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Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by mediaman on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:36PM (#27923216)
I'm really surprised that Blizzard thinks a state suit against them for sexual discrimination, harassment, and a litany of odious behaviors by managers is best answered by calling them "unaccountable State bureaucrats," as they did in their PR damage control release. It's like they think it's 1995 and MeToo never happened.

In the suit, the state even attempted a mediated resolution to prevent it from going to court. But Blizzard refused to cooperate, essentially taunting the state to bring a case, which they now have.

It really makes you question whether Bobby Kotick is the right guy as CEO. Not only did he fail to demonstrate ethical leadership, but his handling of this crisis is massively destructive of shareholder value.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ashtonkem on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:26PM (#27923865)
Another day, another situation where the best way forward was “we don’t comment on ongoing litigation”.

Less glib, this past year has taught me that a lot of companies are led by genuinely unintelligent people. The number of short sighted, self destructive, and downright childish behavior coming from the C suite of even some big companies has been nearly endless. The idea that Blizzard is led by someone so impulsive that he basically goaded the state into suing him is unsurprising.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by darth_avocado on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:46PM (#27924751)
You'd be surprised how many people in upper management have very fragile egos, regardless of the company. Childish behavior is very common in the industry. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've had to call senior members out and the only reason I could do that (unfortunately) was that I am a dude. I really sympathize with anyone who has to deal with these people.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by cletus on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:49PM (#27926110)
Hypothesis: what you're labelling as "childish behaviour" is in fact "narcissism".
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by krageon on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:33AM (#27929529)
I think it's a little far-reaching to apply a pretty serious psychiatric evaluation (i.e. something meant to diagnose a significant mental deviation from the norm) to a pattern of behaviour that's incredibly common. Because it is so common, it becomes the norm. It is therefore more reasonable to assume it really is childish behaviour.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by jjeaff on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:23AM (#27930976)
Narcissism isn't just a medical diagnosis. It's also just a character trait used to describe extreme selfishness outside of psychiatric circles.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ashtonkem on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:52AM (#27931340)
Certain personality disorders become much more prevalent in certain jobs. CEOs are much more likely to be sociopaths than the general population, for example. Is it a stretch to assume that NPD might be similarly more common in high status positions?
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by tacitusarc on Friday July 23, 2021 @11:30AM (#27931781)
Common misconception about sociopathic ceos: https://www.spsp.org/news-center/blog/landay-harms-psychopat...
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ashtonkem on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:10PM (#27934459)
I find this very unpersuasive. Especially where it is arguing against claims not commonly made by such studies:

> We also found that leaders with psychopathic tendencies were slightly less effective at their jobs in terms of fostering productivity.

Usually the argument is that sociopaths rise to this level of power and eventually flame out. I’ve never seen any argument that sociopathy tends to make you a good CEO, but rather than it makes you more likely to rise to that level.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by throwaway98797 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:05PM (#27925404)
might be that sensitivity to stimulation is key for getting shit done … until it isnt.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by jonny_eh on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:44PM (#27924734)
And yet the leadership is compensated as if they're the only ones fit to lead.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by raxxorrax on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:47AM (#27928584)
They aren't unintelligent. There are almost no consequences for bad behavior.

Even if they are found guilty on all charges, it wouldn't affect their bottom line too much.

But there may be other factors. Companies that sacrificed employees for the public mob did get into problems with their employees.

If they are found guilty, which I think is very likely, their statement is indeed not too smart though.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday July 22, 2021 @09:20PM (#27926253)
It's almost like they're regular people, just like the rest of us.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by tdsamardzhiev on Friday July 23, 2021 @05:05PM (#27935623)
Most regular people don't try to cover up sexual harassment.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ashtonkem on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:07AM (#27940598)
I personally would have a hard time not immediately applying violence to the accused harasser.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by jjeaff on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:25AM (#27931001)
Most regular people don't have such fragile egos.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by rodgerd on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:38PM (#27925644)
> Less glib, this past year has taught me that a lot of companies are led by genuinely unintelligent people.

There's a reason that "meritocracy" was invented as a term to mock the state of things. It's a myth. It was always a myth. A joke.

The people selling the notion that the way things are is the result of a meritocracy is the secular Western equivalent of people using caste as a justification for shabby treatment of have-nots.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by pcwalton on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:55PM (#27924843)
> It's like they think it's 1995 and MeToo never happened.

They've also seemed to have forgotten that they're located in California. This is the type of thing you might say if you were in Texas and wanted to politicize the issue in the hopes of getting Greg Abbott to take your side. But here, it's just digging a deeper hole. I'm dumbfounded that any PR department would sign off on this.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by projectazorian on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:38PM (#27925207)
They may intend to take this all the way to the Supreme Court, and with the court's current composition, there's an excellent chance they win and even get the underlying statute neutered or struck down.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by pcwalton on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:09PM (#27925432)
If the executives think it's anything remotely resembling a reasonable use of company assets to fight workplace discrimination laws on constitutional grounds, the board should fire them, and if they don't, the shareholders should fire the board. ATVI is a large publicly traded corporation. It's not Hobby Lobby.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by an_opabinia on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:26PM (#27925544)
???

That’s not how this stuff works at all. This is a dispute over the facts, and how much money the facts are worth, and to whom. Someone in California DOJ had a 15 minute meeting with their people and ATVI people and already decided that ATVI is going to face a fine to be paid to its female complainant former employees, the next three years of lawsuit is a ceremony enacting that.

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Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by the_optimist on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:25PM (#27925966)
You can keep this very poorly constructed bridge. Please do better providing an actual argument rather than careening around slandering people.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by hdhjebebeb on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:51PM (#27925748)
I would love to hear a theory for how the supreme court could take this case. Free exercise?
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Eric_WVGG on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:56PM (#27926133)
can you even imagine that being worth all the bad press and ill will this’ll cost them
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by HelloNurse on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:25AM (#27931005)
Unless they are picked on for a very successful boycott, it's going to be mostly aversion from current and potential employees, with Google-like staff evaporation but with much lower attractiveness.

Does Activision have backup studios in "developing countries" or other clever plans?

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by cwkoss on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:41PM (#27923279)
Its interesting to see how the quality of the games Blizzard produces and the company culture both seemed to decline sharply in lockstep after being acquired by Activision in 2008.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by phillryu on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:05PM (#27923623)
After 2008 Blizzard produced Hearthstone, Overwatch and Reaper of Souls which consensus 'fixed' Diablo 3 and were all pretty great. So I can't comment about the culture but I disagree with the general narrative that Blizzard's games have gone off a cliff. That might still be coming, but it hasn't happened quite yet.

Edit: snipped the bit about Hero's of the Storm since that was post acquisition

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by emptysongglass on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:16PM (#27923768)
In my opinion the downfall of Blizzard started even earlier in 2004. Ever since World of Warcraft their writing and worldbuilding has stumbled off a cliff. StarCraft's storyline was fantastic and its world spectacularly gritty. The weird whirring mechano-head of the adjutants and bodily entombed dragoons are just some examples of the kooky minds working at the studio at that time.

With the cartoonish push that World of Warcraft presaged I saw the wider ambitions to appeal to everyone which washed out the magic for me. Blizzard wasn't alone in this but it broke my heart as a kid who grew up on Sabriel and The Book of the New Sun and Baldur's Gate and EverQuest to watch all those game companies lurch forward to a blank-eyed glossed future.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:24PM (#27923842)
> and bodily entombed dragoons

Meh. It is an undeniable direct Warhammer 40K plagiarism: before coming up with their own StarCraft universe, Blizzard tried and failed to secure rights for Warhammer 40K setting. So it is easy to see the source of their 'inspiration'.

They had many bright moments, but this one is not one they came up with themselves.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by aeturnum on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:06PM (#27924350)
I think Starcraft and Warcraft before it are both stellar examples of inventive remixing and borrowing from existing worlds. That is very different from plagiarism.

Games Workshop does not own the copyright on nearly-dead-warriors-entombed-in-exoskeletons. Nor did they invent the idea of the nearly dead being sustained by cybernetics, or of using robotics to assist those of limited physical ability. We all are inspired by things.

It's especially odd to talk about about "Warhammer" or "Starcraft" as if they are managed by a single human, when in fact all of these worlds are written and envisioned by a multi-generational army of creative people who are all drawing on sources to come up with ideas. Are all of the employees of GW who write about dreadnoughts plagiarizing the employee who came up with the idea?

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Retric on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:40PM (#27925655)
Starcraft copied a lot more than just that from Warhammer.

Tyranids giant biological hive mind that rapidly adapts to new environments consuming or infecting existing species to plunder their genetic advantages. Also have plenty of units that looks rather similar to their Zerg equivalents.

The basic look of space marines and Starcraft marines are completely different why they toned down the skulls and well that’s about it.

That’s fine at least they didn’t copy the ancient psionic technology using Eldar who, wait never mind.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by aeturnum on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:27PM (#27925972)
So what you're saying is that we shouldn't respect creative works that are too similar to their inspirations and you think a good example of the creative work we should respect is...Warhammer?

"It’s all in here, the neolithic bones of our current game system. Borrowing heavily from Tolkein, you get all the standard Fantasy races, standard beasties (heck even the Balrog is in there by name), and so many others...There is no Old World, no Warhammer world, no history, just some little crazed and revolutionary rules for using units of fantasy lead miniatures to fight out epic battles."[1]

[1] https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/01/lore-unboxing-warham...

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Retric on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:59PM (#27926150)
Tossing a huge range of different properties in a blender is fine, ripping off a single property is just lazy. Which sounds more original pure Harry Potter fan fiction or ER the TV show + Harry Potter + Cheers the TV show.

Draw evenly from M*A*S*H + Dresden Files + Mass Effect + Dexter and your going to end up in some strange and interesting places. Play through Starcraft 1+2 on the other hand and the story is fine if a bit bland.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Retric on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:07AM (#27930212)
Also, Warhammer 40k heavily diverged from the original Warhammer.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by aeturnum on Friday July 23, 2021 @01:50PM (#27933624)
I absolutely agree that Blizzard's worlds are weaker than Games Workshop's. GW has a real talent for genre fiction, where Blizzard struggles with the basics of plot structure.

The thing I disagree with is that Blizzard's problem is that they 'copied.' Everyone copies! The bits that Blizzard copied are the most compelling part of Starcraft. The reason it is weak is that they were not better at drawing on the ideas of others. They did not understand what was compelling about 40k, so they create this unsatisfying narrative mishmash.

Warhammer FB -> Warhammer 40k is a great example of this being done better. You could type out the same kind of demeaning summary of Warhammer 40k as you did for Starcraft: "Tyranids are gross, chitinous just like Geiger's xenomorph; the Eldar are just space-high-elves; The squats are just space dwarves." It's all true, as far as it goes. But - because GW is better than Blizzard - they went further and added other ideas (many of which also came from other works). The problem is never that they drew on other sources. In fact, looking at other worlds and using the core of what 'works' about that world before transforming it is at the center of basically all good works.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by username90 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @11:18PM (#27926813)
> Tyranids giant biological hive mind that rapidly adapts to new environments consuming or infecting existing species to plunder their genetic advantages. Also have plenty of units that looks rather similar to their Zerg equivalents.

Tyranids barely existed when Starcraft got released, most of the things you talked about was created by games workshop afterwards, so likely they copied Starcraft instead.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Retric on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:01AM (#27930159)
Tyranids where part of the 1987 version of 40k and barely mentioned. Genestealers were first introduced in the board game Space Hulk published in 1989 and introduced into the Tyranids well before Starcraft’s release date.

1993, featured the Tyranids in the supplemental books Wargear and Codex Imperialis, and then later in their own devoted army Codex.

By comparison Starcraft 1 is from 1998 at which point Tyranids had gone through multiple revisions and had fairly close to their modern lore.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by lapsed_pacifist on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:33PM (#27937661)
>Tyranids giant biological hive mind that rapidly adapts to new environments consuming or infecting existing species to plunder their genetic advantages.

Sounds like GW copied that from Heinlein's Starship Troopers, or maybe Enders Game.

Ditto the Space Marines.

Culture is just copying/remixing, all the way down.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Retric on Friday July 23, 2021 @10:43PM (#27937983)
Enders game’s alien are quite different from both they aren’t a single unified hive mind but a species of queens and mindless drones using biological technology rather than literally being the ships or having a wide range of forms, also no rapid evolution or gene stealing etc. Starship Troupers share even less they don’t even use starships, aren’t a unified hive mind, etc their both great example of sci-fi space biological armies being a fairly huge space for different ideas.

Remixing at least involves using multiple sources, my only real issue is SC both only copied from 40k and changed so little. It’s like the figured after just crossing just past the line of copyright infringement was enough and they would go no further. But hey they did the same with the original Warhammer game to make Warcraft and that worked out just fine for them.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by emptysongglass on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:38PM (#27924001)
Like dreadnoughts? I'd argue fantasy and science fiction is all iterating over itself endlessly and there's creative ways of doing it. Plunging dragoons into a liquid bath puts dragoons at something of a cross-section of evangelion and 40k tomb-mech.

I could go on. The ghosts exhaling poison vapor with spider eyes or hydralisks vomiting buckets of saliva. Sunken colonies with their long knife-tongues; the Creep. As a whole I think Blizzard really made something special.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by learc83 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:51PM (#27924160)
I grew up on Warcraft 2, and to me the cartoonish look of WoW was a direct continuation of the art style from that game. I was in the WoW beta. The first time I played it my initial reaction was that it looked exactly like I had stepped into Warcraft.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by emptysongglass on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:58PM (#27924239)
I see your point with Warcraft 2 though I do think a lot of the art from then leant more to the gritty like this one [1] that shows a troll squaring off with a human.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/pJ0entX_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&...

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by learc83 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:01PM (#27924273)
The game manuals always were pretty gritty compared to the in-game art.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by astrange on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:30PM (#27925572)
I remember looking at this in the manual as a kid and thinking the archer was about to have a bad time.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by tremon on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:04PM (#27924931)
shows a troll squaring off with a human

An elf, rather (elven archer).

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by pvg on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:48PM (#27925287)
I think initial development/prototyping was done as an offshoot of the WC3 engine so in a sense you were stepping into Warcraft. That's not to take anything away from the great design and art direction consistency between these titles - just that it also had a practical technical component.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by cwkoss on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:06PM (#27924352)
I agree with this. Early Blizzard games had amazing worldbuilding and great single player experiences, with good multiplayer options.

After WoW's success they seemed to try to pigeonhole all of their properties in the same direction, SC2 and D3 were quite clearly online/multiplayer first with single player as an afterthought, and the world depth felt lacking. Hearthstone's alright but feels like it has too much focus on PvP games and loot box mechanics.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by tomc1985 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:57PM (#27924866)
Hearthstone's aesthetic reminds me of the parallel world of stuff that religious groups always make (Christian music, Christian books, etc), and I found it really offputting.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by rtkwe on Friday July 23, 2021 @08:03PM (#27937151)
StarCraft's big success and fame came from PvP instead of CPU matches though so it's not super surprising.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by oblio on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:44AM (#27928234)
> With the cartoonish push that World of Warcraft presaged I saw the wider ambitions to appeal to everyone which washed out the magic for me.

You're looking at it through rose tinted glasses. Blizzard has always been about a cartoonish look. That's why I like their games. Realism always falls into the "uncanny valley" territory for me.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by baud147258 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:39PM (#27925648)
> cartoonish push that World of Warcraft

wasn't the cartoonish style already present in Warcraft 3?

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by spcebar on Friday July 23, 2021 @08:17AM (#27929835)
There's nothing cartoonist about flying sheep and giant drunken pandas.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by adamkittelson on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:30PM (#27923908)
The fact that Diablo 3 needed to be "fixed" supports the narrative. Also the fact that executives didn't realize it had been fixed and cancelled the 2nd Diablo 3 expansion. The Warcraft III remaster was a disaster. Three out of the last four World of Warcraft expansions have been poorly received. There does seem to be a pattern of decline.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by brailsafe on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:05PM (#27924334)
Which 3 of the last 4? Legion, BfA, and now SL have all been received quite well I think.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by blibble on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:43PM (#27926073)
BfA and WoD were universally panned

and SL is hardly loved (it's now being compared to WoD)

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by brailsafe on Friday July 23, 2021 @12:08AM (#27927092)
Well, I think SL is alright. I wouldn't say I love it, but I do that's more of a symptom of core gameplay mechanics rather than particular content. What do you dislike about SL?
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by blacktriangle on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:35PM (#27924640)
of the last 4, (ie WoD, Legion, BfA, and SL), Legion was the only one that you could call well received. WoD, BfA, and SL are all utter shit.

WoD deserves a special place in game design hell for choosing to implement garrisons over another tier of raid content.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by brailsafe on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:10PM (#27924985)
This is a common sentiment I hear from people who bailed during WoD and have just been looking at public commentary about the rest. Everyone I spoke to in-game were at least meh about BfA, loved Legion, and were still stoked on SL until the new patch just took a bit too long. There are legit criticisms of all of them, but to say they're shit is just silly. Those same people also tended to love MoP fwiw.

My only real criticism is related to the majority of all game content being kind of irrelevant, because there isn't a long road to max level and no scarcity of exp. However, I did level through BfA content, and it was really well done.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Accacin on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:29PM (#27925135)
I'm odd in that I actually loved WoD, aside from Garrisons. Legion had it's moment of greatness, around the fourth patch it was great.

BfA and Shadowlands are incredibly bad, for casual players there's really nothing interesting to do, and raiders and stuck behind meaningless time gates. It's quite sad to see my friends list now, no one is playing - and a new patch has just been released.

I'm a huge fan, but I've also stopped playing. Blizzard feel like they've been ahead for so long they forget what made their games great. Saying that though, it only takes on incredible expansion for everyone to jump back.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by brailsafe on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:38PM (#27925206)
I've gone back to level through WoD, and I was very impressed with Draenor and HFC. I have no personal qualms with that expansion other than what I hear about.

I think I agree with your commentary about SL, but I just said the same thing in a different way. BfA had a bit more interesting content though in that respect. They were not 'incredibly bad' by my estimation, just have their various flaws.

With regard to friends list, I stopped playing shortly before new patch drop, but mostly because it's summer and WoW in general just makes it way too easy to spend time indoors. I was following the world first race though, and would love to raid SoD and do BGs. But, before letting my sub expire I went and farmed out all the Mechagon mounts and most interesting rare drop mounts, had my fill of Nathria, and a bit of Mythic+ as miserable as that is. Could have been more fun with a proper gaming setup and guild, but I knew summer was coming up and I'd want to dial my playtime back to zero.

This is all after a decade long hiatus.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by blacktriangle on Friday July 23, 2021 @05:49PM (#27936020)
In fairness to WoD the leveling experience really was great. However they utterly gutted combat mechanics which I think is a big part of why people coming from MoP into WoD hated it so much. And then the content drought...
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ggregoire on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:33PM (#27924618)
> I disagree with the general narrative that Blizzard's games have gone off a cliff. That might still be coming, but it hasn't happened quite yet.

Have you played the last 2 World of Warcraft extensions? Or Warcraft 3: Reforged, the only "new game" they released since 2016, which is also commonly known as Warcraft 3: Refunded? [1][2]

[1] https://www.warcraft3refunded.com

[2] https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/blizzard-botched-warcraft-iii-re... (published 7 hours ago)

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Spoom on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:55PM (#27923492)
I remember Activision generally being a publisher of terrible licensed games in the 90s, so I wasn't too surprised by that.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by jonny_eh on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:46PM (#27924764)
Even Blizzard wasn't spared from making a bad licensed game in the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Task_Force_(vid...
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by rodgerd on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:40PM (#27925657)
The person named in the suit was at Blizzard since 2004. This is nonsense.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by NelsonMinar on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:03PM (#27924914)
Bobby Kotick settled a sexual harassment lawsuit against him, personally, in 2010. Kotick fired a woman who was not interested in being the "arm candy" for his private pilot. https://kotaku.com/activision-boss-loses-legal-battle-over-s...

Perhaps that makes him the "right guy as CEO". You know, culture fit.

(It's not all Bobby's fault though: pre-Activision Blizzard folks are named too.)

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by albatross13 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:45PM (#27923350)
I've been saying this, jokingly, for awhile now: Blizzard is a law firm that just happens to make video games. I'm sure they went this route because they think they can win (I mean clearly, right? Who goes to court thinking they'll lose). Anyways, not super insightful either way but they do litigate a lot.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by mediaman on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:55PM (#27923491)
It's an interesting point. On the other hand, many of these state prosecutors are very afraid of losing: many of them have gone the "golden career route" of name-brand schools and law firms, and shy away from any possible failure.

That's mostly bad, because they won't bring cases that are worthy but risky to their career.

When they do ultimately bring a case, though, it means it's strong.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by albatross13 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:53PM (#27924188)
I'm inclined to agree with you, honestly- my comment was more just me musing aloud about Blizzard's hubris in the face of the law. They've also lawyered up and ruined a lot of good vanilla WoW private servers, which I think adds to their hubris- fighting a state in court is going to be a lot more involved than telling a few nerds online to stop running a WoW server.

Anyways, I think you're correct and I personally look forward to Blizzard losing.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by astrange on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:33PM (#27925585)
My vague understanding is that federal prosecutors are the extremely conservative ones, but state are more likely to prosecute - for instance because the AG is elected and wants to be seen doing something.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by benglish11 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @08:31PM (#27926000)
These state Human Relations/Civil Rights board are headed by appointed officials from the executive branch (not the AG). They generally pass on many cases (when you want to sue your employer you have to submit your case there first and they pass on the vast majority even though many of those cases have strong merits) so if they’re picking up the case that generally means it’s strong
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by raxxorrax on Friday July 23, 2021 @06:50AM (#27929277)
Not sure. A case like this brings extreme publicity. And loosing would not necessarily attributed to the lawyer. In that case it would be an industry that suppresses women.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by duxup on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:46PM (#27923367)
Yeah I'm flabbergasted by some PR releases lately. It's like some rando VP or someone decided to slip their personal ideology in there.

How many hands did that pass through and nobody was brave enough to strike that line? It adds nothing positive.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by tomilola39 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:42PM (#27924053)
Have you seen this one from Google from earlier this year (https://blog.google/products/news/google-commitment-supporti...)?

Yikes.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by romwell on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:48PM (#27925721)
This from Kent "need-to-know" Walker?

AKA the guy that single-handedly turned Google's culture from transparency-first to siloing-first by making looking at "need-to-know" information a fireable offense[1].

The Catch-22 here being, of course, that you don't know that you didn't need to know until you know.

That's to say, the only way to know if you have violated this policy is by violating it.

The result was, unsurprisingly, that where sharing permissions for documentation were default company-wide earlier, it quickly became "you need to know the right people to ask to get access to it".

Google, with its mission to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful", thus made its own technical documents unsearchable in internal engines (and thus, disorganized), inaccessible, and therefore, useless.

Everything that drops from that person's mouth is toxic.

[1]https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/google...

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by rhacker on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:47PM (#27924773)
Wow, yikes indeed. This kind of thing reminds me of ebay from last year:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/six-former-ebay-employees...

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by fumar on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:48PM (#27924780)
What about this is bad? Attacking Microsoft?
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by elliekelly on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:46PM (#27924757)
> How many hands did that pass through and nobody was brave enough to strike that line? It adds nothing positive.

Perhaps I'm a cynic but I assumed that was the "compromise" version of the language and the original draft was worse.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by nostromo on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:06PM (#27923645)
You can support MeToo and also agree California does have a problem with unaccountable state bureaucrats run amok.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by duxup on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:33PM (#27923944)
You can but mixing both thoughts at once is kinda weird.

In this case they're kinda pulling in different directions and ... I dunno probably best to just stick to one topic as far as a press release goes.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ErikVandeWater on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:29PM (#27925134)
The point of defensive press releases is often to confuse the public about the matter. People don't remember what they don't understand.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by duxup on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:34AM (#27930469)
The only confusion I have is how Blizzard would release such a wonky press release... that's it.

I don't think the public reads press releases otherwise.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by jcranmer on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:43PM (#27923323)
> I'm really surprised that Blizzard thinks a state suit against them for sexual discrimination, harassment, and a litany of odious behaviors by managers is best answered by calling them "unaccountable State bureaucrats," as they did in their PR damage control release. It's like they think it's 1995 and MeToo never happened.

It's about ethics in game journalism! Er, ethics in government?

The sad part is that I suspect many of the individuals involved actually believe that sentiment.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Gibbon1 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:12PM (#27923713)
To me it seems that of late a lot of members of the management caste are suffering from a sort of collective delusion.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by arkitaip on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:26PM (#27923857)
They are in utter panic and are acting out like a bunch of toddlers.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by anonymousab on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:29PM (#27925141)
> It's like they think it's 1995 and MeToo never happened.

I see it more as them either waking up to the relative supremacy of and latent unaccountability afforded to the modern Big Corporation, or finally being bold enough to drop the pretense of being an "equal" member of society. There is no need to be polite when your company's position is secure and permanent.

That is, the government and society being mad at them does not matter, for their profits are still guaranteed. The only question is whether the stock will go up right after losing the lawsuit, or a few days later.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by taurath on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:39PM (#27924007)
This is what paying someone $150 million in a year gets you. Try the $10 CEO I’ll bet it’ll go better.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by blibble on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:10PM (#27925442)
kotick lost a sexual harassment lawsuit in 2010

additonally, a phone number of "Kotick (Activision)" was photographed on Epstein's rolodex

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by Qw3r7 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:49PM (#27923417)
Bobby is your guy if you want great your company's stock to gain value.

I personally would never want him as a leader, yet alone a CEO. Ethically, I wouldn't be okay.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by dillondoyle on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:58PM (#27925355)
PR has changed in them last 3 years dramatically.

Now the standard is just a flat out lie.

Used to be either no comment or getting the shit out yourself with apologies appeal to emotion and move on.

There are so many Trump-style statements I read in news every day. An article from ProPublica today on China's extra judicial kidnappings abroad had quotes from CCP that could have been Trump but flipped.

It's scary that the truth doesn't matter anymore to a significant %, and another significant % are just so flustered and overwhelmed they move on.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by spamizbad on Thursday July 22, 2021 @07:59PM (#27925793)
> It's like they think it's 1995 and MeToo never happened.

Maybe they think their customers are more Gamer-gatey types, and will side with them over a bunch of underpaid, sexually-harassed female employees.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by ecf on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:12PM (#27924998)
> this crisis is massively destructive of shareholder value

So far the markets haven’t reflected that. How long does it normally take for serious allegations to start affecting the stock price?

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by oblio on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:46AM (#27928253)
In practice? Never.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by dfadsadsf on Friday July 23, 2021 @01:52AM (#27927644)
If there is one lesson from me too movement then that fighting back is often the best strategy. Kavanugh fought back and is now justice. Matt Gaetz fights back and is still in congress. Biden did not even acknowledge accuser and is now president. People who apologized or resigned often suffered much more dire professional consequences. Blizzard could have misjudged situation but may have also acted strategically that settlement will bring onslaught of bad publicity and new cases.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by raxxorrax on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:35AM (#27928515)
me too didn't achieve much I think. I doubt it did convince anyone and there is still some bad aftertaste with the Kavanaugh process.

Some said they didn't care about sexual harassment from certain political parties and just used it as a political cudgel. Those that genuinely fought for reproductive rights got completely shafted and I think they are even worse than before.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by randyrand on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:25PM (#27924528)
was MeToo something significant? I thought it was just a hashtag “movement” like countless others.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by azornathogron on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:28PM (#27924569)
It seemed significant in the media arena to me. I mean, it basically took down Harvey Weinstein, right? That's not nothing.
Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by munk-a on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:36PM (#27924651)
It also managed to absolutely torpedo an incredibly popular series - don't forget that Kevin Spacey went down during MeToo as well.

I know that women still feel frequently disempowered in the workplace but I hope the movement helped them feel like they've got more widespread support than they did before. Once upon a time sexual harassment claims were seen as direct attacks on the success and health of a company "Gosh Susan, if you just told us in private we'd deal with it - instead you've cost all these people their jobs" - I think that impression has very much shifted. If you're being harassed then the company is failing at it's mission, any ill effect that comes to the company as a result of the report is a consequence the company should've (and failed to) protect themselves from by having a more robust and responsive HR department.

Re:California sues Activision Blizzard over unequal pay, sex... by nodejs_rulez_1 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:55PM (#27924846)
Due process is coming back into fashion.