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Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by SilverBirch on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:24AM (#33931987)
This is pretty unsurprising, they're not really going to raise any serious money from this (what do we reckon? 1FTE Salary at most?) but they've got office space for 7.5k people and less than 3k less. Musk keeps saying "If you code come to the 10th floor" - which basically implies that their entire team of engineers fit onto 1 floor of the building and that there a load of empty floors now that don't need kitchens or desks or chairs.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by moltar on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:17AM (#33933295)
You'd be surprised. Some of that restaurant equipment is in high demand, and is also pretty pricey. Anything pro grade can be tens of thousands of dollars each.

Just some of those espresso machines are $10K [1] and $25K [2] each.

Freezer is $24K.

Of course, all these are "new" prices.

[1] https://www.espressoparts.com/products/la-marzocco-linea-cla... [2] https://www.espressoparts.com/products/la-marzocco-strada-ee... [3] https://www.webstaurantstore.com/traulsen-rlt232dut-hhs-stai...

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by lazide on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#33933382)
For used auctions (for things with demand) figure about 75-25% new prices.

If there is a glut, sometimes you’d end up with just price per lb. (Often just a couple dollars per).

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by bombcar on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:23AM (#33933885)
About 10-20% below local used prices is what I’ve seen though sometimes they go above (bidding frenzy?).
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by ffggffggj on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:01AM (#33933693)
Who is opening a restaurant right now with labor costs and borrowing costs where they are?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by gonzo41 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:28AM (#33932014)
Wouldn't it just be smarter to sublet the space and fill up the building. Rather than having empty floors on a building you barely use.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by bgentry on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:41AM (#33932530)
Subletting commercial space in San Francisco is not a simple endeavor at this time: https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/sf-office-vacancy-...
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by Bluecobra on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:01AM (#33933172)
Do you have a permit to make this post about San Francisco?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by mint2 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:04PM (#33936776)
Don’t draw attention! Installing a permitted comment is $1.7M so no one is doing it by the books. It’s unpermitted comments all the way down. Like be honest Did you get a permit for that comment?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by usr1106 on Sunday December 11, 2022 @07:10AM (#33942506)
Can you explain to the uninvolved foreigner who hasn't visited SFO for nearly 12 years what the sarcastic comments about permits refer to?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by djbebs on Monday December 12, 2022 @09:21AM (#33954848)
Installing a public toilet in a park cost 1.7 million dollars and years worth of effort, for something that a random contractor would have built for 10k dollars in a pair of afternoons.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by capnslowish on Sunday December 11, 2022 @08:01AM (#33942791)
Everything requires permits. EVERYTHING.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by feet on Sunday December 11, 2022 @04:27PM (#33947731)
You got a loicense for that permit, mate?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by lalaland1125 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:39PM (#33938676)
We really should be turning that space into housing
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by xyzelement on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:55PM (#33939900)
"we"
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by mikeryan on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:37AM (#33932496)
Sublet to who? Downtown SF office space doesn’t have a lot of takers right now.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by defrost on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:34AM (#33932059)
There's more than the whiff of a move to Texas in the wind.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by LightG on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:35AM (#33932071)
By the time they make the move, they'll be able to fit all the staff in a campervan.

They can take a road trip over to Texas.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by yreg on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:50AM (#33932582)
Why is the sibling comment flagged and dead?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:27AM (#33932873)
At a minimum, I'd suggest "office freeloaders" and "energy vampires" are indicative of someone not commenting in good faith.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by nailer on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:23AM (#33933876)
It seems fairly clear that Twitter had at least some employees that were adding very little. Trust and Safety leadership enforcing moderation based on political views while ignoring staff concerns about child sexual abuse (per this morning’s news) seems like one example.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Saturday December 10, 2022 @02:07PM (#33935689)
> Trust and Safety leadership enforcing moderation based on political views

I assume you're referring to the "Twitter Files" revelations* there? Because that showed nothing of the sort, did it?

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by nailer on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:51PM (#33939877)
Not exclusively. We knew political based moderation was going on far before that. But yes also including the recent revelations about how it was handled internally.

If you consider interfering with an election to be non political, I’m not going to bother arguing with you.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:26AM (#33941963)
> But yes also including the recent revelations about how it was handled internally.

Can you point to some examples where one side (I'm assuming you mean Democrats) were handled favourably and the other not favourably? Outside of ToS violations, obviously.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by Ferrotin on Saturday December 10, 2022 @04:40PM (#33937115)
Yes it did.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:11PM (#33937450)
Can you point to some examples? Note that they have to be examples which only apply to one side (I'm going to assume you mean conservatives) and aren't standard violations of ToS.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by Ferrotin on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:44PM (#33938708)
They suppressed Trump’s account before the election…
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by ithkuil on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:06PM (#33938864)
> They suppressed Trump’s account before the election…

That fact was public knowledge.

Did the twitter files reveal anything more specific about why they suppressed Trump's account?

It seems to me that merely calling them "Twitter files" is very effective at evoking and implying possibly more than what they actually contain.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by Ferrotin on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:09PM (#33939304)
This was not public knowledge, it was publicly denied.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by infotogivenm on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:58PM (#33939617)
Please be specific. They have publicly denied shadowbanning but under a very specific and narrow definition.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:28AM (#33941976)
> but under a very specific and narrow definition.

Which I think is the standard definition - suggesting Twitter have made up their own is a bit snarky?

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by zimpenfish on Sunday December 11, 2022 @05:27AM (#33941968)
> They suppressed Trump’s account before the election…

If by "suppressed" you mean "suspended for repeated violations of ToS even though they'd protected him for months by saying he was POTUS and therefore newsworthy and should be granted much more leeway than other accounts", sure.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by yreg on Saturday December 10, 2022 @06:38PM (#33938253)
Fair enough, those terms are unfair and needlessly aggressive. I just found the comment rather interesting (especially the last part).
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by duxup on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:25AM (#33933370)
I think Twitters priorities are balance sheet related. Moving would seem like a bizarre distraction.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by lazide on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:28AM (#33933391)
Most of this mess just seems like a bizarre distraction.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by duxup on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:12AM (#33933781)
It is shocking how entirely unnecessary it all has been.

There’s no reason for the whole situation. The company is in a bad spot now.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by nailer on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:20AM (#33933848)
I think it’s because the company wasn’t very profitable and has low growth.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by plastiquebeech on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:13PM (#33939331)
They were barely keeping their heads above water, but the interest payments on their new loans was like tying cinder blocks to their feet.

It amazes me that the world's richest man was able to buy this company with a bunch of borrowed money, and saddle the company with the debt rather than himself. If he actually cared about Twitter's financial health, you have to figure he would have bought it outright. He has the money.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by duxup on Saturday December 10, 2022 @11:22AM (#33933874)
They were not in great shape, but they’re now in substantially worse.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by kccoder on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:24PM (#33937575)
Elon is basically doing a Gilderoy Lockhart trying to repair Harry's broken arm impression.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by kgantchev on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:02AM (#33932685)
Not sure if their rental agreements allow that. Most don't.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by mdon on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:47AM (#33933043)
Most residential leases don’t. It’s very common in commercial leases however.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by SanjayMehta on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:38AM (#33932509)
Better than trashing it, I guess.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by ransom1538 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#33933226)
Can they let the homeless stay in the unused floors? Surely they can find a spot in their heart to help out people down on their luck during Christmas.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by duxup on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#33933379)
Assuming they could just ignore local zoning:

The cost of security, social services, policing, and hygiene related issues (it’s an office not a home) would seem substantial.

Some locals not far from me tried doing that with an abandoned hotel. It was a mess of crime drugs and etc in the end.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by lazide on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:30AM (#33933410)
Many homeless won’t stay in homeless shelters due to ‘draconian’ rules like no drugs, no dangerous animals, etc.

Any attempt to do something like you’re proposing in a nice space not explicitly setup for the purpose is going to go pretty badly quite quickly.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by fineIllregister on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:29PM (#33939021)
Usually what keeps people out of shelters is that they are not staffed/resourced enough to maintain safety. One person being violent can ruin the resource for everyone else. Poor access to health care and hygiene also can destroy a shelter's utility.

Most people don't want to get assaulted, robbed, or infected with disease/pests.

That is a reason why empty office space doesn't solve anything. There's already plenty of of it without Twitter HQ. Running a temporary shelter is more about the logistics/support than it is the physical space.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by lazide on Saturday December 10, 2022 @08:57PM (#33939225)
It’s impossible to provide adequate staffing without restricting what people can bring, what people can do, etc.

Someone with a knife requires 4-5 people to subdue minimum, etc.

Someone with an out of control dog will cause serious, potentially fatal injuries before anyone can react.

That people often get these things and want them to protect themselves just makes the problem more intractable, because when you add drugs and mental illness into the mix, the people are impossible to predict too.

Empty office space definitely doesn’t solve it. But doubling staffing at the homeless shelters won’t either.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by mberning on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:10AM (#33933230)
Sounds nice until they piss, shit, and do drugs everywhere and get your entire company evicted by the building owner.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by ncr100 on Saturday December 10, 2022 @12:10PM (#33934317)
This is the sad truth.

I used to live nearby Twitter HQ and that description is unfortunately accurate to my experience, of the majority of the homeless who spent time at Van Ness and Market Street SF.

HOUSING is what is needed, for sure though. Just be serious about it, and not "diamond-mine trust-fund hyper vigilant ego-abusive maniac" about it.

Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by astrange on Saturday December 10, 2022 @03:04PM (#33936265)
Elon is rich because PayPal investors paid him to go away. Nothing that happened in his life before that matters at all or gave him any extra starting privilege, diamond mine or no.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by runeb on Saturday December 10, 2022 @05:59PM (#33937958)
That is not accurate. Have you seen the video of "multi-millionaire entrepreneur" Elon Musk taking delivery of a $1 million dollar McLaren car, before PayPal?
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by astrange on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:14PM (#33938509)
Eh, that was from Zip2 for $22 million, right? That's something but it's not PayPal money. I think he just had "average Stanford student" levels of privilege to do that.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by metadat on Saturday December 10, 2022 @07:21PM (#33938565)
This is warped, average Stanford grad is well off but not supercar level finances.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by astrange on Saturday December 10, 2022 @09:04PM (#33939267)
The rest is luck.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by jiveturkey on Sunday December 11, 2022 @02:13AM (#33940924)
Simply being white gave him extra starting privilege. I’m sure you meant, vs other cis white males coming from a middle class (at least) family though.
Re:Twitter Office Supply Auction by xyzelement on Saturday December 10, 2022 @10:59PM (#33939924)
Just curious - do you house the homeless in the spare spaces in your dwelling? If not, how can you comment on what others ought to be doing and their hearts?