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Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Someone1234 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:19PM (#22425650)
I'm not.

There's no meaningful preparations for avoiding what is essentially a really dangerous variant of the common cold at an individual level.

Now governments and the medical field should be preparing for it. But most of that is logistical problems (e.g. number of hospital beds, preparing quarantine plans, test kits, etc).

You can order a bunch of masks if it makes you feel better, but countries with common mask usage are still seeing a large scale spread so YMMV.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Buttons840 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:30PM (#22426377)
Do not overstock on masks or other supplies. Masks especially should be available to the sick. It's ironic that (I'm sure) someone out there will stock up on 10,000 masks and it will cause them to be in even greater danger because the sick people around them will have fewer masks.

The CDC recommends that sick people wear masks to keep droplets in, and that people who directly interact with sick people wear masks while interacting with the sick person (to stop projectile droplets I presume). The CDC does not recommend masks be worn generally.

Masks help remind you not to touch your face, but you can just put tape on your fingers or something for the same effect (this is just my personal idea).

(This is more of a PSA than a direct reply to your comment.)

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by disabled on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:38PM (#22427633)
Sorry, but the tape on your fingers is a bad idea. The adhesive from tape attracts germs, and far more than just having bare skin.

Wear gloves instead, to avoid touching your face.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Buttons840 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:38PM (#22428212)
It was just an idea. You're right that it may have adverse effects.

Yet I wonder: Viruses live longer on a "clean-looking" doorknob than they do in a towel, for example. This was very counter-intuitive to me. So when it comes to a virus, would they live longer on skin or on a bandage or piece of tape?

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by disabled on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:23PM (#22428602)
Thank you for acknowledging this. I really appreciate it.

The issue is that the adhesive from tape is a form of glue. It attracts and keeps hold of germs. Plus, it is extremely hard to get fully off in terms of disinfection purposes.

I had a central line (dialysis catheter) in my chest for 4 months for a procedure called plasma exchange. You cannot take a shower with an exposed central line. A single drop of water on your line, or even the moisture/condensation from the shower can literally cause sepsis, as water has a lot of bacteria in it. This happens no matter how well the line is cleaned.

Anyways, I tried taking a shower by covering the line with a Ziploc bag and putting tape around it. I also cut the fingers off of gloves and /sealed the fingers of the glove onto the line with tape/. I literally put glue on the central line, which runs straight to my heart.

I never ended up with sepsis, due to the line only being in me shortly (4 months), but I did get chewed out by the sterility nurse.

Trust me, it is not a good idea.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jacquesm on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:31PM (#22428659)
You got very lucky. Lottery level winning lucky.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by lapinot on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:57PM (#22429646)
Basic lottery is 1 in 14 million winning. I guess "citation needed", having that exact winner on hn is pretty low probability. This is an irrational comment in an irrational subthread. I'm not sure adhesive tape doesn't have high germs density but i'm pretty sure there is little correlation between your finger sticking to a material and a germ sticking to that same material. This message has no positive outcome besides making feel good while i press "reply", it's not intended for you to read it, it's intended for me to re-read it while thinking of this moment.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by disabled on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:06PM (#22430025)
It does attract bacteria plus other pathogens, plus makes them hard to remove.

For example, in the 90s, roll tape (versus now: single use sterile IV tape) was sometimes used to secure IV lines. Here is a study on IV lines (not central lines):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1496597/

I was phenomenally stupid and also phenomenally lucky not to go in to sepsis for this move.

I do know. Even though I am currently in pharmaceutical remission, I have cheated death a few times as an adult, and I am more aware of medical risks. You would be surprised to know that I am doing well and prospering, especially if you knew my health situation.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jnbiche on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:16AM (#22442537)
> You would be surprised to know that I am doing well and prospering, especially if you knew my health situation

As someone who is in the midst of a difficult medical situation right now (and who cheated death myself 2 years ago during the episode that sent me to ICU and gifted me with yet another chronic condition), I'm very happy for you and hope I can join you in your wellness in the coming months.

Some 15 years ago, I almost fully recovered from a serious medical condition that left me partially paralyzed, in severe pain, and out of work for many months. This time around it's a lot harder, and is taking years instead of months.

Aging sucks.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:26AM (#22434644)
This complete internet stranger just wants to say he's happy to hear you're doing well and prospering, and wishes you the best in the circumstances you're in!
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by disabled on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:09PM (#22430036)
Thank you for understanding this.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cbHXBY1D on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:44PM (#22427126)
2-3 weeks ago people on here were advocating stocking up on masks and selling at a high profit.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by riquito on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:32PM (#22427585)
In Italy it's illegal, you cannot hoard or speculate on basic necessities (as the masks are being considered during the epidemic).

https://www.repubblica.it/economia/2020/02/26/news/coronavir...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by gwright on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:16PM (#22429006)
Perfect way to guarantee shortages. Let the price float and there is an incentive for businesses to figure out how to increase the supply quickly, thus causing the price to drop.

The economic theory on this is rock-solid and yet it seems impossible to educate the general public or government officials regarding the consequences of price controls.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jfim on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:59AM (#22431760)
It's not as clear cut as you say.

For example, the large increase in price creates perverse incentives to reduce the available supply and make it available at a higher price (eg. buying all the masks at $n and reselling them at a price greater than n).

A higher price also encourages counterfeiting; making fake masks that sell for $1 isn't that profitable, but if they sell for $50, there's definitely more of an incentive to do so.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by gwright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:52AM (#22433193)
The problem of low-quality or defective merchandise exists at any price point. Adding price controls doesn't prevent that problem and in fact would encourage black markets where defective merchandise is less likely to be detected by consumers or regulators.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Faaak on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:00AM (#22432008)
You suppose that you only have one "hoarder" (or speculator) in the market.

Once you have many, and if they don't talk together (which would be forbidden), masks would sell lower than what you think

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jiofih on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:29PM (#22429101)
In cases of extremely skewed demand/supply the price never actually goes down, and all the buyers get hosed. See: concert tickets.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by gwright on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:15PM (#22429404)
Not the situation we are talking about but even in that situation a government control on the price of the concert tickets could easily create a shortage. An entertainer would just choose to have concerts in a different jurisdiction that didn't limit the prices leading to 0 seats in the location with price controls.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jiofih on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:53AM (#22432485)
The entertainer makes zero money on the added price of tickets from trading dynamics we are talking about, it’s all middlemen.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by gwright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:52AM (#22433199)
Doesn't change the analysis re: supply and demand. Just changes to a discussion of the middlemen as a supplier.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jiofih on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:39PM (#22437534)
It invalidates what you mentioned re. the entertainer avoiding a certain location due to price control. And btw, price control in this case means “no resale above ticket price” or something similar, not the government controlling the pricing itself. The supply is fixed so there can’t be a shortage (except when it’s caused by price gouging performed by middlemen).
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by asdfman123 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:18PM (#22429756)
You could also try directly killing people for money if that's your thing.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by someguydave on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:12PM (#22427367)
what is profitable for the individual may not be profitable for the group.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jnbiche on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:07AM (#22442482)
I agree strongly that we shouldn't overstock on masks.

That said, I'd urge everyone to get a few P95 [1] masks for themselves and their family members, in the event that you have to accompany them to a hospital, or even to wear in public if you live in an urban environment.

1. P95 have same filtering capacity as N95, but last for much longer.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Sunday March 01, 2020 @11:23AM (#22457502)
Considering the fact that even alcohol-based hand-sanitizer is already sold out at 8 confirmed cases over here, masks seem extremely difficult to get a hold of...
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Animats on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:28PM (#22428642)
Home Depot has been out of masks and respirators here for weeks now.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by eveningcoffee on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:06PM (#22428453)
And what use is of mask with a valve for a sick person? They are already sick and valve will let contaminated air straight out? Can healthy people at least buy these?

I think that not recommending masks for everyone is very myopic considering that the virus tends to spread asymptotically.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by pmoriarty on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:14PM (#22428992)
Even if asymptomatic people transmit the virus "asymptomatic transmission likely plays a minor role in the epidemic overall, WHO says. People who cough or sneeze are more likely to spread the virus, the agency wrote"[1]

[1] - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomati...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by eveningcoffee on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:45PM (#22429207)
WHO can say what they want but considering how the virus popped up in Italy tells a different story. Something has been overlooked.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:32AM (#22434718)
I agree. It's probably aliens. Or reptilians.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by eveningcoffee on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:42PM (#22436322)
Naturally argumentum ad hominem is always the best strategy.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:51AM (#22440810)
I think that's a fallacy fallacy right there, but I also think fallacies can be fun responses to stupidity. Fallacy is a strange word. Fallacy.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by petschge on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:01PM (#22426042)
There is at least one preparation that you can take: Make sure you have enough (non quickly perishable) food and essentials such as tooth paste and toilet paper at home so you don't have to go out shopping if you are at home sick for a week.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Tepix on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:41AM (#22432423)
It's not just if you get sick yourself. If your company closes down its offices and you have to stay at home you may want to minimize your shopping during that time as well.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mindcrime on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:14PM (#22426202)
There's no meaningful preparations for avoiding what is essentially a really dangerous variant of the common cold at an individual level.

Right, but you can prepare for potential societal disruption(s) caused by the disease. Even if you don't get sick yourself, you could be impacted.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by bad_user on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:07PM (#22426116)
Masks don't help because of low quality and people lack proper training... you shouldn't touch the mask, you shouldn't reuse it, you should properly dispose it, etc.

A saner advice is to wash your hands frequently and to avoid touching your face when in public. Because you can get this virus by touching infected surfaces and then touching your face. It doesn't seem to be an airborn virus, but it does survive on surfaces.

I cary a hand sanitizer for those moments in public when I feel the need to scratch my face :-)

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jakkals on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:15PM (#22426207)
> It doesn't seem to be an airborn virus, but it does survive on surfaces.

I just read this last night, and from this I had the impression that it is an airborne virus, and that surface spreading is not the main vector:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by xboxnolifes on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:30PM (#22426373)
The "airborne" transmission in that link is what I believe is called "aerosol transmission", not airborne. Because it relies on liquid droplets in the air, and not actually able to transmit on something like dist in the air.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jacquesm on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:33PM (#22428682)
Thank you for correcting that. Big difference between the two and people will happily play 'Chinese whispers' with these bits of information leading to a totally different overall picture.

Airborne transmission doesn't require any other medium than the air itself, even dust is optional.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jakkals on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:35PM (#22426426)
There is also transmission (actually the first one mentioned) "Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet)"--this does not mention liquid droplets at all, which is why I figured it to be airborne.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by RJIb8RBYxzAMX9u on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:51PM (#22426607)
That's because many people are disgusting and don't give a fuck about proper hygiene. Just among my acquaintances I need both hands an a foot to count the number that don't even vaguely cover their mouth / nose -- let alone _properly_ cover -- while coughing or sneezing.

No amount of gentle reminder -> passive aggressive suggestion -> explicit suggestion had lasting effects on their behavior. All I could do is be vigilant and recluse myself from their company whenever one's clearly showing symptoms.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:55AM (#22435019)
The number of people I've seen 'properly' covering their mouth when they sneezed, with their hand instead of, say, elbow sleeve, and then touching all the things, is worrying.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by eveningcoffee on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:08PM (#22428477)
Wearing simple masks and glasses (!!!) would then protect against this vector.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mrfusion on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:35PM (#22428699)
Is any virus truly airborne?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jiscariot on Thursday February 27, 2020 @10:58AM (#22434359)
Measles is indicated as airborn transmission on the R0 wiki[1]. It is pretty crazy with an R0 of 12-18.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by RaceWon on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:09PM (#22428486)
> A saner advice is to wash your hands frequently and to avoid touching your face when in public

I wouldn't use a urinal either (I never do anyway, as a former licensed plumber, thosef'n things are NASTY imo). I also flush twice with my back turned before using a public toilet.. not ideal but better than not I think.

I work in hospital

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by u801e on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:18PM (#22429026)
> I also flush twice with my back turned before using a public toilet.. not ideal but better than not I think.

Flushing toilets leads to aerosolized water droplets from the toilet spreading around the room and contaminating nearby surfaces[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_plume

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by RaceWon on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:13PM (#22439393)
I know, but so does peeing into it. At least when you flush it's re-diluted.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by joering2 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:12PM (#22426176)
Masks do help and you explained why. Its harder to touch your face, nose, lips when wearing a mask. So it does help fight the spread and getting yourself sick easier.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by veemjeem on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:26PM (#22426339)
is it possible to reuse a mask if you put the mask through an autoclave?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by drcode on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:24PM (#22427501)
You might be able to use UV-C light sterilization. Strangely, these types of lights are all suddenly sold out on amazon, wonder why... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W1PHS9P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by pmoriarty on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:20PM (#22429034)
Remember that light can only sterilize the surfaces it contacts. It can not sterilize beneath the surface.

So if droplets containing viruses penetrate beneath the surface of the mask, sterilization with light will not be able to reach them.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by drcode on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:24PM (#22430135)
Obviously something like this would only make sense under extreme circumstances, when you have to leave the house, but can't use a fresh mask every time, because of shortages.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by JshWright on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:30PM (#22426381)
An N95 isn't going to survive an autoclave...
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by veemjeem on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:30PM (#22428652)
I think my P100 filters might survive an autoclave. They are the pink disc kind from 3M. Pressure cooking only goes up to 121C @ 15psi, so it isn't as hot as it may seem.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by JshWright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:17AM (#22432588)
It's not just the pressure and the temperature, it's also the steam. Autoclaves are are pretty nasty environments, and I wouldn't trust a filter that had gone through one. It's very likely the filter medium would have been degraded.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cactus2093 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:44PM (#22428265)
I assumed the reason not to re-use them is that the paper mask structurally wears out and no longer creates the proper seal on your face.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by veemjeem on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:33PM (#22428676)
what about the P100 filter cartridges used on half/full face respirators? Those have a plastic skeleton with a rubber gasket.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by kps on Thursday February 27, 2020 @10:46AM (#22434241)
They last indefintely, i.e. change the filter when it becomes clogged, which will be approximately never if you're not actually using it in a dusty environment. But check the manufacturer's instructions.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by reddog on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:40PM (#22429179)
What if you microwaved it? To be clear, I don't have any idea if this works or not, I'm just asking. And of course it couldn't have any metal parts.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by thatcat on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:27AM (#22431877)
That works for sponges but it breaks the material down pretty fast. You could possibly use ozone to sterilize the masks if you sealed a container and let it sit at a proper concentration for the correct time period.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by djmips on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:14PM (#22428993)
I heard a report that soaking them in salt water and allowing it to completely dry can destroy viruses as the salt crystals from. YMMV. Web search for more information.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by megous on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:55PM (#22425977)
Question is about disruptions caused by people's reaction to the outbreak, not the virus itself.

Stuff like this: https://www.ibtimes.sg/wuhan-virus-italy-supermarkets-are-ru...

The freaking panic is already starting in my country too. People buying up food in 10x the quantities than the usual shopping visit, etc..

I've gone shopping yesterday, when the virus was found in the country next to mine, to buy enough food for a week, just to avoid the inevitable initial panic that's starting today, when the first case appeared in my country.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by helij on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:22PM (#22428597)
It's not panic. It's reality. Many of us did the same. I went with 2 weeks worth of food, water and toiletries and we already have the usual stock which including refrigirated stuff should be enough for full month if needed. When you see small towns put into quarantine in Europe allowing people in and out only with 'written permission' you know you should prepare family and yourself asap. Get food, water, medicine and everything that might make life easier for you and your family during weeks of quarantine.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by megous on Thursday February 27, 2020 @10:26AM (#22434062)
Well, I saw a lady who bought out a full cart of flour packages yesterday. There was last 1kg package of salt, and around 6 packages of flour left on the shelf. (normally there's ~200) Yes, it's not a generalized panic, but individual people like that can really screw up the shopping experience for others.

Is it panicking? Dunno, maybe she's just setting up a flour shop, or has 50 hungry necks to feed. But it was certainly unusual.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by helij on Saturday February 29, 2020 @09:28AM (#22450700)
We regularly buy 10kg of flour because we have a bread maker. The last time I bought bread (not counting when on holiday) is 3.5 years ago. 10kg is enough for over a week.

Full cart is a bit much though if it's like 50kg+

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Diederich on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:45PM (#22428786)
My wife was in a pretty typical Walgreens today and noted that there was a sign in front saying that they didn't have any masks left and that they didn't know when they were going to get more. Inside, there were a number of sections besides masks that were completely empty.

This Walgreens is in Mountain View, a few miles from the main Google campus in California.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by ClearAndPresent on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:13AM (#22431813)
>The freaking panic is already starting in my country too. People buying up food in 10x the quantities than the usual shopping visit, etc..

>I've gone shopping yesterday, when the virus was found in the country next to mine

What's the old saying? "You're not sitting in traffic, you are the traffic." :)

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by akerro on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:02PM (#22426056)
All animals panic even in minor danger.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by gonational on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:36PM (#22429514)
What country are you in, if you don’t mind me asking?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by megous on Thursday February 27, 2020 @10:19AM (#22433985)
CZ
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by millettjon on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:05PM (#22427871)
You can maximize immune system functioning by making sure you get proper nutrition and plenty of sleep.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by capkutay on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:35PM (#22429146)
I know this sounds trivial, but there's data that suggests common immune-systems boosters such as zinc and vitamin C do help with covid-19.

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by pascalxus on Thursday February 27, 2020 @12:02AM (#22430660)
Just get some green lentils from the bulk section. Lentils are high in zinc and It's always better to get your nutrition from actual food, rather than supplements which are unregulated and contain god knows what (not to mention it's not how your body normaly absorbs nutrients).
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Confiks on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:46PM (#22429573)
As far as I know, zinc pyrithione isn't available in any consumer product, because it is pretty toxic in moderate levels. Without it (from the article) "the concentration of free Zn2+ is maintained at a relatively low level by metallothioneins".

Zinc supplementation may of course help if you are deficient, but the study can't really tell if 'healthy' Zn2+ concentrations contribute anything to the inhibition of viral replication.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mb_72 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:22PM (#22430424)
There's not really such a thing as 'boosting' your immune system - it's either working properly, or it's not. A 'boosted' / over-active immune system results in auto-immune diseases like Crohn's (which is what I have). Funnily enough I'm being treated with Stelara which actually suppresses my immune system - so it's no 'live' vaccines for me and other vaccines might not work effectively or at all, and I need to be extra careful to avoid getting ill. Working 100% remote is something I am appreciating more and more currently.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Dylan16807 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @02:24AM (#22431387)
> it's either working properly, or it's not

It can be normal, over-active, under-active, and likely both. "working or not" is too simplistic for this discussion.

> A 'boosted' / over-active immune system results in auto-immune diseases like Crohn's (which is what I have).

Yes, but that doesn't mean that a temporary boost couldn't potentially help in certain situations.

Along those lines, I bet if you really needed a specific live vaccine your doctor would have you suspend that drug for a little bit.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by droithomme on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:01PM (#22429323)
I'm taking modest levels of Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin D, Quinine Hydrochloride, Zinc, and standardized Forsythia Extract.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by lsllc on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:24PM (#22428068)
Don't forget exercise.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by spking on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:24PM (#22428608)
Do you suppose gyms are a bad place to go during an outbreak? So far I haven't stopped going, but seems like it could be an especially nasty hotbed of airborne and surface-based viruses.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by pmoriarty on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:12PM (#22428971)
You don't have to go to the gym to exercise. Plenty of bodyweight exercise (like push-ups, L-sits, planks, burpees, etc) can be done at home without any equipment.

Investing in a little bit of equipment, like barbells or maybe a pull-up bar, can let you do even more exercise at home.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:36AM (#22434782)
While I could Google this, I often prefer asking people I 'know' even as tangentially as via HN comments: any suggestions for resources about this? I'd like to exercise more, and I have an entire room available, but I'm not sure where to start. I have the one-handed weight thingies, for one, but a pull-up bar is not an option. I heard one of those ball thingies with a handle is useful?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by ricg on Friday February 28, 2020 @11:35AM (#22443970)
https://darebee.com is another good site. They have lots of videos explaining various exercises. Just make sure you start with the entry-level exercises to slowly build up your strength.

I'd even recommend to not worry so much about timing your workouts as this causes too much stress, just focus on the exercises themselves in the beginning to make sure you do them properly.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Barracoon on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:14PM (#22437966)
This app may be useful to you. I've used it for about 6 months and have been pretty happy with it. You can customize what equipment you have available so that it builds you a workout based on that. On the other side, you can look at what equipment it lists and determine what you want to buy.

https://www.fitbod.me

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by mercer on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:48AM (#22440798)
Awesome, thanks for the link!
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by thorwasdfasdf on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:15PM (#22428996)
if you're excercising for health, you don't need a gym. Just go for a vigorous walk, do some gardening, maybe a run, or vacuum the house. All of those count as excellent ways to get exercise.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by dvfjsdhgfv on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:07AM (#22431549)
I have no idea why you're being downvoted. Have people forgotten how to exercise without gyms?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by kingosticks on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:40AM (#22431942)
I'm not sure I'd personally suggest that hoovering the house is an "excellent" form of exercise, but at least they didn't blindly assume the person was going to the gym purely because they were not aware how to exercise outside of it. Perhaps the community aspect of their gym is what attracts them. None of the replies actualy answer the original question of are gyms are a particularly bad place to go. I would suggest they absolutely are a bad idea as they involve a lot of air conditioning and a lot of shared surfaces. And also a lot of coughing even at the best of the times.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by dvfjsdhgfv on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:10AM (#22431555)
There is a nice book by a convict who used his time in jail to exercise using whatever available, a very inspiring read. The title is Convict Conditioning.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by ravenstine on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:39PM (#22426466)
You can limit your exposure.

Lots of people only wash their hands when they use the bathroom, if even that. They touch their faces and mouths a lot more often than they think. If they can learn to change their habits, wash their hands regularly if they go in public, and work from home more often if allowed by their employer, I'd say those are meaningful preparations.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by wnkrshm on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:35AM (#22433072)
Is there a procedure for when your face itches? Use your arm? Part of a shirt?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by aaron695 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:58PM (#22429303)
It's hard not to down vote this.

It's wrong, but the question was about what people are doing and thinking.

I think it's important to see what people think and people shouldn't be down voted for being honest.

But I have to be OT and say "a really dangerous variant of the common cold" - It's killing 14% of people over 80 who get it at last estimates. And permanently hurting a lot of people over 80 as well.

And we don't really do flu season as well as we could, as a society we need to step up a bit in general. We could all prepare for even the flu season more than we do. Common cold, perhaps meh.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by qrbLPHiKpiux on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:09PM (#22428485)
You should be. My business operation supply chains are disrupted. Without certain goods, I can't work.

I am not without, but my suppliers have rationed some things I buy.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by kevas on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:17PM (#22430402)
How bad are they disrupted? Any idea when they’ll be back up? If you have backup suppliers, are they down too?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by the_watcher on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:40PM (#22428739)
I don't think OP is asking about preparing for or avoiding actually getting the disease. OP is asking about preparing for potential shortages of goods if quarantines are ultimately deployed in the US (which is what's already happening globally).
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Fnoord on Thursday February 27, 2020 @09:00AM (#22433259)
Me neither, I trust my government will if its required. Could burn some 10 kg and still be OK on weight. More concerned about rest of family.
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Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by tebuevd on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:31PM (#22426394)
This is so infuriatingly false. The mortality rate for the flu this season has been ~0.1%.

The coronavirus is over 10x deadlier than the usual flu according to early estimates.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-1...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by m3kw9 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:31PM (#22428152)
10x deadlier for 50+ yr olds for younger folks is probably 5-7x lower
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by kps on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:18PM (#22428564)
“… and nobody in my Bay area startup is over 50, because we hire for culture fit.”
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by ericb on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:41PM (#22428240)
Lower overall, but I believe it isn't lower than the flu for any age range, except maybe 0-10 or 0-20. I'll try and find the relevant study link.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by rp00 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:33PM (#22426406)
I disagree with your sentiment about preppier mentality strongly. For me, it’s not about prepping to survive like THIS is a world-ending event, it’s about not getting caught in a rush to get supplies or stampedes when people panic. Tbh, that’s more of a concern than the disease.

That said, the serious complication rate is higher than the flu.

The r0 is much higher than the flu.

The disease is spread asymptomatically.

Nobody is ready if the disease does take hold and spreads widely.

Markets are/will continue to take a massive shit.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Hnrobert42 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:27PM (#22428636)
Either A. the r0 is much higher due to asymptomatic spreading OR B. the serious complication rate is higher. It’s likely not both. If A. is true, the serious complication rate is likely overstated because there are lots of asymptomatic people who are getting counted.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jacquesm on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:37PM (#22428715)
The serious complication rate is ~20% or so of confirmed cases, that's pretty high.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by Hnrobert42 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:30AM (#22449624)
But how do we know it is 20%? If R0 is higher than we think due to asymptomatic spreading, then we likely aren’t counting all the asymptomatic cases. If we did, it would result in a lower serious complication rate. That’s why I said it can’t be both.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by rimliu on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:41PM (#22427660)
You are just among the first to panic.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:52PM (#22426618)
> There is only a ~2% mortality rate from COVID-19

Correct.

> less than the usual flu

I'm pretty sure that's wrong. From a quick Google the best I could find was an Atlantic article saying the rate is typically around 0.1%. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vac...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by 8iterations on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:54PM (#22427227)
I was wrong about the season flu being less deadly. However if we look past lay press like CNBC or The Atlantic because this is cutting edge/developing research, and into the academic press, we see that the mortality rate is significantly lower than other outbreaks like SARS & MERS (9%,35%) https://academic.oup.com/view-large/figure/199362642/dyaa033... https://doi.org/10.1093/ije/dyaa033

So it seems prudent to reiterate that the only causes for social disruption & need to prep would be to have unjustified panic and run at stores like the behavior seen in Italy.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by nyolfen on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:56PM (#22427804)
significantly less deadly than sars but also significantly more contagious. sars was only contagious once you showed symptoms, which does not appear to be the case here. for covid, los alamos suggests a pre-intervention r0 of 4-6: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v...

the fatality rate increases with age, up to ~15% for >80. i don't know about you but i have older people in my family that i'm very concerned about.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by 8iterations on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:22PM (#22428042)
Yes I agree with you, I am concerned with the elderly & infants. As these are the demographics which usually have higher fatal outcome both in diseases, and even adverse effects from drugs/surgery.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jacquesm on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:36PM (#22428704)
Young children are surprisingly resilient against Coronavirus infections, their mortality is so low that it hardly figures in the stats (on an individual level it is still just as much a tragedy).
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cjamesd on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:49PM (#22429929)
As the father of a newborn, grateful to hear this. Do you have a source?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by rediguanayum on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:05AM (#22430965)
I have kids too and wondered about this. Chinese CDC epidemiology study indicates that kids seemed to be spared from Covid-19 (See table 1) http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9...

Age is very significant for mortality rate: 0-9: 0%, ..., 60-69: 3.6%, 70-79: 8.0%, 80+: 14.8%. Also the regional breakdown is apparently a useful approximation of what happens when the healthcare system is overwhelmed (Hubei 2.9%) vs not (other Chinese provinces 0.4%). Also 81% patients reported mild symptoms.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by davidw on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:48PM (#22429235)
Even 'healthy' age people can get hit hard. One of the first people in Italy to be diagnosed with it is just now coming out of intensive care.

If those beds start to fill up... people that might otherwise be helped through the worst might be in trouble.

https://www.lastampa.it/cronaca/2020/02/27/news/coronavirus-...

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by fctorial on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:27PM (#22426353)
The spread seems to be plateu as well. Total numbers will probably be less than 100,000.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by TheAdamAndChe on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:47PM (#22426561)
It plateaued in China following an incredibly massive quarantine effort. The infection is hitting countries with not nearly the social control measures that China has.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by jerf on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:49PM (#22427730)
You might be surprised. There are some old laws and powers that are going to be dusted off, and in some other cases it may be the case that governments just claim powers on an emergency basis and essentially nobody other than the absolute political fringes of society is going to complain.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by nostrademons on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:06PM (#22428454)
Much of the world isn't actually under control of a government. Here in the developed world, we've basically bought into the nation-state system, with a strong central government controlling a defined territory with border checkpoints. But many parts of central Asia, the Middle East, Africa, and rural areas in other continents aren't like this. The dominant social organization is by tribe, clan, cartel, gang, or warlord; borders are porous or nonexistent; and the government has no authority, not even a monopoly on physical force.

The virus doesn't care whether you believe in governments, and it's just now hitting these regions - Pakistan, Africa, North Korea, etc.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by wonderwonder on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:55PM (#22428363)
"essentially nobody other than the absolute political fringes of society is going to complain"

I very much dont think that is the way this plays out in the western world.

In China, they welded the doors shut on entire residential buildings leaving the people in there to either die or survive on their own. They bagged and gagged people with elevated temperature and force quarantined them. They had crematoriums working over time.

China has complete military control of their population, this is going to go very differently in the West.

China's process was very effective and probably greatly reduced the rate of infection but there is no way people in other countries are just going to sit silently while the same actions are carried out.

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cjamesd on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:51PM (#22429942)
Source for these claims?
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by pmoriarty on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:27PM (#22429080)
China's numbers are absolutely not reliable, because:

- they've changed their reporting standards multiple times

- they don't seem to be testing enough people because of test kit shortages, because many people seem to have given up going to hospitals when they're sick because they know they won't get in or because they're barricaded in to their homes or forbidden from leaving

- their media censorship makes it difficult to independently verify the numbers they are reporting

Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cycrutchfield on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:58PM (#22428390)
It also plateaued in China IF you happen to believe the numbers they are reporting are genuine, which I would wager they are not.
Re:Ask HN: How are you preparing for COVID-19 disruptions? by cycrutchfield on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:37PM (#22427617)
This is complete wishful thinking. It is nowhere near contained