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Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by xfitm3 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:18PM (#20371670)
Is Office 365 any better - or am I stuck running my own mail server if I really want privacy?
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by manigandham on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:26PM (#20372069)
You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels.

A 3rd-party will never be as private as running your own mail server but that's not exactly easy either these days.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by joecool1029 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:06PM (#20372585)
> You can also pay for GSuite for your own domains for better controls and support levels.

As a reseller of GSuite I can tell you this is plainly wrong. Support is virtually nonexistent for paid GSuite (by this I mean, it's the same outsourced team with no escalation path to anyone in engineering). Avoid at all costs for a business.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by manigandham on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:42PM (#20372718)
Thanks for the input but we run on Gsuite and haven't had a single problem compared to Office 365 which locked us out repeatedly because some rep in some outsourced support center wasn't available.

The reality is every provider is both good and bad, and you're unlikely to get any major support unless you're the CTO of a major corporation.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by cmroanirgo on Sunday July 07, 2019 @02:01AM (#20373773)
There's a big difference in moving from one provider to another (and having less problems) vs claiming that there's better support to be had with the paid version of gmail (compared to it's free offering).
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by manigandham on Sunday July 07, 2019 @03:48AM (#20374023)
I can't think of any product or service where you dont get better support after paying. Can you?
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by joshuamorton on Sunday July 07, 2019 @02:56AM (#20373903)
Question: do you expect escalation to a member of the engineering team as part of standard support for any piece of large enterprise software? Like Microsoft, Oracle etc?
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by londons_explore on Sunday July 07, 2019 @09:32PM (#20379252)
No.

The small engineering team of 5 people can't properly deal with more than say 1 support request per day (since any request getting to that level is almost certain to require adding/modifying a feature or the way the product works).

Gmail has 1 billion users. That means fewer than 1 in 3 million people can have a support request that gets through to the engineering team without overwhelming them.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by slenk on Saturday July 06, 2019 @11:40PM (#20373445)
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by yoavm on Sunday July 07, 2019 @12:16AM (#20373517)
Mail-in-a-box user here. It's incredibly easy to set up your own email server these days, yes, but it's practically impossible to have your emails pass the Gmail/Outlook/etc spam filters and actually arrive at your recipient's inbox.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by slenk on Sunday July 07, 2019 @12:28PM (#20375884)
Hmm, that's really curious to me. Once I had DMARC, DKIM, SPF set up properly, I only had an issue with my IP being on a spamhhaus blocklist.

Super easy to remove from the blocklists.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by manigandham on Sunday July 07, 2019 @12:18AM (#20373524)
What is spam filtering and deliverability like?
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by slenk on Sunday July 07, 2019 @12:29PM (#20375887)
mailinabox doesn't really have any, but mailcow's is great. RSPAMD is really easy to use.

I am not entirely sure what you mean by delivery?

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by vanadium on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:29PM (#20372088)
For the record, I have a paid business GSuite account for our household, and my purchase history was out there as well.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by javagram on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:21PM (#20372842)
I have a paid business gsuite for my personal mail also, but my purchase history was blank. Weird.

I actually would like to turn it on if I could... I have labels and filters set up on Gmail to try and do the same thing but having google do it for me would be great.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by Spooky23 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:23PM (#20372052)
No data in the hands of a third party custodian is secure.

You need to delete your mail in less than 30 days, and store content you want to preserve in your home.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by godelski on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:03PM (#20372291)
That's a little much to say. Because setting up a good secure sever isn't trivial.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by windexh8er on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:06PM (#20372583)
Actually it can be. There are free archiving solutions for personal use. I run Mailarchiva [0] at home and it's fantastic for archiving mail and completely free for personal use. Encrypted on disk and you don't need to run it all the time if you don't want. Just fire up the VM for a few hours a month to archive the delta. Has been flawless for me so far and the archive searching is very fast.

[0] https://www.mailarchiva.com/

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by godelski on Saturday July 06, 2019 @07:21PM (#20372635)
How does it deal with spam filtering? This is something I understood to be a problem, along with security.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by windexh8er on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:20PM (#20372838)
This is archiving, not a replacement for a mail server. This way you can delete all mail from your provider >30 days, for example, and still keep searchable copies off net. It's a nice middle ground and, yes, Google would still have seen all of your mail - however it wouldn't have access to it long term.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by Spooky23 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @08:31PM (#20372883)
As someone who ran a significant email service for several years and dealt with many variations of discovery requests, no it isn’t.

Nobody said that you need to run a mail server, just keep your data in your possession.

If you are worried about privacy with respect to your data, you only have limited protection for 180 days if it is on the providers server. (See Stored Communications Act)

In the US, the 4th amendment ensures that you are “secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects”. But when you put your papers or effects in the hands of a third party who isn’t your attorney, you lose much of those rights.

GMail IMO is the most honest of these services, as they are very clear that your privacy is limited in scope. Fastmail, Protonmail, etc imply things that are not as meaningful as one may think.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by oedenfield on Sunday July 07, 2019 @02:57AM (#20373904)
I work for Microsoft but not on any O365, Outlook.com, or advertising team.

Outlook.com (free public service) does not scan emails for ads - I filed a support ticket for asking about this year's ago.

Additionally, if you pay for O365 (Home or Personal, maybe just Home?) and use the same Microsoft account for email (via Outlook.com) then no ads are displayed at all.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by hatfortguy on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:28PM (#20371742)
You could try Protonmail. It's secure and supports GPG out of the box.

They have a free tier that they run as a "charity case". As with anything where your data _isn't_ the price, they have paid tiers too.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by hatfortguy on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:30PM (#20371751)
I realize that doesn't answer your question about 365, but I meant to simply let you know there are good privacy friendly paid services too :)
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by ulfw on Sunday July 07, 2019 @05:47AM (#20374351)
I'm paying $48 for Microsoft Hosted Exchange with my own domain and am very happy about it. Exchange pushes to Mac, iPhone and iPad, good sync, no ads or similar shenanigans. It's just badly marketed but here it is for those who are interested: https://products.office.com/en-us/exchange/exchange-online
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by zeeZ on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:56PM (#20371906)
Office 365 is a paid product, so I would hope so. I also don't recall them trying to be your personal assistant.

A first step to the answer to that question would probably be to compare all the terms and contracts.

If you really really want your privacy you're better off running your own. But then a lot of your contacts probably use a provider you didn't trust hosting your email, so there goes a large chunk of that privacy again...

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by away_throw on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:54PM (#20372522)
I recommend Posteo. They've been great to me so far. They are 12 euro a year and run on renewable energy plus have sane privacy standards. All payments are anonymous according to their website. But GPG will always be king for privacy.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by samat on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:20PM (#20371682)
Fastmail
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by Droobfest on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:16PM (#20372022)
I like everything about Fastmail, but they're Australian and Australia seems to be one of the worst jurisdictions when it comes to data privacy. See this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18654434
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by drevil-v2 on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:36PM (#20372444)
Absolutely not. Fastmail is an Australian company and is subject to one of the most intrusive digital surveillance requirements in the Western world. And thanks to the Five Eyes framework, easily shared among intelligence agencies.

They do not compete on Privacy at all in my opinion. So then the choice comes down to price, features and economic viability of the organisation. I think price and features they are on par with Office 365, well at least for individuals not for enterprises.

But in terms economic longevity I think Microsoft wins hands down. Fastmail might be days away from bankruptcy, none of us would know as it is private company. I would rather have my personal email, that is the glue to modern life, with a Trillion dollar company than with a relatively new minnow.

Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by therein on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:57PM (#20371908)
I was going to recommend Fastmail as well. I'm a paying customer and very happy with it.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by hombre_fatal on Saturday July 06, 2019 @05:23PM (#20372054)
Just don't miss a payment or your email address will be up for grabs again. :)
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by Avalaxy on Saturday July 06, 2019 @04:27PM (#20371731)
That does not answer his question, whether Office365 is better for privacy or not.
Re:Google Gmail purchase history can't be deleted by techslave on Saturday July 06, 2019 @06:10PM (#20372319)
if you “really” want privacy, you must use e2e encryption eg pgp.

i’m pretty sure that’s not what you meant, so you need to clarify your question.