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Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:20PM (#23634982)
Android similarly has been continually improving the privacy/permissions model of the OS when it comes to third party apps. I am not sure that Apple has any obvious advantage in that department specifically.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by harikb on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:32PM (#23635484)
Even if one were to ignore Google’s data collection, any non-vanilla android installation would have been butchered by the vendor (Samsung, Motorola, etc) to the point any expectation of security (and in turn privacy) is lost to the least secure app pre-installed.

I had ESFileExplorer installed on a Nexus 7 tablet I barely used. One day I start it to find the charging has switched to “smart charging” where this software shows a banner ad on the home/charging screen. There is no end to the madness of what each app can do or even allowed to ask for.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:49PM (#23635596)
I often use Motorola devices as I find they are one of the OEMs which applies the fewest customizations to the OS. However Samsung is definitely a problem when it comes to that.

I am not sure what happened in your case with ES or how that would be possible. It sounds like maybe the app just pushed you an advertisement as a notification. Notifications can be disabled on a per-app basis but I think it is pretty reasonable that they are enabled by default.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by harikb on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:09PM (#23636495)
Apparently it is not new change [1]. I just happened to notice it now since I rarely used it before. Now the tablet functions as a handy Zoom whiteboard [2] drawing tablet. Good thing I didn't throw it out.

[1] https://www.androidpolice.com/2016/05/10/es-file-explorer-up...

[2] To those who might laugh at my paranoia about ES while I happily use Zoom, I teach classes and it is not an easy choice not to use Zoom.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by danieldk on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:50AM (#23637612)
I often use Motorola devices as I find they are one of the OEMs which applies the fewest customizations to the OS.

They got worse, also with updates since they were acquired Lenovo. Last time that I surveyed the Android landscape (~2 years ago), Nokia was the place to go for a pristine Android experience with quick updates.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by andrepd on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:52PM (#23635621)
Lineage is a must on any phone I get. I reckon I haven't had a vendor distro on my phone since 2012
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by harikb on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:13PM (#23636524)
I was running Lineage on the tablet and I am usually very careful about what I allow. I have no idea how it got set to take over main screen at charging time.

Btw, all these distributions (Lineage and Cynogenmod before that) don't benefit from automated updates. So that is another headache to remember to manually reflash/upgrade.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Reelin on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:52AM (#23637038)
> don't benefit from automated updates

That varies by the ROM. Many do support automated OTA updates. (https://www.androidexplained.com/lineage-os-ota-update-locat...)

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by takeda on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:09PM (#23636149)
Kind of unrelated, but what phones do you use? Also, can you still use Google apps?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by voltagex_ on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:17PM (#23636197)
You can still use Google Apps, but they must be sideloaded as part of the installation process before you boot LineageOS the first time.

I haven't found a LineageOS device that will pass the SafetyNet checks yet, though.

Is LineageOS still signed with testing keys?

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by BenjiWiebe on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:31PM (#23636612)
My Galaxy S5 with Lineageos 16 and Magisk passes safetynet.. Thanks to Magisk.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by andrepd on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:22AM (#23639333)
No, and I consider that a feature :) I have Zuk Z2, which incidentally is still the only phone in the world that matches my small list of requisites: reasonably modern, not huge, has Lineage support.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by FeepingCreature on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:40AM (#23636969)
I didn't check properly before I bought a Moto G5... the only Lineage image there is crashes its sound server whenever you connect a Bluetooth headset. I'm trying to get the dev to share their build steps so I can look into what is happening there, but they're not responding :(
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by patrickyeon on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:27PM (#23635033)
I've only ever been an Android user, but for a while I was paying a lot of attention to iOS too. It seems to me like they've been back and forthing, as one side figures out some improvements, the other side more-or-less re-implements them on their next release with their own unrelated improvements.

Seems like a good thing, really.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by tedivm on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:50PM (#23635214)
From my perspective it seems like Apple keeps releasing new privacy features and Android keeps being forced to catch up. What are the major privacy enhancements that Google has put out first?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by platinumrad on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:54PM (#23635637)
Android blocked background clipboard access in 2019.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by nmstoker on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:10PM (#23635758)
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by zlsa on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:22PM (#23636234)
It's worth noting that (AFAIK) iOS has never allowed apps in the background to read the clipboard buffer: https://security.stackexchange.com/a/176375
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by patrickyeon on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:59PM (#23635276)
Sorry, I don't have a history of this here. I'm running off my sense of a fair portion of the time when I hear "this new privacy feature coming to iOS" I think "oh I've had that for a little while", and the rest of the time something equivalent shows up later for Android.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by dahfizz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:49PM (#23636018)
I believe Android was the first to have fine grained app permissions where you could actually choose what an app has access to. iOS added that later.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by JimDabell on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:04AM (#23636793)
No, it’s the other way around.

In the beginning, Android showed you what an app could before you installed it, and it was an all-or-nothing approach – if you didn't want the app to do those things, your only choice was to not install it.

In the beginning, iOS didn't have this, and instead it prompted you for permission the first time an app wanted permission to do something. Additionally, app review had rules that apps had to operate correctly if you refused permission and that apps couldn’t ask for permissions irrelevant to what you are doing. So you can install an app, then pick and choose what you grant permission for.

Later, Android added the prompts to work the same as iOS. iOS hasn't changed to include the Android approach.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by kllrnohj on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:56PM (#23642748)
In the beginning iOS basically didn't have permissions at all. There were some random ones like GPS (and push notifications?!), but there was for example no permission to access contacts. Or photos. That didn't come until iOS 6.

So in the very very very beginning it was:

iOS: prompts for permissions, but almost nothing (including accessing user data) requires permissions anyway

Android: Granular permissions for everything, but only asked at install time.

Since then iOS has become "more Android-y" in adding increasingly more granular permissions, and Android has become "more iOS-y" in those permission grants being on-demand and time-gated.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by AnonC on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:49AM (#23637301)
Android had install time permissions for a long while. The user either had to allow all permissions asked by the app during install or not be allowed to install the app. On the other side, iOS had runtime permissions (nothing during installation) that were prompted by the system whenever the app needed a permission. When runtime permissions were added to Android 6, apps used to crash when not granted the permissions (so much so that some Android versions also started faking location data to apps when the user denied location access).

This took a few years to improve, but even today, there are Android apps that will refuse to work if you don't grant some (unnecessary, in the view of the user) permission. That kind of behavior is very, very rare among iOS apps.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by callalex on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:50PM (#23636719)
As a checkbox prompt on install, yes. iOS has always and will continue a slightly different model of throwing a modular question up to the user at the moment the action that requires the permission first occurs. This gives the user more context about the question, but also gives more alert fatigue. Which is better is left as an exercise to the reader.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Nullabillity on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:56AM (#23638009)
Android has supported piecemeal permissions for ages (only let app X access this one photo, or this one contact), which Apple seems to be starting to copy in iOS 14 (though, as usual, seemingly without a single thought to the long-term UX).
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by TheChaplain on Thursday June 25, 2020 @05:03AM (#23638468)
Not sure about this. I can give an app permissions to contacts, not a specific contact. Unless they changed this in Android 11?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Nullabillity on Thursday June 25, 2020 @05:31AM (#23638654)
You can send an Intent to request that the user pick a contact, without having the contacts permission. The app gets a copy of the contact that the user picked.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by sergeykish on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:00PM (#23643567)
That's how Apple users feel in general.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by tedivm on Friday June 26, 2020 @06:05PM (#23657595)
I'm actually an android user, but okay.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by dylan604 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:47PM (#23635182)
Not being an Android user, one of the negatives that was often talked about (maybe no longer true?) is that a lot of phones could not upgrade to new versions of Android. Is that still a thing, or was that limited to the lower tier phones?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by tedivm on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:51PM (#23635225)
It's definitely still a thing, as android updates are normally pushed by the manufacturers. The Android One phones are an exception to this.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by wycy on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:26AM (#23641113)
It's crazy that this ever became a thing. When Android first came out I assumed it would essentially be like Windows for the smartphone.

But imagine if Windows worked the way Android does. You buy a Dell Windows laptop and then you receive all your OS updates directly from Dell, they limit you to only 2 years of updates (if that), and put some bloated skin over the whole OS.

I don't know why Android users accept this.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by bchanudet on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:59PM (#23635275)
Updates are still pushed by the manufacturer. I have the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite (with Android One) and only got Android 10 last week.

Biggest advantage is that it's a pure Android with no bloatware from the manufacturer. Also you get a guarantee IIRC to have at least two versions upgrades for the phone (my Xiaomi came with Android 8, so 10 should be the last one), and most of all security updates.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by samtheprogram on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:43PM (#23635555)
Phones only getting 2 major software updates (which are released yearly, so 2 years) is a bit of a deal breaker for me. I understand older versions of Android are pretty well supported at least by apps in Google Play.

Also what bothers me about Android devices: I got a Galaxy S8 to do development for work, and not all manufacturers are created equal in updates of course; IIRC I waited almost a full year after the Google flagships to receive Android 9 — in fact I think I got Android 8 around the time Android 9 came out.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lostmsu on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:22PM (#23635834)
Why did you even need a physical phone? Emulator works fine for most development use cases.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by swilliamsio on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:49PM (#23636016)
I think you just answered your own question. Emulators work fine for most use cases. In the other cases, a physical phone is best.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by abakker on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:26PM (#23635446)
I mean, the fact that you need to say “pure android” kinda says it all, though.

All iOS is pure iOS. That’s the selling point for me, at least.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:52PM (#23635623)
That's only because there are no other vendors to muddy the meaning of "pure". Only one vendor of devices for the OS means only one conception about what "pure iOS" means. It doesn't necessarily mean that Apple's conception of iOS is the best possible conception of iOS.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by riquito on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:26PM (#23635866)
So if you can choose between pure and not pure, locked vs unlocked, is worse? Interesting selling point
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by abakker on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:14PM (#23636526)
For some of us, having a locked down, reliable, secure, and pure phone is a great solution.

I don’t want iOS on my random experimental project laptop, for that I have Linux or windows, or vms. But, cellphones are not something I need to hack around on.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by bllguo on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:16AM (#23637151)
their point is that you can choose to have "pure" android or "unpure" - which is not an option apple provides. why is that worse?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by wycy on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:19AM (#23641042)
Because "unpure" Android barely receives updates and the few occasions where it does, it's extremely delayed. So that's pretty "worse"

You can also choose to jailbreak an Apple device if you really want to be unpure, and luckily doing so won't prevent you from updating your phone in the future.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by JTbane on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:12PM (#23642929)
>cellphones are not something I need to hack around on.

Different strokes for different folks. I like having the ability to sideload apps and flash a different OS to my phone

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by voltagex_ on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:18PM (#23636204)
Fun. My Xiaomi came with ads baked into the app installer and a very questionable use of tracking in the web browser. Yes, Android One is great but not every device is in that program.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by AnonC on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:51AM (#23637312)
It's still true. You'd be lucky to get updates beyond two years (so choosing the brand with this in mind is more important within the Android ecosystem). There are also devices that don't get updates after a few months of launch. Updates are also delayed by several months depending on the brand.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by what_ever on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:52PM (#23635228)
Security updates are pushed monthly though. And Samsung supports security updates for much longer period.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Psychlist on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:45AM (#23651885)
Except for all the Samsung devices that don't, of course. Mine periodically says "security update available", I click "install", it says "install failed" and that's the end of that. There appears to be no way to know what the update was or to retry the install.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Nullabillity on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:02AM (#23638041)
Apples vs oranges. With iOS the norm seems to be that apps support 1 version back, if even that. So as soon as your device is no longer updated (or if you dislike the update!), you're stuck.

Android puts much more emphasis on backwards compatibility, with Google moving more and more functionality into app libraries rather than system frameworks. Our app still supports Android 4.4 (released in 2014!).

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by kube-system on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:41AM (#23640612)
You can walk into any Best Buy and buy new devices on the shelf that are running versions of Android so old they can't run apps like Netflix -- devices that are out of date now, and will never get an update. This is part of the reason Android developers need strong backwards compatibility.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by rimliu on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:05AM (#23638853)
No, the norm on the iOS is current and two versions back. It is also worth mentioning that iOS are usually supported for much longer than Android.

iphoneOS 15 will be supported by iPhone 6S: this was released in 2015. If app supports iOS 12 (which most do, as it is only one version below the current iOS 13) it means they support iPhone 5S: which was released in 2013.

And Apple users are likely to update: 92% run the latest version, and 7% are on the iOS 12.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:54PM (#23635249)
It is true that many vendors abandon their devices more quickly than I would like, but it depends on the vendor and the "flagshipness" of the device. Also, since version 8.0, Google has made a number of improvements to the modularity of the OS which make it easier for vendors to release updates ("Project Treble"), so the problem has been reduced somewhat
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by samtheprogram on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:47PM (#23635575)
While fact checking my other comment here, it seems like Samsung has been slow to roll out major version upgrades _since_ Android 8. Have other manufacturers improved in this regard since Project Treble?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:49PM (#23636020)
Motorola's pretty on top of the game.

$200 G7 got Android 10 about 3 weeks ago.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by afterburner on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:05PM (#23635310)
Lol you realize this used to be true of iOS too? I know after a few years my 3GS definitely wouldn't be able to handle the next iOS version.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by kemayo on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:20PM (#23635397)
The iPhone 3GS was released in June 2009, and the first iOS release that didn't support it was iOS 7 in September 2013.

4 years is much better than current Android phones, though it's true it doesn't quite live up to the current Apple lineup where iOS 14 is going to support the 6S which will be 5 years old by the time it launches.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by afterburner on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:44PM (#23642625)
Even if iOS 6 could be installed on the 3GS, it wasn't advisable.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by canada_dry on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:51PM (#23635611)
> continually improving the privacy/permissions model

Though an extremely annoying side effect is that they are also handicapping one of the best android features: user scripting with tools like automagic4android [i] and tasker [ii]. To wit: https://www.reddit.com/r/tasker/comments/b1272l/android_q_ta...

[i] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.gridvision.... [ii] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch....

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by cwhiz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:53PM (#23635242)
Android is a spyware operating system filled with first party spyware apps developed by Google.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by mda on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:08AM (#23638075)
This sounds like some crappy grafiti slogan.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by andrepd on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:54PM (#23635635)
As opposed to apple which isn't because... apple says so.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by mrgreenfur on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:13PM (#23635786)
No, because Apple makes money on subscriptions and retail purchases not on aggregating and reselling the data for advertisers.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by yellow_postit on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:31PM (#23636613)
Whatever happened to the concerns around Apple selling in China and what compromises they may have made for that?
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by cageface on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:33AM (#23637248)
Google doesn't sell data, it sells targeted access to users based on that data. Let's be precise if we're going to discuss the practical privacy implications of both platforms.

Meanwhile if you use iCloud backups all your data is one subpoena away from law enforcement.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by mrgreenfur on Thursday June 25, 2020 @04:57PM (#23645614)
Correct. But why does google deserve to know everything about you? What does it matter if they can still browse everything about you and they happen to resell targeting. All still bad. I agree the Warrentless wiretaps are a problem for every American company, google included.

My point stands, apples revenue is not from privacy violating advertising and has no motivation for data collection beyond product improvement

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by mrep on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:53PM (#23636047)
Apple took a 9 Billion dollar payment from Google in 2018 for Google to be the default search engine [0].

[0]: https://dazeinfo.com/2018/10/01/apple-google-fee-iphone-sear...

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by jquery on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @10:34PM (#23636300)
This doesn’t refute the parent.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by bobsil1 on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:13PM (#23636522)
iOS 14 also makes app ad tracking opt-in, Google would never.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by parthdesai on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:13PM (#23636521)
China :)
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by sidibe on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:46PM (#23636001)
Apple also makes money by selling their users to Google to do all that nasty stuff.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by chipotle_coyote on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:47AM (#23637010)
No, they really don't.

Remember the fun we had making fun of Apple Maps? Why in the world would Apple have dropped Google as the back end for their original Maps program, right? Well, it was because back in 2011 or so, Google refused to give Apple access to true turn-by-turn navigation features unless Apple gave them more access to user data. Rather than do that, Apple decided to go it themselves, even though that made the Maps product worse for years. This is consistent with Apple's behavior in other fields. (Hey, Siri!)

There are a lot of criticisms to be made of Apple, but "they're selling your data by proxy" just doesn't seem to be one of them.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by andrepd on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:19AM (#23639316)
They really do. Check the other comment on this thread.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by dkonofalski on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:32PM (#23635903)
Use any application that lets you view your network traffic and you'll see that Apple doesn't phone home anything it doesn't need to. Google phones home for everything.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by cwhiz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:39PM (#23635956)
Align the incentives.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:58PM (#23635664)
Privacy in a classic sense has died the moment when we replaced paper with electronics.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Koshkin on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:10PM (#23635756)
A picture on a TV screen didn’t use to spy on you...
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by Deflect on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:23PM (#23635843)
That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever then you'll find that pretty much since that ability was added there have been attempts by the very manufacturers to do just that.

Vizio isn't the only one but here's an example: https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/us/vizio-ftc-smart-tv-spying-p...

How-to disable additional snooping: https://www.consumerreports.org/privacy/how-to-turn-off-smar...

Mind you this goes above what most consumers would consider acceptable and can be blatantly sold to advertisers.

This is just what manufacturers have done but then there's just the attempts we know of by the CIA dump: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20206536

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by whynaut on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @11:18PM (#23636548)
> That's not exactly true. Assuming you didn't mean TVs completely without any internet connection whatsoever

It’s way too early for this to be a reasonable assumption. The fact that they made that comment implies they are aware how widespread the is.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by lostgame on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:07PM (#23635325)
Doesn't help much when the OS itself contains a million first party privacy violations, unfortunately.

Both systems have extreme downfalls with the strategy they have taken, Apple's walled garden, and Google's necessity to use tracking because they are an ad company and this is how they make money.

Overall, Apple's certainly the lesser of two evils, but I think I'll be considering a PinePhone next, once the software ecosystem has matured a bit. I'm going to start speaking with my wallet and not conceding to settling.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by deeblering4 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:10AM (#23636812)
We're talking about this because the Apple OS privacy/permissions model shed light on this issue.

That seems like an obvious advantage to me.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by wnevets on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @07:48PM (#23635192)
Especially when its taken 14 versions to get this information.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by savoytruffle on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:06PM (#23635322)
To be pedantic, version 1 and 2 of iPhone OS did not have a clipboard at all …
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by cryptoz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:43PM (#23635553)
Was it called iPhone OS then? At some point I remember Apple saying it was basically OS X running on the phone. Weird how that went.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by rootusrootus on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:30PM (#23635890)
The first iPhone used iPhone OS. It was never called OSX in production. In June 2010 it was renamed iOS.
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by shawnz on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @09:50PM (#23636029)
However they did call it OSX in the keynote: https://youtu.be/vN4U5FqrOdQ?t=548
Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by j45 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:46AM (#23637291)
I carry an Android. In Android, you and your data is the product, nothing else.

In Apple the phone is the product.

Re:iOS14 reveals that TikTok may snoop clipboard contents ev... by j45 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:52PM (#23647155)
Instead of drive by negging, happy to chat about why.

I've probably had a smartphone as long as anyone. And I hope it's not just because some people work at Google. :)