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Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by mrweasel on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:19PM (#26876738)
Do Spotify actually manage to sell any significant number of subscriptions due to podcasts?

Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then.

There are so many great podcasts on the open web. Those available on platforms like Spotify always seems to be people with existing celebrity status trying to "cash in". Those shows are rarely that interesting, and even if they are there are so many competitors.

Assuming you have an existing successful podcast, I don't get why you'd move to something like Spotify. Are you really going to make that much more money? Your share of $10 per month cannot be high. Of cause it Spotify throws a large sum at you, to effectively buy your listeners, then I see the profit motive.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Lendal on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:51PM (#26877211)
No, but they could lose subscribers due to Podcasts.

See, I pay for Spotify because of their playlists. Playlists have nothing to do with podcasts. I listen to my podcasts using a different app. Yet Spotify keeps throwing its podcasts in my face. Spotify is not good at podcasts. That's why I use a different app for that. I'm getting tired of scrolling past all the podcast spam in my Spotify UI, and yet Spotify provides NO option in Settings to turn OFF their podcast advertisements/recommendations. That is annoying to me, a paying customer. So they're pushing this, and annoying me, at their own peril.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by tshaddox on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:14PM (#26877487)
I recently gave Spotify a try for about 8 months but just switched back to Apple Music. My reason for switching back had nothing to do with podcasts, it was simply Spotify's terrible interface that makes it impossible to just browse all the music in your library. But I had also started to notice podcasts infiltrating UI that used to be only music playlists. A few times I even mistakenly clicked on a podcast thinking that it was a music playlist that sounded interesting.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by NopeNotToday on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:48PM (#26879324)
I dont think Spotify cares about the 0.1% of users that bring their own MP3s. It's a shrinking market. The growth is all the people who never even heard of an EmPeaThree.

I think back when I ripped my 350+ CDs to FLAC. In retrospect, it wasn't worth it.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by tshaddox on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:18PM (#26879945)
I didn’t even try to upload my own songs. I just want to add stuff to my library and then be able to browse everything in my library by artist and album. On the iPhone app, this is impossible, which is absolutely baffling.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by aeon97 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:22PM (#26882655)
The only way to get around this is to make playlists that are just different albums, which is what I do. Not a great system, and I think it has actually changed the way I listen to music for the worse
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by dingaling on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:13AM (#26885659)
Why hold on to the concept of a library? I just pick a genre that fits my mood and let ${MUSIC_SERVICE} generate a playlist. If I don't like a song I just skip it.

I don't see any advantages of spending time and effort curating a library, which harks back to the days of physical media.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Tsiklon on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @09:23AM (#26889322)
There's a couple of things I object to there, because personally I really enjoy exploring new music and the back catalogue of bands.

Some artists really put effort into developing their albums or EPs as a coherent expression. If we all were to change to experiencing music like you describe it would inevitably result in a sea change in how the art is created in the first place. Artists will look to optimize for that particular method of consumption, in much the same way we have a large focus on individual track releases now in the streaming dominated world. I feel this limits the expression of the artists in general

I think that this would lead to further stagnancy or homogeneity in the most popular genres, as the playlist generation will look to optimize for the most listeners. This would come at the expense of artists who are not already in the public's sphere of consciousness, and would deeply hurt genres which have infinitely deep pools of sub-genres and micro-scenes; the world of Heavy Metal comes to mind specifically here. I think this damages the overall health of popular music in totality.

More interestingly because music in general is an incredibly subjective experience, opinionated tastemakers can be crucial for exposing underground or breaking through artists to a larger audience. Historically people like John Peel, and more recently Anthony Fantano (TheNeedleDrop) bring new music from underground artists in a wide range of genres to people's attention. It can feel like a minor triumph when you discover a new album that just speaks to you in a style of music you have no grounding in, especially when it's recommended to you by someone you know or trust.

While you may listen to more music in the way you describe, I don't think it would invoke nearly the same level of connection that I feel now, personally I find that to be a bit bleak, and self-defeating in the long term.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by edhebert on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @08:07AM (#26888503)
Sometimes the discrete unit I am looking to listen to is the album, not just a song.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by yakkers on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:37PM (#26882094)
I wouldn't bring in an entire library, but one big thing I find Apple Music has over Spotify is how well your traditional library and the Apple Music library converge.

I make use of it a lot for albums and songs not available on Apple Music. AFAIK, Spotify doesn't really have an answer to this.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by atat7024 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @04:00PM (#26880693)
Nah, should have kept a What.CD acct or its successors.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by SSLy on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:23PM (#26881908)
Well, redacted isn't impossible to get into.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Mandatum on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:20PM (#26883298)
Yeah but on the flip side -- nothing beats Spotify recommendations. I've found so much new music - if you're a new artist no other platform would provide more value than Spotify for discovery. Now, if we're talking pay-the-rent value..
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by jack_pp on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:30PM (#26883385)
Youtube music has been great for music recommendations lately. I rarely use Spotify anymore even though I pay for it
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by djmips on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @11:56AM (#26891321)
Will YouTube music play on Android while you do other things? YouTube video player on Android halts audio as soon as you switch contexts but Spotify plays in the background.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by jack_pp on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @01:01PM (#26892291)
I think you only get youtube music with youtube premium at which point both apps work in the background
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by fastball on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:18PM (#26882611)
I pay for both, and I honestly can't get over how Apple Music feels more sluggish on my Apple computer than Spotify does. It's like night and day.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by meristohm on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @09:38PM (#26897699)
When we subscribed to Spotify (I don’t use it unsubscribed, as I have difficulty with interruptions from adverts) I found the UI infuriating (an opportunity to notice what I’m feeling and then decide whether to rage or not, but that’s another topic). Trying to tap (on iPad) the options for a song other than the one playing carried the chance that this song might start playing, as the hitbox is too small. Same with Tidal. Neither have an option to increase the size of useful buttons. I don’t consider myself to be differently abled physically, but I do try to promote broader accessibility, understanding there’s a cost in time and effort.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by neves on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:17PM (#26877524)
It's even worse if you want to hear your mp3 collection. Terrible interface.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by wingworks on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:31PM (#26882761)
Yep I can't stand spotify's UI either, so cumbersome.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by devoutsalsa on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:03PM (#26877358)
Not very related... The reason I canceled Spotify Account is because I couldn’t downvote songs in a playlist. The music suggestions for some artists were horrible, and I couldn’t opt out of them.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by tachyonbeam on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:32PM (#26877703)
What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste... And, uh, I wish there was an easier way for me to just browse music by category. I just want to see all the new releases under electronic music and browse through them quickly. I don't need to be spoon-fed things as part of "discover weekly".

Also, the Spotify Chromecast integration is utter shit. It has been utter shit for a while, but it seems it's just getting worse? It's laggy, it randomly pauses during my playlist for no reason. I ended up buying a bluetooth receiver to hook to my AV system so I could get reliable playback. What the fuck? Why isn't this getting fixed?

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by claudiulodro on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:44PM (#26879243)
The Every Noise at Once guy also has a project where it's a raw weekly dump of all the new Spotify releases sorted by categories: https://everynoise.com/new_releases_by_genre.cgi?genre=edm&r...

That's what I use to get more in-depth than the tiny amount of new releases Spotify features in its official playlists.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by nitrogen on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:11PM (#26881748)
What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste...

The really aggravating thing is that we know they have the tech to do better. There was that demo of a 2D embedding of genre-space that actually did a pretty decent job of grouping similar-sounding songs together, but their recommendations all seem to be based off of what was popular at the same time, or what came from the same label.

E.g. when I ask for recommendations for a song like "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness," I should get "Avril 14th," not "Bullet with Butterfly Wings."

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by piva00 on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @05:42AM (#26887335)
I don't see the connection between Smashing Pumpkins and Aphex Twin though, what kind of genre matching do you think would enable that on your specific example?

Not nit-picking, just piqued my curiosity about how you would connect those artists.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by nitrogen on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @07:17AM (#26888042)
That's exactly the problem, those songs are not in either artist's genre. The artists don't sound similar, but the songs do. By "genre" I mean the effective genre (mood/vibe, instrumentation, pacing, chord progression, etc) of the song, not the nominal genre of the artist.

I would listen to those two songs in a row and be completely satisfied by the transition.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by piva00 on Thursday April 22, 2021 @06:36AM (#26901150)
I was a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan when I was young, I'm a big Aphex Twin/Richard D. James fan and I don't know if I'd ever connect those two songs on a playlist or even play them together. That might be the issue, it's too much a subjective judgment.

I've worked and interviewed for companies that do music analysis to find moods, atmospheres, similar timbres, chords and structure to mix and match automated playlists for business needs (restaurants, cafés, retail stores and so on), would like to see what kind of similarity scores they could get between the songs you mentioned.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by vorticalbox on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:27PM (#26880116)
> What's losing my interest more and more is that their music recommendations are terrible, rarely match my taste...

I found a lot of the release radar and other recommendations are spot on and I end up liking a lot of the songs it suggests.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by emayljames on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:51PM (#26880527)
YT Music has it all, categories, easy library listening, no podspaming, Chromecast. Spotify is like a salesman who has been drinking too much coffee.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by dankwizard on Thursday April 22, 2021 @02:01AM (#26899257)
Doesn't YouTube Music suggest music based on Youtube Video watching habits?

I think I read something about that which turned me off instantly.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by devoutsalsa on Thursday April 22, 2021 @03:27AM (#26899809)
It used to for me. I don't think it does at the moment.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by devoutsalsa on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:19PM (#26882617)
For some reason, YouTube Music still puts music I've downvoted in the playlists it makes for me.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by emayljames on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:51AM (#26885536)
I've never encountered this. Sounds like an odd account specific bug.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by loosetypes on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:20PM (#26877556)
Audible has been doing similarly recently and it’s quite frustrating.

I understand everyone’s doing it and you as a company feel entitled to a slice of whatever podcast pie.

What I don’t understand is how that can take focus when your audio player has been getting steadily worse - corrupted offline download, buggy buffering, choppy audio after jumping back 30s.

If your bread and butter - what I’m actually paying for - doesn’t work I’ll gladly save a few bucks and go to the public library.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by smegger001 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:11PM (#26883210)
lets not forget the awful UI for podcasts on audible. Only showing the last three episodes in the app having to go through multiple screens just to download back episodes, having to manually start the next episode instead of playing them automatically. having to subscribe to each season of the same podcast separately so if you don't already know they next is out you don't get it, the whole experience is painful enough I have pretty much given up on listening to any amazon produced podcast as it s just to much of a pain in the ass to listen to them.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by captn3m0 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:21PM (#26878716)
Amazon Music has also started the same, even putting a banner ad for Amazon Music Podcasts in the Amazon app.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by iscrewyou on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:12PM (#26877469)
Lately, I've even been scared of listening to music other than my usual taste (e.g. a radio hit, a foreign song, song in one of those instagram videos) because their algorithm seems to amplify my "smart" playlists with anything that's different.

There should be an option to turn off simple things like that: turn off podcasts, pause learning from my music for then next 30 minutes, etc.

I always thought the advantage of standalone apps like Spotify(updated anytime) vs something like Apple Music(updated on big iOS releases) is that they can iterate faster. But seems like they are throwing more eggs in content creation basket than UX.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by aerospace_guy on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:28PM (#26877659)
> There should be an option to turn off simple things like that: turn off podcasts, pause learning from my music for then next 30 minutes, etc.

They state that private listening 'may' not influence your music recommendations.

https://support.spotify.com/us/article/private-listening/

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by hellohiyesokay on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:27PM (#26877639)
Private sessions are my solution for branching out. Still a pain, and shouldn't happen. Google Play Music did this really well and for me, even with its issues, was miles ahead of Spotify.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by mackrevinack on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:29PM (#26878907)
i instinctively turn on private mode every time i open spotify on my desktop. i really wish it worked the opposite way, have it turned off all the time and then turn it on when you want spotify to build up new recommendations for you
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by gurkendoktor on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @04:52AM (#26886954)
Podcasts have really ruined Spotify's mobile app. The worst part is that there is space for a "Podcasts" tab in the bottom bar that would have made everyone happy by clearly separating types of content.

Apple has gone a similar route recently with reducing the Activity/Fitness app to just two/three tabs, mushing all sorts of content together. I hope this doesn't become another user-hostile UI trend.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Tsiklon on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @09:30AM (#26889405)
Spotify have obviously weighed the pros and cons of being actively intrusive into their user's experience in order to build brand awareness of their nascent podcast business.

Personally they keep advertising podcasts by people who I find morally or politically objectionable, which makes me quite unhappy that I cannot hide or remove their content (and podcasts as a whole) from the Home Screen.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by gurkendoktor on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:21PM (#26891713)
Good point. Honestly, in Spotify I don't even want to see political content from people I agree with. Sometimes I just want to take a break from my European duty to care about US politics 24/7, but it's getting hard to do so anywhere on the internet.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by jonnycomputer on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:57PM (#26877287)
I feel same way! Also paying, also using other app, because spotify podcasting misses the features I want.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by amatecha on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:49PM (#26878028)
Yup, I've been noticing that. Indeed, I've been preparing to cancel my subscription (backing up my "library"/playlists externally etc.), and their push into podcasts (and pushing them on me) is one of the reasons.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by emayljames on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:45PM (#26880416)
That is why I use YT Music. Podcasts are in a different Google realm (Google podcasts), and get no podspaming. I also find spotify too in your face in general, like an over eager salesman.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by cgriswald on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:40PM (#26877833)
They could lose them in the other direction as well. Unlike you, I don't mind podcasts being thrown at me. However, having come to enjoy a couple of the podcasts on offer, I'm not offered a way to subscribe to the pay versions of those podcasts, so I end up subscribing directly. Unfortunately, the Spotify app doesn't provide me a way to add my private RSS feeds from those subscriptions, so I spend much less time on Spotify and question whether I need the service at all.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by stjohnswarts on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:46PM (#26879295)
I doubt if spotify will ever add RSS capabilities.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Cd00d on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @04:44PM (#26881384)
Can you tell me how Spotify is with playlists of comedy albums?

I started falling asleep to comedy a couple months ago to manage poor sleep based on a generally negative attitude. It was fine on YT Music for a while, but now a lot of the community playlists are garbage, or most of the clips have been pulled (I assume some copyright issues).

I'd move to Spotify for that, and pay, if they had a catalog of decent standup comedy.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by blastro on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @04:49PM (#26881455)
it's been a while, but I remember Pandora having pretty good comendy stations. good luck!
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by vel0city on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @11:31PM (#26885136)
There's a number of comedy stations on satellite/streaming radio like SiriusXM. I'm not sure what kind of value proposition it is but it might not be too crazy depending on your budgets versus your sleep quality.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by pnutjam on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:57PM (#26883063)
I really liked Pandora for comedy. Spotify has lots of comedy albums, but the interface is not as easy to navigate.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Causality1 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @05:59PM (#26882402)
Do you find a significant difference between that and comedy podcasts?
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Cd00d on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @12:14PM (#26891597)
I don't know of any comedy podcasts that are more like comedy albums - recommendations would be appreciated!

The podcasts I listen to from comedians is more along the lines of interviews, like WTF, or a few people spitballing on various topics. Not well formed jokes.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Causality1 on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @06:27PM (#26896233)
Sounds like the podcasts from Sanspants Radio are right up your alley. "Shut Up a Second" is spitballing on a different random topic every show, and "Plumbing the Death Star" is discussion on different pop-culture related questions such as "what if Professor X ran Hogwarts?"

Their D&D podcast is probably my favorite of the genre as well.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Sphax on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:34PM (#26877743)
I did just that about a month ago. I don't give a shit about their podcasts, I'm only interested in their music, the home screen is garbage now. I moved to Qobuz (which has other problems, but it's generally fine).
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by zouhair on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:35PM (#26880245)
Spotify is also not good as a music player. You have no real control.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by tootie on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:51PM (#26877212)
They don't really need to. In fact, some early industry rumors say that are not close to recouping costs. They're instead doing the classic SV play of selling customers a dollar for 50 cents until they are addicted and then pulling the rug. They want to cripple the open market by firehosing cash until everyone else gives up, then they can do what they want.

Apple and Google are playing this game too in their own ways. Google is going to try to make podcasting more like youtube in the next few years.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by christopherwxyz on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:02PM (#26877356)
Any fixed cost business will inherently have large sunk costs and will not experience net profits until you've worked your way down the cost curve. Content businesses have marginal costs that approach zero as a function of time -- of course without any operating cost of delivery. There's no need for "early industry rumors" to understand the fixed cost business of streaming.

"The Office" was paid for in full, distributed in a first-party network, then syndicated, then digitally licensed, and now back to its first-party network. The total revenue value of that decade long investment is not the same as a variable cost businesses like ecommerce, delivery services, or Moviepass.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by ravi-delia on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:04PM (#26877369)
I mean, the point still kinda stands. Spotify can throw money at podcasting until the cows go home, but if they aren't buying something for their money it's just going to waste. Podcasts on Spotify aren't all that good, and every podcast I (and everyone I know) actually listen to is accessible elsewhere.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by mvolfik on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:39PM (#26877033)
Beware though that "available on Spotify" (idk Podimo) doesn't necessarily mean that it's exclusive there. But it's very common around here and many people use it for convenience (and the podcasts can advertise it as "look we are in this fancy mainstream app", not weird (?) RSS, while they likely offer that too). I myself used Spotify for freely available podcasts too, only recently switched to Podcast Addict for nerdy automatic download settings
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by jackson1442 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:47PM (#26877148)
I believe Spotify, unless they buy an exclusive or something, still consumes RSS feeds to make podcasts work, so most anything on Spotify is freely available.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by hobofan on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:13PM (#26882551)
Yes. Started a podcast that's available on Spotify, which is as straightforward as entering the RSS feed URL of your podcast. I'm surprised they don't offer free hosting for podcasts directly via their platform, given all the other investments they are making in the space.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by klelatti on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:58PM (#26877299)
Happy to be corrected on this but does a minute spent on Spotify listening to a podcast (that they haven't paid for) vs listening to music reduce their costs?

If so then it would make sense to establish themselves as a podcast player - with their users listening to podcasts through their app - even if they don't sell any extra subs and that alone might justify the up-front investment.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by brownindian on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:16PM (#26879904)
Well, an important reason for spotify to have podcasts is $$. Unlike music producers, Podcasters are not paid by play count. The ones from openweb are not paid at all by Spotify, I am not sure about the ones that have deals with Spotify directly, like Joe Rogan. Anyway, the more time users spend listening to podcasts, the less they have to pay to music producers. which means more EBITDA! And my friend, its all about EBITDA.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by neves on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:16PM (#26877513)
Wait till they start to control a significant part of public discourse. They will receive money to recommend some podcast, and bury others. The young Facebook was a great place to advertise your business. Now you have to pay for it.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by e40 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:47PM (#26880459)
> Personally when ever I hear about an interesting podcast, and it's followed by "available on Spotify/Podimo, whatever", my reaction is always: Okay, never mind then.

Every time I hear that (and I want to check it out), I do so in Pocket Casts, my fav app (first on Android, then on iOS). I know there are probably podcasts that are _only_ on Spotify, but I haven't tripped over one yet.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by andrepd on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @03:56PM (#26880616)
OT but AntennaPod is amazing, and open source. I switched from Pocket Casts and it's amazing.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by kevincox on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @04:01PM (#26880707)
AntennaPod is unfortunately quite lacking if you like to listen to "story" podcasts where you want to listen old -> new.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by crocodiletears on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:11PM (#26882523)
I've been a latecomer to the 'history of *' podcast genre. Recently been working through Revolutions. Antennapod lets you sort a podcast's episodes chronologically, reverse-chronologically, alphabetically, etc.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by kevincox on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:17PM (#26882595)
Yes but the auto-download feature doesn't work.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by lucb1e on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:43PM (#26883479)
Oh I thought it was about sorting as well. Frankly, if you spend 30 seconds tapping download on the next 30 episodes every few weeks, that solves the issue?

I use Spotify at the moment (thinking of switching back to Antennapod due to Spotify being buggy as fuck) and actually hit download on every episode I want to listen to: putting them in my downloads is the easiest way to both mark them as 'to be listened to' as well as having them available whenever (though that's one of the bugs: I'll still need internet to get permission from Spotify HQ to start playing, but I won't have to load the audio stream and can turn off internet once it's playing).

Or you could just grab the files and dump them into a folder for something like smart audiobook player -- that's what I'd do for anything longer than ~6 hours in total, don't want to keep track of that stuff in my podcast player which is for, well, podcasts, not (cut-up) audio books.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by crocodiletears on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:22PM (#26882651)
You may be right on that, I have it disabled so I haven't noticed.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by andrepd on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:14PM (#26883238)
I binge old podcasts regularly. You can sort episodes old->new.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by Causality1 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:02PM (#26882417)
Podcast Addict is my favorite. Being able to keep different settings for every podcast is nice.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by e40 on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @06:10PM (#26896071)
Pocket Casts has it for some setting, though I don't know if the settings you care about are included.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by cosmodisk on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:47PM (#26877157)
Don't underestimate it longer term. I rarely,if ever, listen to podcasts and I don't use Spotify, however Spotify is already a household brand. It's like Netflix: every time I speak to someone about a movie,or a series,the first question is whether it's on Netflix and if the answer is No,they often get disappointed.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by root_axis on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:05PM (#26877383)
Spotify is targeting the millions of customers that already use their app who aren't regular podcast listeners. These people will now get exposed to the podcast ecosystem through Spotify and that'll help boost subscriber retention.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by ghostpepper on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:15PM (#26877490)
As someone who uses Spotify for music, and another podcast app for podcasts, I find it annoying to scroll past podcasts to get to music. I'm skeptical that someone who has no interest in podcasts will decide that instead of putting on music they want to listen to a podcast - at least in most situations.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by root_axis on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:16PM (#26878610)
Spotify has 350m users, even if it's not in "most cases" there is huge potential to tap into.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by alexgmcm on Wednesday April 21, 2021 @09:14AM (#26889216)
This is me.

I have Spotify Premium for listening to music while I work but I started listening to podcasts while doing mindless chores like laundry or dishes.

It's convenient to just have the one app.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by johannes1234321 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @12:54PM (#26877248)
It probably depends on the market. In Germany a very famous podcast by TV host Jan Böhmermann https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_B%C3%B6hmermann is only available via spotify. That certainly impacts people. Maybe not for being the sole reason for being Spotify users, but relevant attention.

Other communities certainly have their relevant content.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by marc__1 on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @06:10PM (#26882511)
Will offer some data points from Spotify's Investor Relations [1] that add some additional color to the anecdotes from previous comments:

- Total MAUs grew 27% Y/Y to 345 million in the quarter (...) Based on the behavior we see when users first join Spotify, we are confident that podcast usage has been a factor in the accelerated net additions.

- The strength in Ad-Supported revenue was led by our Podcast, Direct, and Ad Studio channels, with Podcast and Ad Studio both growing over 100% on a Y/Y basis. Podcast performance benefited from strong underlying demand from advertisers with a 50% increase in the number of companies spending in this channel vs. Q3

- As of Q4, we had 2.2 million podcasts on the platform (up from more than 1.9 million podcasts in Q3). Of note, 25% of our Total MAUs engaged with podcast content in Q4 (up from 22% of MAUs in Q3 2020

So the short answer is that podcasts help increase usage of the platform (and with better margins than music, probably due to copyright and leverage of artists vs. content creators)

[1] https://investors.spotify.com/financials/default.aspx

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by bedhead on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:18PM (#26883281)
These bullets are conspicuously free of important details.

"Podcast usage has been a factor" - okay, how much? Answer: no idea.

"The strength in Ad-Supported revenue was led by our Podcast, Direct, and Ad Studio channels, with Podcast and Ad Studio both growing over 100% on a Y/Y basis" - okay, but from what starting point and how much did it contribute? Answer: not saying.

"25% of our Total MAUs engaged with podcast content" - okay, how much? Answer: not saying.

Obviously podcasts help increase metrics, but even Spotify either doesn't know or won't say, meanwhile all this discussion ignores the flip side of the coin which is how much this is all costing the company.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by rtpg on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @10:48PM (#26884870)
One podcast was saying that their show subscribers coming in from Spotify was like... 0.x% of total listeners, across several shows. This was sometime last year, things could have changed but to be honest nor everything is a multi-trillion dollar industry and Spotify spending like or is is a pretty good application of wealth redistribution from VCs to artists
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by jorvi on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:03PM (#26877360)
Spotify's reason for getting people on podcasts is not only lock-in, every hour you listen to a podcast is an hour they don't have to pay music royalties for.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by nwsm on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @02:20PM (#26878698)
> Assuming you have an existing successful podcast, I don't get why you'd move to something like Spotify. Are you really going to make that much more money? Your share of $10 per month cannot be high.

Why would you not put it on Spotify? It costs you nothing and can only increase your audience. I’m not talking about exclusive-rights scenarios, but the majority of podcasts which are published to multiple platforms.

Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by atupis on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:05PM (#26877384)
I think cars are reason. Spotify wants in cars. Daniel Ek has said this thing like many times now. If Spotify can corner podcast market then car companies has to do deals with Spotify and they cannot just use custom build apps or some other competitors.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by coliveira on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @01:37PM (#26877782)
I guess Spotify is paying "celebrities" to host their podcasts, even at a loss, as a way to get more people to subscribe. It is a well known game that was played by satellite radio stations a decade ago.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by varispeed on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @07:15PM (#26883251)
What do they talk about on those podcasts? I have never tried because of the feeling that it will be a fake politically correct filtered content written to not offend anyone.
Re:Spotify is killing the open podcast ecosystem (2020) by hackerbabz on Tuesday April 20, 2021 @08:39PM (#26883954)
I only use Spotify because the Last Podcast Network went exclusive.