rise of leftism in the usa, at the very least you would be well served to pay attention to what we're saying if nothing else so you aren't blindsided by a sudden wave of anti-establishment blowback. Read Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized" for some fun fiction on the dangers of laughing away criticism of the problems in the usa as just silly disaffected leftists who aren't "realistic."
In any case I doubt what I'm claiming, if you take it in good faith, is really all that controversial.
Do you want to live in a country where you could be churned through viciously unfair court systems for potential years because you used JavaScript to access APIs that you didn't know were intended to be accessed only by humans through web browsers? Because that's happened to people in the usa.
Do you want to live in a country where you could go to jail for fixing your own tractor, or iphone? That's what the American government is leaning towards.
Do you want to live in a country where human rights aren't guaranteed if the State can pick a demographic trait about you that renders you inhuman in certain situations? The USA is doing that right now to women and their bodily autonomy, and transgender people for same.
Do you want to be a target when you travel because your government armed revolutionaries and then radicalized them against The West by pillaging their country for natural resources? This America has done uncountable times.
So why deny reality? Don't you want the usa to be a better place? You don't have to be a communist to think so. You can simply want the things I mentioned to go away. There's no reason America can't just be a milquetoast capitalist state with whisps of socialism in their healthcare and transportation industry like plenty of nations across the world. Why assume that's a slippery slope to whatever scary thing you think I believe?
The US might not be authoritarian overall but the people who wind up in positions of power in the various institutions that run it sure seem to have a much greater authoritarian bent than the populace in general so when they can get away with it (like when prosecuting a hacker or arresting a bootleg cigarette seller) they try to go all out. The kinds of people who routinely complain about these excesses often turn right around and complain that specific kinds of criminals they don't like aren't getting treated badly enough and it drives me up the wall.
Here's a quick test I just derived to assess how authoritarian the country you currently live in really is: you go to a main square in your country's capital on a busy day and start declaring in a loud voice that, in your opinion, the country's current leader has no idea what they're doing, that all her/his political ideas are idiotic, and that the people of the country would be better off with almost anybody else in his/her position.
Keep doing this for a little while.
The level of authoritarianism of your country can then be measured by the reaction of government officials.
Certainly one way authoritarianism manifests itself is through blatant restrictions on freedom of speech.
America, being a nation of highly evolved authoritarianism, has found better ways. Nobody on earth does better marketing than the USA. Nobody. And what else can we call marketing when a government does it other than propaganda? Get someone leaking that the government was doing illegal spying? No worries, he's a Russian agent! Got some upstart kneeling on a football field to protest police brutality? Champagne socialist, race baiter, disrespectful of the American flag, boom, done, we can keep doing police brutality. And bonus, we now have a new angle to culture war: pro and anti cop. Tie being pro cop to owning a pickup truck and just like that you've got people making it their entire identity. Easy! Didn't have to arrest a single person (other than a couple hundred peaceful protestors of course).
No need to arrest the person shouting that the president is an idiot, or a fascist, or whatever. That doesn't matter because the American electoral system is rigidly locked into two parties that serve the true electorate regardless of which is in power: billionaires and corporations. Shout all you want! It doesn't matter all that much.
But should you challenge the true electorate, that's an entirely different story. Why is stealing from the cash register come with a quick trip to jail, yet the largest form of theft in the usa is wage theft, the punishment for which is at worse a fine? And that's if you can hire a lawyer to do the hard work for you: unlike when you steal from the cash register, the State is unlikely to send an attorney general to launch an investigation on your behalf.
Authoritarianism can manifest itself in many ways when you're smart about it. Try to repair a John Deere tractor on your own, lemme know how it goes. Try to grow what you want on your farm, lemme know how it goes. Try to get a medical procedure, well the State might let you, unless you're a woman or transgender.
Grow your own marijuana and then smoke it, lemme know how that works out.
You may be allowed to protest the president, but stand in front of a courthouse with a sign that says "Google jury nullification," let me know how it goes.
Stand in front of a police station with a sign that says "Black Lives Matter," tell me how it goes.
Stand in front of a Whole Foods with a sign about pissbottles, let me know how far the cops force you to move on threat of arrest.
I triple dog dare you to walk into an American police station and request to make a complaint against an officer. I quadruple dare you to change your mind and try to leave if they ask for ID during the process.
Ever driven in South Texas? Lemme know what happens when you try it and refuse to stop at the random border patrol points that aren't on a border, despite being constitutionally "guaranteed" to not need to randomly show proof of citizenship to jackboots asking.
So you can shout about the president. Big deal. You can do that in many places. The power of the authoritarianism isn't vested in that office in the usa. The president is an agent of those interests. The tricky thing about the usa, and the reason it's not a fully fascist state, is those interests are just diverse enough to be unable to collude fully. I think it's on that path though.
At any rate, I was reading that countries like China have alternatives to prison called “administrative detention”. Maybe we should just change the name of our prisons so we can goose the stats?
Obviously it's not as bad as China or Russia, but it's not exactly a bastion of hands-off governance either.
When people use the word “authoritarian” they are just signaling that they believe the narratives that our media speaks with one voice about those bad, bad other countries.
Lots of past explanations are at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....
We've had to ask you this before, and you've been doing it a lot. That's not cool.
> [I believe this is] not [commonly used to refer] to individual acts
First is correct, second is not.
Also, the need for recognition often drives any human endeavour - and that leads hackers, criminals, etc to boast of their exploits to at least someone … who might be under observation, or under pressure to give up information to escape severe punishment for their own activities.
Some parts of the internet never forget, and the anonymous graph is only anonymous if all of it is anonymous. 99.999% isn't good enough.
I don't agree with most of her more radical views and find her methods to be too extreme, but she clearly stood behind them and didn't hide
If we truly lived in a sane society, companies with lax security and god awful security policies would be punished.
Mine was founded by some overseas family that can still come over and start telling us what to do as they please.
So uhhh, yeah, can confirm, Canada’s laws basically revolve around keeping old money wealthy without providing any value to anyone.
Also is the monarch not commander in chief their armed forces? I thought being under the command of the queen / monarch was part of their oath.
You read it as me talking about the military in the UK.
No I was talking about the Canadian military. They are bound to the queen and swear an oath to such, you know the one that lives in the UK.
It really illustrates the absurdity of the situation.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_responsibility
> Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
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> In March 2021, crimew was indicted by a grand jury in the United States on criminal charges related to her alleged hacking activity between 2019 and 2021. The charges were unrelated to the hack of Verkada. Her home and her parents' home were raided by the Swiss police at the request of United States authorities, and her electronic devices were seized. People used the hashtag "#freetillie" to express support for her in the aftermath of the raid, and the Swiss magazine Republik compared her to Jeremy Hammond and Aaron Swartz.