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Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by wging on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @02:46PM (#32929551)
Doesn't it mean 100% of your content needs to be double-checked? You can't easily identify which 2-3% of your content has errors. I'm aware that errors are more likely when the model is less confident of its predictions, but that shouldn't be enough.

(edit for clarification: errors are not always something like "[UNINTELLIGIBLE]", where the system knows it doesn't know; they can also be misrecognitions that the system believes in with high confidence.)

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:24PM (#32931024)
By the time you're prosecuting someone in court, yes of course you double, triple, quadruple check everything. That's why lawyers get paid the big bucks (for now...). But yes you can identify which content probably has errors and flag it as such.

Look, I have decades of experience dealing with human speech, and not just as an editor - I can trace the human voice from neural impulses in Broca's region through the physiology of vocal production, mechanical transduction into electrical signals, discrete fourier transforms of the resultant waveforms into spectral information and back again, the reproduction of altered signals from time-aligned speakers to create a sense of spatialization, how those are processed in the human ear, and how the cilia are connected by nerves back to your brain. I'm a good enough editor that I can recognize many short words by sight of a waveform, or make 10 edits in a row by sight and know it will sound good on playback.

So when I say that machine transcription is as good as human realtime transcription now, I say so with the clear expectation that those decades of craft are very close to being rendered obsolete. I absolutely expect to hand off the mechanical part of editing to a machine within 2 years or so. It's already at the stage where I edit some interviews as text, like in a word processor, and then export the edited document as audio and it's Good Enough - not for every speaker, but more than half the time.

NPR and a lot of commercial broadcasters cut their material this way already, because you can get the same result from 30 minutes of reading and text editing that would require 3 hours of pure audio editing with no transcription.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by frognumber on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @10:12PM (#32934085)
What tools do you use to do this? I once hacked together an editor like this maybe a decade ago -- edit speech as text from OCR -- and sorely need one now.

Alignment of video to text is a big problem for me too.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by boundlessdreamz on Thursday September 22, 2022 @12:41AM (#32934855)
This can be done via https://www.descript.com/ You can edit video/audio by editing the transcript.

You can even add/modify words that weren't originally there https://www.descript.com/overdub

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by frognumber on Friday September 23, 2022 @07:54AM (#32950668)
Thank you!
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by yourapostasy on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:25AM (#32937411)
> So when I say that machine transcription is as good as human realtime transcription now...

Would you go as far as to assert machine transcription can be used as an objective benchmark of a speaker’s verbal legibility?

It is fraught with political and interpersonal dynamics to approach someone even privately one on one today and gently suggest their career would get a huge boost if they hired a voice coach to help improve their verbal communication delivery. So even when I don’t directly mention their accent, it becomes a very sensitive subject with many.

However, if audio professionals like you can point to a system and say the raw biomechanics and acoustic physics of the world dictate that this is as physically and psychometrically good as audio parsing of human speech gets regardless whether the system was biologically evolved or ML evolved, the conversation can be couched even more objectively.

I enable recording and voice transcription in every meeting I can (ostensibly for DE&I but really for my own selfish purposes), and already observe in myself I have to work hard to overcome a tendency to gloss over speakers who don’t transcribe well when I review meeting transcripts to jot down any key information I might have missed taking notes upon during the meeting.

Note that I’m perfectly aware that my foreign language verbal skills are nowhere near the English skills of those I have tried to help. If the lingua franca of the coding world switched to Urdu tomorrow, then I’d hire help to learn and polish my spoken Urdu, like I went to a speech coach when learning public speaking because I can always use help in the many skills I lack.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by etienne618 on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @06:46PM (#32932584)
Presumably you can use the 97% that is correctly transcribed to rapidly filter out the relevant content. This is likely to be only a small portion of the total content. Then you check 100% of that.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by woah on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @04:18PM (#32930959)
You double check things that you think are important, in this case, passages that will be used as evidence in court.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:33AM (#32940369)
> I'm aware that errors are more likely when the model is less confident of its predictions, but that shouldn't be enough.

Suppose 90% of the errors are in the 10% where the model is least confident. Then you can review just 10% of your content and take a 2% error rate down to 0.2% error rate.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by vivegi on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:26AM (#32940232)
You can also use multiple transcription engines and then use mismatches among the text streams to narrow down the % of content that needs to be reviewed. This is quite similar to multi-voting OCR for document images.

The principle is that the engines have different failure modes (hopefully) and therefore the 2-3% error rate of each engine is in different areas of the audio. The key underlying assumption is that the events are mutually exclusive.

With 3 engines, you can use something like 2-of-3 stream matches to override the stream that mismatches.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by u8 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @11:03AM (#32939826)
I had to do a lot of manual transcription in Journalism school. Using a tool like Descript saved HOURS of my life. Generally it was 80% accurate, but going over an two-hour-long recording again at 3x speed while reading over the transcript, fixing errors from memory or pausing took a five hour job down to 30-40 minutes. Either way, somebody is going to have to listen to the recording. This just removes a layer of grunt work.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by TheCapeGreek on Thursday September 22, 2022 @07:23AM (#32937396)
Having done audio transcription in college as a side gig, it takes a lot longer than it sounds. Even at a decent 100wpm you'll take about 5 minutes to type out 1 minute of audio.

Not having to pause + rewind will save a ton of time for that 3%.

Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by guelo on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @05:26PM (#32931727)
Maybe you could run the text through a grammar checker to identify the errors.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by thfuran on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @07:14PM (#32932872)
That might work if people were required to speak grammatically.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:11PM (#32933310)
For real. The way people normally speak, with backtracking, repetition, restarting sentences, or stopping mid sentence and starting a new one with entirely different nouns or entire subjects is perfectly normal in synchronous conversation and isn't jarring, but written down as is, it's like 40% noise.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by worthless-trash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @08:53PM (#32933578)
For a good example of this, read ANY of trumps speaches transcribed.
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by NaturalPhallacy on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @09:48PM (#32933952)
I mean if you want to make it unnecessarily political, Biden's are worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bWM1zsnTJc
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by gzer0 on Thursday September 22, 2022 @01:45AM (#32935156)
To be fair, you chose a video that displays an amalgamation of the biggest gaffes of 2021 for Biden.

“During his term as President of the United States, Donald Trump made tens of thousands of false or misleading claims. The Washington Post's fact-checker had tallied the number as 30,573 by January 2021, an average of about 21 per day by the end of his presidency.” [1][2][3][4]

I think it’s fair to say there would be a 100 hour long plus video / documentary if they were all compiled into one. lovely!

  - [1] Fact Checker (January 20, 2021). "In four years, President Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on January 20, 2021.

  - [2] Kessler, Glenn (January 23, 2021). "Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on January 24, 2021. Retrieved January 24, 2021.

  - [3] Elfrink, Tim (August 14, 2020). "'Do you regret at all, all the lying you've done?': A reporter's blunt question to Trump goes unanswered". The Washington Post. Retrieved August 14, 2020.
[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Do...
Re:Whisper – open source speech recognition by OpenAI by worthless-trash on Wednesday September 21, 2022 @11:05PM (#32934375)
Oh no no, i wasn't trying to be political, its just one that I read.. and wow you're right!