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Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by itsoktocry on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:31PM (#27900540)
>I think some businesses are going out of businesses because they stubbornly refuse to raise their wages

I'm skeptical that a business would choose to go out of business rather that give raises. Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think? I know small businesses like that.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AussieWog93 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:38PM (#27901335)
>I'm skeptical that a business would choose to go out of business rather that give raises. Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think? I know small businesses like that.

I run a small business. I know other small business owners. An MBA-like focus on hyperefficiency is rare. Usually people have their views about how the world should work and act in accordance with that.

Some people will come around, but plenty of others will fail to adapt, go out of business and blame "the economy".

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by systemvoltage on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:27PM (#27901701)
It doesn't take a MBA-like focus to think "Gee..only if we had more margin, we'd pay more".

This entire thread is totally out of touch with reality.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AussieWog93 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:45PM (#27901801)
>It doesn't take a MBA-like focus to think "Gee..only if we had more margin, we'd pay more".

It does take razor-sharp focus and constant innovation to work out how you can increase margin, though. You can't just arbitrarily raise prices without offering any additional value and expect your business to stay alive.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by Joker_vD on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:31AM (#27904107)
And yet that's precisely what lots of businesses do: raise the prices, cut the wages, drop the product quality. Oh no, the customers start losing the brand loyalty and go to the competitors, why on Earth, those ungrateful pigs!

It seems to be especially popular in the street food business and food industry in general over here: someone thinks that surely one can produce decent <insert whatever here> at reasonable cost and earn some good profit from it, and indeed they can, the customers are happy, the business is growing a-a-and then something happens and the market self-corrects: the price grows to the level of the competitors', and the quality drops to the competitors' level too, now the "playing field" is level again (all products are more or less equally mediocre and equally expensive), wait about a year for another entrepreneur to rinse and repeat this cycle.

There must be some objective reason why that happens though I am really not sure what it is. But whatever that reason is, it seems to have been working pretty much without exceptions for the past ten years at least.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by systemvoltage on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:15PM (#27901966)
Small businesses already have a razor sharp focus otherwise they'd disappear. Literally their margins are their bread. I find your take slighly condescending but I want to give you a benefit of the doubt - what makes you think small businesses aren't focused on optmizing their margins? Just like you, I am a small business partner and know many small business owners. If you put an MBA-educated person in charge, the opposite would happen. Reading HBR doesn't make you a qualified for optimizing a restaurant business. Neither does having an MBA degree.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AussieWog93 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:50PM (#27902147)
>Reading HBR doesn't make you a qualified for optimizing a restaurant business. Neither does having an MBA degree.

I think I understand the miscommunication now. Sorry for that!

I didn't mean to suggest that you need an MBA to run a small business, just that you need to be constantly optimising, innovating and focusing on raw numbers. I don't have an MBA, but from what I understand this is how MBAs are taught to think.

>I find your take slighly condescending but I want to give you a benefit of the doubt - what makes you think small businesses aren't focused on optmizing their margins?

Maybe it's the people we talk to? I definitely do know guys that are creative and sharp, but for every one of them there are 3 or 4 people who stubbornly refuse to adapt to changes in the market, fail to capture even low hanging fruit in terms of margin (big one is eCommerce businesses that make no effort to minimise postage costs), spend huge amounts of time on activities that bring in minimal value to the business and make no effort to expand into new product categories/markets or make use of new technology. It's just not how many people think.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 29083011397778 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:34PM (#27902066)
Is it possible there's multiple types of small business owners, and you're talking past each other? Because I'm sure some owners know where every dime goes, like you say. But the small business I work at currently doesn't work like that.

The small business I worked at previously was closer, but the owner worked longer hours, possibly for less pay, and absolutely had more responsibilities, than I ever did working there. And I assume that led to a divided focus, and in turn, not being able to focus solely on optimizing every dollar.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by jdgoesmarching on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:02AM (#27902508)
To be clear, you’re arguing that companies pay more when they increase their margin? The rest of this thread is out of touch for thinking otherwise? I don’t know, that definitely sounds like MBA-brain to me.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by sokoloff on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:53AM (#27903094)
I read it as “in order to pay more, we’d need to find a way to create more (gross) margin” (often because net margins are already slim).
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AKSucks on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:34AM (#27904127)
What's exceedingly common is an focus on what they think is efficiency (or really, what they see as "waste") which they think makes them a shrewd, smart, savvy business owner.

Distrust in their employees coupled with excessive monitoring on consumables and the like, I think is the most common.

I've patronized, worked at, or know people who worked at places where the employees are doing everything they can to keep a business running despite the owner....often doing what they can to keep said owner from getting their hands too deep into daily operations or in contact with customers.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by coldtea on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:55PM (#27901459)
>Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think?

If they can't give a decent wage [1] then they were not a viable business to begin with, regardless whether they can find some poor souls to work for them. If it takes a mandatory minimum wage to reveal that and bring their demise, so be it - let them stop putting a band-aid on part of the economy and have better businesses take their place.

[1] Which is not the same as: a wage someone will capitulate and agree to work for - there are always e.g. unregistered immigrants, single mothers working 2 jobs, people in emergecy desperately needing anything they can get, kids who just see it as a temp gig to get some pocket money but otherwise live with their parents, and so on, that are desparate for near substinence - or even below substinence...

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by bawolff on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:13AM (#27903258)
Given they essentially shut down their business, not being a viable business (anymore) seems the obvious conclusion.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AKSucks on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:41AM (#27904161)
"If they can't give a decent wage [1] then they were not a viable business to begin with"

Yep. 1000%. If your workers need to be on any form of government assistance, you're being subsidized.

Mr. Factory Owner does all sorts of bullshit like paying unlivable wages, not having any employees working over the number of hours at which they'd have to pay benefits, and so on.

But guess who's always got enough money to donate to republican and libertarian campaigns, and has very strong opinions about 'pulling yourself up by your bootstraps' and how wasteful government assistance is?

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by devwastaken on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:28AM (#27902641)
Restraunts are high turnover businesses, as in most new owners don't make it more than 2 years. Many small businesses are owned by people without much knowledge or experience outside of that business. Very little classical education/degrees. The only businesses that thrive become survivor bias, they believe what worked before is what will work now, not realizing that markets do change.

I can perfectly see a dysfunctional small company draining their business away by just not changing. Happens all the time on Kitchen Nightmares.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by wheels on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:58PM (#27902171)
In fact, restaurants are pretty much the pathological case of small businesses: they're a lot of work and a high percentage of them lose money. If your deli was already losing money, I can imagine a lot of owners deciding not to throw good money after bad.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by gwbas1c on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:02PM (#27901898)
> Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think

I suspect that some business owners will need to take a paycut in order to stay in business.

(I'm sure there are plenty of founders reading this article who sometimes pay their employees more than they pay themselves.)

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by bawolff on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:14AM (#27903272)
This is a small business not a start up or megacorporation. Owners are usually the first person to get a paycut when times are tough.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by _djo_ on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:06AM (#27904302)
You would be surprised. I've lost count of the number of small businesses I've seen where employees go unpaid or are underpaid to 'save the business' while the boss makes no such sacrifices.

Had to help a number of people applying to the local equivalent of a labour small claims court.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:37PM (#27900574)
One could argue the move to continue unemployment payments / covid payments is a strategy to "raise minimum wage" without actually having to pass any policy to do so. Politically it's brilliant, you gain the support of your voter base in 2yrs with the assumption that "cheap employers" will simply go out of business because nobody will work for them. And your more conservative base will champion you for "resisting to raise minimum wage".

I for one support raising minimum wage, but the automation / negative outcomes of menial labor being too expensive to hire for will happen whether or not the official minimum wage is increased. UBI is another debate entirely, however I'd also argue that UBI in time harms poor people more than it really helps them and just enriches huge companies and land-lords.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by opo on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:07AM (#27902225)
>...but the automation / negative outcomes of menial labor being too expensive to hire for will happen whether or not the official minimum wage is increased.

This is true, but obviously the rate at which this happens will matter.

In 1900, 41 percent of the US workforce was employed in agriculture. Due to increasing use of technology, 70 years later only 4 percent of the labor force worked in agriculture. If that loss of jobs had happened in say 20 years instead of 70 years, it obviously would have been a much more painful transition.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/44197/13566_ei...

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by lumost on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:27AM (#27902330)
Perhaps depressed wages are partly to blame for the lack of automation in the current economy. If there is labor scarcity it may unlock new innovations by forcing market participants to find more productive uses of labor.

Labor force participation has been falling for a long time as labor sellers (employees) fail to find an adequate price for their labor from employers (the buyer). Many economists assumed this was the fault of the labor seller for not having skills attractive to buyers. It's also possible that in certain segments employers were using labor in-efficiently, or simply miss-pricing the value of a worker.

Which is a long winded way of saying that a higher minimum wage may bring more labor into the market, while simultaneously forcing businesses to leverage automation to improve the productivity of said labor.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AKSucks on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:44AM (#27904178)
"Many economists assumed this was the fault of the labor seller for not having skills attractive to buyers"

Given the massive redistribution of wealth in the US for the last half a century it's pretty clear that's not true, and that what's really been going on is businesses have been squeezing "labor sellers" to death.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by shadilay on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:54AM (#27903931)
Absolutely this. Wages have been depressed for a long time which has severely hampered innovation. Historically the black death labor shortage led to the renaissance.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ajsnigrutin on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:10PM (#27901569)
The problem with both unemployment payments and UBI is, that someone has to pay them, and (in case of the first) they stop at some time.

If you get X money per month of unemployment and X+20% to work, then yeah, if it's not a fulfilling work (and let's be honest, what work at that price is fulfilling), you'll rather stay at home. Once the "free money" dries up, people will be forced to take the shitty jobs too, but due to many failed businesses, there will be even less jobs available, and this skews the jobs-vs-workers ratio, making wages even lower.

Making it easier (and cheaper) to start a business would create more jobs, raising the price of work, and replace the shitty jobs with better one (in terms of pay and conditions).

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:01PM (#27901893)
Yep, and in states with lots of illegal immigration the actual price of "labor" is heavily depressed since they're willing to work for basically anything.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by akiselev on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:27AM (#27902953)
If it's depressed it's because business owners who hire undocumented immigrants (often knowingly, even assisting with GC/visa fraud to pass I9 verification) are never, ever fined or punished.

Enforcement is a farce.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by runnerup on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @03:37AM (#27903417)
I bartended at a Mexican restaurant in USA around the Great Recession. The owners absolutely knowingly employed illegal immigrants.

Interestingly, the illegal immigrants generally got paid way more per hour (~30% higher) and also generally paid taxes via ITIN number. Eventually our restaurant got “raided” and the owners called around to find them new jobs at other places around town.

One guy lived with me for awhile. He eventually went back to Mexico because he saved a bunch of money and wanted to spend it on a real degree/career. The universities in our area told him they’d take his money and let him audit classes but wouldn’t be able to give him any proper documentation like a transcript or degree.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by AKSucks on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:56AM (#27904246)
Enforcement isn't a farce, its just focused on workers because employers are powerful and workers aren't.

The reason republicans are so hardline on immigration is because "illegal" workers are really easy to coerce and exploit.

They don't call the health department when you make them shit in a hole in the field. They don't call OSHA when you deny them access to water out in the field. They don't call the attorney general when you pay them by what they pick, or only start counting their hours after they've walked half an hour to the field they're picking, and stop paying them the second they stop picking instead of when they get back to their vehicle...because you're too cheap to provide a truck or bus and they'll walk for free. They don't call the police when one of the supervisors smacks them around for accidentally damaging some equipment. Etc.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ajsnigrutin on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:57PM (#27912723)
> Enforcement isn't a farce, its just focused on workers because employers are powerful and workers aren't.

I don't think many companies are powerful against ICE, especially small restaurants... there are probably political reasons why they choose to target employees and not employers.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:00PM (#27908880)
Completely agree, this is why where I grew up in TX many of the business owners who are stout conservatives are basically complete hypocrites since they hire illegals! Tbh I strongly advocate to grant citizenship or work visas to people from other countries who want to work, however the democrats still benefit year after year by kicking the dreamers down the road and never actually changing the immigration system.

If we replaced every millenial deadbeat who complains about how hard it is to be a barista with a hard working immigrant our country would be better off!

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by avidiax on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:09PM (#27901561)
That's an interesting take, but it seems like a post-hoc rationale/strategy to me.

Conservatives will block any rise in the minimum wage, but couldn't completely block additional unemployment benefits.

Progressives would back a rise in the minimum wage, but had to deliver on relief for the unemployed working class, so they did just that.

The secondary effect of rising wages was probably only something that conservatives were expecting.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ryanobjc on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:07AM (#27902854)
Disagree, many progressives totally also expected prices to rise.

The alternative of forcing people to go to work while covid-19 sick, or being laid off and facing total abject poverty, and such... well not very attractive.

Prices & wages going up was going to be inevitable with inflation, which was on the plate, even if unemployment was never expanded and we forced the working poor to work, or eat our of dumpsters.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:03PM (#27901902)
Yep, but at the end of the day anyone who's trying to build wealth or have anything left for retirement gets fucked by inflation. People who are spendthrift and receiving UBI or unemployment payments (long term) were never trying to do that anyways and their payments in theory would increase with inflation.

I'm a supporter of the idea of UBI but I just can't see the incentives panning out realistically.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by akiselev on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @02:30AM (#27902972)
How are the incentives panning out now? Every system has trade offs and the ones we've made seem to get worse and worse.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:57PM (#27908834)
Great, actually. I've worked my ass off, paid-off my student loans and live in a great city. By no means making crazy developer money either.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by mindslight on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:50AM (#27902450)
But price inflation is the policy goal regardless of minimum wage or UBI. In fact, government spending makes for better inflation in that it is spread around the economy, rather than lending based inflation that only shows up in CPI after it sends assets through the roof.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by 71a54xd on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @12:58PM (#27908848)
Could you go into more detail here? My head is still slow to digest economics concepts like this, but this is something I certainly haven't read about before.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by mindslight on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @05:07PM (#27912196)
The Federal Reserve's mandate is to make sure there is a steady level of gradual price inflation. The main way they accomplish this is to lower interest rates, so that more money gets lent out into circulation. But this new money only affects the Consumer Price Index via housing assets and other big ticket items that get financed - it doesn't directly bid up the demand for consumer goods.

Whereas if the federal government creates more money (via debt) and gives it out direct aid to the people, it goes right into the consumer market. Prices rise across the board, getting the CPI to the target level without the Federal Reserve having to lower rates.

There will always be inflation as long as the monetary policy is to create inflation. But government spending at least chooses somewhere explicit for it to end up, rather than the default option of just inflating financial assets (which we've had quite enough of).

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by chrisseaton on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:37PM (#27900961)
Am I the only person who thinks restaurant prices are pretty low? I'm sure they could go up quite a bit. Lunch out costs me maybe £15. Surely that could be £20 or so?
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by brandmeyer on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:52PM (#27901055)
20 GBP for lunch? Even at 10 USD I'll buy lunch only once in two weeks. A 20 USD lunch is a rare treat for special occasions only.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by coldtea on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:59PM (#27901486)
Surely it depends on the income level? There are people for which a $20 USD lunch everyday or close, is nothing to write home about.

In fact their time can be far more valuable (into what money they can command by doing some extra work), so that the opportunity cost between cooking and buying lunch to make it not worth to cook.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by brandmeyer on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:21PM (#27902001)
I'm just pointing out that the demand for eating out is highly elastic. If the restaurant industry as a whole raises prices relative to background inflation, then overall sales will fall and some will go out of business.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by lotsofpulp on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:09PM (#27901155)
The probability of the food from a restaurant being sufficiently tasty/nutritious is way too low compared to the effort required to make it at home for it to be worth spending 20GBP eating out all the time.

I also simply choose to eat out a maximum of 1 or 2 times a month. I can afford 20GBP, I just have better options.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ginko on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:26AM (#27903773)
That's pretty much the prices in Norway. To be fair Norwegians do eat out less than in other places as a result of it.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by chrisseaton on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:12AM (#27904342)
That’s about 15 minutes of labour for a software developer. So less time than you’d spend eating it.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by an_opabinia on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:57PM (#27901468)
Like with everything, all that matters is whales. The kind of person who eats lunch out every day doesn't care if it's 20 GBP or whatever, so they'll keep paying whatever it costs to eat whatever they want. What'll happen is places without enough whales, like low foot traffic, will poop out or become ghost kitchens.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by wiether on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:34AM (#27903822)
No, you're not. But I guess it depends on what you call "restaurant" and "lunch out". Some people will basically eat every working day in a restaurant. So more than £/$/€10 will be seen as expensive. Some people, like me, will go to[1] a restaurant once or twice a month. In this case, £/$/€50 will be totally acceptable. And giving what is sold in places where you eat for £/$/€10, they will avoid going to those places in the first place.

So I guess restaurants that sells food are having a hard time, but restaurants that sells a service have a different story to tell.

[1] See how in the first case it's "to eat in a restaurant" and in the second it's "to go to a restaurant". To me that's the big difference : when you are here to fulfill a natural need (eating), you don't want to pay a lot for it, while you are here to have a nice time out, you will gladly pay more.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by adrianN on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:57AM (#27902798)
I spend maybe 40€ per week on food, not just lunch. 20 pounds for a single meal seems a bit expensive to me.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by forz877 on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @07:59PM (#27900735)
It doesn't take much to open a small business. There's a reason many small businesses fail, and often times it is the result of rather foolish decisions and ideals.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by robotresearcher on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:41PM (#27900994)
Naive question: why not raise prices?
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by intended on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:49AM (#27902756)
Some people will, many will find other ways to optimize (lower inventory, lower wastage), or deal with smaller margins.

Others will change their product offerings to maintain margins.

And some will misjudge the situation, or were too close to the bone to survive in this environment and fold.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by an_opabinia on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:59PM (#27901484)
Prices are rising.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by mirkules on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:57PM (#27901096)
Because if everyone raises their prices, the wage increase then effectively makes no difference.

If everyone raises wages, they have to raise prices. For the restaurant, this means they have to charge more for the same service, and they have to pay more for their supply chain (because they also increased their prices).

For the worker, that means they will pay more for things and services they need/want, because every other business will suffer from the same issues and be forced to raise their prices.

All this to say, the worker's purchasing power decreases if everyone raises wages, and that is the definition of inflation.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by LadyCailin on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:10PM (#27901161)
Citation needed. I can find plenty of studies that show it doesn’t. [0] Raising wages at the bottom doesn’t increase prices across the board, and so this benefits folks at the lower end more than it hurts.

[0]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/41445397

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by mirkules on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:31AM (#27907651)
From the Congressional Budget Office:

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2021-02/56975-Minimum-Wage....

The second point, in the first paragraph:

> Higher prices for goods and services—stemming from the higher wages of workers paid at or near the minimum wage, such as those providing long-term health care—would contribute to increases in federal spending.

The whole thing is an interesting read, actually

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ABCLAW on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:37PM (#27901331)
>Because if everyone raises their prices, the wage increase then effectively makes no difference.

Not really. The relative elasticity of various goods and services (including labour) will determine which parties ultimately shoulder the cost. The additional costs could cut through margins or they could be passed on.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by foobarian on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:05PM (#27901136)
All wages increasing is better than only the elite wages increasing and leaving service workers in the dust. They are the ones paying for the lunch.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by crooked-v on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:00PM (#27901497)
> Because if everyone raises their prices, the wage increase then effectively makes no difference.

This only holds if a restaurant's costs are entirely wages, but actual average labor costs for restaurants (at least in the US) are only about 30%.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:33PM (#27901733)
> Because if everyone raises their prices, the wage increase then effectively makes no difference.

That’s only if everyone makes about the same, which is less and less true due to rising wealth inequality. As it stands now, there are people making $200k/year and people making $30k/year, raising prepared food prices isn’t going to chip off everyone’s income the same way.

A rise in interest rates would have much more effect on upper income buying power than a $5 increase in the cost of lunch.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by wwweston on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:39PM (#27902094)
> Because if everyone raises their prices, the wage increase then effectively makes no difference.

Depends heavily on specifics. Like, which goods and services? How much of someone's purchases do they represent? Are they substitutable? Restaurants deal in the substitutable and minority part.

The relationship between per-unit price and labor cost per unit also matters quite a bit. If labor costs per unit are small, it may not take a big per-unit price bump in order to give labor a substantial raise.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by patrickthebold on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:10PM (#27901160)
Inflation is a factor, but it's not perfectly fixed to wage increases. E.g. if min wage goes up 30% we're not going to see 30% inflation rates.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ergot_vacation on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:27PM (#27902028)
It's interesting that nearly everything that might benefit the lower and lower-middle classes seems to lead, inexorably, to inflation: UBI, a living wage, decent benefits, the list goes on. One might almost conclude that inflation has become a lazy boogie man, to be trotted out for propagandist purposes whenever change is suggested.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by chillwaves on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @11:00PM (#27901885)
That would only be true if labor were 100% of the input costs.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by paulcole on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:29PM (#27900916)
I mean this is HN where the solution to the problem is obvious to a software developer but invisible to someone with decades of experience in the restaurant industry.
Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by ginko on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @04:24AM (#27903761)
>Have you considered that margins are tighter than you think?

So they need to adjust their prices.

Re:Restaurant workers quit at record rate by rodgerd on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:00PM (#27901102)
> I'm skeptical that a business would choose to go out of business rather that give raises.

I don't think that you've met a lot of small business, owners, then.