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Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by jedberg on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:20PM (#23827558)
The whole interview was fascinating, but what I found most interesting was when he was talking about a "post PC world" (as in post desktop/laptop). He envisioned a world in which 95% of casual computing was done on a tablet or phone.

He said PCs would still be there for work, but most consumers won't own one, just like all vehicles used to be trucks, until people moved to cities and switched to cars, and now some people use trucks but most people use cars.

The other really interesting part was when he talked about the need for paid journalism, and how he "doesn't want to live in a society that's just bloggers". Even a decade ago he could see the danger in most people getting their news from un-curated, un-vetted content.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by m_mueller on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:38AM (#23829474)
Two years ago I went from Macbooks to Win10 laptops with WSL for my professional needs - a setup that I now actually prefer, mainly thanks to having the same package manager as on the target server. Since a couple of weeks I’ve added an iPad Pro with pen and magic keyboard, for private use and note taking / concept drawing. I gotta say, I think Jobs’ vision has finally come true with this iteration, and more so with the next version of iOS. For private use for someone without time and/or motivation to tinker, an iPad is today all you need for 98% of use cases, and in fact it’s an improvement over PCs and Macs for those.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by simonh on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:57AM (#23829839)
Win10 and WSL is a pretty compelling setup. It's interesting that Apple said they were working with Docker to make sure MacOS on ARM is a first class host for Linux Docker containers.

Right now it looks like MS has managed to steal a march on Apple in this area, but that Apple knows this and is working on it. Interesting times.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by nicoburns on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:22AM (#23830613)
> It's interesting that Apple said they were working with Docker to make sure MacOS on ARM is a first class host for Linux Docker containers.

I wish Apple would actually natively support containers, rather than supporting containers via a linux VM.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by xattt on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @11:03AM (#23832751)
I only presume this will be called Apple Orchards.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by rjeli on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:31AM (#23830651)
what do you mean? docker for Mac uses xhyve, which uses Hypervisor.framework aka “kvm”. wsl1 had a wine-style syscall shim but they switched to virtualization too for wsl2.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by nicoburns on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:32AM (#23831710)
Right, and and xhyve, Hypervisor.framework, and kvm are all frameworks for creating and running virtual machines. In contrast, Docker for linux runs using a native container mechanism without using a VM at all. macOS doesn't support containers, but it could.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by simonh on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:37PM (#23834143)
The general case is developing software on a desktop OS in containers that are intended to be deployed on Linux boxes. Since the whole point of containers is that the container runs against the host OS kernel directly, clearly that is not really possible on a desktop that isn't running Linux as there isn't a Linux kernel there to run against. there are two ways past this. Emulate a Linux kernel, or run a real linux kernel in virtualisation for the container to run against

WSL 1 chose the first approach so the container thought it was running against a Linux kernel but it was actually a windows kernel plus a syscall shim. That's all fine and dandy in theory, but not running against real Linux means there was always the risk of different behaviour on Windows versus on the Linux deployment host. In WSL 2 Microsoft switched to running a real linux kernel in a hypervisor, which is basically the same approach as on the Mac.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by lioeters on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:59AM (#23832717)
> xhyve, Hypervisor.framework, and kvm are all frameworks for creating and running virtual machines

> In contrast, Docker for linux runs using a native container mechanism without using a VM at all

Thanks for pointing this out. As I'm slowly getting familiar with container-based workflows and underlying technology, your statement helped clear up my confusion about the essential differences between containers and VMs.

I found an informative table in Microsoft's documentation for "Containers on Windows", that compares and contrasts the two approaches:

Containers vs. virtual machines - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowsconta...

This helped me understand how Docker for Mac using xHyve is different from Docker on Linux with native containers as a much thinner layer with a shared kernel.

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According to this article:

Beating some performance into Docker for Mac - https://medium.com/homullus/beating-some-performance-into-do... (July 2020)

Aside from the container/VM architecture, a performance bottleneck of Docker for Mac is (apparently) how mounted volumes work, on the file system level.

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> macOS doesn't support containers, but it could

According to a random Reddit thread (so, with a grain of salt) I found on this topic:

Docker on the new Mac Big Sur - https://www.reddit.com/r/docker/comments/he0v5c/docker_on_th...

> Using a shared kernel container (via cgroups, for example) isn't feasible with macOS because of licensing restrictions and because the Linux syscall interface isn't compatible with macOS.

Which seems to imply that there's some fundamental reason why Docker for Mac must rely on VMs, that macOS is not (yet?) capable of providing containers that are as native as on Linux.

They also mention how the file system on macOS has design limitations that make containers more difficult.

> The net result is that performance is probably going to be near-native for light workloads, but macOS depends on other fundamental technologies like APFS which aren't designed for datacenter type workloads.

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EDIT: Aah, right, this is why a comment higher up mentioned:

> Apple said they were working with Docker to make sure MacOS on ARM is a first class host for Linux Docker containers.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by mikeyjk on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:25AM (#23831023)
I thought docker on Mac used a virtual machine + disk resulting in slower file io? As opposed to running containers directly against the host kernel / file system like Linux.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by bmikaili on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:37AM (#23830353)
MS hasn’t stolen anything. WSL is still just that, a subsystem. Not native Unix.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by no_wizard on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:20PM (#23827851)
That’s why I think Apple has tried so hard to break the paid news problem, is that particular ethos still lives on.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by jsemrau on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:30PM (#23827899)
And after a while now trying to read non-Blogs, I believe he was right. There is a market for a Netflix for News.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by simonh on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:00AM (#23829854)
There's a need for it, but possibly not a market for it. I think it's the same problem he identified for TV. Everybody knows what we have is broken, but there's no go to market strategy so what we have is a messy marginal market for set top boxes none of which can get solid traction. Similarly for high value news publishing there's no clear go to market strategy for a consolidated service like that, so what we have is a a messy market for news publishers.

But then maybe that's actually for the best. A single unified consolidated news publishing platform could have awful consequences for diversity of representation.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:39AM (#23830051)
Perhaps it should be centrally funded but each individual gets to choose where to spend it. You get a voucher and it's up to you whether you spend it at Breitbart or the NY Times.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by anthonybennis on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:24AM (#23830281)
Democracy needs a free press, and not just free but one that is motivated by high quality fact based news. The high quality part is subjective but maybe achievable via a peer review group like a Journalist Guild type awards system. Publications would be required to need to maintain a certain standard of conduct to access the funds awarded by guild. Free of advertising to avoid click bait "news".

Perhaps such a model could co-exist with a commercial element. Access to premium services, to keep my proposal vague and aspirational.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by simonh on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:11AM (#23831483)
Any kind of guild or central body like that would be a political target and pressure group football.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by robbiep on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:32AM (#23831722)
Like the BBC or Australia’s ABC? This exists
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:38AM (#23842346)
I don't get too choose the BBC, if I give up the TV license then I can't watch ITV or Channel 4.

It's also a huge political football. It does lean slightly to the left but it doesn't matter which political party you ask they always complain it's biased against them. The current government has been waging was on the BBC for 10 years now. If they thought they could they would shut it down in an instance.

What we really need is something funded centrally but they don't have the option of interfering with.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by dangus on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:14AM (#23832196)
This is how Apple News+ works.

There’s no voucher, it’s just a monthly fee, but I have no doubt that which paywalled stories you click on determine where your monthly fee goes.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by specialist on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:59AM (#23832020)
"There's a need for it, but possibly not a market for it."

Whenever someone touches on market failures, I'm reminded of how the USA government saved the domestic oil producers from themselves. TLDR: Govt imposed regulation and predictability onto the wildcatters, thereby protecting investors and insuring stable supply for consumers.

I don't yet know what future marketplaces for journalism will look like.

I do know that markets don't just magically appear. Efficient open markets require laws and regulations, to create and then protect those markets.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by jcassee on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:03AM (#23829305)
There is Blendle, but I'm not sure it's doing very well ...

https://launch.blendle.com

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by als0 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:29AM (#23830311)
Blendle does a lot of things really well. It'll be a real shame if it doesn't survive due to the market conditions.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by divbzero on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:49AM (#23829237)
I still miss the old Newsstand app [1] that was replaced with the Apple News aggregator in iOS 9. I liked having distinct apps for distinct publications grouped under the specially styled folder.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsstand_(software)

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by jorvi on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:05PM (#23827782)
> Even a decade ago he could see the danger in most people getting their news from un-curated, un-vetted content.

I feel this is also a problem with music. The last 10 years you can just dump whatever you want on Soundcloud or go private release on Spotify.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I do not celebrate the label system at all, and maybe that freedom of getting your music out there is worth the cultural cost we pay, but for example what East Coast Hip-Hop had with Stretch & Bobbito, that kind of curation is sorely needed. These days for curators it’s all about hype and whatever gets you a buck, but as was said in Stretch & Bobbito’s documentary “we’d play stuff that probably only appealed to like a hundred people out there. But it was dope, and dope deserves to be heard”.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by xvector on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:19PM (#23827850)
On the contrary I think the music industry is way better now. Curation is already handled for us by algorithms like Discover Weekly.

I’ve discovered far more songs and bands through Spotify than I would have in the pre-Spotify era. And many of these songs are ones with just a few thousand views, as alluded to in your comment.

The modern music industry allows for the best of both worlds.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by deltron3030 on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:35PM (#23828242)
Music curation was done by actual people before, almost every social circle had some kind of DJ or music digger providing new stuff. It's another point where technology had a negative influence on the social fabric of society.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:57AM (#23829271)
It still is done by actual people, just not as many who do it professionally.

The vast majority of my music recommendations come from friends and acquaintances who share tracks in FB groups, chat, amateur Bluetooth speaker "DJing" at gatherings and so on.

"Hey man, you gotta hear this one" is alive and very well.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:45AM (#23829222)
It's easy to underestimate how important scenes are in music - clubs, musicians, DJs, producers, promoters, managers, vinyl stores, even musical instrument stores - all cross-networking and building organic scenes which incubate influential styles.

Scenes exist on social media, but they're much more diffuse and for some reason are more likely to tinged with irony and/or nostalgia. So they seem to be less effective and - ironically - less experimental and creatively diverse.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by fsflover on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:48AM (#23831898)
> Music curation was done by actual people before

You can find such thing now as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23717756

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by renewiltord on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:00AM (#23829291)
Amusing. This is still pretty common. In fact, I'd say there are more of these than before. The change you perceive is more likely to be a characteristic of you and your social circle (perhaps you are older, perhaps the friend who would have done that is now taking care of his firstborn, perhaps you've outgrown those groups).

You'll see this same thing in so many different places. People will say "It's not the same now. Back then it was like X". Most commonly, it's more like X than it is different, but the person saying it has changed.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by deltron3030 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:57AM (#23829557)
The "problem" is the oversaturation with good enough or listenable stuff, meaning that careful curation by people doesn't have the social impact it had. Curators are middlemen and become obsolete similar to traditional media in aggregation theory.

A reaction or evolution from that is that many who were curators or DJ's get into music production, which means that they hang out in music studios of some kind, forming different social connections (e.g. with musicians). It creates a social divide between the people who just consume from algorithms and those who create.

>You'll see this same thing in so many different places.

Because it's an inherent feat of technology. Groups also form because different people bring different things to the table. One might be into music, the other one into cooking etc.

But cooking isn't enough, it has to be keto & vegan. People move up one level which changes the composition of their social circle.

>People will say "It's not the same now. Back then it was like X". Most commonly, it's more like X than it is different, but the person saying it has changed.

I wish it were like that because I'm a tech geek myself, but thinking more deeply about the topic and the composition of groups has changed my mind. The divide created by technology is real imo because it isolates groups.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by deltron3030 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:37AM (#23830351)
>The divide created by technology is real imo because it isolates groups.

The divide is real when it's blindly applied without thinking about social disruption is what I wanted to say.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by rorykoehler on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:17AM (#23832234)
It still is. DJ mixes
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by Jesus_piece on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:06PM (#23828052)
I've had a different experience with Spotify - their discover Playlists are trash for me
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by luisfmh on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:57PM (#23828379)
I find I have a better experience discovering music by making a playlist and then doing the playlist radio to get more music similar to it. Eventually it just plateaus and keeps giving me the same artists as the playlist, but there's a kind of sweet spot where I've found stuff I wouldn't have found otherwise.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by lostlogin on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:31PM (#23828214)
My god. I got stuck hole where every path led to Cindy Lauper.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by pell on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:21AM (#23828496)
Not the worst outcome.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by luckydata on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:39AM (#23829751)
As long as your favorite music is “overproduced electronic music” in a couple different flavor this is the best time to be alive. Everything else is dying.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by xvector on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:34AM (#23842022)
what a lame comment, plenty of obscure indie bands are thriving thanks to spotify
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by luckydata on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:13PM (#23863329)
If by thriving you mean “make almost enough money to cover the cost of renting a studio” then sure.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by telesilla on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:49AM (#23830416)
Spotify discover is great but they haven't solved the problem of flow. Songs that don't fit in context are played next to each other. I wish we had John Peel back in its place, but then I suppose it's on me to find a good dj.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by ergest on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:06AM (#23830502)
This is precisely the reason why I prefer playlists to anything Spotify recommends. Playlists are human curated. I kinda wish Spotify just bought Pandora and their music DNA. I really mis Pandora’s recommendations
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by SyneRyder on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:15AM (#23828754)
Steve Jobs made a similar comment about artists uploading anything. This story is from the founder of CD Baby:

The Day Steve Jobs Dissed Me In A Keynote https://sivers.org/itunes

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by tomjen3 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:37AM (#23829742)
I strongly disagree on entertainment, what appeals to a specific person is a function of that person and the skill the performer has in the aim to hit that spot.

A performer, no matter how more talented that person is, will deliver a worse performance if they are trying to aim more broadly.

Whereas with news the issue is that news died when they optimized for ads/engagement, but that is fundamentally why Facebook, Twitter etc are all terrible. The interests of the user and the interests of the creator are mismatched.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by zem on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:43PM (#23828295)
what stops there being soundcloud djs who curate and play the good stuff on their podcasts?
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by kunai on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:41PM (#23827650)
> He said PCs would still be there for work, but most consumers won't own one, just like all vehicles used to be trucks, until people moved to cities and switched to cars, and now some people use trucks but most people use cars.

And I'm thankful every day that he was so wrong. Even though there are bad faith actors encircling the world of electronics and software attempting to turn everything into a walled garden (and succeeding in many cases), the PC lives. Hurrah.

On top of that his analogy makes no sense. By no means were all early cars trucks. Automobiles in cities didn't even really exist in any considerable number until after WWII and the suburban housing boom enabled by exclusionary FHA housing subsidies.

Before cars we all rode the streetcar and train. Open systems that allowed mobility without placing a premium on using your own two feet.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by pwthornton on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:50PM (#23827701)
Is he wrong though? Any of us who operate websites know our traffic numbers. I'd say we have at least 80% of our traffic coming from mobile and tablet.

People are doing all kinds of things on their phones, including applying for jobs and getting government services.

The only thing I think Jobs might have been wrong on is the mix. The smartphone has become so powerful that the mix of smartphones to tablets is probably not what be predicted.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by mxcrossr on Monday July 13, 2020 @11:55PM (#23828370)
It's been interesting to me to see that despite staying at home all the time due to the corona virus, my smart phone usage hasn't really dropped off. I would have expected to be spending more time on my laptop, but it seems like there is something compelling about the medium.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by billti on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:38AM (#23828571)
I have a massive AppleTV about 10ft away from where I’m sitting. Just a few more feet away a kindle and an iPad, and just down the stairs my laptop and PC sitting on my desk. Yet I’ve been squinting at content on my phone the past hour or so. Is it just convenience/laziness?
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by robbiep on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:36AM (#23831769)
It’s dopamine
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by pwthornton on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:39AM (#23832485)
My usage has increased so much I have considered getting a battery case!

I have two young kids at home, so I am doing stuff all the time on my phone. I can use my iPhone to check in on work while giving them a bath or watching them play outside and can give feedback to my team. Our mobile tools have become so powerful that you can get a lot done on them. I have a 5K iMac with 72 GB of ram, but I spend most of my days on a phone or a tablet.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by ksec on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:10PM (#23827805)
There are roughly 1.5B PCs, half of those are business usage in Office.

There are now closing in to 4B Smartphone users, and about 1B Tablet users.

PC usage isn't really shrinking, Office, Gaming and Productivity are still holding up. But most "consumer" usage has definitely shifted to Post PC.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by realharo on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:51AM (#23828952)
I remember one keynote where he was talking about slowing PC sales and a huge rise in iPad sales (tablets were relatively new back then). Yet he didn't credit the two most obvious reasons - market saturation (everyone already has a PC) and slowing upgrade cycles - today's PCs are "good enough" for many more years than they used to be, as hardware improvements have stagnated.

Years later, the same kind of slowdown happened with tablets (especially Android tablets which are basically dead, but iPad wasn't completely spared either), and will eventually happen with smartphones as well.

The "we are now in a post-PC era" hype of 2010 (after the iPad's release) has eventually led to many "tablets are dead" articles by 2016.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by kungtotte on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:39AM (#23829756)
As a datapoint to support your argument: I bought a new PC in 2020, the one I bought prior to that was in 2013 and it still runs here at home only relegated to server duty as the HW is good enough for that but lags behind for gaming.

I don't know how long I'll be able to run that server for before needing to upgrade something, but I suspect its lifetime is until something catastrophically fails.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @05:33AM (#23830023)
2013 PC?! That would be brand new for my folks back home which are using my old gaming PC from 2007 with a Core 2 Quad and 6GB of RAM.

For Web browsing and office work it works flawlessly. One day I'll throw in a cheap SATA SSD that I'll find on sale as the OS drive and it'll be good for even more years.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by kungtotte on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:12AM (#23830536)
Oh it was absolutely fine for everyday desktop/office type stuff, if I weren't into gaming I wouldn't have upgraded it at all. It still worked for gaming, but newer games were taking their toll.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by tomjen3 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:43AM (#23829772)
Interesting n choice of word. I would say that a smartphone is pretty nice to consume things, but the moment I need to create anything other than a short email it is worth using a real computer.

The only exception that I can come up with right away is drawing, but even taking pictures, well my phone doesn't hold a candle to my DLSR.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by jedberg on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:43PM (#23827658)
Interestingly, when he was asked about walled gardens, he stated his adamant support for full HTML5 capability that would be on par with the app store, so you would always have access to anything you want.

I guess it didn't quite work out that way.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by coldtea on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:31PM (#23827904)
Well, web apps are crap on Android too compared to actual native API apps...

And of course they're crap on PC (Electron).

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by kunai on Monday July 13, 2020 @09:46PM (#23827676)
It's funny because we all knew Flash was a scourge on the web and highly inefficient, and we swung so far around in the other direction that now Electron is a scourge on desktop and highly inefficient.

Price of progress I suppose.

Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by michelb on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @06:03AM (#23830155)
I'd say he is not completely right, yet. Many of my students type up their thesis on their phone (totally crazy to me, but I'm 'old'), and only switch to a laptop to get it into shape/format to turn it in. Give it some time and maybe a household will only have 1 laptop for all inhabitants.
Re:A Steve Jobs masterclass from a decade ago by P4wl0w on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:51PM (#23834380)
Yes the computer still has a purpose but in my opinion the view on this is a bit blurred when growing up in the western part of the world.

Just take a look at countries like Africa or Cambodia: Most of the people (if not all) own a smartphone and there is a lot of places where you will have a hard time finding a computer.

I tried to use a tablet for work when traveling but it did not take long to spot the drawbacks and buy a real computer to do serious work.

The mobile ecosystems force us to do this because they stop us from unleashing the full potential of these tiny computers.

Imagine something like an iPad that would allow the user to just install any software that this tiny computer can run. Also you should be able to copy and access files from/to any other location on the filesystem. I could use it for most of my daily tasks at work if iOS/iPadOS would not prevent me from using the tablet in that way.