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Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by saagarjha on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @10:40PM (#23766405)
It’s generally been a good time to own the stock for the last two decades ;)
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by jeffbee on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @10:48PM (#23766442)
While true, spectacularly so for Apple. If you had bought shares of the company instead of a new base-model PowerBook G4, you'd have over $700k today.

If instead of a "founders' edition" Tesla Model S you'd bought shares of Tesla, you'd have enough money for fifty Teslas today.

If you'd bought NDVA shares instead of Nvidia's best GPU in 2009 ... you still would not be able to afford Nvidia's current best GPU. Hrmm.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by zetazzed on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:01PM (#23766504)
NVIDIA also gave out dividends (I believe Tesla does not?). Looks like $500 in NVDA in 2009 becomes almost $20k of total return by today. (https://dqydj.com/stock-return-calculator/)
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by jeffbee on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:02PM (#23766515)
You won't believe how much their most expensive product costs.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by henriquez on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:11PM (#23766556)
How I got Nvidia’s most expensive GPU using one weird tip
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by IncRnd on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:01AM (#23767024)
I am starting a newsletter where I can say that I got 10 out of the last 10 picks right! I will have one reviewer who will testify that every one of my picks sent to him was correct. To bad I won't be able to include the other 1023 reviewers :-(
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by grecy on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:23AM (#23767111)
In 1999 at the age of 18, just before going to University to study Software Engineering I spent all my savings from my first job on a Beige G3 233Mhz. The box was $3k, the 17 inch Apple/Sony Trinitron another $1500. Dad drove it home in his car that was worth less than the contents of the big cardboard boxes.

Sometimes it's fun to calculate how much I'd have if I spent those 1999 dollars on APPL.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by teekert on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @05:51AM (#23768409)
Well, I did some BTC mining on my atom board in the day. Also there is that guys that bought a pizza for 10K btc.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by iso1631 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:14AM (#23769115)
> Sometimes it's fun to calculate how much I'd have if I spent those 1999 dollars on APPL.

How much would you have if you'd invested in pets.com

How much did that G3 help you on your road to a high paying software engineering job?

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by jsjohnst on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @02:53PM (#23773067)
With the shares you could’ve bought instead of spending on a top end Mac Pro setup in 2011, you might be able to afford two monitor stands now.

/sarcasm

I’m glad that Apple ditched the trash can Mac design, but I just haven’t been able to mentally justify the new Mac Pro’s price tag. Really curious what Apple will do on the high end side with ARM. Going to sit on my heavily upgraded 2011 Mac Pro a bit longer and see.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by shaklee3 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:51AM (#23766989)
That's... Not really a fair comparison. Nvidia didn't introduce their Enterprise line until 2010, so you're comparing a gaming card to a professional card. Nvidia stock has certainly gone up many multiples of what a geforce costs.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by NopeNotToday on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @11:07AM (#23770613)
I'm guessing the NVDA part was a joke.

In 2009, NVDA was around $10. It is trading 40x, over $400.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by jeffbee on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @11:15AM (#23770709)
Yes it is a joke. Nvidia now sells things that cost a million dollars.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by ksec on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:42AM (#23769281)
Although not a fair comparison. I laughed out so loud reading the last sentence.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by dhosek on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:06PM (#23766528)
I bought about $1000 worth of Apple in 2000 and sold in 2005 to take my profits. I try not to think about that too much.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by nelsonenzo on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:32AM (#23766909)
I didn't buy Google when they IPO'd because my Morgan Stanley broker (whom they ipo'ed through) convinced me not to.

I also didn't buy Tesla at $250 last year, because i would have had the minor inconvenience of transferring my 401k to a full brokerage.

Believe you me, being foolish is very easy.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by xZuki on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @03:19AM (#23767677)
Very easy in hindsight of course.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by pmorici on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:49PM (#23766730)
I've recently realized that whenever I do really well in an investment I always sell it too soon. I've come to the conclusion there are really only 3 reasons I will sell anything in the future.

  1. I need the money for something that isn't frivolous. (ie: house down payment, retirement income, etc...)
  2. I found another equal or better investment I will put the proceeds into immediately.
  3. Something has fundamentally changed about the company or it's market that calls into question it's future prospects beyond regular market competition.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by luckman212 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:15AM (#23766836)
> Something has fundamentally changed

That right there's the problem, see. By then, it's usually well past the ideal time to sell.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by pmorici on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:45AM (#23766961)
The notion that you can ever sell at the absolute ideal time is a fantasy. The market typically takes a while to reflect fundamental change and does so gradually over time.

Look at Nokia for example. From the day the iPhone was announced you could have sold at almost any time in the next 1.5 years and come out ahead vs acting immediately. Initially the market thought the iPhone was positive for Nokia, it took that long for people to realize it would be their demise.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by kube-system on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:06AM (#23767043)
It definitely wasn't clear that Apple was going to dominate the market for those 1.5 years. Most people expected that HTC, Palm, RIM, and Nokia were going to respond with better offerings for a better price. Most people in tech hated the early iPhones and thought it was going to be a failure. I wouldn't have sold my Nokia stock in the first 1.5 years.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by simonh on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @02:13AM (#23767346)
Overall yes it wasn't clear to most commentators, but there were actually plenty of people who predicted pretty much exactly what would happen and why, Horace Dediu for example.

When the iPhone came out I knew Apple would own the future, I could feel it in my bones not only because their software technology was so ridiculously far in advance of everyone else, but because none of their competitors except Google even seemed aware what was happening or why and Google at the time wasn't even in the game yet. A lot of my friends thought I was going a bit crazy, I was so sure Apple was going to utterly own the future. I was entranced by the early iPhones, they felt like something out of Star Trek except even better. Maybe part of it was I always hated mobile phones, they were so clunky and ugly and the tech was so primitive. The iPhone felt like an advanced graphics workstation in an era of teletype terminals.

The problem was I was recently married, had two kids and we'd just bought our first house at a huge financial stretch, and had no spare savings whasoever. We were practically living hand to mouth. When we did have spare savings 6 or 7 years later I did consider buying some APPL, but I thought most of the opportunity cost had already passed and Android seemed to be catching up at last. Dumb.

But honestly, imagine what today would be like if Andy Rubin hadn't immediately ditched their plans for Android to be a BlackBerry clone and switched tracks to cloning the iPhone. Microsoft genuinely didn't get it. They took 3 years to even realise there was a problem.

Sorry, ranting, but thinking about this really triggered memories from that era.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by close04 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @04:23AM (#23767975)
> there were actually plenty of people who predicted pretty much exactly what would happen and why

You have the full spectrum of opinions on what will happen and why for pretty much every non-trivial topic. It's the power of hindsight that lets you select the correct ones and maybe even assume that it was indeed trivial, all the information was out there.

Would you bet your life savings on that one person who predicts against the trend? That's not dumb, it's realistic and cautious. In some situations the risk isn't worth it.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by pmorici on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @07:03AM (#23768720)
My impression of prominent criticism of the early iPhone was that it was shallow and self serving. The things competitors were saying about it, like implying it wouldn't be successful because people really wanted a real keyboard, seemed ridiculous as a serious rational.

It is generally safe to assume, baring strong evidence to the contrary, that a large dominant incumbent will fail to adapt in the face of fundamental change to an industry brought by a new entrant.

That there are still large groups of people that take the other side of this assumption is surprising to me. The most recent prominent example is everyone out there saying that incumbent car companies are going to out complete Tesla in electric or self driving cars. That view seems to be on the verge of being undeniably wrong.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by kube-system on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:00PM (#23771795)
> My impression of prominent criticism of the early iPhone was that it was shallow and self serving. The things competitors were saying about it, like implying it wouldn't be successful because people really wanted a real keyboard, seemed ridiculous as a serious rational.

That wasn't a ridiculous idea at all at the time. The lack of tactile feedback was (and is) a legitimate industrial design concern, and it had a learning curve that was difficult for many people.[1] I had many customers at the time who demanded continued support for their blackberries because of the difficulty they had with the iPhone keyboard. Heck, even I chose to go with an HTC device that had a hard keyboard, because I found it easier.

Everyone now finds modern on-screen keyboards to be intuitive, partially because they've improved and they're larger, but also because people understand how they work. At the time of the iPhone launch, people didn't understand auto-correct or how they didn't have to worry about how their thumbs were larger than the keys.

Even Jobs himself admitted there was a learning curve: "Once you learn to trust the keyboard, it’s a better keyboard."[0]

0: https://radarla.com/interview-steve-jobs/

1: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1497367

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by zeckalpha on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @06:18AM (#23768525)
Number 2 can be useful as part of a tax minimization strategy as you reset your basis when you move to a similar asset. Some people do this after long term gains kick in and there’s a small drop. I am not a tax lawyer... https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxgainlossharvesting.a...
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by mixmastamyk on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @03:45AM (#23767813)
1upper: I went all in on Apple stock shortly after the iPhone debuted in 2007, and I mean all in ... I was that sure. At one point I controlled 1700 pre-split shares. For a while it looked like I'd struck gold.

Well, guess who lost everything on a margin call in 2009. Wall Street found a way to !@$#^ me. Just looked, current price four and a half million. :-/

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by steve_adams_86 on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @11:13PM (#23766562)
You’re not alone. I’ve sold at some awful times. I haven’t lost much though, and that’s probably more important. If you generally walk away with more, you’re doing good enough.

Unless this is your only income or something.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by selectodude on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @12:34AM (#23766918)
If its your only income and you cant get away when you think things are weird, you need to get a real job.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by mixylplik3 on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:45AM (#23769307)
I love anecdotes like this, even if they make you facepalm all these years later. Here is mine (numbers are guesstimates):

Was given a single, paper share of Apple stock in 2000 on my 21st birthday. Worth maybe $24? Lost it and forgot about it. Found it in the Summer of 2013 and excitedly cashed it in for TSLA, which was around $117. Today, those 7 shares are now hovering around $10k in value and represents my only stocks of any kind. Here's hoping the momentum continues.

Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by martin_bech on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @03:08AM (#23767631)
I bought Tesla at 25$... sold at 125$, currently at what 1200$?
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by tqkxzugoaupvwqr on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @08:32AM (#23769221)
Currently at $1400. How many shares did you buy?
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by martin_bech on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:05PM (#23771837)
400...
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by martin_bech on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @01:42PM (#23772234)
Its wierd that instead of beeing happy for making a bit of money, im sad i didnt make half a mill.
Re:Intel in Macs (2007) by acdha on Wednesday July 08, 2020 @07:52AM (#23768980)
I had placed an after-hours order on September 10th, 2001 at a bit under the market price which didn’t go through until the markets re-opened, at which point the price was $17. I wish I’d placed a larger order.