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Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by AdmiralAsshat on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:40AM (#19017697)
>Few of these fans would recognise much of what’s sold today. The white flakes many of us grew up shaking from a green can aren’t parmesan, not even close. Within the EU, both Parmigiano-Reggiano and its anglicised version, “parmesan”, are legally registered terms protected by the PDO – protected designation of origin – label since 1996. But in the US, the law protects only the name “Parmigiano-Reggiano” (In the EU, those green Kraft canisters are labelled “Parmasello”).

This should be everyone's takeaway point from the article. The generic term "parmesan" means nothing. Don't buy it unless it actually says "Parmigiano-Reggiano", as that guarantees at least some minimum level of quality (fraud notwithstanding).

I'd also suggest that anyone with a Costco membership should grab a wedge from there. You'll pay $18 or so for a chunk of quality stuff that will last you about six months. It's very, very resilient to mold.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by eyko on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:28AM (#19018126)
Not everyone needs Parmagiano-Reggiano. You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta and it will be Very Good(TM). No need to waste good quality DOP on that.

As with all cheeses, "parmesan" labeled cheeses will also vary in quality. Go for what your wallet + taste buds tell you to pick. There really are good quality "parmesan" brands out there. Maybe not the cheapest stuff in your grocery store, but as long as you know what you're getting...

I have a philosophy: if it's made from real milk and by craftspeople who respect the product and the customer, then DOP is not necessarily the only marker of quality cheese.

edit: Here's an anecdote: A few months ago I travelled to the USA (Detroit) for a friend's wedding. Most of the food after the ceremony was from local producers, either acquaintances or good friends of the couple. My friend (who is also not from the USA) told me to try some of the charcuterie and cheeses on one of the tables and to tell him what I thought (we're both from Spain). The parmesan on that table was just perfect. Obviously not the real deal, but you could see the texture: the crumbly-ness (is that a word?), the little crystals cracking in your mouth, the aroma... I would not have guessed it was local produce. The same goes for the cured meats (some chorizo, and some cured ham, with a profile somewhere in between serrano and prosciutto). Really good stuff, and definitely not DOP.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Brakenshire on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:02AM (#19018470)
> Not everyone needs Parmagiano-Reggiano. You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta and it will be Very Good(TM).

I was served something marked as 'Gruyere' in the US, and it was a bright white, liquid-paste-like substance which oozed out of a foil triangle, basically a generic processed cheese product unrelated to Gruyere. So if you buy something marked as Parmesan, presumably, it could be almost anything with a dairy base. There must be good products, but the name doesn't seem to be a guarantee of anything.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by phaus on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:40PM (#19019349)
I've never seen parmesan packaged in anything that wasn't transparent or completely clear. If you buy a block of parmesan that doesn't seem to actually be parmesan its probably your fault.

Some cheeses like the one you mentioned, I can see a need for caution, but I can generally look at a block of parmesan and tell whether its going to be great or mediocre.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by pmontra on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:51PM (#19020005)
It doesn't matter if the package is transparent or not. If the name is not Parmigiano-Reggiano it's something else. No doubt it's edible, but not the cheese you want if you went out to buy Parmigiano-Reggiano.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by phaus on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:39PM (#19020384)
I'm not sure how your comment is relevant. Brakenshire suggested that you could buy a type of cheese that's marketed as a specific kind of cheese, only to find that it is completely different in consistency, texture, and flavor. I'm saying that's not likely with parmesan cheese due to the fact that you can see it. I've had Parmigiano-Reggiano and a multitude of other less authentic Parmesan cheeses, 100% of the time if it has looked similar and been marked as parmesan it tasted like it was the same general type of cheese as Parmigiano-Reggiano, even if it wasn't as good. He was describing an experience where the cheese tastes nothing like what its supposed to because it is something completely different.

The packaging is relevant because its impossible to make the same mistake with Parmesan cheese because if it looks like a block of parmesan cheese its going to taste very similar to parmigiano-reggiano.

I don't recall ever saying that its the same thing as officially certified and/or marketed parmigiano-reggiano. Perhaps you should read comments and the comments they were responding to more closely.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by saiya-jin on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:00AM (#19018450)
That might be all nice and true, but then why the desperate need from manufacturers to appear as close as original as possible to trick and lure some unknowing shoppers?

If you make a copy, and you are proud how good it is, make it clear and add what makes yours so special. The discussion it seems is more about cheaper knock-offs that many people don't distinguish from original because they don't know exact words in names and other signs to look for. These often come with subpar ingredients and additives/conservants as noted in the article - which is something many people are concerned about, even if taste is OK.

EU might be a pile of crap in many aspects, but protection of local, traditional products is definitely something I support and it seems to be done well.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by basch on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:00PM (#19020096)
Parmesan is a generic word in America. It's a word to describe a family of hard cheeses, usually ground by Kraft.

Im not sure if every times a brand describes a cheese as Parmesan they are trying to be misleading or trick people into thinking its from Europe, they are just describing it in a way that aligns with Americans expectations.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by afiori on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @05:14AM (#19025190)
> Im not sure if every times a brand describes a cheese as Parmesan they are trying to be misleading or trick people into thinking its from Europe

For sure not everybody but sure some do and for sure if you can make people think "this looks like the original stuff but at a nice price" that is a boon for your sales. You do not need to lie for this, often just having a not crappy design for the packaging is enough, since people often (and rightly so) don't really know what they want.

As an Italian we can get a bit emotional on this (and I truly think that some imitations are truly worthy of their own respect) but there is value in distinguishing a DOP brand, eg it make manufacturing much more accountable for the quality of their products.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by basch on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @10:10AM (#19026878)
So I went to the grocery store yesterday for a little taste test. Just a small little market. Decided to do it in two steps. First find the best imitation, then I would compare it to the real thing.

Interestingly enough, the only Parmigiano-Reggiano on the shelf was BelGioioso. I went "oh shit, they were right, there is some tomfoolerly in advertising." Then I noticed they actually were importing it from Italy. They had a block of Parmigiano Reggiano right next to a block of Parmesan from WI.

Once I looked at the two though, I dont think anyone could make the claim they were trying to be tricky. The Parmesan was labeled Parmesan. The import was all fancy, had IMPORTED stamped all over it, they were using it as a selling point to differentiate between the two.

As for the results, the BelGioioso Parmesan was easily the worst of the three. BUT, it was also half the price of the Satori Montamore Cheddar/Parmesan and Satori Sarvecchio Parmesan.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by eafkuor on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:01AM (#19018462)
> You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta

Jesus Christ you almost gave me a heart attack

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by woodpanel on Monday January 28, 2019 @04:29PM (#19021252)
As a European this whole American microwaved cheese on noodles thing was always a prime cliché example of classless American quisine (I think for Americans too).

Boy am I happy to have gotten over that snobbishness! Apart from many American dishes that blew me away macaroni and cheese wasn’t one of it (since it’s not served in US diners ... i think). So I tried it out at home (leftover noodles and some cheese) and I have to say: it was really good. The melt is perfect. I don’t know of any technique capable of merging noodles with melted cheese in such an immersive way other than with a microwave (radiating oven heat will have a different effect).

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by hrpolice on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:30PM (#19022170)
You probably haven't tried Indian food served as an all you can eat buffet in the USA. Those places are legendary for their exquisite taste palette.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by whatshisface on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:36PM (#19019317)
Sometimes I buy the yellow cheese slices at the grocery store without reading what kind they are.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by rayiner on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:48PM (#19019419)
I take coffee from our fancy machine and dump ice cubes in to cool it down.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by masklinn on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:12PM (#19019637)
That's close to the japanese iced coffee method: make the coffee twice as strong as you want it, then pour fresh coffee straight onto equal volume of ice cubes (you can drip pour-overs straight in ice). Super easy and makes for pretty good iced coffee in summer.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by QuercusMax on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:36PM (#19019848)
That's what I do to make iced coffee - strong aeropress directly onto a glass full of ice. Add a splash of milk if you like, and it's heavenly.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by rayiner on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:07PM (#19020142)
Except I make it regular strength and water it down because fancy coffee tastes too much like coffee.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by ukoki on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:35PM (#19019840)
Or a Spanish "cafe con hielo": An espresso served alongside a tumbler of ice cubes.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by coldtea on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:07PM (#19020140)
>Not everyone needs Parmagiano-Reggiano. You can buy parmesan to put on your microwaved pasta and it will be Very Good(TM).

The above phrase would be considered akin to hate speech in Italy.

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Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by scrollaway on Monday January 28, 2019 @05:02PM (#19021506)
Do you have a problem with people who think that?
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by drugme on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:23AM (#19036398)
No. But in general your gut has a significant problem with microwave food if you eat it day in, day out.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by jriot on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:01PM (#19020105)
Sure if you're microwaving pasta, not sure why you would do that, you don't need Parmigiano-Reggiano, but why subject yourself to poor quality food.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by m000 on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:25AM (#19018705)
The PDO may not work as expected in the face of rising popularity of a product. This could be the case for Parmigiano-Reggiano. A recent #notonmypasta campaign [1] outlined abuses on milk-producing cows (e.g. 0 pasture days) in the PDO region. Cheese produced by potentially sickly animals can't ever be considered the pinnacle of quality. The BBC article attributing nearly-magic properties to the cheese just makes things worse. The article almost reads as an advertorial/counter-campaign.

I'd personally go for a Parmesan knockoff from a farm certified for animal welfare, rather than the PDO with shadows over the quality of the milk used.

[1]: https://www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2017/11/the-cruel-truth-behind-...

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by basch on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:10AM (#19017974)
There are good American variants. "Parmigiano-Reggiano" may be protected, but it doesnt mean that the only good cheese is coming from Italy.

https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/American-Grana

https://www.belgioioso.com/Products/Parmesan

Check out section H - https://1sskha48hhbhl0oc61bhsagh-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-...

https://wccc.myentries.org/contest/results/?event=61&eventCl...

They won first place in America and the World this year. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th came from Wisconsin at world. 5th and 7th from Italy. And there are 6 different companies from Wisconsin represented on that list. NY, SD, IA, and MD are the only other states represented.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by sgc on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:34AM (#19018191)
Come on. That last is obviously a "championship" which is completely biased towards American style and palate, and probably only has a very few non-American cheeses in the competition. It is run by the Wisconsin Cheese Makers Association, and might not even have many submissions that aren't from Wisconsin. They only list styles and winners but it is transparently biased/primarily local. Similar comments can be made for the American Cheese Society link.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by basch on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:44AM (#19018874)
They may or may not be impartial, but is it really any different than the EU PDO? If Italy can claim the flavor is special to the region, Wisconsin should be able to make similar claims of their superiority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/how-good-has-u...

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by ceejayoz on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:59AM (#19019010)
PDO doesn't claim "this is better", just "this is made in a consistent fashion from consistent ingredients and will have a consistent taste".

Wisconsin can most certainly get a protected origin mark, if they like.

It's like McDonalds vs. a diner. You know exactly what you get when you got to a McDonalds; it will be essentially identical all over the country. Going to a diner may be amazing, or it may be shit.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by mastry0da on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:56PM (#19019485)
Very different. I've tried cooking with Bel Gioso's products a few times. If their packaged mozzarella is anything like their parmesan, i'd pass.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Jedd on Monday January 28, 2019 @03:01PM (#19020549)
"When we hold a World Championship for a particular sport, we invite teams from other countries to play, as well."

    John Cleese talking about the differences between the UK and USA
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by luckydata on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:29AM (#19018141)
I'm Italian living in California, I looked far and wide for reasonable alternatives and wished to find good stuff here. You can give yourself all the medals you want but it won't make you the real deal, the stuff you mentioned might be passable grated but it's not even remotely the same when consumed by itself.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by breatheoften on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:23PM (#19019197)
I’m originally American living in Europe at the moment (where regional food trademark labels are honored) and I have to say — real Parmesan is utterly pure magic ...
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Kurtz79 on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:33AM (#19018180)
Have you tried the actual cheeses he mentions?
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by luckydata on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:48PM (#19019422)
Yes, but I didn't need to. American producer aren't up to snuff at the moment. Belgioioso is an italian brand BTW, I used to sell it in my family's store back in Italy, we used to own a high end deli and know quite a bit about Italian food and specifically about cheese, at 15 I was the "product manager" for parent's store. Ask me anything :)
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by atombender on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:24PM (#19019733)
BelGioioso is absolutely an American brand [1]. It was admittedly founded by an Italian immigrant and run by "Italian master cheesemakers", but all cheese production happens in Wisconsin, using American dairy and workers.

[1] https://www.belgioioso.com/Secret

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by luckydata on Monday January 28, 2019 @03:28PM (#19020769)
I call it "Italian" because they are culturally and technically very similar to the companies that make cheese in Italy, and an offshoot of Auricchio (they have been importing cheese in the US for a long time before starting that US company). They make more or less the same medium quality products Auricchio is known for in this country, I'm not really a fan.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Fins on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:21PM (#19019707)
There are some very good cheese makers in the States (e.g. Prairie Fruit). But of course they have enough decency not to call their stuff "Parmesan" when it isn't.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by basch on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:02PM (#19019543)
How does it being sold in Italy make it an Italian brand? Do they make some of it there? Or is it an unrelated company.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by luckydata on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:09PM (#19019617)
It was started by a member of the Auricchio family - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auricchio
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by masklinn on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:15PM (#19019664)
> There are good American variants. "Parmigiano-Reggiano" may be protected, but it doesnt mean that the only good cheese is coming from Italy.

Cool. How about they stand on their own feet and you folks stop lying about and mislabeling products?

It's also quite obvious that Italy is not the only place good cheese comes from. The UK and France at the very least are in the running.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by mikepurvis on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:24AM (#19018096)
Depending where you live, there are a lot of small-time artisan cheese makers who make great product. For example, Gunn's Hill in southwestern Ontario— their stuff is more like a mild swiss than a sharper parmesan, but it's beautifully flexible for sandwiches, sauces, snacking, whatever. And the cheese counters at our local farmers market have a number of options like this.

https://www.gunnshillcheese.ca/artisan-cheese/our-artisan-ch...

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by HelloNurse on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:29PM (#19019252)
WTF? The official website photo of "American Grana" shows a wheel with holes. This is not Swiss cheese: it's a major defect that is evidence of bad fermentation.

Apart from the demented indications (the "Parmesan" is aged far too little to allow grating) and recipes (e.g. Aglio e Olio spaghetti, the most inappropriate place to put grated cheese of any type on), these wheels are seriously tiny, presumably for industrial production reasons.

It would be nice to find details about their production process, especially what they do with cream.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by atombender on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:01PM (#19019540)
I've bought BelGioioso a few times out of necessity (in places with no good supermarkets around that carry real parmesan). It's nothing like parmesan. It's not a bad cheese, just not parmesan. No signs of crystals anywhere, no depth of flavour. Their version of asiago is better, though still not great.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by coldtea on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:09PM (#19020156)
Nobody in Italy even cares about those contests (for one, they'd consider "ACS" a contradiction terms).
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by michrassena on Monday January 28, 2019 @01:52PM (#19020023)
As someone who buys and enjoys the Costco Parmiagiano-Reggiano (PR) and who has eaten both it and the green can version in the last couple of weeks, I think it's a shame that people would be misled into thinking the green can version is anything like Parmesan cheese. PR has rich umami flavor that as someone who grew up on the green can kind, I can only feel a bit ripped off by what I was missing all those years.

PDO can be problematic, especially when there is terroir which can only be used by a limited number of companies who are granted the mark. It's still a mark I look for, now that I know better. In many ways it acts the same as trademark, ensuring that the purchaser gets the real article. There's no reason to believe that the best example of a product comes with a PDO, but it is at least a very high minimum standard.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by crispyambulance on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:58AM (#19017858)
eh... 6 months is really stretching it!

Once it has been cut from the wheel, the usable life will be a few weeks maybe a couple months max if properly stored. While it may not mold, it will desiccate and become hard and waxy. You might not be able to tell if you're just grating it finely, but if you're cutting off slivers it will taste different when it's been sitting for too long in the fridge.

Local Italian and gourmet groceries sell it for about the same price as Costco. The advantage over Costco is that you get it cut from the wheel in whatever quantity you want, in front of you and you're not buying it as shrink-wrapped wedge.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by gerardnll on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:03AM (#19017905)
'...Once it has been cut from the wheel, the usable life will be a few weeks maybe a couple months max if properly stored. While it may not mold, ... '

Totally true. That's why, when I buy it, I eat a small piece everyday.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Angostura on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:19AM (#19018640)
Thats the main problem with having a really good piece of parmesan in the fridge - I eat it.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by Lucadg on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:43AM (#19018288)
Spot on. Always buy it just cut, when possible. It does make a difference in taste.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by LoSboccacc on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:34AM (#19018193)
real parmigiano doesn't have preservatives so it'll mold in a month after opening; grana padano usually does have and will last longer; both will become dry in time after opening.

in genera both tastes ok even when they dry out, albeit they gets saltier; if one eats cheese slowly, I'd suggest to get one relatively younger (i.e. 9 months) so as the flavor matures it doesn't get overly strong.

they both contain a lot of cholesterol and lot of calories, so I wouldn't call them miracle food, but they do have some nice properties, like they're some of the few cheeses that are suitable for lactose intolerant people (still not for lactose allergic people but ymmv) which makes them a good source of calcium.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by ceejayoz on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:39AM (#19018247)
> real parmigiano doesn't have preservatives

Salt is a preservative.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by reubeniv on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:49AM (#19018927)
does the PDO actually guarantee quality? It guarantees it's made in a particular region, and the case for it is that certain ingredients are only available in that region but, for example, I often buy own-brand 'Italian-style hard cheese', which is effectively the same, it's just made outside of Italy so can't share the name.

Call me cynical, DPOs seem abused and more about protecting regional industries as apposed to guaranteeing quality for consumers.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by AdmiralAsshat on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:02PM (#19019036)
Well, I suppose nothing can really guarantee quality--the requirements simply make it more difficult to screw up.

For instance, pulling from this article[0]:

>In the highly sanctioned world of Parmigiano-Reggiano, cows graze in pastures; their diet must consist of at least 75 percent local grass. Here in the United States, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) doesn’t mandate diet, and cows typically aren’t pastured; manufacturers reported using various feeds, including hay, corn, soybeans, and grains.

...

> Another factor: raw versus pasteurized milk. In Italy, Parmigiano-Reggiano is always made from raw milk. In the States, the milk is typically pasteurized first. This step kills off potentially dangerous organisms and yields a more consistent product. The downside? The heating process also kills off flavorful microorganisms.

...

>The aging step affects both flavor and texture. Once the wheels come out of the salt bath, they’re set on racks in climate-controlled rooms to age. As the cheese sits, lactic acid forms, and the acid causes proteins in the cheese to squeeze together, which in turn forces out moisture. Parmigiano-Reggianos are required to age for at least 12 months, though most are left for 24. Meanwhile, the FDA mandates a minimum of just 10 months for Parmesan. Thus, the domestic cheeses tended to be rubbery, while the imports were dry and crumbly.

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So again, you could make a hard cheese that follows none of the requirements but still tastes pretty good. You could also make a Parmigiano-Reggiano that tastes like crap. But if you follow all of the standards, you will more likely come alot closer to replicating the taste of what we associate with Parmigiano-Reggiano than a vat of hard cheese that some guy cooked up in his basement. The standards are specifically there to curtail the shortcuts (less aging, lower-quality ingredients) that unscrupulous companies try to sneak into their cheeses and market as premium, "aged" Parmesan.

[0]https://www.americastestkitchen.com/taste_tests/1695-superma...

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by iagovar on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:02PM (#19019044)
AFAIK it does. More than quality is the way they were made.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by droussel on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:36AM (#19018803)
We buy those wedges at Costco and they last us about 2 months haha! But we use the stuff everywhere: On pasta, on grilled asparagus, in risotto, etc. Everything's better with good Parmigiano!
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by LandR on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:01AM (#19018456)
I buy parmagiano-regianno and find it goes off and starts going moudly at the back (circular bit) after a couple of weeks.

Do you keep it in the fridge, wrapped, what?

How do you store it so it lasts so long?

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by crazygringo on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:10AM (#19018558)
Mine stays good for 6+ months in the fridge, I buy a big hunk. Moisture and mold control is essential though. There are five key things to do:

- Keep it in a sealed container, otherwise it'll dry out completely in a couple weeks and become inedible

- Put a single folded-up paper towel in the sealed container to absorb gradual amounts of moisture that come out. Otherwise condensation will form on the cheese and mold will grow quickly

- Replace the paper towel with a new one every 2 weeks (it'll be slightly damp)

- Keep the hunk solid (don't pre-cut) and always grate/shave from the "oldest" area. Mold only grows on the surface, so as long as you're using it once every week or two, the surface doesn't exist for too long, so zero mold

- Cut off the rind before any of this, since otherwise it would accumulate mold eventually. Save rinds in the freezer until you make minestrone or another appropriate soup, and cook with them -- they'll stay solid but the soup will absorb all the flavor from the rind, and then you fish it back out at the end

Maybe it sounds like a lot of work, but a $50 chunk can last half the year if you're using it by yourself every couple days for scrambled eggs, simple pastas, shavings on salads, and so on. It turns out to be a pretty affordable luxury.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by AdmiralAsshat on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:09AM (#19018541)
I have a "Foodsaver" (vacuum sealer) that I use with the block. I'll open the bag, cut off what I think I'll use either immediately or within the next few days, and then vacuum-seal the bag again.

Before I had that, I would usually wrap the cheese in a layer of wax paper, followed by a layer of foil, and put that in the freezer, taking it out as I needed it. Hard cheeses in the freezer will turn white and may no longer be useful to eat shards of on their own, but they're still fine for grating and melting.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by throwaway2048 on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:52AM (#19018953)
Cut the mold off, it wont kill you, its completely safe to do so with hard cheeses.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by HelloNurse on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:37PM (#19019318)
Or abrade the mold off. Don't be afraid to cut beyond the rind into the proper cheese: almost all of the surface of a piece of cheese is interior in any case and the rind is important for whole wheels aging on a shelf, not to preserve a wedge in the fridge for a few weeks.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by throw7 on Monday January 28, 2019 @11:46AM (#19018901)
I wrap my cheese in a lightly damp paper towel of white vinegar. I suppose that is probably sacrilege and passes on some vinegar taste, but I don't notice and it generally keeps the mold away.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by jeffwass on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:16PM (#19019139)
Question for the HC crowd :

Eat the rind or not?

I do, only after the rest is gone.

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by AdmiralAsshat on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:22PM (#19019189)
I don't eat it by itself. I put it in a ziplock bag and stash it in the freezer. Then I pull it out whenever I'm making a savory soup or stew and drop the rind in, usually to be fished out before serving (like a bay leaf). It adds great umami flavor to the dish.
Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by scotu on Monday January 28, 2019 @12:25PM (#19019213)
Save it. When you have enough for everybody at the table: GRILL IT, until the rind side gets charred and gets a crunchy thin layer and the cheese side gets kinda soft. Fork and knife, eat it until it's hot (don't burn yourself :D)

This is how my family does it :)

Re:Parmigiano-Reggiano: Italy's 'practically perfect' food by kbouck on Monday January 28, 2019 @02:51PM (#19020474)
You can add the rind to minestrone.