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Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by pen2l on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @12:35PM (#32927639)
Neat, https://github.com/openai/whisper - they have open-sourced it, even the model weights, so they are living up to their name in this instance.

The 4 examples are stunningly good (the examples have speakers with heavy accents, speaking in foreign language, speaking with dynamic background noise, etc.), this is far and away better than anything else I've seen. Will be super curious to see other folks trying it out and seeing if it's as robust as it seems, including when confronted with audio speech with natural tics and uhhh's and uhmm's and everything in-between.

I think it's fair to say that AI-transcription accuracy is now decidedly superior to the average human's, what the implications of this are I'm not sure.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:59PM (#32928787)
It was already better. I edit a podcast and have > a decade of pro audio editing experience in the film industry, and I was already using a commercial AI transcription service to render the content to text and sometimes edit it as such (outputting edited audio).

Existing (and affordable) offerings are so good that they can cope with shitty recordings off a phone speaker and maintain ~97% accuracy over hour-long conversations. I'm sure it's been an absolute godsend for law enforcement other people who need to gather poor-quality audio at scale, though much less great for the targets of repressive authority.

Having this fully open is a big deal though - now that level of transcription ability can be wrapped as an audio plugin and just used wherever. Given the parallel advances in resynthesis and understanding idiomatic speech, in a year or two I probably won't need to cut out all those uuh like um y'know by hand ever again, and every recording can be given an noise reduction bath and come out sounding like it was recorded in a room full of soft furniture.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by thfuran on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:10PM (#32928941)
>~97% accuracy over hour-long conversations. I'm sure it's been an absolute godsend for law enforcement

97% accuracy means roughly three or four errors per minute of speech. That seems potentially extremely problematic for something like law enforcement use where decisions with significant impact on people's day and/or life might be made on the basis of "evidence".

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:38PM (#32929399)
No it isn't. That just means 2-3% of your content needs to be double-checked by a person at the audio level, saving huge amounts of time - equally true of human transcription, in which individual words are often [UNINTELLIGEBLE].

Would you want to review this fully before going into court, absolutely - because you'd want to play the recording to a jury for emotional impact. Can you rely on it when you want to quickly read through hours of conversation and make decisions about whether to invest further resources (which might just mean another hour of listening back to the original audio)? Also absolutely. Bear in mind that a lot of these errors have little to no semantic impact, being on the same level as typos or misspellings in a written communication.

Bear in mind too that if law enforcement (honest or not) is so interested in you that they're willing to record your conversations, your day is already ruined, you just don't know it yet. The change here is one of scale rather than quality.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by wging on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:46PM (#32929551)
Doesn't it mean 100% of your content needs to be double-checked? You can't easily identify which 2-3% of your content has errors. I'm aware that errors are more likely when the model is less confident of its predictions, but that shouldn't be enough.

(edit for clarification: errors are not always something like "[UNINTELLIGIBLE]", where the system knows it doesn't know; they can also be misrecognitions that the system believes in with high confidence.)

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:24PM (#32931024)
By the time you're prosecuting someone in court, yes of course you double, triple, quadruple check everything. That's why lawyers get paid the big bucks (for now...). But yes you can identify which content probably has errors and flag it as such.

Look, I have decades of experience dealing with human speech, and not just as an editor - I can trace the human voice from neural impulses in Broca's region through the physiology of vocal production, mechanical transduction into electrical signals, discrete fourier transforms of the resultant waveforms into spectral information and back again, the reproduction of altered signals from time-aligned speakers to create a sense of spatialization, how those are processed in the human ear, and how the cilia are connected by nerves back to your brain. I'm a good enough editor that I can recognize many short words by sight of a waveform, or make 10 edits in a row by sight and know it will sound good on playback.

So when I say that machine transcription is as good as human realtime transcription now, I say so with the clear expectation that those decades of craft are very close to being rendered obsolete. I absolutely expect to hand off the mechanical part of editing to a machine within 2 years or so. It's already at the stage where I edit some interviews as text, like in a word processor, and then export the edited document as audio and it's Good Enough - not for every speaker, but more than half the time.

NPR and a lot of commercial broadcasters cut their material this way already, because you can get the same result from 30 minutes of reading and text editing that would require 3 hours of pure audio editing with no transcription.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by frognumber on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:12PM (#32934085)
What tools do you use to do this? I once hacked together an editor like this maybe a decade ago -- edit speech as text from OCR -- and sorely need one now.

Alignment of video to text is a big problem for me too.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by boundlessdreamz on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:41AM (#32934855)
This can be done via https://www.descript.com/ You can edit video/audio by editing the transcript.

You can even add/modify words that weren't originally there https://www.descript.com/overdub

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by frognumber on Friday September 23, 2022 @07:54AM (#32950668)
Thank you!
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by yourapostasy on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:25AM (#32937411)
> So when I say that machine transcription is as good as human realtime transcription now...

Would you go as far as to assert machine transcription can be used as an objective benchmark of a speaker’s verbal legibility?

It is fraught with political and interpersonal dynamics to approach someone even privately one on one today and gently suggest their career would get a huge boost if they hired a voice coach to help improve their verbal communication delivery. So even when I don’t directly mention their accent, it becomes a very sensitive subject with many.

However, if audio professionals like you can point to a system and say the raw biomechanics and acoustic physics of the world dictate that this is as physically and psychometrically good as audio parsing of human speech gets regardless whether the system was biologically evolved or ML evolved, the conversation can be couched even more objectively.

I enable recording and voice transcription in every meeting I can (ostensibly for DE&I but really for my own selfish purposes), and already observe in myself I have to work hard to overcome a tendency to gloss over speakers who don’t transcribe well when I review meeting transcripts to jot down any key information I might have missed taking notes upon during the meeting.

Note that I’m perfectly aware that my foreign language verbal skills are nowhere near the English skills of those I have tried to help. If the lingua franca of the coding world switched to Urdu tomorrow, then I’d hire help to learn and polish my spoken Urdu, like I went to a speech coach when learning public speaking because I can always use help in the many skills I lack.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by etienne618 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:46PM (#32932584)
Presumably you can use the 97% that is correctly transcribed to rapidly filter out the relevant content. This is likely to be only a small portion of the total content. Then you check 100% of that.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by woah on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:18PM (#32930959)
You double check things that you think are important, in this case, passages that will be used as evidence in court.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:33AM (#32940369)
> I'm aware that errors are more likely when the model is less confident of its predictions, but that shouldn't be enough.

Suppose 90% of the errors are in the 10% where the model is least confident. Then you can review just 10% of your content and take a 2% error rate down to 0.2% error rate.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by vivegi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:26AM (#32940232)
You can also use multiple transcription engines and then use mismatches among the text streams to narrow down the % of content that needs to be reviewed. This is quite similar to multi-voting OCR for document images.

The principle is that the engines have different failure modes (hopefully) and therefore the 2-3% error rate of each engine is in different areas of the audio. The key underlying assumption is that the events are mutually exclusive.

With 3 engines, you can use something like 2-of-3 stream matches to override the stream that mismatches.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by u8 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:03AM (#32939826)
I had to do a lot of manual transcription in Journalism school. Using a tool like Descript saved HOURS of my life. Generally it was 80% accurate, but going over an two-hour-long recording again at 3x speed while reading over the transcript, fixing errors from memory or pausing took a five hour job down to 30-40 minutes. Either way, somebody is going to have to listen to the recording. This just removes a layer of grunt work.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by TheCapeGreek on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:23AM (#32937396)
Having done audio transcription in college as a side gig, it takes a lot longer than it sounds. Even at a decent 100wpm you'll take about 5 minutes to type out 1 minute of audio.

Not having to pause + rewind will save a ton of time for that 3%.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by guelo on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:26PM (#32931727)
Maybe you could run the text through a grammar checker to identify the errors.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by thfuran on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:14PM (#32932872)
That might work if people were required to speak grammatically.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:11PM (#32933310)
For real. The way people normally speak, with backtracking, repetition, restarting sentences, or stopping mid sentence and starting a new one with entirely different nouns or entire subjects is perfectly normal in synchronous conversation and isn't jarring, but written down as is, it's like 40% noise.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by worthless-trash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:53PM (#32933578)
For a good example of this, read ANY of trumps speaches transcribed.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:48PM (#32933952)
I mean if you want to make it unnecessarily political, Biden's are worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWM1zsnTJc
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by gzer0 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:45AM (#32935156)
To be fair, you chose a video that displays an amalgamation of the biggest gaffes of 2021 for Biden.

“During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post's fact-checker had tallied the number as 30,573 by January 2021, an average of about 21 per day by the end of his presidency.” [1][2][3][4]

I think it’s fair to say there would be a 100 hour long plus video / documentary if they were all compiled into one. lovely!

  - [1] Fact Checker (January 20, 2021). "In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on January 20, 2021.

  - [2] Kessler, Glenn (January 23, 2021). "Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on January 24, 2021. Retrieved January 24, 2021.

  - [3] Elfrink, Tim (August 14, 2020). "'Do you regret at all, all the lying you've done?': A reporter's blunt question to Trump goes unanswered". The Washington Post. Retrieved August 14, 2020.
[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Do...
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by worthless-trash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:05PM (#32934375)
Oh no no, i wasn't trying to be political, its just one that I read.. and wow you're right!
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by thfuran on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:53PM (#32929689)
>equally true of human transcription, in which individual words are often [UNINTELLIGEBLE].

ML systems somewhat notoriously do not necessarily make the same sorts of errors that a human would. And I'd expect a large portion of the errors to be transcribing the wrong words rather that indicating that a word couldn't be transcribed. That sort of error means that you can't really get away with manually reviewing just 3% of the audio.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by notahacker on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:21PM (#32932930)
ML tending to make weird mistakes rather than subtle ones that make sense in context like human transcribers is likely to make them easier to spot.

And there are humans in the loop too, and an enormous amount of redundancy in the questions and answer, so even plausible false transcriptions will get picked up on if they matter. Nobody gets sent to jail simply because the transcription process - human or machine - accidentally substitutes "I did it" in place of "I didn't" midway through a two hour interview.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by BartjeD on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:18AM (#32935332)
The thing is that 'Likely' is very far away from 'always'. There is no guarantee the mistake will be easy to spot.

For entertainment purposes AI transcription is awesome.

For serious business applications the ability to recognize mistakes will continue to be a field to which serious attention is given. It would be interesting to see AI processes double check itself, and also run a logic check on whether the transcription makes sense. So that it can report sections flagged as incongruous or of dubious reliability.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by iroh2727 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:52PM (#32934617)
+1. There is a widespread "metric fallacy" or "task fallacy" going around. Models of course optimize for metrics, so they tend to perform well on those related metrics.

Humans, however, are not simply metric optimizers. Though it's always in the interest of those corporations producing metric optimizers (i.e. models) to paint humans as such, so their models shine in comparison. They want humans to look like bad machines, so it looks like they should be automated. Not to say they shouldn't in many cases, just that there's a clear one-sidedness in all corporate PR (and funded research, especially that research which is also PR).

All this to say that yes I agree with you. And if we humans don't want our unsustainable economic growth to turn us even more into machines (as our bureaucratic creep has done quite well thus far), we should fight such rhetoric that aims to paint humans simply as machines or task-doers.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by datalopers on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:18PM (#32930086)
If you know which 2-3% are the false positives, you have a very lucrative business model.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by MonkeyMalarky on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:39PM (#32931223)
When doing validation, I find it will often be the same errors repeated again and again in a transcription. Like it will fail on someone or some thing's name (that is rare / unique) and map it onto a known similar sounding word.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by dotancohen on Friday September 23, 2022 @08:52AM (#32951224)
Sometimes even human will disagree about what was said in a recording - I had this happen recently. I heard a specific sentence, the other person heard the exact opposite. I cannot say who was right, even after listening to the recording several times on headphones and speakers I'm as certain of my interpretation as was the other party.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by gnramires on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:36PM (#32930398)
I think an [UNINTELLIGIBLE] indication would be a great addition to automatic transcription systems.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by inanutshellus on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:10PM (#32930856)
It'd [UNINTELLIGIBLE score="92%" alternatives="pro-rabble; pourable"]probably[/UNINTELLIGIBLE] be useful to make a markup-based output... though you'd probably find it gave you more info than you wanted.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:29PM (#32931100)
It already exists. The commercial product I use most is called sonix.ai and I think they have a free tier or trial period. It has shortcomings but it's shockingly good, despite having some limitations.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by yencabulator on Thursday September 22, 2022 @02:32PM (#32942823)
Google Voice voicemail transcription used to do this, with varying levels of gray. It seems that feature is gone, now.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by gs17 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:33PM (#32929304)
Yeah, I tried to use automated transcription for a research project and we had to do it all manually because the few errors (I would say it did pretty well given our recording quality) were often dropping words like "not", which changed the whole meaning of a sentence! It was a useful assistance during transcription, but I really hope they would verify it was correct before arresting anyone based on it.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by hadlock on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:29PM (#32929233)
Microsoft announced their voice transcription technology a couple years ago and were also touting ~97-98% accuracy which was actually better than human transcription error rates. The errors are usually in part people garbling their own speech, or they move their head while talking and the microphone misses a syllable. Anything in that error bar would probably fall under "reasonable doubt"
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by kyriakos on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:54PM (#32930648)
If its anything like Microsoft teams transcription I doubt the 97%+ accuracy.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by j-krieger on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:55PM (#32929720)
I've worked with similar technology in the law enforcement space and the software is never used to make decisions. You can make out critical timestamps in conversations and a law enforcement officer will always manually confirm the software's assessments.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by JohnFen on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:25PM (#32930214)
Given that law enforcement has made similar claims about technology use in the past that turned out to be false, I have no faith in this claim.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by j-krieger on Wednesday September 28, 2022 @05:30AM (#33006088)
In all honesty, this is the correct mindset to have. I have limited expertise in this topic, and you should be aware that other law enforcement agencies probably do not handle this the same way.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by CTDOCodebases on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:02PM (#32932749)
I imagine a certain percentage of a given population is on a voice call at any one time.

1. Set up a computer with voice recognition software that flags certain patterns.

2. Connect computer to voice call communication network.

3. Configure computer to switch between calls every x number of seconds.

Think of it like a system to generate leads for law enforcement that can be integrated with other systems to produce the best quality leads.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:13PM (#32933325)
This is called "a fishing expedition" and is wildly unconstitutional in the US.

>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by CTDOCodebases on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:38PM (#32934551)
Are you sure about that? [0]

Besides I wasn't talking about the USA when I said this. I was remembering a conversation I once had with a person who worked as a technician in a telephone exchange.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_v._NSA

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by jjoonathan on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:09PM (#32934394)
Yes, it is wildly unconstitutional, but in practice don't the courts endorse the asinine "it's not a search unless we find something" argument from the NSA?

Power always just finds a way to rationalize what it wants to do.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by kurisufag on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:21AM (#32937859)
see: Operation PRISM
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by Thorentis on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:04PM (#32932767)
Not really. Imagine that they do simple keyword matching on the text. Anything that's missed (part of the 97%) the criminals get away with. Anything that matches in the 3% is then checked by a human (by listening to the audio at that time stamp). So you only need to manually check the 3%, and even then only if something you're interested in is found.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by golem14 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:24PM (#32929151)
One would think that the few crucial bits of information gleaned are listened to manually, and the machine translation is not the only thing the judge or a jury sees.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by thfuran on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:25PM (#32929159)
You have absolutely ruined someone's day way before they're sitting in front of a jury.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by formerly_proven on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:59PM (#32930720)
Stuff like that is a very good tell that someone has zero experience with law enforcement.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by adamgordonbell on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:34PM (#32931153)
I've not found that to be the case.

For technical content, I use Rev.com and provide a glossary and real humans do the transcript. Other AI transcription services get lots wrong because the context often matters. Words like "TCP/IP" or "FAT disk format" or "Big Endian" I've never found AI so far to handle well.

I'm interested to test out whisper on this one.

https://corecursive.com/063-apple-2001/

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by deegles on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:05PM (#32929888)
There's already software that can imitate a person's voice, so we have all the pieces already to do speech-to-text, clean up with GPT-3, and back to text-to-speech in the original person's voice. Maybe with a style transfer to keep the person's inflections etc the same?
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by Karuma on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:38PM (#32930430)
I think something similar already exists. See this, for example: https://koe.ai/recast/

Although I don't know if they're using anything similar to what you suggest. Very cool idea, anyway!

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by biomcgary on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:33PM (#32932460)
Since you work on podcasts, do any open source transcription tools currently identity the speaker in the output? This would be particularly helpful for interviews.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by nico on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:52PM (#32934621)
Not sure about open source, but in general, automated transcription systems need a separate track for each different speaker. So for example, for a phone call with one person on each end, you need two separate channels (recording systems usually split them left/right on one stereo file).
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by nonoesp on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:48PM (#32934295)
I'm not sure if you've tried Descript, but their ML-based "Studio Sound" filter makes bad audio sound like it was recorded and edited nicely.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by solarmist on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:52PM (#32929662)
Any recommendations for particular services?
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:33PM (#32931137)
I use a service called sonix.ai. It's paid but I think they have a free tier or trial period, and it's not very expensive. I'm excited about this new OpenAI thing because I'd rather do it on my own hardware than send it to the cloud, but this company has earned its commercial success.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by solarmist on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:54PM (#32929700)
That is an exciting possibility. Being able to fix bad setups and missed takes automagically. It’s always been possible, just expensive and time consuming for moderate improvements.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:06PM (#32928087)
The French version is a little contrived. The speaker is a native speaker, but the text is obviously the result of a translation from English to French, not idiomatic French.

I will try to put the code to the test, see how it goes.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by pen2l on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:14PM (#32928200)
Interesting, I'm a non-native French speaker, the original French piece struck me as being entirely normal (but maybe it was just the perfect French accent that swayed me). Can you please point out what he said which wasn't idiomatic or naturally-worded French?
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:41PM (#32928549)
Little details. The second sentence is really bizarre:

> Nous établissons que l'utilisation de données d'un tel nombre et d'une telle diversité est la raison pour laquelle le système est à même de comprendre de nombreux accents...

It doesn't sound natural at all. An idiomatic formulation would be more along the lines of:

Le recours à un corpus [de données] si riche et varié est ce qui permet au système de comprendre de nombreux accents (With 'corpus', 'données' is implied.)

Of course this is just an example, and I'm sure other French speakers could come up with a different wording, but "données d'un tel nombre et d'une telle diversité" sounds really wrong.

This is also weird and convoluted:

> Nous distribuons en tant que logiciel libre le code source pour nos modèles et pour l'inférence, afin que ceux-ci puissent servir comme un point de départ pour construire des applications utiles

It should at least be "le code source DE nos modèles" and "servir DE point de départ", and "en tant que logiciel libre" should placed at the end of the proposition (after 'inférence').

Also, "construire" isn't used for code but for buildings, and "applications utiles" is unusual, because "utiles" (useful) is assumed. "...pour le développement de nouvelles applications" would sound more French.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by aGHz on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:16PM (#32934115)
That's interesting, as a québécois I don't agree with any of this. The only thing that raised an eyebrow was "est à même de", but if turns out it's just another way of saying "capable de", I guess it's simply not a common idiom around here. Aside from that, I found the wording flowed well even if I personally would've phrased it differently.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by slim on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:02AM (#32934963)
Mistery solved. It was a quebecois
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by mazork on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:08AM (#32937719)
Gonna have to agree with the other reply, as a french-canadian, except for "servir comme un point de départ" which should be "servir de point de départ", that all sounds perfectly fine.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Thursday September 22, 2022 @08:36AM (#32937999)
If this is actually "good" or even acceptable French Canadian, then it's a different language from French (and the blog post should mention it).

I kind of doubt it though -- the speaker doesn't have a Canadian accent (which is hard to miss), and in my (admittedly limited) experience, French Canadian isn't that different from French.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by OrangeMusic on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:54AM (#32940703)
How funny to see that to French people, Quebec french sounds like machine translated english :)
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by _plg_ on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:28PM (#32928391)
At the start, the "Nous établissons" part, for example. You wouldn't write that if you were starting scratch from French.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by otikik on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:24PM (#32941152)
That's the first thing that I discovered when I visited Paris for the first time.

No one says "Nous", there, ever. Perhaps the politicians, while giving a speech. Everyone else uses the more informal "On".

I felt duped by my French classes.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by mijamo on Saturday September 24, 2022 @04:14AM (#32960658)
Older generations sometimes do. My grandma and her sisters nearly never uses "on".

It is often used for larger groups or when the group is not very personally connected. For instance when talking about your company doing something you will often use "nous". I would also use "nous" to refer to the whole list of invitees to a wedding. And in formal contextes like research papers, reports etc. You would never use "on", always "nous".

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by not_math on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:29PM (#32928397)
You can see from the transcript where the model made some errors, for example:

> We distribute as a free software the source code for our models and for the inference [...]

Should be

> We are open-sourcing models and inference code [...]

Another example

> We establish that the use of such a number of data is such a diversity and the reason why our system is able [...]

Should be

> We show that the use of such a large and diverse dataset leads to improved robustness [...]

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by octref on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @01:49PM (#32928643)
I'm interested in building something with this to aid my own French learning. Would love to read your findings if you end up posting it somewhere like twitter/blog!
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:49PM (#32931977)
Last try for tonight with Baudelaire.

Original:

    Trois mille six cents fois par heure, la Seconde
    Chuchote Souviens-toi !– Rapide, avec sa voix
    D'insecte, Maintenant dit Je suis Autrefois,
    Et j'ai pompé ta vie avec ma trompe immonde !

    Remember ! Souviens-toi ! prodigue ! Esto memor !
    (Mon gosier de métal parle toutes les langues )
    Les minutes, mortel folâtre, sont des gangues
    Qu'il ne faut pas lâcher sans en extraire l'or !
Transcription:

> Trois mille six cents fois par heure, la seconde chuchote « Souviens toi », rapide, avec sa voix d''insecte, maintenant dit « Je suis autrefois », et j''ai pompé ta vie avec ma trompe immonde. « Remember, souviens toi, prodigue, est au mémoire, mon gosier de métal, parle toutes les langues, les minutes, mortelles folâtres, sont des gangs qu''il ne faut pas lâcher sans en extraire l''or. »

Not bad! Far from perfect but it's a difficult text. Interesting that it works better with Baudelaire than Pascal.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:43PM (#32931912)
Tried again with Blaise Pascal -- the famous fragment of a letter where he says he's sorry he didn't have enough time to make it shorter.

Original:

> Mes révérends pères, mes lettres n’avaient pas accoutumé de se suivre de si près, ni d’être si étendues. Le peu de temps que j’ai eu a été cause de l’un et de l’autre. Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte. La raison qui m’a obligé de me hâter vous est mieux connue qu’à moi. Vos réponses vous réussissaient mal. Vous avez bien fait de changer de méthode ; mais je ne sais si vous avez bien choisi, et si le monde ne dira pas que vous avez eu peur des bénédictins.

Transcription:

> Mes rêves errent pères, mais l'detre navais pas accoutumé de se suivre de si près ni d'detre si étendu. Le peu de temps que j'sais eu a été cause de l'de l'de l'de autre. J'sais n'detre plus longue que parce que j'sais pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte. La raison qui m'sa obligée de me hâter vous est mieux connue qu'moi. Vos réponses vous réussissaient mal. Vous avez bien fait de changer de méthode, mais je ne sais pas si vous avez bien choisi et si le monde ne dira pas que vous avez eu peur des bénédictes.

Here there are many more mistakes, so many that the beginning of the text is unintelligible. The language from the 17th century is probably too different. Still on the "medium" model, as the large one crashes the Colab (not sure how to select a beefier machine.)

Still fascinating and exciting though.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by wazoox on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:15PM (#32941841)
Depends on the way you're pronouncing it maybe. To be intelligible IMO it must be read differently from a modern text, with well sounding liaisons, and all vowels very distinct: "un" sounds differently from "in", "â" clearly differs from "a", "ai" and "è" from "é" and for instance the "e" in "étendues" must be pronounced, though not loudly.

My test gives that, much better than yours:

Mes *rêverants* pères, mes lettres n'avaient pas accoutumé de se suivre de si près ni d'être si étendues. Le peu de temps que j'ai eu a été cause de l'un et de l'autre. Je n'ai fait celle aussi plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de *l'af*faire plus courte. La raison qui m'a obligé de me *ra*ter vous est mieux connue qu'à moi. Vos réponses vous réussiss*ez* mal. Vous avez bien fait de changer de méthode. Mais je ne sais si vous avez bien choisi et si le monde ne dira pas que vous avez eu peur des bénédict*eurs*.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Friday September 23, 2022 @07:06AM (#32950275)
Curious. As mentioned I did three tests, two which went pretty well and this one that went bad. I'm French and enunciated the three tests in the exact same way. It's possible there was a technical glitch in this one (that I erroneously attributed to the language of the 17th century)... Will have to try again.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by bambax on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:25PM (#32931709)
I'm playing with a Colab posted in this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32931349), and it's incredibly fun and accurate!

I tried the beginning of L'étranger (because you seem to be a fan of Camus ;-)

Here's the original:

> Aujourd’hui, maman est morte. Ou peut-être hier, je ne sais pas. J’ai reçu un télégramme de l’asile : « Mère décédée. Enterrement demain. Sentiments distingués. » Cela ne veut rien dire. C’était peut-être hier.

> L’asile de vieillards est à Marengo, à quatre-vingts kilomètres d’Alger. Je prendrai l’autobus à deux heures et j’arriverai dans l’après-midi. Ainsi, je pourrai veiller et je rentrerai demain soir. J’ai demandé deux jours de congé à mon patron et il ne pouvait pas me les refuser avec une excuse pareille. Mais il n’avait pas l’air content. Je lui ai même dit : « Ce n’est pas de ma faute. » Il n’a pas répondu. J’ai pensé alors que je n’aurais pas dû lui dire cela. En somme, je n’avais pas à m’excuser. C’était plutôt à lui de me présenter ses condoléances.

Here's the transcription:

> Aujourdhui, maman est morte, peut être hier, je ne sais pas. J''ai reçu un télégramme de l''asile. Mère décédée, enterrement demain, sentiment distingué. Cela ne veut rien dire. C''était peut être hier.

> L''asile de Vieillard est à Maringot, à 80 km d''Alger. Je prendrai l''autobus à deux heures et j''arriverai dans l''après midi. Ainsi, je pourrai veiller et je rentrerai demain soir. J''ai demandé deux jours de congé à mon patron et il ne pouvait pas me les refuser avec une excuse pareille. Mais il n''avait pas l''air content. Je lui ai même dit, ce n''est pas de ma faute. Il n''a pas répondu. J''ai alors pensé que je n''aurais pas dû lui dire cela. En somme, je n''avais pas à m''excuser. C''était plutôt à lui de me présenter ses condoléances.

Except for the weird double quotes instead of the single apostrophe ('), it's close to perfect, and it only uses the "medium" model.

This is extremely exciting and fun! Happy to try other texts if you have something specific in mind!

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by suyash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:26PM (#32930228)
More of this is welcome, they should live up their name and original purpose and share other models (code, weights, dataset) in the open source community as well.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by Workaccount2 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:38PM (#32931208)
Can't wait to see twelve new $49.99/mo speech parser services pop up in the next few weeks.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by quickthrower2 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:36PM (#32934235)
Make hay before Google gives away free hay.

That said there is value in integration of this into other things.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by quickthrower2 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @05:56AM (#32936775)
This has been running on my laptop all day for a 15 min mp3! Definitely not cheap to run then (wont imagine how much AWS compute cost is required).
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by knaik94 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:29PM (#32933416)
It seems far from good with mixed language content, especially with English and Japanese together. The timestamps are far from perfect. It's far from perfect. It's nowhere close to human for the more ambiguous translations that depend on context of word. It's far below what anyone that spoke either language would consider acceptable. Maybe it's unfair to use music, but music is the most realistic test of whether it's superior to the average human.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by quickthrower2 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:35PM (#32934228)
Some music is hard for even people to make out the lyrics to.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by darepublic on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:04PM (#32934043)
> Neat, https://github.com/openai/whisper - they have open-sourced it, even the model weights, so they are living up to their name in this instance.

Perhaps it will encourage people to add voice command to their apps, which can be sent to gpt3

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by pabs3 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:06PM (#32934054)
Is the training dataset and code open too?
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Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by leobg on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:14PM (#32929006)
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by soheil on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:30PM (#32929253)
This seems to be primarily based on the referenced Snopes article https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32929237
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by space_fountain on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:11PM (#32928944)
This seems to not be true for McDonald: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-100-beef/
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Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by space_fountain on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:32PM (#32929284)
This isn't exactly a hard story to fact check. There is 0 evidence for this in either the reddit thread or really anywhere? If they were willing to lie about the company name why not just lie about the beef in their burgers it would be equally scandalous
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by soheil on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:38PM (#32929412)
The company name could be 100% legit, there is nothing stopping you from a forming a company with that name and not even sell beef.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by pessimizer on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:28PM (#32930261)
Something being possible to do isn't enough evidence for rational people to believe that it happened. From my perspective, it's possible that you're Iron Mike Tyson, or that you died after your last comment and this one was posted by the assassin who killed you.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by soheil on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:38PM (#32930424)
What? I never said it's evidence that it did happen, please don't make things up. I just pointed out the evidence provided to refute the claim is possibly invalid.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by pessimizer on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:06PM (#32930806)
You haven't offered any evidence is the point.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by soheil on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:14PM (#32933328)
Because I'm not trying to prove that it did or not, but rather make parallels between that and OpenAI's name. For I care it could be an urban legend, but who cares that's not the point.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by jsight on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:41PM (#32930475)
You are right, it could be. The problem is that its the kind of thing that would be almost impossible to disprove if it were false. So you can always raise doubts about a supposed disproof.

But it'd be really easy to prove if it were true and noone has offered proof. And there've been plenty of people who've looked for such proof, afaict.

My default assumption in such cases is that it is likely false.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by jefftk on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:10PM (#32929987)
If this was more than an urban legend someone would be able to dig up a company with this name and some indication that McD was working with them.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by sam_goody on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:53PM (#32931368)
It definitely happens.

There are at least two companies that have branded [..] Kosher Gelatin™. One of them makes gelatin that is considered non-kosher by all of the major kashrus agencies.

"Kosher Gelatin®", when in the ingredients, just means the product contains pork.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by mrtranscendence on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:07PM (#32932806)
For what it's worth, I've spent a few minutes googling and can't find any story that corroborates this. The only US trademark I can find around "kosher gelatin" is by the brand Kolatin, which is apparently certified Kosher.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by samatman on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:54PM (#32934328)
I believe that you believe this, but you got had. Pretty funny though.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by whichfawkes on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @03:44PM (#32930513)
In the US, for a while I remember we had billboards advertising McDonald's burgers as being "1 <hamburger> <hamburger>% beef". Because the hamburgers were of course circular, it looked kind of like "100%".

I remember thinking that surely an image of a hamburger does not legally constitute a zero.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by amelius on Thursday September 22, 2022 @06:22AM (#32936947)
If consumer laws are so easily circumvented then I have little respect for those making these laws.